IRM: An ISKCON guru confesses all!

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Inside the guru hoax meltdown: An ISKCON guru confesses all!

BackTo Prabhupada, Issue 29: When an artificial guru system is concocted, based not on spiritual principles, but rather on the pursuit and expansion of power, infighting and chaos will automatically result.
When one disobeys the orders of the bona fide spiritual master by usurping his position, disciples, assets and worship, only failure, chaos and deviation will result as Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly warned us:

“Our mission is to serve (…) Not that you take the place of the guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru – gurusu nara matih. That is the material disease.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, April 20th,1977)

“And as soon as he learns the Guru Maharaja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, August 16th,1976)

As proof that Srila Prabhupada’s warnings above are applicable to ISKCON’s current unauthorised GBC elected guru hoaxer system, below we present ample evidence from one of ISKCON’s own current GBC voted in gurus, HH Mahavishnu Swami (“MVS”). In letters MVS wrote to the GBC and others, he offers an insight into the guru hoax meltdown, and also reveals his own personal meltdown in trying to pose as a successor guru to Srila Prabhupada.
The extracts in the tinted panels below, unless otherwise specified, are from letters written by MVS.

ISKCON compared to the great anti-Krishna demon Kamsa
Part 1

“I know there are the “guru fall down and boiling down the milk” counter arguments to the above and maybe this dialectic will just go on forever even as ISKCON dries up as it becomes more and more a heavy-handed Kamsa-ised organised religion smothering spontaneous devotional creepers right and left.”

ISKCON compared to the great anti-Krishna demon Kamsa
Part 2

“So did he (Srila Prabhupada) really later on want us to put a brake on expanding to “at least maintain” what he gave us? Excuse me please but I feel that with this mental laxitude step by step ISKCON will just get more “Kamsa-ised” into yet another defunct organised religion bogged down in its own politics trying (very sincerely, of course), to just “at least maintain”.

Fallen, frustrated and castrated ISKCON gurus

“…in UK (for instance) the ISKCON Managing Council or its sub-committee (presumably understandably acting in a controlling reactive protective mood after so many of its own past UK local initiating guru falldowns) has set up initiation standards and procedures without even inviting input from all the ISKCON Diksa Gurus who initiate disciples in the UK thus making unrealistic standards and procedures which foster bad feelings both from aspiring candidates and from frustrated (castrated?) visiting and resident gurus.”

Unaccountable GBC gurus and GBC spies

“..the GBC authority credibility is being undermined because ISKCON’s published Law Book Initiation standards are being openly flouted as they are being either made locally more restrictive and discouraging (as in the case of UK standards), or being adjusted according to time and circumstances by unaccountable GBC Gurus or ISKCON gurus “out of GBC range” of GBC spies.”

Unwilling guru apologists

“In the early days in expanding ISKCON Srila Prabhupada was very personal and lenient but in UK for instance I have heard complaints from my fellow-ISKCON gurus that the institutional standards set by ISKCON UK are off-putting straight jackets for aspirants seeking personal shelter. The gurus themselves find themselves having to unwillingly become apologists for ISKCON’s rigid impersonal policies.”

Disunity and fragmentation

“If ISKCON instituted kamsa-blanket centralised initiation standards are imposed on a zone by its big established temples then budding devotional communities will prefer to develop legally outside of ISKCON’s legal jurisdiction creating the disunity and fragmentation of ISKCON, (as in Brighton, UK).”

ISKCON has no trust of its voted in gurus

“It even seems that the ISKCON “establishment” has no trust of gurus and that is also not so surprising because of ISKCON gurus track records in the past.”

In all the preceding entries, MVS details the power struggle going on between the elected gurus and ISKCON’s management authorities, and the resultant chaos and breakdown. His criticisms are more harsh than whatever has been on the pages of BTP, as he compared ISKCON to the demon Kamsa.
Below, MVS turns his attention to his own personal failings as a GBC elected guru:

Misguiding devotees

“I want to apologise for my seriously having misguided the devotees on this year’s East African Festival Tour (23rd January – 22nd February 2008) […] So I am feeling very ashamed and regretful that I caused this to happen. l was not fit as the spiritual mentor of the Festival team. It is now obvious that my hippiesh upbringing’s attitudes are still not cleansed from my heart. So I need to rectify my standard of devotional service at all costs.”

Losing the faith of “disciples”

“I feel the need to apologise to you both for dealing inconsiderately and pushing your tolerance so much that you lost faith in me as your spiritual master and ISKCON. I was not concerned enough about your welfare to act appropriately.”

Unable to look after “disciples”

“I can also hardly look after my about 100 disciples properly […] So I do not want to be an embarrassment may consider visiting Russia again provided I am invited and I am allowed to collect donations. But I doubt if that will ever happen. Even if it did I will be frightened of getting committed to having more Russian disciples.”

A bona fide and authorised spiritual master, by definition, can never mislead or give wrong advice and thus hinder a soul’s journey back to Godhead:
“According to sastra, the duty of the guru is to take the disciple back home, back to Godhead. If he is unable to do so and instead hinders the disciple in going back to Godhead, he should not be a guru.”
(Srimad Bhagavatam 8.20.1, purport)

Yet, in the entries above, MVS apologises for doing just that!

Chastised by juniors

Below, MVS also reveals that he was chastised for his misbehaviour by two devotees.

“He rightfully complained to our ISKCON authorities in UK that an ISKCON sannyasi had done such a thing. Kripamoya and Praghosa Prabhus in the UK brought me to task and I began to realise the negligence and foolishness of my actions.

Then after further realisation and regret and on their advice, I sent a marriage annulment letter to the parties concerned. I stated in that letter that as the couple were not unmarried the marriage I had conducted was not authorised morally or legally and therefore it was being annulled by me.”

At the time of going to press, neither of the two devotees mentioned are, unlike MVS, “gurus” or sannyasis (renunciants), and are therefore, according to ISKCON, MVS’s spiritual juniors.

So not only is MVS acting, on his own admission, without moral or legal authority, but he had to be chastised by two juniors before he realised his bogus actions! Clearly, he cannot be an empowered bona fide Vaishnava guru since a bona fide guru can never be disciplined, counselled or corrected:
“It is an offense to consider an empowered Vaisnava an object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him advice or to correct him.”
(Nectar of Instruction, Text 7, purport)
We have copiously documented, in several issues of BTP, the philosophical U-turns and climbdowns by ISKCON’s GBC and gurus and their lip service to the IRM’s program of promoting Srila Prabhupada as the real guru of ISKCON. Now, in addition to all the above, MVS also decides to join the “agree with the IRM” program:

Srila Prabhupada is the real guru, not me

“I may have given you diksa but our pre-eminent siksa guru is of course Srila Prabhupada not me. He is still fully living in his instructions. You must take advantage of them and become his emissary.”

Here MVS admits that Srila Prabhupada and not he, is giving siksha (spiritual instruction). MVS claims that he himself is giving diksha (spiritual initiation), but even this claim is bogus as the GBC itself agrees with the IRM that siksha is the “principal active ingredient of diksa”:

“Such uplifting knowledge is called divya jnana, and its transmission is called siksa.This divya jnana is the principal active ingredient of diksa.”
(GBC Resolution No.404, 1999)

And MVS admits he is not supplying this “principal active ingredient of diksa”.
Thus, Srila Prabhupada is the only diksha or initiating guru in ISKCON, not MVS or anyone else – something he and the GBC should have realised by now after singing every day for the past 30 years or more to Srila Prabhupada during the Guru-puja prayers that he is the one delivering this “divya-jnana”!
Further confirming the IRM’s “ritvik” position that the guru (Srila Prabhupada) does not need to physically meet disciples to initiate them, MVS admits in another letter:

“Srila Prabhupada had disciples who he had never seen physically.”

But still wants to play guru

Of course, the desire to be worshipped as good as God in imitation of the fully authorised and bona fide guru Srila Prabhupada, is just too strong to resist:

“My Vyasa Puja 2010 went off quite well. Late last night 11/2/10 in Hotel Amical, Bunia, DR Congo. Had short talks, my foot washing & guru puja and arati & pioneering feast prepared of imported Egyptian full cream milk & imported Italian spaghetti.”
(MVS SMS text, February 12th, 2010)

“I personally have a niyamag-raha trait and try and go strictly by the ISKCON Lawbook and the prevailing local initiation standards for fear of getting censored and defrocked so I really want a more flexible straightjacket to live in as a dreaded naughty-boy ISKCON Initiating guru.”

Conclusion

Thus, in addition to ISKCON’s “guru wars” documented in previous Back To Prabhupada issues, we now see that “Guru GBC” wars can be added to the power struggles going an in ISKCON.

Previously, in BTP 14, we published the equally stunning revelations of ISKCON GBC guru and Sannyasa Minister HH Prahladananda Swami in our article, “ISKCON guru exposes his own guru system”. And in BTP 20, we quoted yet another GBC member, Badrinarayan Das, stating:
“Having gurus crash and burn every few years is the main cause of ISKCON’s diminished reputation and strength and I don’t see what we have put in place to break this pattern.”

It seems as if ISKCON’s GBC and voted-in gurus can’t help but condemn the bogus system they themselves have invented; and yet the desire to replace Srila Prabhupada is so irresistible that even though they now agree in theory with the IRM’s invincible philosophical position, they will still keep the practice of their unauthorised guru system and attendant worship intact! Srila Prabhupada speaks of this tendency as follows:

“That is the difficulty. Everyone sees that, “Some way or other, I become guru. Then so many persons will offer me respect. Somehow or other, create some situation. Then I become guru. […] This is going on. Not bona fide guru. […] Somehow or other become popular and become guru. This is going on.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 2nd, 1976)

It is clear that the GBC’s guru hoax system is facing serious meltdown, and we hope it is now only a question of when, not if, they adopt the IRM’s position and at last reinstate Srila Prabhupada as ISKCON’s only diksha guru.

Comments

  1. “He rightfully complained to our ISKCON authorities in UK that an ISKCON sannyasi had done such a thing. Kripamoya and Praghosa Prabhus in the UK brought me to task and I began to realise the negligence and foolishness of my actions.
    Then after further realisation and regret and on their advice, I sent a marriage annulment letter to the parties concerned. I stated in that letter that as the couple were not unmarried the marriage I had conducted was not authorised morally or legally and therefore it was being annulled by me.”

    This above quote from BTP 29 confirms a letter received 3/1/09 [see below]. When I received this letter I had some doubts as to its validity as the contents seemed so unbelievable.
    Just see the devastation these fools create.

    On Sun, 3/1/09, P.G. wrote:

    From: P.G.
    Subject: Hare Krishna
    To: zzz@yahoo.com
    Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 1:00 PM

    hare krishna
    Dear Prabhu i would like to ask you for your help to find me the the emails of every GBC in europe as I have writen an email with some of my concerns which I am forwarding to you(its very personal)and I also would Like to send it to all GBCs in europe .I would be more than thankful if you could send me a list of GBCs emails addresses.

    hare krishna
    Dear devotees and maharajas to which this email will be sent to.
    Please accept my humble respects to you and all the vaishnavas.
    My name is Premananda Sukhy Dasa I am a Brazilian national and I first took my first and only initiation in 1999 after a long term relation with the Hare Krishna movement and with my dear guru mahaja HH Param Gati Swami .( Its important to remark that my opinions reflect my individual mind and therefore should not be compared or taken as if I am writing on my Gurus behalf)
    Ever since then I have served and lived in few temples in Brazil and also in Lisbon /Portugal in the year of 2002 .I currently live in London/UK where I work as full time teacher , I am also known to most of the regulars and residents devotees of our Dear Soho temple where Radha-london-isvara resides

    First of all I would like to apologize for the lack of language skills but the message that I would like to deliver has very little to do with language skills or erudition.(so if the message does not come clear , I would be happy to explain to anyone with a genuine concern)

    The story line and the issues i want to raise goes as such Few weeks ago a group of devotees from London , Europe and other countries went to a trip mission to Africa under the guidance of H.H Mahavishnu Swami for whom I know very little and for whom I have great respect for. my wife ( Radhika Maharani DD) who was also invited by some devotees to this trip , also went to Africa with them . Me and Radhika Majarani DD got married in London in 2002 and in 2004 our son Ishtan Dasa was born .

    Its true to say that things between me and her in the last year or so was not that good and therefore we both amicably decided to not be together anymore and have a break to try to work things out as much as possible we could and to have a good and decent relation with each other but we never got divorced nor did we move out from our homes though .It was for two main reasons which are :

    first is that I live in the UK under the visa of a husband of someone who is a European national(she is European) and divorcing would result in beaurocratic complications and the second and if not the most important of the two main reasons was that things were never really clear whether it would be definitive or not to divorce as we were never sure if one day , sooner or later we would be together again as we still lived together (me, her and our son) till the very last day before she went to Africa , and as anyone else in this material world we tried to solve the problems which we both lived under .

    At first when she decided to go to Africa was I was the first person to encourage her to go as it would have been a great experience(as i believe it were) and also that it would be good for both of us to have a break from each other.(a break from routine life at home)I took some time off and went to Israel/Palestine for 10 days ,during my trip I had the great pleasure to visit Tel aviv temple on bhaktisidhanta saraswati takur depapearence day ,where all the devotees(most Russians) were very warm and welcome and where the prasadam was just amazing (thank you so much).I made my way back to London on Feb.15th and since that day I only hear from my wife only once which was 2 days ago when she came back to London.For my surprise she never came back home was it would have been the normal and the expected . I phoned her few times till I could get hold of her later that night where we had a short conversation and where she told me that she was not going to comeback home.After i put the phone down i went to the place where she was and for my surprise again i found her in a room where a devotee Rukmini Dasa was and wouldn’t leave the room ,obviously it was not my house therefore I had no choice to only speak with her in front of him (which at the beginning was not a big deal) but the most striking for me was when I saw a finger ring (gold type) in one of her finger and I asked her what that was for or if she was engaged with someone , her reply was ” yeah , I got married” shocked and perplexed I could not believe if was a joke or not(and I still cannot figure that out )after few moments of surreal explanations and despair I left and rode my bike back home where I had a hard time concentrating , sleeping, eating or rationally thinking .

    With Krishnas mercy all will be good!!! but I managed to calm down on my feelings and even though I find myself very sad and depressed I could organize some my thoughts in a logical order where I raise some serious questions up about Vaishnava ethical practice and if any of you could help me to understand to solve these questions I am more than glad to accept any good and decent explanations based on the Vedas.although I just would like to clarify that this has very little to do with her(Radhika Maharani DD) happiness and I also would like to express that if that is really what she wants and believe to be the best for her ,(although I dont believe that she is acting rationally)I then shall wish all the happiness and blessings that Krishna can give to someone who wants to live a married life in Krishna consciousness.First in order to construct my first question you must acknowledge few things in a certain order:

    Radhika Maharani DD although an excellent devotee of the Lord is very new in Krishna consciousness and therefore very naive in many ways , this does not reflect on her intelligence which I would consider under normal circumstances very high and sharp.she was initiated less than a year ago during Param Gati swami vyasa puja in Lisbon in 2008 (again it also does not inflict whether in anyhow on questioning his seriousness and qualifications)
    another important and if not the most serious question to point out is that H.H Mahavishnu Swami who knew absolutely NOTHING about Radhika M DD , not even her name before she went to Africa or what to say about her personal life could married her in a fire ceremony in Africa only few days after he met her and without the consentment or/and blessings of her guru? I personally (based on my own experience and with a good sense of reality) find it totally out of order.(i honestly wish and I pray that I am wrong).specially coming from someone with such great reputation . Here is my question: as he knew NOTHING at all about her (or only what she might have told him which is still not enough to take such action) and as its said on

    Srimad Bhagavatam 5.26.8 ”My dear King, a person who appropriates another’s legitimate wife, children or money is arrested at the time of death by the fierce Yamadutas, who bind him with the rope of time and forcibly throw him into the hellish planet known as Tamisra On this very dark planet, the sinful man is chastised by the Yamadutas, who beat and rebuke him. He is starved, and he is given no water to drink. Thus the wrathful assistants of Yamaraja cause him severe suffering, and sometimes he faints from their chastisement”

    How could he marry her to another man when she is still married to me????????????

    Its a fact to say that we are not religiously married in a fire ceremony (agni-hotra) as prescribed in the samskara but its also a fact to say that we are legally married under the British law.and that (to the best of my knowledge ) we would still live together as it was agreed Between both of us and we would try once more and harder to solve our material lives problems together as its said in the garga upanisad ” He is a miserly man who does not solve the problems of this life as a human and he who thus quits this world like the cats and dogs ,without understanding the science of self-realization” putting the science of self realization aside which we all regardless of our legal status can reach by Krishnas mercy ,i needless to say have problems and compromises to solve and to accomplish but it does makes me feel ,much like a failure when things have changed so drastically over a so short period of time.I still haven’t heard from Radhika M dd, I still don’t know how things are going to be like and I still don’t know how our lives are going to be since she wont come home no more and since I probably wont see my son everyday/week and maybe month as im used to .all this spiritual matters has affected my material life both emotionally , psychologically and spiritual practice as it has trembled maybe 00.1% of my faith in what concerns possible mistakes made by vaishnavas.

    another and yet important point is that she just met her new husband for whom i believe she is or they are totallyll” in love ”with each other (which is to say, MAYA!) apart from seen it as a lack of respect from both ,hers , his(her new husband) and from H H Mahavishnu Swami whom consented and executed the ceremony in which they bounded their recently met souls together I Find it morally devastating and simultaneously so surreal that someone so young and so new in the krishna counciouness could manage to convience a well respected sanyasi to marry her to someone when he bearely knew anything about her(as I said ,not even her name before she went to Africa few weeks ago ).How could he consent, agree, encourage, accept ,and give his Blessings to such strange and mundane event as simple as that Going to africa for a spiritual journey and coming back with a husband.

    Those are some concerns of a simple vaishnava who is or try his best to be a decent man ,a good father and a servant of the servant.
    I have written a long and extensive letter in a language which is not my language please accept my apologies if in anyhow I committed an offense to any of you including and specially H H Mahavishnu Swami to whom this email will also be sent to ,I did not intend in anyhow to offende you.

    I also like to express my gratitude for all devotees who showed some solidarity and respect to me in the last few days .
    I wish you all a Great Gaura Purnima
    All glories to Sri Guru and Sri gouranga
    yours sincerely and well-wisher
    most fallen servant
    Premananda sukhy dasa

  2. PAMHO, all glories to Srila Prabhupada

    Jay prabhus it’s nice to hear from HH MVS the truth about the real guru of ISKCON and BBT: His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.

    I associated with HH MVS in Soho temple. We know that in the material world everyone wants to be the master without the realization of the divya-jnana of HDG ACBSP.

    This is the disease of the conditioned soul who is attached with temporary designation to dead matter of this world by forgetting that we are property of SRI SRI RADHA KRSNA and need to give back what belongs to THEM by following the FINAL ORDER of SRILA PRABHUPADA.

    Otherwise we get in trouble as it happened already to that so called gurus who were removed by the laws of nature because they disobeyed to SRILA PRABHUPADA.

    So here we are now all of them have to surrender to the FINAL ORDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA if they really love HIM.

    Anyway SRILA PRABHUPADA predicted that Iskcon will come back to HIM after 40 years of HIS physical disappearance, so another 7 years has to go before all of them surrender to the FINAL ORDER.

    Otherwise they get thrown away by the factor time by taking birth again if they don’t understand how dangerous it is to take the position of guru when they are still trapped in the false ego.

    I was a victim of the guru hoax through the zonal acharyas when I used to live in fiskcon temples full time around the world.
    I left because I could see that all of them more or less were after power position etc..connected to their bodily concept of life.

    Also because I could not have a healthy spiritual life under their limited spiritual progress. Now I get more enlightenment by following HDG ACBSP genuine saddhana-bhakti program by the daily chanting of maha mantra Hare Krsna and the reading of the SRIMAD-BHAGAVAD-GITA i realize day after day that HDG ACBSP is our only well wisher and saviour for the next 9500 years.

    If I don’t go back home in this life I try the next life until I will surrender completely to the lotus feet of the best paramahansa HDG ACBSP KI JAY

    pranam prabhus your servant seva das haribol

  3. anusuya says:

    iskcon may come back to prabhupada but not to the final order. pure devotees still exists & it is not the end of guru parampara. how shall one knows that he able to surrender to srila prabhupada , if at all one takes place in a different planet in a different yuga.. insane rite?

  4. anusuya says:
    30. July 2012 at 9:13 pm

    iskcon may come back to prabhupada but not to the final order. pure devotees still exists

    In your opinion, there’s a pure devotee among ISKCON’s rubber-stamped, pretender, so-called gurus? Who?

  5. a.c. seva das says:

    pamho agtACBSP,

    Iskcon cannot come back to SRILA PRABHUPADA without the final order.

    SRILA PRABHUPADA’s instructions are not different from SRILA PRABHUPADA.

    Of course the world is full of pure devotees. To be a pure devotee is not sufficient in order to become diksa-guru, there has to be an order.

    The conclusion is that an empowered spiritual master is authorized by Krishna and his own guru and should therefore be considered as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. That is the verdict of Visvanatha Cakravarti: saksad-dharitvena. An authorized spiritual master is as good as Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

    (Sri Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 10.136)

    Empowered, authorized doesnt mean something vage, self-imposed. It is a direct appointment similar to, “…perhaps you know that you have been nominated as one of the Governing Body Commissioners.”

    Dried up concocted philosophy will not do, better to surrender to SRILA PRABHUPADA instructions,

    agtys ys

    a.c. seva das

    haribol

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