BY: GEORGE A. SMITH
Jan 14, 2013 — CALIFORNIA, USA — One of the things that the anti-Rtviks fail to mention and something that Puranjana notices and that I’ve even seen Rocana dasa sweat about, firstly when one of my submitted article (which he did not want to publish at the time but said that he would publish later – I still haven’t seen it) caught him off guard and just “winging it” is the alternative to Rtvik initiations, which is exactly what?
Even the anti-Rtviks except for the institutionalized ones agree that the rubber stamped ISKCON gurus are not the kinds of gurus that one with any intelligence or knowledge of the institution’s track record should take shelter of, so that leave what?
In the article about the Rtviks that I gave the title to in my previous post, MORE IRRESPONSIBLE MAD MEN — By George A. Smith which Rocana dasa probably considered to be a lead up to a recommendation of him to fill the post of guru, Srila Prabhupada’s answer or “answers rather” on who besides a pure devotee of Krsna can give diksa or give formal initiation.
One thing that the article does not point out because Srila Prabhupada, in the quotes from his writings that I included, points it out himself is though the answers are given on who can give initiation besides a pure devotee of Krsna, to either give or to accept initiation in accordance with the permissions that are offered goes against Srila Prabhupada’s recommendation, which are that only a pure devotee of Krsna or uttama-adhikari should give initiation and one should only accept initiation from such a person.
Line um up Rocana, or all you other anti-rtviks, they won’t and it’s exactly for the reason that Puranjana says (even a stopped clock tells the time truthfully twice a day), they won’t because they can’t. All that they can offer you instead is themselves, the alternatives that my article brings up to mention, all of those flawed individuals who are so foolish as to recommend themselves or their friends as being acceptable for you to take initiation from, against Srila Prabhupada’s recommendations.
One of the other things that my article brings up is the interesting fact that one does not need to accept formal initiation in order to make spiritual advancement. In fact one can make spiritual advancement up all the way to the middle level (at least) of devotional service without accepting formal initiation as the article shows and supports with Srila Prabhupada’s words in support of its conclusions.
Although this third allowance, which is that one may make spiritual advancement without accepting initiation is not explicitly stated it is so obviously implicit that had the Zonals been at all serious about attaining to real spiritual qualification before accepting disciples there is a good probability that the society would have gotten serious and that you would have quite a selection of pure devotees to choose from now, but it didn’t, and it’s still not and the Ritviks are proposing something that will interfere with the process of making spiritual advancement just how?
By going against Srila Prabhupada’s recommendation? But it isn’t.
By going against Srila Prabhupada’s recommendation that one should only accept initiation from a pure devotee of the Lord. It doesn’t tell you that. Just the opposite in fact, it tells you exactly that one should do that, so there are only two questions left to be answered. The first comes first and it is whether or not initiation after the fact of physical disappearance is a viable alternative, and the second is to my mind a bit different than the Rtviks formulate it.
The answer to the first question as to whether or not one can become an actual disciple of a guru who is no longer physically present is a resounding yes, because Srila Prabhupada has told us this himself in these words:
Srila Prabhupada: I don’t follow.
Tamala Krishna: Can a Christian in this age, without a Spiritual Master, but by reading the Bible, and following Jesus”s words, reach the…
Srila Prabhupada: When you read the Bible, you follow the Spiritual Master. How can you say without. As soon as you read the Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ. That means that you are following the Spiritual Master. So where is the opportunity of being without Spiritual Master?
Madhudvisa: I WAS REFERRING TO A LIVING SPIRITUAL MASTER
Srila Prabhupada: SPIRITUAL MASTER IS NOT QUESTION OF … SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL…so your question is, “without Spiritual Master”. Without Spiritual Master you cannot be at any stage of your life. You may accept this Spiritual master or that Spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that, “by reading Bible”, when you read Bible that means you are following the Spiritual Master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ.
(SP Morning Walk, Seattle, 2/10/68)
The point of this first question has already been conceded by such stalwart anti-Rtviks as Rocana himself. Albeit very sullenly and being rather sectarian he did not want to see the connect but preferred to think that this bit of guru-tattva was applicable to the Christians only. But the Sun is the Sun and if it works and although it may not be so traditional a practice among the peoples of the East since before even the time of the Christians it is a practice that is traditional to our native stock.
Please note that as Christian history clearly shows this practice can be perverted and abused to among other things preach exclusivity and institutionalize intolerance to such a degree that anyone disagreeing with it could be put to death.
In the Christian formula above because there is no recognition of the potential for anyone else ever coming up to the level of a pure devotee or becoming Christ “like” or equally salvific, no provisions are made for anyone else ever to conduct imitations upon their own behalf within the main stream Christian Religions, will the Rtviks also be like this?
The second question then is whether the Rtvik formula can co-exist peaceably with the more traditional practice, both now and in the future.
George A. Smith