June 9 2012, USA, PADA: We are glad that Rocana prabhu (Sampradaya Sun) is trying to take the high road in regards to “promoting molesters.” There are a few problems however: Rocana has been promoting the GBC’s gurus, for example by saying all along since 1977 that some of them (like Bhakti Marga swami) are “diksha gurus.” And Rocana’s “diksha guru program” in turn promotes — that Lord Krishna’s gurus (aka God’s messiahs) — are often found “engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children.” I hope this is not Rocana’s higher moral ideal? … that God’s messiahs are often caught engaged in illicit sex, … the main theme of his “diksha guru’s” lineage?
ROCANA DASA: Our ISKCON gurus have to humbly admit, “I’m not as advanced as Srila Prabhupada, and here’s the philosophical explanation of “how and why.” That doesn’t mean they (the GBC gurus) can’t be diksa gurus.
PADA: Sorry to report this but, the bogus GBC “guru” group is promoting a process that Krishna’s guru successors (aka God’s messiahs) are often falling into illicit sex. Indeed, in some cases their “gurus” are even having illicit sex with children, but according to Rocana, that does not mean they (as a group) are not qualified to be bona fide diksha guru messiahs? Supporting, indeed violently enforcing, the worship of illicit sex does not disqualify one from being GOD’s successor / acharya / messiah? Where is this stated in shastra? Doesn’t Rocana know that his GBC’s diksha guru policy of violently enforcing molesters as gurus has lead to — mass molesting in ISKCON? Of course Naara Narayana dasa (NNV) is another person who says the molester messiahs program is “the golden body of ISKCON.”
Rocana has never explained why he supports some (or any) of the GBC’s gurus and their idea — that gurus are often debauchees and molesters? At least the Prabhupadanugas, whatever other faults they may have, they do not promote that members of an illicit sex guru’s club either are, were, or could have been — God’s messiahs as Rocana’s gurus are doing all along since 1977?
Rocana also regularly posts “promotional letters” from GBC’s guru lineage’s defenders like Dayarama dasa, who is a huge supporter of the worship of the GBC’s illicit sex gurus program. Oddly, Dayarama dasa sometimes agrees with us Prabhupadanugas and admits that his (and Rocana’s) “diksha guru” system is corrupt. Again, no explanation is ever given by either Dayarama or his main publisher — promoter Rocana dasa, how can messiahs be corrupt, deviants and even molesters? Rocana could not even dabate with a ten year old Christian child on this issue, every Christian child knows that the messiah is never a debauchee, and supporters of debauchee guru systems are also bogus.
Meanwhile, Rocana refuses to allow us to counter these GBC guru promoting letters. In other words, his site is biased towards the GBC’s bogus (and child molester) guru system. Rocana also promotes the main GBC guru’s idea, that we cannot worship “a departed guru” like Jesus or Srila Prabhupada now because they are “posthumous gurus.” How did you guess, that means you have to worship members of the molester messiahs program instead, the policy all along since 1977. And this is the main theme of Ravindra Swarupa and other GBC gurus, who were part of Rocana’s 1986 “guru reform.” Ravindra incidently supports Jayadvaita, the person who says gurus engage in illicit sex (and NNV’s brother Makhanlal is now joined at the hip with that lineage).
Then again Rocana has never explained his 1986 “guru reform” idea, i.e. what is a “reformed” acharya? And Rocana apparently misses the point: that his alleged diksha guru program is still failing all the time, yep sometimes with young female prostitutes in Thailand. Ooops, that means while dubious folks like TDD are getting caught with prostitutes in Thailand — and we admit that is really bad, so are Rocana’s messiahs getting caught with prostitutes, difference being:
We do not consider TDD to be another messiah whereas Rocana’s program thinks these prostitute hunters are their messiahs?
Rocana’s ideas are of course identical to what the bogus GBC’s gurus promote. And Rocana promotes other GBC clones like KAILASHA CHANDRA, who has written position papers to defend the GBC guru’s process, as was admitted by Trivrikrama swami. In other words, Rocana has been a defender of the GBC’s guru system, which is: The worship of illicit sex, sometimes even with children, as messiahs. No surprise then that Sri Mukunda, aka Mike Sandoval, has joined forces with Rocana’s worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as the next “chain of messiahs” program. So Sri Mukunda is now writing to help and assist the direct or de facto promoters of the child molester messiahs lineage.
That means Sri Mukunda has simply become another cheer leading supporter of the worship of the GBC’s and Rocana’s “molester messiahs and diksha gurus” lineage program, so he aids, abets and supports a web site that promotes the GBC’s molester guru system. At least Sri Mukunda has become honest enough to admit he promotes the process of deviants who are saying child molesters are in their “diksha” line of gurus and messiahs. Its about time he reveals his real love for the worship of child molesters as his messiahs program. He has tried to cover up his love for the worship of sexual deviants and perverts for many years now, but the truth has prevailed. We are actually glad this has come out.
As for Tattva Darshan Dasa (TDD), I would agree he should NOT have been “bailed out of jail” after his being arrested in Cambodia in 2008. In other words no one should have had sympathy for TDD and he should have just been allowed to “rot in jail.” That was my position all along. That means, at least from my point of view, he should have been considered as personna non grata and not be allowed back into the devotee society, except maybe as a well monitored part-time guest.
Yet we keep finding TDD and other “devotees” (and ISKCON gurus?) in places like Bangkok, Thailand, Cambodia and so forth. Why is Rocana any better than anyone else since his (and now Sri Mukunda’s) GBC messiah’s / diksha guru program members are also out there also trying to find illicit sex with young women in places like Thailand, making them at least equally deviant as TDD? Why is Sri Mukunda now supporting people whose messiah lineage members are chasing young women prostitutes in Thailand for sex? At least TDD does not worship sex with prostitutes as his diksha guru messiahs lineage, like Rocana and Sri Mukunda’s site has been doing?
One of the Rocana lineage “sum total of all demigods” gurus named Prabhavishnu swami was just caught there. Rocana never explains: How can any of these prostitute hunting people, or their supporters like Bhakti Marga swami, be diksha gurus? TDD is a creepy fellow, no question, but at least he does not worship illicit sex with young women prostitutes as his messiahs lineage, or promote that lineage as diksha gurus the way Rocana and his newfound ally Sri Mukunda are doing? We are not at all surprised that Sri Mukunda has fully surrendered to the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as Jesus-like messiahs program, he is associated with them all day long on Watseka — where he goes to eat hand outs from them. Now he has become their top writer, what else should we expect?
Anyway, getting back to the TDD story, his friend Mahasringha dasa came to Cambodia to help bail him out of jail. I think that TDD was up to that point mainly an ISKCON GBC type of person who was doing business with Abhirama dasa (Vrndavana) and others. At least Abhirama’s wife says that is the case, that TDD was an “inside ISKCON” man. At the same time, people like Mahasringha have often sided with Rocana, and he has often been critical of PADA, and of the Bangalore program. And he stays at ISKCON temples all the time, even up to now. I really do not consider him to be a full fledged ritvik. I am not really sure why he wanted to bail out TDD, but one thing is for sure, I was never consulted by anyone in regards to approving of that action or not. I rarely get any messages from any of these folks in India, period.
I do agree however that we all need to back away from being “in sympathy with” molesters or de facto molesters, or even having shadow attachment for them. There is at the present time, in the minds of most devotees at least, basically zero tolerance for molesters of any type. And I think this has to be the actual system and policy since the “devotee” society quite evidently cannot safely “monitor” these people. And yes, there is the perception that there is a good ole boys system of papering over these types of huge faults by saying “he did so much service” (so he is going to be defended). This has to stop. I agree.
The main problem overall that I see developing from all this is: Rocana wants the public to see the Krishna religion as: (a) The GBC side, which is “associated to and connected with” aiding molesters, and (b) the so-called ritviks, who Rocana says are “associated” and connected to aiding molesters, so then no one will join any camp of the Hare Krishna religion. That seems to be the Rocana plan. OK we still have: (c) the Gaudiya Matha’s camp, who were the main supporters of the 1936 homosexual guru, and post-1977 molester gurus camp, which is probably why people like Rocana, Sri Mukunda and NNV have been writing to them against the ritviks to boost the Gaudiya Matha, the supporters of the worship of homosexuals and molesters as messiahs after 1936. Yep, lets help them out. Ooops, according to NNV they may have had a role in the poison issue, even more reason to boost them up?
Thus, when people like Rocana, Sri Mukunda and Naara Narayana dasa (NNV) preach to ISKCON’s Watseka Ave “GBC guru followers” that the ritviks are all bad, all they are doing in giving ammunition to the supporters of the molester messiahs program there. They are not building an independent Srila Prabhupada preaching program, nor are they even trying to. Not sure how that helps anything? The fact that these people are arming the bogus guru followers with ammunition means, they were never serious about preaching there in the first place, they are mainly in sentiment with the bogus gurus program.
And so now we find these fellows writing to the Gaudiya Matha folks, or Sri Mukunda telling Ekayani (Gopal Krishna’s ex) she is on the right track (she writes all kinds of offensive things about Krishna devotees), and so on. As a matter of interest, many of the complaints from BIF are the same complaints from Ekayani types, thus Sri Mukunda applauds her writings and Rocana applauds all of the above thereby. Oddly, Rocana says he is against the BIF style of writings, but he is for the people who applaud BIF style writings, and he promotes them on his site?
However, all these are good life learning lessons, and one of them is: We need to make a clear-cut policy on molesters and how they should be handled. I am in favor of saying: they should not be allowed back into the society except under strictly supervised conditions to temporarily visit temples, not to live there, and not to be given posts of authority. The other good lesson is that when the people who attack the ritviks have to surrender to the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs program for help, its good because it clears the air about where they are standing all along, they are in sympathy with the molester messiahs program, as Rocana clearly is. Yep, as creepy and as bad as TDD is, or even some mass murderers in prison, they would never agree with Rocana and his new bucket boy Sri Mukunda that the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children are a line of “diksha gurus from Vaikuntha.” Even the lowest of the lowest would never stoop as low as these fellows. ys pd