His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupad warned about demons and mundane people getting into ISKCON and messing things up.
His solution was that they were not allowed to get in or take any responsible position. Unfortunately, as the historical record shows, demonic and mundane people “are still in positions of public trust”. The problem now is that many of them have disciples, along with the support and protection of the GBC. One of the most striking weaknesses of ISKCON is the complete lack of functioning judicial and justice departments. Many religious organization around the world, such as the Catholic Church, ISLAM, Baptists, etc.,have judicial and justice branches, where crimes or offenses are clearly defined with procedures to keep the organization as pure as possible. In ISKCON both judicial and justice functions are carried out by the “inner circle”, which leaves the plaintiff with no recourse in justice.
Radhanath and Kirtanananda
Portnoy: Is the topic here Radhanath and child molestation? Radhanath never molested any kid but for years and years he stood around kissing Kirtanananda’s ass while my children were being raped in the gurukulas there. I was living in L.A. at the time but my wife decided to move to New Vrindaban because she got it in her head that “Bhaktipada” was a pure devotee. As far as I’m concerned Radhanath was guilty of apathy then and he’s guilty now of not being honest about his sordid past at New Vrindaban. He whitewashes the whole thing with some bullshit statement like, “as soon as I saw that K Swami was breaking the regulative principles I distanced myself.” Bullshit. Why the bullshit? If I can be honest about all my crap then I expect the same for my godbrothers. I joined ISKCON years before Radhanath and I watched him on my radar screen from the start. He’s a nice enough guy but he’s a phony baloney. I say put your cards on the table and forget about your reputation as Mr. Wonderful Story Teller Palms Folded Soft Spoken Humble guru. It’s an Oscar winning act – that’s for sure. I’m so disgusted I could puke. There — I puked. Now I feel much better. Oh — and let’s not even broach the subject of who was behind the murder of Sulocana. I know who they all were. Do you?
Kula Pavana: The only reason Radhanatha and Devamrita swamis did not go to jail was that they cut a deal with the Feds because they were deeply involved in K-swamis shenanigans. Devamrita very likely worked for CIA earlier, when travelling behind the Iron Curtain. I knew him in those days very well.
If anybody sexually abused my kids they would have taken a bullet in the groin from my rifle… sannyasi or not. Criminals must be punished, or their criminality only increases.
Portnoy: Sri Galim and Manihara!!!!! Neither of these bastards spent a day in jail. They aren’t even human beings. In fact — they aren’t even animals because animals don’t even behave like that. They’re some kind of demons from hell and they still walk free because they committed their atrocities in an atmosphere that tolerated pieces of shit like them. They were schoolteachers for crying out loud. Schoolteachers!!! But at the time the only thing that was important was bringing in money from smuggling hashish and hash oil so that a palace could be built. Kirtananda supposedly wanted Prabhupada to be the King but in reality he just wanted to be the Queen. You know — when you subtract love and trust and take Krishna and Prabhupada away from the center of an organization like ISKCON it can rapidly decline into a fascist cult.
Karapurnam: The problem with putting pedofiles in jail is that they are not cured. The current reality is that nearly all pedofiles re-offend after they get out. Now they have lists of sex offenders posted all over the place, so that parents can see where the government has fixed them up in housing close to schools, etc. There is little chance anyone in ISKCON is going to post a list of known sex offenders! As mentioned above, the CPS is a smoke screen scam invented to create more jobs. I have visited many current day ISKCON temples and see child abuse [and others] in many forms happening, even during the Sunday Feast, when the Society is on display to the public. As a matter of fact, I know from my own research into child abuse that some of the local CPS people are abusers in disguise. The reason so many re-offending criminals are on the street is due to the false bodily concept of only having one life. Better that murderers, rapists and pedofiles get the death sentence within a few months of conviction. And, if they are found in a spiritual organization, they must be dragged out, beaten senseless and left on the pavement! Such individuals are easy to recognize when they try to get back in at a different location.
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Shrila Prabhupad warned about demons and mundane people getting into ISKCON and messing things up. His solution was that they were not allowed to get in or take any responsible position. Unfortunately, as the historical record shows, demonic and mundane people “are still in positions of public trust”. The problem now is that many of them have disciples, along with the support and protection of the GBC. One of the most striking weaknesses of ISKCON is the complete lack of functioning judicial and justice departments. Many religious organization around the world, such as the Catholic Church, ISLAM, Baptists, etc.,have judicial and justice branches, where crimes or offenses are clearly defined with procedures to keep the organization as pure as possible. In ISKCON both judicial and justice functions are carried out by the “inner circle”, which leaves the plaintiff with no recourse in justice.
Not much can be done now to “purify” ISKCON because the gates remain wide open for anyone to come in who wins the favor of a leader. The standards of admission have decayed to the point where the society is incapable of protecting or purifying itself. Sad to say, ISKCON is deep into the process of spiritual death and rebirth as a mundane religious institution.
My suggestion to anyone in ISKCON who is able to see the spreading corruption that has become institutionalized, is that they get out as soon as possible. Once out, the mind clears up, the offenses of the leaders and blind followers are no longer passed around by association, and one can take measures to make sure their children are not exposed to the CPS people and their administrative smoke and mirror tricks. One also gets free of the endless contentious debate that never seems to be resolved, because, to resolve such debate, would mean that droves of corrupt leaders would have to voluntarily abdicate their comfortable positions.
Of course, there may be many who do not like to hear any criticism of ISKCON! When that happens, a big problem appears as this. How can ISKCON be above criticism when the historical record is rife with child and woman abuse, misuse of public money, disobedience of core teachings of the Founder Acharya, and, above all, a deeply rooted resentment of all criticism coupled with an equal determination to refuse any and all good advice? In terms of modern day management, law and psychology, ISKCON is deeply dysfunctional, resistive to reformation and headed down the same path as so many other religious institutions that eventually became ineffectual.
What is the purpose of endless debate about CPS, the purity of this Guru or that, GBC, past history, etc., when there is no structured venue for the redress of grievances? Actually, what is the use of Pariprashnena [Powered by ISKCON Tech] in these matters, other than a forum for the disgruntled to blow steam off and practice the latest “posture”? Do the GBC, Gurus and Temple Presidents read here to see what “the people” think? I don’t think so. Better this forum keep to answering simple questions than attempt to resolve issues that the leaders have no intention of ever resolving.
However, let the historical record be repeated yet again and again………[now in its 33rd year since his departure]…………so many forums will continue to engage in debate that cannot be resolved by the participants within the organization, or those outside who have a “thing” with the organization. At some point, some will wake up and get out, and that is where the movement spreads.
Kula-pavana: I disagree that such forums serve only to blow off steam. Many people who read or particpate in these debates actually learn something valuable from them. It is all about real life versus idealistic and theoretical view of Gaudiya Vaishnavism and devotional life. Many devotees change their views and become more mature in their understanding thanks to such discussions.
Yes, there is no structured venue for the redress of grievances in Iskcon when such grievances relate to the GBC’s performance. In the past devotees could appeal directly to Srila Prabhupada. Today, unless you are already a GBC, the GBC is totally beyond reproach. They only change when they want to change. Good old Boys Club… that is what it boils down to.