Myth: “Ritvik initiation was introduced due to Srila Prabhupadas illness to function until his departure”

Anti Ritvik Myths debunked (#2)

 

Myth: Ritvik initiation system was introduced in ISKCON because Srila Prabhupada was ill, so July 9th, 1977 directive was meant to set the system up just temporary- only for the period of Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence

Truth: Srila Prabhupada did not state he established the ritvik system because he was ill or for the period of his physical presence only. This is nothing but speculation that contradicts real evidence that ritvik arrangement was made by Srila Prabhupada for the future, especially after his physical departure

 

In 1977, before his physical departure, Srila Prabhupada finalized the proxy initiation system in ISKCON to be continued in the future, especially after his passing away. This is proved by May 28, 1977 conversation with GBC members, July 9th,1977 directive, his Final Will, other documents and various testimonies of those who were with Srila Prabhupada in spring, summer and autumn of 1977. However, those who don’t have enough knowledge of this topic or are opposed to Srila Prabhupada’s orders in this regard, reject these orders of the acarya and claim, without any serious proof, that the ritvik initiation system was established by Srila Prabhupada just because he was ill and it was meant to continue only until his physical departure. E.g. in 1996, Tamala Krishna Goswami, the mastermind of ISKCON coup in the 1970s and a key architect of the zonal acarya system, wrote:

“6 months before his own demise, Prabhupada had announced that he would appoint some of his disciples to perform all of the functions of initiating new disciples as he had become too ill to do so. Those so initiated would still be Prabhupada’s disciple while those who would be initiated after his demise would become his grand-disciples.” (‘The Perils of Succession’, Tamala Krishna Goswami)

This has become a widespread misinterpretation among the anti-ritvik party:

Maya-ISKCON “guru” Kadamba Kanana Swami: “Yes Srila Prabhupada did write a 9 of July letter. It shows that Srila Prabhupada started a ritvik system at the end of his life, when he was ill and not able to travel.” (KKS Letter, October 11th, 2006)

Kailasa Candra das: “Srila Prabhupada was very ill, so he authorized his rittviks to make some decisions that normally he would have made.” (‘Flaws in the Rittvik Concoction’, circa 2008)

Basu Ghosh das: “there’s just one letter [July 9, 1977], which those old timers, you know, like us, Prabhupada disciples, we know that was because Prabhupada was ill, and he couldn’t give initiations” (maya-ISKCON Indian Continental Committee meeting, 9/7/21)

Maya-ISKCON “guru” Sankarsana das: “The quote from the letter you have cited, which by the way was written by my Godbrother and close associate Tamal Krishna Maharaja on 9 July 1977, describes the system for Srila Prabhupada’s initiating disciples during his last year when he was physically present on this planet and was indisposed due to chronic illness but still accepting disciples.” [January 21st, 2009]

Comment by Krishnakant Desai:

a) The system of initiation set up on the 9th July, 1977, now allowed representatives to take over accepting disciples on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf by giving a spiritual name –

“After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done.”
(July 9th, 1977 directive)

– with the actual initiation ceremonies themselves having already been delegated to Temple Presidents to perform:

“After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before.”
(July 9th, 1977 directive, emphasis added)

b) Hence the ritvik system could not have been set up because Srila Prabhupada was “indisposed due to chronic illness”, since Srila Prabhupada had not lost the use of his vocal chords or his hearing, and so he could have continued to accept disciples by issuing spiritual names in the same way the ritviks were going to. Rather, the system was set up to allow Srila Prabhupada to continue initiating without the need for his physical presence. (Source: https://iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/divinity_delusion_sad.html)

An article from ‘Back to Prabhupada’ magazine that refutes the anti-ritvik argument in more detail:

Debunking The Illness Initiation Myth

Back To Prabhupada, Issue 39, Spring 2013

On page 6 we addressed the long-standing myth that Srila Prabhupada had sanctioned non-liberated diksa gurus. Through a detailed analysis, this myth was thoroughly debunked. Another much repeated myth is the idea that Srila Prabhupada authorised the representational (rtvik) system of initiation only because he was ill. An example of this myth is the following recent GBC statement:

“It is documented that on July 7, 1977, Srila Prabhupada discussed how devotees who had been waiting for initiation could be initiated during his illness. At that time, Srila Prabhupada named specific senior disciples who would initiate on his behalf during his illness. Two days later, the July 9 letter was written to inform devotees about the July 7 conversation and these instructions of Srila Prabhupada.”
(GBC letter to Bangalore devotees, 9/3/2013)

Below we provide a detailed analysis which thoroughly debunks this myth. The quotes in the shaded boxes are from the July 7th, 1977 room conversation, with all emphases added.

Initiation stoppage

Tamala Krsna: “We’re receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait. […] I mean, one thing is that it’s said that the spiritual master takes on the … You know, he takes on the … He has to cleanse the disciple by … So we don’t want that you should have to … Your health is not so good, so that should not be … That’s why we’ve been asking everybody to wait […] Some devotees are writing you now for second initiation, and I’m writing them to wait a while because you’re not well.”

Tamala Krsna states:

a) All initiations have been stopped due to the concern of Tamala Krsna and other devotees over Srila Prabhupada’s health (“we don’t want that you should have to”).

b) This concern of theirs is that after the spiritual master takes disciples he has to cleanse them spiritually and Srila Prabhupada’s health may be adversely affected by this task (“that’s why we’ve been asking everybody to wait”).

Initiations resumed

Tamala Krsna: “We’re receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait.”
Srila Prabhupada: “The local, mean, senior sannyasis can do that.”
Tamala Krsna: “[…] So should that process be resumed, or should we…? I mean, one thing is that it’s said that the spiritual master takes on the […] That’s why we’ve been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time.”
Srila Prabhupada: “No, the senior sannyasis…”

Having heard the health concern for why the initiations were stopped, Srila Prabhupada immediately rejects it and asks that initiations be resumed. He wants to continue initiating, and thus does not accept that his health will not be able to take the effects of continuing to accept disciples.

Last aspect devolved

Tamala Krsna: “That’s what we were doing … I mean, formerly we were … the local GBC, sannyasis, were chanting on their beads, and they were writing to Your Divine Grace, and you were giving a spiritual name. […] I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time.”
Srila Prabhupada: “No, the senior sannyasis […]”
Tamala Krsna: “So supposing someone is in America, should they simply write directly to Kirtanananda or Satsvarupa?”
Srila Prabhupada: “Nearby.”

Up until this time, as explained above, the initiation system had been largely devolved to the senior sannyasis, with Srila Prabhupada only giving a spiritual name. Srila Prabhupada states that the senior sannyasis can resume the initiation system, and now give the spiritual name as well.

Summary

1. The issue of health was only relevant to why the leaders had stopped initiations.
2. Even then the health issue was not Srila Prabhupada’s physical capacity to continue initiating, but the health effects from spiritually “cleansing” future disciples.
3. These health concerns were rejected and Srila Prabhupada asked that initiations be resumed.

July 9th confirmation

Thus, the July 7th conversation does not document, as the GBC falsely claimed, that the rtvik system was set up by Srila Prabhupada only to initiate devotees “during his illness”. Further, the July 9th directive, which sets out the rtvik system of initiating on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf, makes zero mention that the system was set up only for during Srila Prabhupada’s illness. Indeed, it makes no mention of Srila Prabhupada’s illness at all. Rather, it only states that the system is for all initiations generally — “for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation”. Ironically, here the GBC are defeated by their own statement. They claimed that “the July 9 letter was written to inform devotees about the July 7 conversation and these instructions of Srila Prabhupada.” Since the July 9th directive makes no mention of the illness theory, they have to accept, by their own reasoning, that the July 7th conversation does not either!

Unable to perform yajna

Over 3 months later, Srila Prabhupada was unable to perform a fire yajna for someone who had travelled all the way from New York to Mayapur to be personally initiated by Srila Prabhupada, and in response Srila Prabhupada states:

“So, deputies, Jayapataka’s name was there? […] So I depute him to do this at Mayapur, and you may go with him. I stop for the time being. […] And if by Krsna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It is not good.”
(Srila Prabhupada, Room Conversation, 18/10/1977)

The “stopping” here cannot refer to the representational (rtvik) system of initiation, since:

a) The representational system of initiation had already been running for over 3 months and had never been stopped.
b) Srila Prabhupada asks one of the rtviks, Jayapataka, to perform the initiation on his behalf.

So the stopping and beginning again refer only to Srila Prabhupada physically performing initiation ceremonies himself, with initiations on his behalf continuing normally. (End of excerpt from the article)

One evidence anti-ritviks may extrapolate their opinion from is the following message given in the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust’s newsletter by Ramesvara Swami dated June 20, 1977 (before the July discussions):

“We have received one letter from Tamal Krsna Maharaja who discussed the question of new requests for first and second initiation with Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada told Tamal Krsna that he does not want to consider any requests until his health has returned. Tamal Krsna Maharaja requested that I inform all the GBC members to instruct their temples to hold all requests for initiation until further notice.”

However, if we carefully look at this message and its context, we will see the following:

1. In the second half of June 1977, initiation requests were postponed until Srila Prabhupada’s health was improved. But this in itself doesn’t prove what anti-ritviks claim: that the system of ritvik initiations, formalized later in July 1977, was introduced only because of Srila Prabhupada’s illness and was intended only until physical departure of the acarya. This is not stated in the above letter.

One of Srila Prabhupada’s personal servants Gauridas Pandit prabhu wrote in 1989: “Later, letters kept coming from temple presidents recommending devotees for initiation. Srila Prabhupada said to wait, and then one morning in his garden he said, “Tomorrow I will announce some ritvik-acharyas who will initiate disciples on my behalf when I leave the planet.” (Vedic Village Review #10, September 1989, Feature Letter: from Gauridasa Pandita dasa, Auburn, 6.25.89, pg. 18)

So the decision to stop incoming letters with recommendations of new disciples was an interim measure made in June 1977 (by the way, the tape of the conversation is again strangely missing). This instruction “to wait” was connected to the issue of Srila Prabhupada’s health. But soon the final solution was ordered: the ritvik system for when Prabhupada “leaves the planet” starting immediately from July 1977 whereby Srila Prabhupada doesn’t engage in the formalities of initiation procedures at all.

2. On July 7, 1977, when Tamal said “we” do not want Srila Prabhupada to get the burden of karma of new disciples during illness, Srila Prabhupada replied “no”, rejecting the idea that initiations should not be conducted because of his health. Srila Prabhupada said to resume initiations, and to send new letters with requests for initiations to the nearest “senior sannyasi”/ritvik, 9 of whom he named during this July 7th conversation. Srila Prabhupada didn’t emphasize anywhere that the ritvik system was introduced only for the period of illness of his body. For some reason, there is no reference or hint in July 7th conversation to the decision allegedly made in June. But even if the document quoted above correctly stated Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, then, again, it was a temporary solution “until further notice”, and later, in July 1977, this decision was changed and finalized in the form of the ritvik initiation arrangement.

3. What exact participation on the part of Srila Prabhupada was meant in June 20th newsletter? If it was his personal physical involvement in initiation procedures, it was postponed but then solved by the ritvik system: his personal participation was difficult or impossible at that time, but his remaining the spiritual master who delivers transcendental knowledge, taking spiritual charge of the disciple up to his/her spiritual liberation cannot be checked by physical difficulties, and his representatives would continue doing the formal part of initiations on behalf of Srila Prabhupada. This arrangement, unlike Srila Prabhupada’s personal participation in yajna, etc., was possible regardless Srila Prabhupada’s health condition. Why, according to anti-ritviks, could this have continued only until Srila Prabhupada physical departure, if the spiritual essence of the diksa process did not depend on physical circumstances, and all the physical ceremonial aspects of initiations were devolved to ritviks?

At the beginning of the July 9, 1977 directive that finalized ritvik initiations in ISKCON, there is a reference to the GBC meeting in Vrindavan, during which GBC members asked Srila Prabhupada questions about initiations after his physical departure on May 28, 1977. His Divine Grace replied that he would appoint ritviks (that is, BEFORE June and July 1977, a fundamental decision was made on ritvic initiations for the period after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, and subsequently this issue was finally formalized).

4. At the beginning of the July 9, 1977 directive that officially introduced the ritvik initiation system in ISKCON there is a reference to the GBC meeting in Vrindavana, during which GBC members asked Srila Prabhupada questions about initiations after his physical departure on May 28, 1977. His Divine Grace replied he would appoint ritviks (that is, PRIOR to June and July 1977, the key decision have already been made on ritvik initiations for the period after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, and subsequently this issue was formalized). The July 9th directive also gives information from July 7, 1977 discussion (9 of the first 11 ritviks were named on July 7). It is also based on other instructions from Srila Prabhupada (names of 2 ritviks not mentioned on July 7, and probably conversations held before May 28, 1977 about ritviks, etc.). GBC’s claim that the July 9 letter reported only what was discussed on July 7, 1977 is their another false idea. Moreover, in the July 9th directive and private letters written by Tamal (as Srila Prabhupada’s secretary) during the same period to some ritviks (Kirtanananda, Hamsaduta, Harikesa), absolutely nothing is said that this system is being introduced for reasons related to Srila Prabhupada’s health and only for the period until his physical departure. In these letters, Tamal wrote vaguely “henceforward”, “in the future”, trying to avoid any direct mention that this system is being introduced “particularly” for the period when Srila Prabhupada is “no longer with us” (as per May 28, 1977 conversation). However, Srila Prabhupada’s Final Will, which was signed in the early June, 1977, confirms that in the future, all executive directors of all ISKCON properties, even their “successors”, must be “my initiated disciple[s]” (which is possible only if the ritvik initiations on behalf of Srila Prabhupada are to be maintained), and no successor gurus are appointed in the Will.

5. There is a number of testimonies that confirm that Srila Prabhupada ordered ritvik-representational system of initiations for the period of his departure. E.g.:

Gauridas Pandit Das, one of Srila Prabhupada’s personal servants in 1977: “The next few days after the ritvic appointments I heard more instructions from Srila Prabhupada. Tamal K.G. asked him the next morning, July 8th, if there should be vyasasana’s for the ritviks in the temples. Srila Prabhupada said, “No; that would create enmity among my disciples.” […] Tamal K.G. also asked Srila Prabhupada if there could be more ritviks in the future. Srila Prabhupada said that more could be appointed by the GBC at Mayapura. Tamal K.G. asked Srila Prabhupada what to do if a ritvik falls down and Srila Prabhupada replied that the GBC could remove them. […] I told some of the devotees what I heard about this and Yasodanandan wrote it down in his diary. On July 8th Yasodanandan Prabhu wrote, “Tamal Krishna Maharaja was talking about [with Prabhupada] rtvik gurus to initiate on behalf of Prabhupada after he leaves the planet.” On July 9th Yasodanandan wrote, “I heard from Tamal Krishna Maharaja in the afternoon that Srila Prabhupada had told him to send a letter to ‘all the temples’ to explain the ritvik initiation system for the future.” On July 10th Yasodanandan wrote, “Tamal Krishna Maharaja comes out of Prabhupada’s room. TKG: “Haribol, Yasoda, did you see this?” Yasoda: “No, what is it?” TKG: “This is signed by Prabhupada.” Yasoda: “What does all this mean?” TKG: “Devotees have been writing to Prabhupada asking for initiations and now Prabhupada has named eleven ritviks who can initiate on his behalf. Prabhupada said others can be added.” Yasodanandan: “And when Prabhupada departs?” TKG: “They’ll be ritviks. That’s what Prabhupada said. It’s all on tape.”
(R.C.5-28-77 & 7-7-77etc.)” (On My Behalf, by Gauridasa Pandita Dasa, 01/19/98, VNN)

According to testimony of Cyavana Swami Srila Prabhupada said, “I will continue to accept disciples and give them my blessings even after I am no longer physically present, you may initiate them on my behalf”. To that he added, “I will have millions of disciples”… (Posted by HH Cyavana Swami on his Facebooks page on September 7, 2016)

Pita das recollected in 1998, “The fact of the matter was Srila Prabhupada made himself very clear on how new devotees coming into his movement were to be accepted into it after his disappearance. The word ritvik was first heard by me from Srila Prabhupada’s Lotus mouth and His Divine Grace used the term many times during his last two weeks in Vrindaban. I remember this clearly because I didn’t know what a ritvik was.” (from ‘Srila Prabhupada Coined The Term Ritvik’, December 1, 1998, VNN).

Locanananda das: “One other thing he [Pita das] mentioned in the same letter [to Locanananda] was that he heard Srila Prabhupada say at least a dozen times in Vrndavana in 1977 that initiations would be performed after his departure by the ‘ritvik acharya'”. (‘Srila Prabhupada Hidden Glories’, book 1, chapter 63, pg. 343)

6. Off course, Srila Prabhupada’s severe health crisis in May 1977 incited formalizing the ritvik-representative system for the future, but not just until his physical departure as anti-ritviks claim. It was Srila Prabhupada’s divine arrangement for the future of his movement, especially after his disappearance. Proxy initiation system had already been de facto practiced in ISKCON throughout the world during 1970s since it wasn’t possible for Srila Prabhupada to examine and personally initiate all the ever growing number of disciples in each temple, and this factor alone could have caused finalizing the ritvik system in some time even if Srila Prabhupada wouldn’t get ill. Srila Prabhupada wrote in 1973:

“Just now I have received some more requests for giving first initiation from Dhananjaya, and now I am receiving weekly not less than ten to fifteen such requests from new students. So it is becoming very expensive to send so many sets of beads such long distance, and it has become little bothersome for me also, so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America Kirtanananda Swami is going that. So now if there are two of you that will give me great relief. Kirtanananda will chant on the beads for new devotees in America, Canada, like that, you can chant on the beads for the European continent new disciples. They shall, of course, still be considered as my disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but you will be empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same effect of binding master and disciple as if I were personally chanting. They may continue to send me their letters of request, along the President’s recommendation, and I shall give them name and it will be entered by my Secretary in our records, only I will send my letter of reply to you and you will purchase beads there and chant them and send, along with my letter to the new initiates. Is that all right? I shall continue to deal with the matter of second initiations. The sacred threads do not require so much postage to send airmail.” (SP Letter to: Revatinandana — Bombay 4 January, 1973)

“Upon your recommendation I am accepting David Kiish as my disciple. His spiritual name is Damaghosa dasa. I am also accepting Abhinanda dasa Brahmacari for second initiation. Enclosed is his sanctified sacred thread and mantra sheet. Hold a fire sacrifice amongst the devotees and he can hear the mantra from my tape record through the right ear. For chanting on the beads, a sannyasi or GBC man can do it.” (SP Letter to: Sukadeva — Calcutta 25 September, 1974)

“My Dear Cyavana Swami: […] Upon your recommendation I accept the children of Rasa-lila as my disciples. There spiritual names are Radhika devi dasi and Sanatana das Brahmacari. You can chant on their beads.” (SP Letter to: Cyavana — Vrindaban 4 September, 1975)

So at some point, due to even more increased number of temples and disciples the second initiation and other remaining aspects of initiation procedure would take too much time as well, even if Srila Prabhupada would remain perfectly healthy. Anti-ritviks often keep silent about the fact that the representative initiation system had already been actively practiced in ISKCON since the late 1960s and early 1970s, and Srila Prabhupada gradually transferred ceremonial functions related to the official part of initiations to his senior disciples. He did not do this at that time for reasons related to the health of his body. So, in 1977, Srila Prabhupada took further steps to devolve the remaining ceremonial functions to the ritviks and at the same time remain the current spiritual master for his worldwide movement, and this was not necessarily due solely to illness.

7. Thus, neither the above quoted message in the BBT newsletter, nor the subsequent conversation dated July 7th, 1977, nor the July 9th, 1977 directive, nor the Will of June 4th, 1977, nor personal letters to first ritviks, etc. – nowhere does actual evidence prove what anti-ritviks claim: that the representative initiation system was introduced only for the period of Srila Prabhupada’s illness. Srila Prabhupada himself does not state this anywhere. Why do anti-ritviks insist on something they have no solid evidence of? Is this a serious approach? No, this is just their interpretation based on their unwillingness to understand and follow the real instructions of Srila Prabhupada.

In conclusion: Srila Prabhupada established the ritvik initiation system for the future, particularly when he is no longer with us. This question was asked to him by the GBC delegation on May 28, 1977, and he promised to appoint ritviks which he did in July 1977. But some individuals don’t want to accept the acarya’s order. So what they are left with? With the argument, “Yes, he did establish this system, but only temporary, until his physical departure”. And why temporary, until the departure, when the actual orders don’t state this at all, but indicate the future after the departure as well? Srila Prabhupada was asked by the GBC how initiations should be conducted after his departure, and he issued the ritvik initiation directive to deal with the initiation topic just for the illness period, without giving written instructions answering the actual GBC question?

After the short period of stopping initiation requests in June-July 1977 the final solution was made in the form of ritvik initiation procedures adjusted in such a way Srila Prabhupada didn’t have to be physically involved in the initiation formalities anymore. Isn’t it a system suitable for the post-samadhi period? And Srila Prabhupada did not authorize anyone in the capacity of diksa guru and did not describe any details of the future multiple diksa guru system in ISKCON.

So anti-ritviks can only indulge in their illogical wishful thinking, “No, no, it was until departure because he was ill” (in reality, he was poisoned by the same renegades, such as Tamal, who introduced this anti-Prabhupada/anti-ritvik argument). And then they continue to indoctrinate ISKCON followers and other people with this dogmatic opinion by stating it countless times, as if it in itself constitutes a proof. How can one terminate the acarya’s order on such a shaky basis and then introduce a completely different system of new diksa gurus whom Srila Prabhupada never authorized in this capacity and never gave descriptions of the new multiple diksa guru system in ISKCON? So this anti-ritvik argument is a speculation and myth, because Srila Prabhupada never stated anywhere in the recorded evidence that representational initiation system was established only due to his illness and only until his physical departure. Sincere devotees should be careful not to blindly accept and then not to repeat this bogus argument introduced by some deviated persons.

Comments

  1. PAMHO AGTACBSP, TO HAVE A BAD KARMA MEANS TO BE A FALSE LEADER LIKE F-ISKCON IS THE BAD KARMA OF ISKCON BBT FOUNDER ACHARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA KI JAY, WE ALREADY STOLE THE FALSE DESIGNATION AND KEEPING STEALING THROUGH THE FALSE DESIGNATION IS A BAD KARMA FOR DONKEY IN F-ISKCON ONLY,WE ALREADY BORN NAKED AND NOEL SAY IN THE BIBLE AND NAKED I WILL DEPART ,IF WE DON’T WANT TO DEPART NAKED WE NEED TO MAKE OUR WEALTH IN THE PARAVYOMA SPIRITUAL SKY BY DRESSING OURSELVES WITH PLENTY OF PIOUX ACTIVITIES SUKRTI THROUGH SRAVANA KIRTANAH SMARANA VANDANA ON THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD SRI KRSNA THATVIS THE REAL WEALTH AND NEVER GET STOLEN AND ONE GET DRESS PROPERLY THROUGH THE BHAKTI YOGA ONE DONT TAKE BIRTH AGAIN IN THIS UNWANTED MATERIAL WORLD BECAUSE FOUND THE OWN RIGHT SPIRITUAL DRESS IMAGE CREATED BY SRI KRSNA THROUGH THE RAGA BHAKTI THE SPONTANEOUS SERVICE AND NOT BY FORCE BY STEALING TO SRILA PRABHUPADA THEREFORE F-ISKCON IS A CONSTANT AND UNWANTED ROBBERY TO OUR GURU MAHARAJ THEREFORE THEY WILL DEPART MORE ROTTEN THEN BEFORE NOT JUST NAKED BECAUSE F-ISKCON LACKING OF PIOUX ACTIVITIES….AGTACBSP YS HARIBOL

  2. THEN THIS AGE IS FULL OF REMORSE AND ANOMALY BUT WHAT IS GONE IS GONE LIKE ALL THESE FAKE IMAGES WHO CLAIMING THEY ARE GURU BUT THEY ARE DISAPPEAR AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PRABHUPADA WHICH IMAGE GET WORSHIP UNTIL THE END OF THE GOLDEN AGE BECAUSE OF HIS PURITY,ANYWAY MIND YOUR BUSINESS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?,FOOLISH NUMBER ONE MAY BE THEY REALISED IT WHEN THEY ARE IN THE COFFIN THAT THEY SPOILED ANOTHER LIFE IN CHEW THE CHEWED CARVITA CARVANANAM MUDHA MATE…AGTACBSP YS HARIBOL

  3. Dusyanta dasa says:

    In Shrimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31 Srila Prabhupada wrote clearly about the Acharya-Sampradaya Methodology specifically for devotees who come in the future when Srila Prabhupada is no longer physically with us.

    The two presences of the Diksha Guru and Shiksha Guru.

    “This is the last word in prayer. Some people complain that when they pray to God, they do not feel His presence. We should know that this is due to our incapacities, not God’s.
    There are two conceptions of presence—the physical conception and the vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary, whereas the vibrational conception is eternal. When we enjoy or relish the vibration of Kṛṣṇa’s teachings in Bhagavad-gītā, or when we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, we should know that by those vibrations He is immediately present. He is absolute, and because of this His vibration is just as important as His physical presence. When we feel separation from Kṛṣṇa or the spiritual master, we should just try to remember their words of instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation. Such association with Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master should be association by vibration, not physical presence. That is real association. We put so much stress on seeing, but when Kṛṣṇa was present on this earth, so many people saw Him and did not realize that He is God; so what is the advantage of seeing? By seeing Kṛṣṇa, we will not understand Him, but by listening carefully to His teachings, we can come to the platform of understanding. We can touch Kṛṣṇa immediately by sound vibration; therefore, we should give more stress to the sound vibration of Kṛṣṇa and of the spiritual master—then we’ll feel happy and won’t feel separation.” Excerpted from Elevation to Krishna Consciousness by Srila Prabhupada chapter 4.

    Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31.
    O Lord, who resembles the shining sun, You are always ready to fulfil the desire of Your devotee, and therefore You are known as a desire tree [vāñchā-kalpataru]. When ācāryas completely take shelter under Your lotus feet in order to cross the fierce ocean of nescience, they leave behind on earth the method by which they cross, and because You are very merciful to Your other devotees, You accept this method to help them.
    PURPORT
    This statement reveals how the merciful ācāryas and the merciful Supreme Personality of Godhead together help the serious devotee who wants to return home, back to Godhead. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, in His teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī, said:
    brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva
    guru-kṛṣṇa-prasāde pāya bhakti-latā-bīja
    (Cc. Madhya 19.151)
    One can achieve the seed of bhakti-latā, devotional service, by the mercy of guru and Kṛṣṇa. The duty of the guru is to find the means, according to the time, the circumstances and the candidate, by which one can be induced to render devotional service, which Kṛṣṇa accepts from a candidate who wants to be successful in going back home, back to Godhead. After wandering throughout the universe, a fortunate person within this material world seeks shelter of such a guru, or ācārya, who trains the devotee in the suitable ways to render service according to the circumstances so that the Supreme Personality of Godhead will accept the service. This makes it easier for the candidate to reach the ultimate destination. The ācārya’s duty, therefore, is to find the means by which devotees may render service according to references from śāstra. Rūpa Gosvāmī, for example, in order to help subsequent devotees, published such devotional books as Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu. Thus it is the duty of the ācārya to publish books that will help future candidates take up the method of service and become eligible to return home, back to Godhead, by the mercy of the Lord. In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, this same path is being prescribed and followed. Thus the devotees have been advised to refrain from four sinful activities—illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling—and to chant sixteen rounds a day. These are bona fide instructions. Because in the Western countries constant chanting is not possible, one should not artificially imitate Haridāsa Ṭhākura, but should follow this method. Kṛṣṇa will accept a devotee who strictly follows the regulative principles and the method prescribed in the various books and literatures published by the authorities. The ācārya gives the suitable method for crossing the ocean of nescience by accepting the boat of the Lord’s lotus feet, and if this method is strictly followed, the followers will ultimately reach the destination, by the grace of the Lord. This method is called ācārya-sampradāya. It is therefore said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ (Padma Purāṇa). The ācārya-sampradāya is strictly bona fide. Therefore one must accept the ācārya-sampradāya; otherwise one’s endeavor will be futile. Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura therefore sings:
    tāṅdera caraṇa sevi bhakta sane vāsa
    janame janame haya, ei abhilāṣa
    One must worship the lotus feet of the ācārya and live within the society of devotees. Then one’s endeavor to cross over nescience will surely be successful.”

    I counted 8 times here where Srila Prabhupada emphasized the word “Method.”

    “In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, this same path is being prescribed and followed.”

    Srila Prabhupada wrote this purport many many years ago. And so it should be common knowledge in our Krishna Consciousness Movement that we are following this Acharya-Sampradaya Method specifically for the devotees in the Future after Srila Prabhupada is no longer with us Physically. So i have conducted an unofficial Poll. Not one devotee had even heard of the Acharya-Sampradaya Methodology, what to speak of applying it in Iskcon specifically for all the devotees who come after Srila Prabhupada is no longer with us Physically. Even though He used the word “Method” 8 times in this one purport, which emphasizes its importance. Seems as though Iskcon again have missed their opportunity to follow Srila Prabhupada’s Words, over 50 years ago. Actually in all the years i have found out about this methodology i have not heard ONE devotee mention it here in the UK, what to speak of it being common knowledge in Iskcon or any other Iskcon camp.

  4. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    Myth: Ritvik initiation system was introduced in ISKCON because Srila Prabhupada was ill, so July 9th, 1977 directive was meant to set the system up just temporary- only for the period of Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence

    Not “ILLNESS” but poisoning symptoms! Do you think that those snakes and liars, that gave this poison (over 9 or so months!) give a damn about Srila Prabhupada’s instruction? or what about those retards who worship the poisoners? Freemason gender benders, faggots, pedophiles! THEY DON’T EVEN HIDE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE FREEMASONS! ………..THEY WILL JUST LAUGH IN YOUR FACE!

    This is called THE ‘REVELATION OF THE METHOD!’ AND THIS REQUIRES ‘YOUR CONSENT!’

    THIS ‘CLOWN LIKE MOCKERY’ IS A SUBTLE FORM OF ‘MIND RAPE!’ WHICH DESTROYS THE SOUL!

    THE REVELATION OF THE METHOD.
    ……………………………………………………..

    ‘CONSENT IS THE CRUCIAL PROCESS!’

    THE ALCHEMICAL PRINCIPAL OF ‘THE REVELATION OF THE METHOD’ HAS AS IT’S CHIEF COMPONENT, A CLOWN-LIKE, GRINNING MOCKERY OF THE VICTIM(S) AS A SHOW OF POWER AND MACABRE ARROGANCE.

    WHEN THIS IS PERFORMED IN A VEILED MANNER, ACCOMPANIED BY CERTAIN OCCULT SIGNS AND SYMBOLIC WORDS, AND ELICITS ‘NO MEANINGFUL OPPOSITION OR RESISTANCE FROM THE TARGET(S)’ IT IS ONE OF THE ‘MOST EFFICACIOUS TECHNIQUES OF PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE AND MIND RAPE!’

  5. PAMHO AGTACBSP, A WISE A CIVILISED LIVING ENTITY DRESS HIMSELF WITH BHAKTI THEREFORE HIS ADDRESS IS BHAKTI UNTIL ONE GET THE PERMANENT RESIDENCE IN BHAKTI DEVI WHILE ALL THE KARMI AND VIKARMI DRESS THEMSELVES WITH MAHA MAYA THEREFORE THEIR ADDRESS IS MAYA SUKAYA UNTIL THEY BECOME NITYA BADDHA PERMANENT RESIDENTS OF THE NASTY MATERIAL WORLD THIS IS THE EVIL PATH OF ALL THE GURU HOAX IN F-ISKCON, WISH THEM GOOD LUCK SINCE THEY NEED IT…..AGTACBSP YS HARIBOL

  6. NIVRITTA TARSAIR THIS KNOWLEDGE CAN BE RELISHING BY PEOPLE WHO STOPPED HANKERING FOR MATERIAL THINGS THEN UPAGYAMANAT SRI KRSNA IS WORSHIPPED IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM WHILE F-ISKCON IS A OUTSIDER A-PARAMPARA THEREFORE THEY DO NOT WORSHIP KRSNA IN THE PARAMPARA AND STILL PRETEND TO BE SWAMI WHILE THEY ARE STILL GODASA SERVANT OF THEIR DIRTY SENSES WAKE UP SLEEPING SOULS HOW LONG YOU WANT TO BE A SLAVE OF YOUR SO CALLED SENSES AGTACBSP YS HARIBOL

  7. PAMHO AGTACBSP ,SADA JIVAN UCCHA VICHAR SIMPLY LIVING HIGH THINKING GOT FORGOTTEN IN F-ISKCON AND AFTER 50 YEARS OF SO CALLED SPIRITUAL LIFE THEY STILL GET SCANDALS HISTORY THERE ARE MANY CASES IS NOT JUST LKN SO CALLED SWAMI TO BE INVOLVE IN SCANDAL HISTORY AND THIS SCANDAL HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BETRAYERS OF OUR GURU MAHARAJ THEREFORE THEY LOSE SELF CONTROL BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE ANY SPIRITUAL SUPPORT BY SSGG THEY ARE WASTING TIME BY WORKING AGAINST THE FINAL ORDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA THEREFORE THEIR GUNA AND KARMA GET INVOLVED IN SCANDALS ,ANYWAY WE THANKS SSGG TO NOT BE AGAINST THEM BY FOLLOWING THE FINAL ORDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA. AGTACBSP YS HARIBOL

  8. SRI KRSNA IS THE SUPREME KALAKAR ARTIST OF THE FACTOR TIME THEREFORE WE HAVE NOT POWER TO MANIPULATE THE FACTOR TIME NEITHER TO USE IT AS WE WANT THE TIME MACHINE DO NOT EXIST THEREFORE WE CANT TRAVEL THROUGH THE FACTOR TIME PHYSICALLY BUT MENTALLY EVERYONE CAN CREATE THE OWN GANDHARVA PURAM BUT THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE MIND IS TO THINK ALWAYS OF KRSNA BECAUSE IF KRSNA IS NOT THERE THEN MAYA WILL BE THERE AND KRSNA SAY ANANYA CETAH SATATAM YO MAM SMARATI NITYASAHA TASYAHAM SULABHAH PARTHA NITYA YUKTASYA YOGINAH BG 8.14 IS BHAKTI YOGA TO THINK OF KRSNA ETERNALLY WITH FERVENT DEVOTION YOGINAM API SARVESAM MAD GATENARATMANA BG 6.47 BUT ALL THESE CHARLATANS MAKE THEMSELVES TO BE RECOGNISED AS THE MOST FOOLISH BECAUSE ARE TRYING TO DO SPIRITUAL LIFE WITH THE HANDBRAKE ON THEREFORE THEY CANT SEE WHY THEY CANT DO SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT BUT WE CAN SEE BY OUR SPIRITUAL SUPPORT BY SSGG BECAUSE WE NEVER FORGET THAT ALL THE SPIRITUAL POWER IS IN THE DIVINE INSTRUCTIONS OF SSGG.AGTACBSP YS HARIBOL

  9. …. The difficulty is to obtain a bona fide spiritual master and Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the duty of a human being is to capture the opportunity to come in touch with Kṛṣṇa’s representative, the bona fide spiritual master. Under the guidance of the spiritual master, the spiritual father, one can return home, back to Godhead.

    https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/6/16/6

    Note:

    …TO CAPTURE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN TOUCH WITH KRSNA’S REPRESENTATIVE, THE BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER…

    How can one not see through the illusion?? Answer: As long as in their eyes all is nice, peace and hunky dory, they unfortunately worship conditioned souls WITH SRILA PRABHUPADA IN FULL VIEW.

    Why anyone listens to them shows the old saying: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!

    • Balaram das says:

      RE: “WITH SRILA PRABHUPADA IN FULL VIEW.”

      They also allow the mugshots to be placed on the Lord’s Altars, often ABOVE the level of the Parampara and even above the small Deities. How offensive!

      Not only worship in full view, but also STEAL Srila Prabhupada’s prospective disciples in front of him, whilst he is seated on the Vyasasan as the Founder and Acarya of ISKCON.

      Below is the registration of ISKCON in Australia, revised in 1978 after the passing of Srila Prabhupada. This was standard ‘Society’ registration in most countries.

      Under the Title ACHARYA, Srila Prabhupada’s position is clearly defined, however since then the demon usurpers & cheats dared to claim even on their letterheads they were “CURRENT ACHARYA”.
      I have full certified copy of the Certificate dated 20th April ’79, including 18 pages of articles, that I applied for when I was Melbourne TP 1975-’89.

      Australia Government
      CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION OF AN ASSOCIATION
      Associations Incorporation Act 1956-
      International Society for Krishna Consciousness is Incorporated under the provisions of the Associations Incorporation Act 1956-65
      18th January 1978

      ACHARYA

      18. It is declared that His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is the Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.
      It is acknowledged by all members of the society that His Divine Grace is the Supreme Authority in all matters relating to the Society.
      It is further declared and acknowledged that as such, his position CANNOT BE OCCUPIED OR SHARED WITH ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL, EITHER DURING HIS LIFETIME OR AFTER HIS DEATH and as a result of his holding such position, his name and Title appears on all documents, letterheads, publications and buildings of the Society.
      (my capitals emphasis)

      By the way, the current Fiskcon takes no responsibility for the level of Krsna Consciousness of their
      voted-in ecclesiastical conditioned soul ‘initiating’ guroos. “Buyer beware.. some care taken, but no responsibility” Bit like leaving your car in a parking station!

      • Re: ….whilst he is seated on the Vyasasan as the Founder and Acarya of ISKCON….

        6 months ago we started going slowly through the five volumes of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s transcendental letters with the intent of understanding, in greatest possible detail, the start and the expansion of the Movement and the first ‘steps’ of its Devotees in the infancy of spiritual life. We also want to trace out the where, how, who and when Kali entered.

        There was some Māyā with Kirtanananda during Śrīla Prabhupāda’s returning to India in 1967 when Śrīla Prabhupāda was very sick and was not sure if He would live to return to the US. Kirtanananda was there to assist Śrīla Prabhupāda as a servant.

        Somehow that situation was rectified. Another incident shortly after was when Brahmananda started following Kirtanananda into Māyā. Śrīla Prabhupāda there and than in one letter praises the small brother of Brahmananda, Gargamuni, as to have prevented, saved and brought back Brahmananda from falling away further and disobeying Śrīla Prabhupāda’s orders.

        The next years, until 1970, it appears a ‘kind of relatively smooth sailing’ due to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s constant vigilance, 24/7, leaving no loose ends, writing up to six inspiring letters each day in which He instantaneously is correcting course and steering the growing society to where He wants it to go. All the young devotees are giving their utmost (according to conviction & ability), with lots of money required to maintain the expanding number of temples $$$$$ the translation & printing $$$$$$ and distribution of the same and the organising of the planned World Sankirtana Party in January 1971 with about 40 Devotees. A tremendous endeavour with Śrīla Prabhupāda constantly and untiringly trouble shooting in all directions.

        Now Kali, finally, seems to have crept in as Śrīla Prabhupāda mentioned the first time in THIS letter to Bali-mardana, giving Him headaches and high blood pressure as he mentions in other letters that same August.

        Here in Volume 3 is this first letter in where Śrīla Prabhupāda explicitly and in great detail FIRST elaborates and explains the position of Srila Vyasadeva, the process of the Paramparā system, the meaning of Vyasa Puja, the exalted seat called Vyasasana and where the real bonafide spiritual Master comes in on this NAMELY:

        >>> the ripened fruit is received hand to hand through disciplic succession and anyone who does this work in disciplic succession from Srila Vyasadeva is considered as representative of Vyasadeva and as such the bona fide Spiritual Master’s Appearance Day is worshiped as Vyasa Puja. Not only that, the exalted seat on which the Spiritual Master sits is also called Vyasasana.<<<<

        m2c: one who has dropped the Mango deliberately , who has banged up the Mango intentionally and one who has destroyed the Mango purposely has consequently delivered an unrecognisable and inedible fruit – has not delivered the perfect massage as it should have been – cannot claim to be a representative of Srila Vyasadeva.

        _

        The following letter Śrīla Prabhupāda wrote from Tokyo, Japan on August 25, 1970 where He stayed for one month before going to India accompanied by 5 (newly created) Sannyasis and Tamal (he was a householder that time). In Japan He also had just created with them the GBC.

        THAN:
        Please note the last 2 sections in this letter and the two similes Śrīla Prabhupāda gives:

        ONE fire in a tree, meaning ONE person & ONE bad boy in the family =
        "Similarly in this institution if there IS A bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes".

        ONE, ONE, IS A – means ONE and singular DISCIPLE ( or He would have written …..there ARE SOME bad DISCIPLES)

        NOTE: no name mentioned (as of yet)

        *

        Letter to: Bali-mardana

        Tokyo
        25 August, 1970
        70-08-25

        New Vrndavana
        My Dear Bali Mardan,

        Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated nil and your reference to Srila Vyasadeva on this Vyasa Puja Day is very significant. Srila Vyasadeva is the original Spiritual Master for anyone who is following the Vedic way of spiritual realization.

        Spiritual Master is the representative of Vyasadeva because he carries the message of Vyasadeva throughout the world. As you know it very well that Vyasadeva compiled all Vedic literatures wonderfully. Sometimes so-called "realist'' philosophers do not believe that there was any person of the name Vyasadeva. Their opinion is that any person distributing the Vedic knowledge is called a Vyasadeva. This class of philosophers generally being impersonalists cannot appreciate how one man could write so many books. Actually it is astonishing.

        Before Vyasadeva, all the Vedic Scriptures were taught and received verbally by the disciplic succession. Both the students and the Spiritual Master of those ages were so sharp in their memory that once they heard the transcendental message from the Spiritual Master the message was immediately imprinted in their brain as vivid as a written language. For example, Sukadeva Gosvami was narrating Srimad-Bhagavatam extemporaneously. The whole Srimad-Bhagavatam, eighteen thousand verses, very difficult to pronounce even and what to speak of memorizing, were narrated very easily just like reading some printed book. He narrated the whole subject matter of Srimad-Bhagavatam continuously for seven days and Maharaja Pariksit also understood the subject matter very clearly. Both of them were so meritorious that they attained the highest goal of life, namely the Lotus Feet of Lord Sri Krsna simply by reciting and hearing respectively.

        Of course that time was just the moment when Kali, the predominating Deity of the present age, was peeping to infiltrate in the worldly affairs and later on it was complete through the exigency of an upstart brahmana boy. So Vyasadeva was a real person accepted by all authorities and any one can judge how wonderful he was to compile the Vedic literatures. He is therefore known as Mahamuni. Muni means thoughtful or great thinker or great poet and Maha means still greater. So there is no comparison with Vyasadeva with any writer or thinker or philosopher. Nobody can estimate the scholarly importance of Srila Vyasadeva. He composed many millions of Sanskrit verses and we are just trying to receive a fragmental knowledge out of them by our tiny efforts only. Srila Vyasadeva therefore summarized the whole Vedic knowledge in the shape of Srimad-Bhagavatam which is known as the ripened fruit of the desire tree known as Vedic knowledge. The ripened fruit is received hand to hand through disciplic succession and anyone who does this work in disciplic succession from Srila Vyasadeva is considered as representative of Vyasadeva and as such the bona fide Spiritual Master's Appearance Day is worshiped as Vyasa Puja. Not only that, the exalted seat on which the Spiritual Master sits is also called Vyasasana.

        In the Mayavadi Sampradaya they observe the Guru Purnima day to offer respect to the Spiritual Master. This system of offering respect to the Spiritual Master is current in all sections of Vedic followers, but so far we are the Gaudiya Sampradaya is concerned, we offer on the Appearance Day of the Spiritual Master our humble homage annually and this particular auspicious moment is called Vyasa Puja.

        I have received the painting of my Guru Maharaja. It is very nicely done. Please convey my thanks to the girl. I have immediately placed this painting on my Deity altar.

        Yes, this attitude of surrendering to the Spiritual Master is the best qualification of spreading this movement of Lord Caitanya. That is the Vedic way. One should have unflinching faith in Krsna and similarly in the Spiritual Master. That is the way of understanding the secret of Krsna Consciousness. Unfortunately, attempt has been made lately in our Society to shake this formula. This mischievous attempt has done a great harm, but if you the members of the Governing Body Commission can rectify this mischievous attempt, then still there is hope of making our progress uninterruptedly. I hope Krsna will help us.

        There are two verses in the Canakya Sloka how a family or an institution can be glorified or burned into ashes by one person. The Canakya Pandit says that if there is one tree in the forest producing nice aromatic flower, that one tree can glorify the whole forest by the flavor of its flower. Similarly if there is one tree in whose cavity there is a little fire, that one tree can burn into ashes the whole forest. So this simile is applicable anywhere. In a family if there is one good boy, he can glorify the whole family and similarly if there is bad boy he can turn the whole family into ashes. Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes. The Governing Body Commission's duty is therefore to see that every member is following the rules and regulations and chanting sixteen round regularly on the beads. I hope the GBC in cooperation with the Sannyasis in their touring program will be able to keep vigilance systematically in order to keep the Society as pure as possible.

        I hope this will meet you in good health.

        Your ever well-wisher,
        A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
        ACBS:ds

        https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/tokyo/august/25/1970/bali-mardana

      • NEU
        _____

        Re: ….whilst he is seated on the Vyasasan as the Founder and Acarya of ISKCON….

        6 months ago we started going slowly through the five volumes of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s transcendental letters with the intent of understanding, in greatest possible detail, the start and the expansion of the Movement and the first ‘steps’ of its Devotees in the infancy of spiritual life. We also want to trace out the where, how, who and when Kali entered.

        There was some Māyā with Kirtanananda (than already Sannyasi) during Śrīla Prabhupāda’s returning to India in 1967 when Śrīla Prabhupāda was very sick and was not sure if He would live to return to the US. Kirtanananda was with Him to to assist Śrīla Prabhupāda as a servant.

        Somehow that situation was rectified. Another incident shortly after was when Brahmananda started following Kirtanananda into Māyā. Śrīla Prabhupāda there and than in one letter praises the small brother of Brahmananda, Gargamuni, as to have prevented, saved and brought back Brahmananda from falling away further into illusion.

        The next years, until 1970, it appears a ‘kind of relatively smooth sailing’ due to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s constant vigilance, 24/7, leaving no loose ends, writing up to six inspiring letters each day in which He instantaneously is correcting course and steering the growing society to where He wants it to go. All the young devotees are giving their utmost (according to conviction & ability), with lots of money required to maintain the expanding number of temples $$$$$ the translation & printing of books and magazines $$$$$$ and distribution of the same and the organising of the planned World Sankirtana Party in January 1971 with about 40, mostly senior, Devotees. A tremendous endeavour with Śrīla Prabhupāda constantly and untiringly trouble shooting in all directions.

        Now Kali, finally, seems to have crept in as Śrīla Prabhupāda mentioned the first time in THIS letter to Bali-mardana, giving Him headaches and high blood pressure as he mentions in other letters that same August.

        Here in Volume 3 is this first letter in where Śrīla Prabhupāda explicitly and in great detail FIRST elaborates and explains the position of Srila Vyasadeva, the process of the Paramparā system, the meaning of Vyasa Puja, the exalted seat called Vyasasana and where the real bonafide spiritual Master comes in on this NAMELY:

        >>> the ripened fruit is received hand to hand through disciplic succession and anyone who does this work in disciplic succession from Srila Vyasadeva is considered as representative of Vyasadeva and as such the bona fide Spiritual Master’s Appearance Day is worshiped as Vyasa Puja. Not only that, the exalted seat on which the Spiritual Master sits is also called Vyasasana.<<<<

        m2c: one who has dropped the Mango deliberately , who has banged up the Mango intentionally and one who has destroyed the Mango purposely has consequently delivered an unrecognisable and inedible fruit – has not delivered the perfect massage as it should have been – cannot claim to be a representative of Srila Vyasadeva.

        _

        The following letter Śrīla Prabhupāda wrote from Tokyo, Japan on August 25, 1970 where He stayed for one month before going to India accompanied by 5 (newly created) Sannyasis and Tamal (he was a householder that time). In Japan He also had just created with them the GBC.

        THAN:
        Please note the last 2 sections in this letter and the two similes Śrīla Prabhupāda gives:

        ONE fire in a tree, meaning ONE person & ONE bad boy in the family =
        "Similarly in this institution if there IS A bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes".

        ONE, ONE, IS A – means ONE and singular DISCIPLE ( or He would have written …..there ARE SOME bad DISCIPLES)

        NOTE: no name mentioned (as of yet)

        *

        Letter to: Bali-mardana

        Tokyo
        25 August, 1970
        70-08-25

        New Vrndavana
        My Dear Bali Mardan,

        Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated nil and your reference to Srila Vyasadeva on this Vyasa Puja Day is very significant. Srila Vyasadeva is the original Spiritual Master for anyone who is following the Vedic way of spiritual realization.

        Spiritual Master is the representative of Vyasadeva because he carries the message of Vyasadeva throughout the world. As you know it very well that Vyasadeva compiled all Vedic literatures wonderfully. Sometimes so-called "realist'' philosophers do not believe that there was any person of the name Vyasadeva. Their opinion is that any person distributing the Vedic knowledge is called a Vyasadeva. This class of philosophers generally being impersonalists cannot appreciate how one man could write so many books. Actually it is astonishing.

        Before Vyasadeva, all the Vedic Scriptures were taught and received verbally by the disciplic succession. Both the students and the Spiritual Master of those ages were so sharp in their memory that once they heard the transcendental message from the Spiritual Master the message was immediately imprinted in their brain as vivid as a written language. For example, Sukadeva Gosvami was narrating Srimad-Bhagavatam extemporaneously. The whole Srimad-Bhagavatam, eighteen thousand verses, very difficult to pronounce even and what to speak of memorizing, were narrated very easily just like reading some printed book. He narrated the whole subject matter of Srimad-Bhagavatam continuously for seven days and Maharaja Pariksit also understood the subject matter very clearly. Both of them were so meritorious that they attained the highest goal of life, namely the Lotus Feet of Lord Sri Krsna simply by reciting and hearing respectively.

        Of course that time was just the moment when Kali, the predominating Deity of the present age, was peeping to infiltrate in the worldly affairs and later on it was complete through the exigency of an upstart brahmana boy. So Vyasadeva was a real person accepted by all authorities and any one can judge how wonderful he was to compile the Vedic literatures. He is therefore known as Mahamuni. Muni means thoughtful or great thinker or great poet and Maha means still greater. So there is no comparison with Vyasadeva with any writer or thinker or philosopher. Nobody can estimate the scholarly importance of Srila Vyasadeva. He composed many millions of Sanskrit verses and we are just trying to receive a fragmental knowledge out of them by our tiny efforts only. Srila Vyasadeva therefore summarized the whole Vedic knowledge in the shape of Srimad-Bhagavatam which is known as the ripened fruit of the desire tree known as Vedic knowledge. The ripened fruit is received hand to hand through disciplic succession and anyone who does this work in disciplic succession from Srila Vyasadeva is considered as representative of Vyasadeva and as such the bona fide Spiritual Master's Appearance Day is worshiped as Vyasa Puja. Not only that, the exalted seat on which the Spiritual Master sits is also called Vyasasana.

        In the Mayavadi Sampradaya they observe the Guru Purnima day to offer respect to the Spiritual Master. This system of offering respect to the Spiritual Master is current in all sections of Vedic followers, but so far we are the Gaudiya Sampradaya is concerned, we offer on the Appearance Day of the Spiritual Master our humble homage annually and this particular auspicious moment is called Vyasa Puja.

        I have received the painting of my Guru Maharaja. It is very nicely done. Please convey my thanks to the girl. I have immediately placed this painting on my Deity altar.

        Yes, this attitude of surrendering to the Spiritual Master is the best qualification of spreading this movement of Lord Caitanya. That is the Vedic way. One should have unflinching faith in Krsna and similarly in the Spiritual Master. That is the way of understanding the secret of Krsna Consciousness. Unfortunately, attempt has been made lately in our Society to shake this formula. This mischievous attempt has done a great harm, but if you the members of the Governing Body Commission can rectify this mischievous attempt, then still there is hope of making our progress uninterruptedly. I hope Krsna will help us.

        There are two verses in the Canakya Sloka how a family or an institution can be glorified or burned into ashes by one person. The Canakya Pandit says that if there is one tree in the forest producing nice aromatic flower, that one tree can glorify the whole forest by the flavor of its flower. Similarly if there is one tree in whose cavity there is a little fire, that one tree can burn into ashes the whole forest. So this simile is applicable anywhere. In a family if there is one good boy, he can glorify the whole family and similarly if there is bad boy he can turn the whole family into ashes. Similarly in this institution if there is a bad disciple he can burn the whole institution into ashes. The Governing Body Commission's duty is therefore to see that every member is following the rules and regulations and chanting sixteen round regularly on the beads. I hope the GBC in cooperation with the Sannyasis in their touring program will be able to keep vigilance systematically in order to keep the Society as pure as possible.

        I hope this will meet you in good health.

        Your ever well-wisher,
        A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
        ACBS:ds

        https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/tokyo/august/25/1970/bali-mardana

        • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

          Mohini Dasi says:

          Re: ….whilst he is seated on the Vyasasan as the Founder and Acarya of ISKCON….

          6 months ago we started going slowly through the five volumes of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s transcendental letters with the intent of understanding, in greatest possible detail, the start and the expansion of the Movement and the first ‘steps’ of its Devotees in the infancy of spiritual life. We also want to trace out the where, how, who and when Kali entered.

          There was some Māyā with Kirtanananda (than already Sannyasi) during Śrīla Prabhupāda’s returning to India in 1967 when Śrīla Prabhupāda was very sick and was not sure if He would live to return to the US. Kirtanananda was with Him to to assist Śrīla Prabhupāda as a servant.

          …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

          Kali came in the door AT THE ONSET! Most “initiates” (not devotees) who are attracted to Krishna are demons who want power and control, they are born into demonic families, THIS IS WHY THEY ARE GENDER-INVERTED! Gender-inversion is inter-generational and they are manifested within Freemasonry and other associated covert societies and deep state entities! THEY DON’T MAKE ANY SECRET OF THIS! BUT THIS IS CONVEYED THROUGH SYMBOLISM, GEMATRIA, MUDRAS, RITUAL GESTURES AND ‘THE REVELATION OF THE METHOD’

          Tamal Krishna’s explanation why it had ‘no male genitalia’ was that it had it removed in a hospital! Persons are still worshiping this fake ‘poisoner of Srila Prabhupada’ (especially in New Zealand which (second to Israel) has the largest proportion of wackos, benders and degenerates!

          In ISKCON Germany Dina Sharana “mataji” is being glorified! (ISKCON NEWS WEBSITE) but Dina is a ‘WITCH’ and photographed ‘offering an apple!’ THIS IS A MOCKING GESTURE! AND AND ONE OF MANY EXAMPLES OF THE ‘REVELATION OF THE METHOD!’ THIS “WORSHIP” REQUIRES ‘CONSENT’ THIS IS WHY THIS MYSTICAL ‘DRAG QUEEN’ IS SO AMUSED!, AS ONLY SOMEONE WHO IS COMPLETELY STUPID, WOULD FALL “UNDER IT’S SPELL!”

          UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS WORLD THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF DUPES AND VICTIMS!

        • The letter to Bali Mardan written in Tokyo 25th of August 1970 was the first of this kind addressing the issue as:

          “This mischievous attempt has done a great harm, but if you the members of the Governing Body Commission can rectify this mischievous attempt, than still there is hope of making progress uninterruptedly….”

          Yes, as rightly pointed out by Pariksit Prabhu, there were always problems with Kirtanananda right from the beginning in 1967/68, which somehow were smoothed out and he did eventually come around again and finally started developing New Vrndhavan. This now is another ball-game as the opponents have infiltrated the society as will be seen by Śrīla Prabhupāda’s assessments.

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          Next:

          On the 29th of August Śrīla Prabhupāda arrives in Calcutta. 4 days later Śrīla Prabhupāda writes from Calcutta on September 2nd, 1970 the following famous letter to Hamsaduta:

          “…Regarding the poisonous effect in our Society, it is a fact and I know where from this poison tree has sprung up and how it affected practically the whole Society in a very dangerous form. But it does not matter. Prahlada Maharaja was administered poison, but it did not act. Similarly Lord Krsna and the Pandavas were administered poison and it did not act. I think in the same parampara system that the poison administered to our Society will not act if some of our students are as good as Prahlada Maharaja. I have therefore given the administrative power to the Governing Body Commission.

          I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked. I do not know what was resolved in New Vrindavan although Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu has informed others that he has sent a tape in this connection. I am still in darkness about the proceedings in New Vrndavana, but I have heard that Brahmananda is preaching about me that I am Krsna, that I am Supersoul, that I have withdrawn my mercy from the disciples, that I have left the Society and so on. I do not know how far they are correct, but I have written him a letter that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the Society. You are also one of the members of the GBC, so you can think over very deeply how to save the situation. It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society. I have not heard anything from Krsna das or Syamasundara., so all of you may try to save the Society from this dangerous position….”

          https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/02/1970/hamsaduta

          As of now we have a name, and No, it is not Kirtanananda. The other thing is that Śrīla Prabhupāda says in this letter that He wrote a letter to Brahmananda:

          “…but I have written a letter to him that he may not do something which may harm the interest of the society.”

          Note: I cannot find this letter, anyone please fill me in with regards to this letter (otherwise one must assume that this important letter was removed/hidden/missing)

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          Next:

          On the 9th of September Śrīla Prabhupāda writes from Calcutta to Bhavananda:

          “…India. I am receiving also many other letters which are not very encouraging in the matter of the activities of the four Sannyasis, so in Calcutta we have come and last Saturday, the 29th August, there was very nice reception at the airport. So at the present moment I am in mixed up condition both encouraging and discouraging…..”

          https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/09/1970/bhavananda?d=1

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          Next:

          September 13th, 1970 Śrīla Prabhupāda writes to Karandhara:

          “….Regarding the four Sannyasis, I have already written to them in care of the Detroit temple requesting them to not preach anything which may hamper the growth of our Society. But I have not received any reply from them. Please try to help these boys and advise them on my behalf not to waste time in such fruitless endeavor. I hope in the meantime I shall receive their reply by the grace of Krsna….”

          https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/13/1970/karandhara?d=1

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          Next:

          On the 13th of September, 1970 Śrīla Prabhupāda answers a letter from Satsvarupa:

          “…I am receiving many astounding letters regarding the new propaganda work by our four Sannyasis. I do not know why these boys are doing such nonsense and wasting their time. I received their letter from Detroit about a week ago and I have replied them duly intimating therein that instead of wasting time in that way let them work constructively. Please advise them on my behalf not to waste time in such fruitless endeavor. I hope I shall receive their reply by the grace of Krsna in the meantime.
          Now I have invested the GBC for maintaining the standard of our Krsna Consciousness Society, so keep the GBC very vigilant. I have already given you full directions in my books. Please counteract this contamination which has been spread throughout our Society…..

          AND:

          “I am very glad to know, that you are not affected by the propaganda of the Sannyasis that I am displeased with all the members of the society –
          I am never displeased with any member.”

          https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/13/1970/satsvarupa?d=1

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          Next:

          Letter to Hayagriva 14th September, 1970:

          “….I am very glad to know that the GBC is actively working to rectify the subversive situation which has been weakening the very foundation of our Society. All you members of the GBC please always remain very vigilant in this connection so that our society’s growth may go on unimpeded by such poisonous elements. Your preaching in New Vrndavana as well as intensified study of our literatures with seriousness is very much encouraging. Please continue this program with vigor and reestablish the solidity of our movement.

          From the very beginning I was strongly against the impersonalists and all my books are stressed on this point. So my oral instruction as well as my books are all at your service. Now you GBC consult them and get clear and strong idea, then there will be no disturbance. Disturbance is caused by ignorance; where there is no ignorance, there is no disturbance. The four Sannyasis may bark, but still the caravan will pass. There is every evidence that they are influenced by some of my fourth-class Godbrothers.

          Regarding India, first of all I am trying to fix up a center in Calcutta and then I shall call you as your presence is needed. In the meantime go on constructing New Vrndavana.

          If there is opportunity, try to convince these rascal Sannyasis who are misled by fourth-class men that if they at all want to have a change of leadership why do they not select a better leader than at present moment. What is the use of finding out a fourth-class leader who has no asset as their background. I am simply sorry that such intelligent boys are misusing their brain-substance in this way. Try to rectify them as far as possible. Isana Das has inquired from Tamala regarding Tirtha Maharaja. I do not know what is the sequence of this inquiry, but it is clear that there is a great clique and the so-called Sannyasis are the via media of spreading contamination in our Society. It is a very sorry plight.

          Hope this will meet you in good health.
          Your ever well-wisher,
          A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami

          https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/14/1970/hayagriva?d=1

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          Note:

          In these 6 letters (incl. Bali Mardans), in a span of 2 1/2 weeks, we see what Śrīla Prabhupāda sees:

          “DISTURBANCE IS CAUSED BY IGNORANCE, WHERE THERE IS NO IGNORANCE THERE IS NO DISTURBANCE”

          “THERE IS EVERY EVIDENCE THAT THEY INFLUENCED BY SOME OF MY FOURTH-CLASS GOD-BROTHERS….”

          “THAT THERE IS GREAT CLIQUE AND THE SO-CALLED SANNYASIS ARE THE VIA MEDIA OF SPREADING CONTAMINATION IN OUR SOCIETY”

          Tamal is with Śrīla Prabhupāda in Calcutta and his name is mentioned in this letter too in regards to Tirtha Maharaja.

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          One will see how this continues. No doubt, Śrīla Prabhupāda is shouting from the top of the roof (the house is on fire). As evident from all letters, when Śrīla Prabhupāda asked them for help, right from the beginning, in 1965, the question is why (and we know the answers), the Gaudia Math had joined the Indian Government in being antagonistic to Srila Prabhupada mission and, YES, this being the case……..let’s see what will be revealed from Srila Prabhupada’s transcendental vision in these letters in regards to our c*$# “theories”……… as one knows, all Fourth-Class men are up for sale.

          • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

            BV Narayana was gender-inverted and always taking about the third sex!, so this is LGBTQ(XYZ) talk! same nonsense coming through Western media. This is why Gopi Bhava Club put their faith in BV Narayana! (kindred spirits) I have already ‘transvestigated’ these personalities Tamal, Shivarama, Giriraja, Dhanudhar, BB Govinda, Indradyumna, Puranjana, Jadurani etc etc

            ONE HAS TO UNDERSTAND NESCIENCE AND TRANSCENDENCE ‘SIDE BY SIDE’ as stated in the Sri Isopanishad Mantra 11 “NOT JUST TRANSCENDENCE” TO THEM YOU ARE AN “OUTSIDER” AS IT IS AN EXCLUSIVE CLUB! THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THEM!

            NESCIENCE IS DARKNESS (DISGUISED AS LIGHT) THIS IS FREEMASONRY (THE # 33) THAT IS WHY THERE ARE 33 in GBC (GENDER BENDER CLUB) AND 2 DRAG QUEENS (TO MAKE THEM LOOK INCLUSIVE!) THIS IS WHY THE TEMPLE FLOOR IS A CHEQUERBOARD! FREEMASONS CONTROL EVERYTHING!

            YOU SAY “.let’s see what will be revealed from Srila Prabhupada’s transcendental vision in these letters in regards to our c*$# “theories”…… PRABHUPADA DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT THIS! IF HE KNEW TAMAL WAS GENDER-INVERTED THEN WHY DID HE AWARD TAMAL (AND MANY OTHERS) THE ORDER OF SANNYAS? AND WHY DID SRILA PRABHUPADA PERFORM TAMAL’S ‘GENDER-INVERTED’ MARRIAGE CEREMONY? (AND OTHERS ALSO!) ………. THINK ABOUT IT!

            • Waldemar says:

              Śrimad-Bhagavatam 5.18.19

              PURPORT

              In this verse, Lakṣmīdevī (Ramā) shows compassion toward women who worship the Lord for the benediction of possessing a good husband. Although such women desire to be happy with children, wealth, a long duration of life and everything dear to them, they cannot possibly do so. In the material world, a so-called husband is dependent on the control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There are many examples of a woman whose husband, being dependent on the result of his own fruitive actions, cannot maintain his wife, her children, her wealth or her duration of life. Therefore, factually the only real husband of all women is Kṛṣṇa, the supreme husband. Because the gopīs were liberated souls, they understood this fact. Therefore they rejected their material husbands and accepted Kṛṣṇa as their real husband. Kṛṣṇa is the real husband not only of the gopīs, but of every living entity. Everyone should perfectly understand that Kṛṣṇa is the real husband of all living entities, who are described in the Bhagavad-gītā as prakṛti (female), not puruṣa (male). In Bhagavad-gītā (10.12), only Kṛṣṇa is addressed as puruṣa:

              paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma
              pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān
              puruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyam
              ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum

              “You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty.”
              Kṛṣṇa is the original puruṣa, and the living entities are prakṛti. Thus Kṛṣṇa is the enjoyer, and all living entities are meant to be enjoyed by Him. Therefore any woman who seeks a material husband for her protection, or any man who desires to become the husband of a woman, is under illusion. To become a husband means to maintain a wife and children nicely by supplying wealth and security. However, a material husband cannot possibly do this, for he is dependent on his karma. Karmaṇā-daiva-netreṇa: his circumstances are determined by his past fruitive activities. Therefore if one proudly thinks he can protect his wife, he is under illusion. Kṛṣṇa is the only husband, and therefore the relationship between a husband and wife in this material world cannot be absolute. Because we have the desire to marry, Kṛṣṇa mercifully allows the so-called husband to possess a wife, and the wife to possess a so-called husband, for mutual satisfaction. In the Īśopaniṣad it is said, tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā: the Lord provides everyone with his quota. Actually, however, every living entity is prakṛti, or female, and Kṛṣṇa is the only husband.

              ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya
              yāre yaiche nācāya, se taiche kare nṛtya
              (Cc. Ādi 5.142)

              Kṛṣṇa is the original master or husband of everyone, and all other living entities, having taken the form of so-called husbands, or wives, are dancing according to His desire. A so-called husband may unite with his wife for sense gratification, but his senses are conducted by Hṛṣīkeśa, the master of the senses, who is therefore the actual husband.

              Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5/18/19

          • 19th September 1970

            …Yes, you are correct that that anything outside of Krishna Consciousness is insanity, and I am glad that you are realizing it more and more. Similarly I have been getting letters from Karandhara, Rupanuga, and Hayagriva telling how they are feeling new assurance in Krishna Consciousness. So if our GBC members remain strong, strictly following the regulative principles, everything will be all right….

            https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/19/1970/bhagavan?d=1

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            21st September 1970

            …Lately there has been some misunderstanding amongst our devotees about our Krishna Consciousness philosophy. Particularly there has been some confusion about the relationship between the Spiritual Master and Krishna. The Vedas say that there is a Master Krishna. This Servant Krishna is the Spiritual Master and this is the conclusion. The Spiritual Master is the Mercy Representative of the Supreme Lord and as such He is given honor as good as Krishna, but He is never identical with Krishna. Perhaps you know the picture of Madhvacarya, one of the great Acaryas in our line, who is holding two fingers up to indicate Krishna and jiva. The impersonalists hold up one finger because their idea is that everything is one. So if we make the Spiritual Master identical with Krishna, then we will also become impersonalists. If we say that our Spiritual Master is Krishna, then the conclusion is that if we become Spiritual Master some day, then we will also become Krishna. Please try to understand how dangerous this kind of reasoning is.

            In my books I have tried to explain clearly this simultaneously one and different philosophy acinta beda beda tattva propounded by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. But sometimes it happens that this philosophy is given a self-interested interpretation. As soon as personal motivation comes in it is not possible for one to understand our Krishna Consciousness philosophy.

            You have both been very nice devotees and I would like you both to continue to make nice advancement. So please patch up any crack that may have come between yourself and ISKCON. As husband and wife you must always remain together and raise your daughter in Krishna Consciousness. I would like you to go back to New Vrndavana and fix up a nice living place for yourselves and help to develop the New Vrndavana scheme. Our ISKCON should be taken as being a family based upon love and trust, so as the father becomes unhappy when one of his children wishes to break family connections I also become unhappy when there is difficulties within our ISKCON family. So please do not consider leaving as you are spiritual children of mine.

            https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/21/1970/isana/vibhavati?d=1

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            22nd September 1970

            ….I can show you how we are giving publicity to the Birthsite of Lord Caitanya. Perhaps you know that I begged from His Holiness Sripada TirthaMaharaja a little piece of land at Mayapur for constructing a home for my Western disciples, but he refused the proposal. Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura wanted that the American and European devotees would come to Mayapur and the prophecy is now fulfilled. Unfortunately they are loitering in the streets of Calcutta without having a suitable place at Mayapur. Do you think it is alright?….

            https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/22/1970/govinda_maharaja?d=1

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            25th September 1970

            ….I have just received one letter from Brahmananda Maharaja and one from Gargamuni Maharaja sent from Florida. I have replied them in care of you and you can forward their letters to their respective addresses. Books and magazines which they may require may not be restricted. I hope you understand the spirit of my letters addressed to them and try to bring them back to the service of Krsna.

            I am very pleased that you all GBC members are remaining vigilant so that the disturbance in our Society may not continue. In Isana and his wife’s letters there is reference to Tirtha Maharaja’s name, as if they were advised by Brahmananda Maharaja and company to come to India and join Tirtha Maharaja. It appears like that. I shall be glad if you kindly inquire on this point. It is now clear that my Godbrothers take objection of my being called as Prabhupada and on this point they wanted to poison the whole Society—that is now clear. But how it was manipulated—that is a mystery.

            https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/25/1970/rupanuga?d=1

            • Letter to: Advaita

              Calcutta
              7 October, 1970
              70-10-07
              Boston

              My Dear Advaita,
              Please accept my blessings. I understand you have left and it is a thunderbolt for me. How is that?
              What are your demands? Or have you also been contaminated? Please tell me frankly. Where is your wife and child? If there is any disagreement with your Godbrothers, you may live separately. That doesn’t matter. If there is any severe misunderstanding, I request you to come to India and live with me and start a press here.
              I shall await your reply with great anxiety. Please let me know everything in detail by return mail.
              Your ever well-wisher,
              A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
              ACBS:ds

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/october/07/1970/advaita

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              Letter to: Gargamuni

              Bombay
              27 October, 1970
              70-10-27

              Buffalo
              My Dear Gargamuni Maharaja,
              Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated October 1st, 1970 and have noted the contents carefully. In regards to why you have been branded as Mayavadi sannyasi by society members, that is because you are identifying the Spiritual Master as God. We always represent ourselves as servant of God and you are preaching contrary. The Spiritual Master should be given respect of God but that doesn’t mean he is God. That is Mayavadi. You should always remember that the Spiritual Master is the representative of God and should be given the respect of God but that doesn’t mean that he is God Himself! You can speak of the Spiritual Master as “servant God” whereas Krishna is “master God”. I think this is sufficient to clear the idea.

              Regarding Swami Tirtha, this is just a rumor because in the past there where such symptoms. Now you should forget about the past, and go forward straight for preaching this Krishna Consciousness Movement. Before preaching of your Spiritual Master as God, you never consulted me whether it was right. This means you were inspired by some external influence. Subala said that it was a mystic influence. Why that was wasn’t cleared up until now. That mystic influence was widely spread which I clearly saw in Honolulu, Tokyo or in other words, wherever Brahmananda went. Now we have to forget the past incidences and shall have to go forward with clear consciousness.

              Regarding punishment, there is no punishment upon you. Rather, there is reward. You have been awarded Sannyas so you have the best opportunity to serve Krishna by preaching His glories. Why punishment? Before taking Sannyas, I told you that you may remain a brahmacari because management in L.A. was with you. Now you have voluntarily taken sannyasa. You may take advantage of this opportunity and preach this Krishna cult and expand missionary activities. Do it sincerely. For my disciples there is no punishment. There is no need for that. One who preaches Krishna Consciousness is supposed to be glorious. Directly write me and I will give you instructions how you can go on preaching. I hope this meets you in good health.
              Your ever well-wisher,
              A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
              ACBS:ds

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/october/27/1970/gargamuni?d=1

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              Oktober 28th 1970

              ….In regards to how Swami Tirtha’s name came up, and so many other things, forget all these past incidences. Let us now work with new life and new vigor. That your confidence in Subala Swami has been restored is nice. Actually they are all nice boys but maya has made them something else. In the course of time, they’ll all become nice again….

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/october/28/1970/rupanuga?d=1

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              NOVEMBER 1970

              ….Regarding Brahmananda, he is actually surrendered soul, but Maya is so strong that on account of association he has even fallen down. So these two things are always side by side—Maya and Krsna—Krsna is service and Maya is sense gratification, so every moment we are prone to be subjugated by either of them. Our duty is therefore to be very, very careful. The poison is personal ambition. So everyone has the chance, therefore one should not be complacent. Doubts may come about, but one should be firmly fixed up that there cannot be any doubt on the Spiritual Master or Krsna.

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/november/01/1970/satyabhama?d=1

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              … I think you and Visnujana Swami should remain and open as many temples as you can, especially in Florida. I have asked Brahmananda Swami to join me because I think he is feeling in too much despair, so as soon as he is able, He can join me. In writing this letter to you, I think I have answered Visnujana Swami’s points that he has written in his letter….

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/november/04/1970/gargamuni?d=1

              …..I have just now received a letter from Brahmananda Maharaja, one from Gargamuni Maharaja, and one from Visnujana Maharaja. From his letter I think that Brahmananda is feeling discouraged and not very enthusiastic. So I am asking him to come to India and live with me. In the meantime Gargamuni and Visnujana can work together for establishing a nice temple in Coconut Grove, near Miami, Florida, and that will please me very much. Please go on opening thousands of centers all over the world….

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/november/04/1970/rupanuga?d=1

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          • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

            Yes! the Gaudiya Math was infested by gender-inverted Freemasons (BV Tirtha and BV Bon, to name a few). THIS IS WHY THEY TEAM UP WITH GENDER-INVERTED FREEMASON INDIAN GOVERNMENT! WHO WORSHIP GENDER-INVERTED KRISHNAMURTHY, VIVEKANANDA ETC. “TO TRY AND DESTROY SRILA PRABHUPADA’S MISSION!”

            What you are saying Mohini Mataji Prabhu is very true!

            THIS IS THE REAL DISEASE!

            • ….One must find some time for hearing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Bhagavad-gītā. This is Vedic culture. One should work eight hours at the most to earn his livelihood, and either in the afternoon or in the evening a householder should associate with devotees to hear about the incarnations of Kṛṣṇa and His activities and thus be gradually liberated from the clutches of māyā. However, INSTEAD of finding time to hear about Kṛṣṇa, the householders, after working hard in offices and factories, find time to go to a restaurant or a CLUB where instead of hearing about Kṛṣṇaand His activities they are very much pleased to HEAR ABOUT THE POLITICAL ACTIVITIES OF DEMONS AND NONDEVOTEES AND TO ENJOY SEX, WINE, WOMAN AND MEAT and in this way waste their time. This is not gṛhastha life, but demoniac life..

              https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/14/3-4

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              Yes,

              It than follows that all the perversions and transgressions of “normal, decent human behaviour” according to Shastra are the excesses of wealth: sex, meat, intoxication and gambling. What used to be only for the rich and wealthy has been made “free” available through the use of scientific advancement in the form of internet, mobiles etc. to the ignorant masses WORLDWIDE. It has become a measure of control for the powerful and wealthy to control governments who in turn than can dumb everyone down by controlling their eating, their eyes and ears and consequently their thoughts in a devastating direction by serving them up all kinds of whims, including pornography. Just like the Opium war in China, where everyone was lying stoned in all corners. All opposition was in this way cancelled and the aggressors could march in unhindered. So much for brilliant warfare, the strategically best wars are won without firing one shot. Woman and old men don’t fight and the rest was incapacitated by Opium; similarly, all and I mean ALL are spellbound by the RING on their finger as we have seen the past 5 years, which, btw, were a grand success for the club.

  10. Pariksit Das says:

    Srila Prabhupada: …Kirtanananda is a crazy man. That is proved. He says that he has become equal to the spiritual master but he is such a fool that he does not understand the principle of disciple even in ordinary worldly affairs. Even if one becomes equal to the spiritual master in education and knowledge, still one has to maintain the disciplinary principle of obeying one chief man in any establishment. If such discipline is not maintained, no establishment can make any progress. Letter to Rayarama — Calcutta 9 November, 1967:

    It is clear that he has become crazy & he should once more be sent to Bellevue. He was in Bellevue before & with great difficulty & with the help of Mr. Ginsberg we got him out. But it appears that he has developed his madness again, therefore if he is not sent to Bellevue then at least he should be stopped from speaking such nonsense. It is clear from his activities that he has been attacked by maya; he is a victim. We shall pray to Krishna for his recovery but we cannot allow him to speak on my behalf.

    Please therefore stop Kirtanananda from making his mental concoctions. This is very much disturbing to me & has caused me much pain. Do not be misled by him. I have never advised him to act like that. If he is causing such disturbances he should not be allowed to indulge in such nonsensical activities. I have already written you to inform you that somehow or other he has become crazy; otherwise he would not have disobeyed me to go directly to N.Y.

    For the time being he has cut all link with me, therefore any instruction given by him is unauthorized & should at once be rejected. He has no right to dictate as he has without my sanction. Whatever is to be done will be executed when I return. He is too much puffed-up nonsensically therefore you should copy this letter & forward to all centers that Kirtanananda has no right to dictate anything to the Society in this way. I am very sorry that he is exploiting his present position as a sannyasi. I have no objection if members of the Society dress like nice American gentlemen; but in all circumstances a devotee cannot avoid tilak, flag on head, & beads on neck. These are essential features of a Vaisnava.

    https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Training_of_Kirtanananda_dasa_(Letters,_1967)

  11. Waldemar says:

    Mi się ten link otwiera.

    This link opens for me.

  12. Waldemar says:

    Śrimad-Bhagavatam 7.8.40

    PURPORT

    The activities of the Lord are always wonderful. His personal servants Jaya and Vijaya were confidential friends, yet they were cursed, and they accepted bodies of demons. Again, in the family of one such demon, Prahlāda Mahārāja was caused to take birth to exhibit the behavior of an exalted devotee, and then the Lord accepted the body of Nṛsiṁhadeva to kill that same demon, who by the Lord’s own will had taken birth in a demoniac family. Therefore, who can understand the Lord’s transcendental activities? Not to speak of understanding the transcendental activities of the Lord, no one can understand even the activities of His servants. In Caitanya-caritāmṛta (Madhya 23.39) it is said, tāṅra vākya, kriyā, mudrā vijñeha nā bhujhaya: no one can understand the activities of the Lord’s servants. Therefore, what to speak of the activities of the Lord? Who can understand how Kṛṣṇa is benefiting the entire world? The Lord is addressed as duranta-śakti because no one can understand His potencies and how He acts.

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  13. Waldemar says:

    19.07.2022 r. zapisałem sobie w zeszycie notatkę :

    Na podstawie tego co powiedział Śrila Prabhupada :

    Demony należy ignorować.
    Demony należy unikać.
    Są niepożądanymi gośćmi !
    Są niechcianymi gośćmi !
    Unikaj karmienia ich.
    Odejdą !
    Pamiętaj !
    Unikaj karmienia ich !

    Źródło : Post Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu

    On July 19, 2022, I jotted down a note in my notebook:

    Based on what Srila Prabhupada said:

    Demons should be ignored.
    Demons should be avoided.
    They are unwanted guests!
    They are unwanted guests!
    Avoid feeding them.
    They will go away!
    Remember!
    Avoid feeding them!

    Source: Post by Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu

  14. Waldemar says:

    Czy przez złość i gniew na demony karmi się ich ?

    Is it through anger and rage against demons that they are fed ?

  15. Waldemar says:

    Czy złość karmi demony ?

    Does anger feed demons ?

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      The demons’ power is one of DECEPTION! So only when the demons are exposed can the DECEIVED reclaim their intelligence!

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