Krishnakant, editor Back To Prabhupada: When you take what Srila Prabhupada has given us, and try to superimpose on it our own desires, a fiasco emerges, ultimately rendering our attempts to serve Srila Prabhupada deviant and useless. We have already given some examples of this in previous BTP issues:
a) First it was fabricated that Srila Prabhupada wanted 11 gurus instead of 11 ritviks (officiating priests), and mass degradation and deviation followed.
b) Then it was fabricated that everyone can become guru due to the “law of disciplic succession”, only then the law had to be reversed so literally everyone could become guru, including ‘grand-disciples.’
c) Srila Prabhupada continuing to remain the diksa (initiating) Guru of ISKCON is opposed on the basis of historical precedence, and yet at the same time to justify how ISKCON is run it is said tradition is irrelevant because ISKCON itself is unprecedented.
d) To allow for ISKCON gurus falling down as being no big deal, it is stated they are not absolute. But at the same time they must be worshipped as if they are absolute, “as good-as- God”.
e) To fend off rival “living” gurus from the Gaudiya Matha it is stated that Srila Prabhupada is enough for one’s spiritual life, but to promote “living” gurus from ISKCON, it is stated Srila Prabhupada is not enough.
And so on.
This comedy of errors comes full circle when we look at the acrobatic somersaults the GBC engage in to justify how ISKCON diksa gurus are naturally subordinate within a GBC structure.
Unless otherwise indicated, all quotes in the panels below are from current GBC member, and ex-GBC chairman, Praghosa Das (“PD”), excerpted from an article he wrote discussing the role of ISKCON gurus being subordinate to the GBC, posted on the GBC- funded website Dandavats. com on June 1st, 2009.
Somersault 1
“In the case of both Srila Prabhupada and also Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, their wish was that all members of their institutions would subordinate themselves to the authority of an administrative, managerial body. […] So diksa is a service but it should not automatically mean that one doing that service gains independent authority, no, rather they remain a servant under the authority structure of the institution.”
On the back page of this issue we will see that in practice this means that diksa gurus are subject to disciplinary action by the GBC. Yet Srila Prabhupada has taught the opposite, that no diksa guru can ever be treated like this, and to do so is a great offense:
“It is also an offense to consider an empowered Vaisnava an object of disciplinary action. It is offensive to try to give him advice or to correct him.”
(Nectar of Instruction, Text 6, purport)
Hence immediately it can be proven that it is not possible for a diksa guru to be under the authority of a management body.
Somersault 2
“The other issue it raises is the issue of authority, devotees serving as guru in ISKCON are not the ultimate authority as would be the case in the traditional vedic setting. This of course is something that not only the gurus have to embrace but also something the disciples have to understand as well.”
This state of affairs, whereby the diksa guru is subordinate to the authority of the GBC, is rendered even more absurd when one considers that the disciples of these diksa gurus may themselves well be members of the GBC, as is currently the case, with PD himself being one such example. Yet the whole raison d’être of the guru-disicple relationship is to have disciples subordinate to the guru, not gurus possibly subordinate to their GBC disciples!
Somersault 3
“Sometimes in our society an authority like a temple president may request a devotee serving in their temple to do a particular service and often the devotee will respond with “Oh I need to check with my guru first”. This type of understanding can severely inhibit the mission of ISKCON and if allowed to flourish could lead to its break up.”
So the whole basis of the need for a “living guru”, as argued by the GBC, that he is required to give guidance to his disciple, would now actually lead to ISKCON being severely inhibited and breaking up, if the disciple actually sought this guidance!
Somersault 4
“The question could be raised; “If diksa gives the guru some kind of extraordinary position or authority within the institution, and that diksa is based on siksa, that means that anyone who is giving guidance and instruction to others (siksa), would have some type of independent authority by dint of the fact that they’re also giving siksa. If that was the case we would really have anarchy and chaos on a large scale.”
We already had such a system whereby the diksa guru had an
extraordinary position or authority, and it worked perfectly, and was the system Srila Prabhupada gave us in ISKCON when he was present, with siksa gurus able to work perfectly in harmony with this all-powerful diksa guru, Srila Prabhupada:
“The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter, 4/8/1975)
So the only anarchy here is PD suggesting that a system Srila Prabhupada gave could possibly result in anarchy. Only the system has to have Srila Prabhupada as the all-powerful diksa Guru, and the GBC subordinate to him. Not dozens of unauthorized gurus somehow artificially squeezed into being subordinate to the GBC.
Somersault 5
“In essence that instruction is that ISKCON’s gurus are not invested with the prerogative of being the ultimate authority within the institution, rather they are also a servant like all other members of ISKCON. Their service is to give diksa, everyone else can, and are, to one degree or another, giving siksa as a service and they also should be giving siksa as generally diksa is based on siksa.”
What PD is proposing entails that we need an order from Srila Prahupada “investing” individuals with the service of:
a) Acting as successor diksa gurus.
b) But also being diksa gurus who will not have the standard ultimate authority that a diksa guru by definition possesses, an entity never spoken of by Srila Prabhupada.
So PD has just gone and raised the bar even much further, since in the last 32 years the GBC have not even been able to produce a); so it’s going to be even harder to produce an order from Srila Prabhupada, combining both a) and b)!
Somersault 6
“However as we know that is not the model given to us by Srila Prabhupada and as ISKCON is the institution of Srila Prabhupada, in essence the devotees serving as gurus within ISKCON are first and foremost initiating devotees into the institution of their spiritual master. This is a subtle but significant difference from the traditional guru disciple relationship.”
The somersaults now become even more bizarre in PD’s attempt to justify this clearly unnatural state of affairs. He now proposes a never before heard of concept, akin to “semi-ritvik”. The ISKCON diksa gurus neither primarily initiate disciples into being their disciples, as is the standard; nor as disciples of Srila Prabhupada, as in the ritvik system Srila Prabhupada set up for ISKCON. Rather, they go for a half-way house, whereby the disciples are initiated not as the disciples of any guru, but rather into an impersonal institution. This PD tells us is a “significant difference from the traditional guru disciple relationship.” Alas, this was not something taught or practised by Srila Prabhupada.
Somersault 7
“It is interesting to note the voluminous instructions from Srila Prabhupada on many many subjects, including how ISKCON should function, mirrored against some of his thoughts on initiation.”
It is interesting to note the voluminous instructions from Srila Prabhupada on many subjects do not include even a whisper at all about successor diksa gurus who will have none of the standard powers of diksa gurus and be subordinate to the GBC.
Somersault 8
“As ISKCON moves forward it is vital that all devotees associated with it understand clearly its authority structure.”
This will be difficult since after 32 years, such a structure still has not been clearly defined, with various committees still trying to figure out how exactly these “parallel lines of authority” can work in practice. This is only to be expected, since Srila Prabhupada never gave such a system or stated how it could even work in theory. Rather, as shown above, it is like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Hence after 32 years the committees still can’t figure out how to do it, since it can’t be done, nor was it meant to be done.
The reality
1) The points made above prove that a diksa guru is not supposed to be subordinate to the GBC.
2) We know that Srila Prabhupada left the GBC as the “ultimate managing authority” for ISKCON as given in the first line of his Last Will and Testament.
3) The very next line of the Will states “The system of management will continue as it is now and there is no need of any change.” And that system had been in place since 1970, with the GBC subordinate to the diksa Guru, Srila Prabhupada.
2) means that if the GBC do want to create successor diksa gurus in ISKCON, they are forced to try and make them subordinate to themselves. 1) however means this cannot be done.
Conclusion
1) What Srila Prabhupada actually gave as the management structure of ISKCON – a GBC subordinate to the all-powerful diksa guru (Srila Prabhupada), the system given by Srila Prabhupada for ISKCON since 1970 – is based on the role of the diksa guru as described by Srila Prabhupada, and it is what Srila Prabhupada ordered should remain as the permanent management system for ISKCON.
2) What the current GBC propose – having diksa gurus subordinate to them – was not ordered by Srila Prabhupada, but also is so full of so many inherent contradictions that it collapses upon itself.
Therefore the very existence of a GBC set up by Srila Prabhupada to manage ISKCON on his behalf is itself evidence that no successor diksa gurus were ordered by Srila Prabhupada. This conclusion is proven in much further detail in an academically reviewed paper called The False Dawn of Guru Reform, which can be found here:
As ISKCON moves forward it is vital that all devotees associated with it understand clearly its authority structure – it is a madhouse! What a self made goal, and reasoning for an allegedly spiritual institution. This is a butchery of the soul. Soul killers, i am sorry to say this, but this is so obvious deviation, it is thousend times worse than the Catholic Church!
They refuse to accept the “DOM”, where everything about ISKCON authority structure is so clear. Why simply not to retrive the goals which were setled up by the ISKCON Founder and its solely Acarya, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada? Are they not really vital for the entire World? There is no hope for “ISKCON” under this corrupt false, selfmade “GBC” clique.
My genuine guru is a completely self realised soul a living master who walks this earth. I would say three things were presence when I took my initiation it had the effect of me being born again starting a new life, getting divine bliss
I feel very connected and my chanting is perfect without having to accept second best or taking a chance was something that doesn’t work.
Initiating ceremony three persons were present
1. the soul of the initiated that me
2. the soul of the initiating my guru
3. the third person who is invisible in the form of the Super Soul is God Almighty
And now every day and I communicate with God
Who is dictating a conversation in my heart and my witnessing power has greatly improved a quantum leap in realisation regarding loving feelings and clear actions
I am the divine witness and God is the super divine witness even if my guru passes away tomorrow it would be of little consequences unless for some reason I was disconnected from the process all together and got enlightened eternal life.
Speaking of transcendental meditation and devotion my guru intends to stay around for a long time in suitable concealment your first step in his direction is friendship without it nothing can happen this friendship as to be of mutual benefit and you must reciprocates honestly if you don’t God Almighty will tell him you’re a fake you have to qualify, my guru is not interested in thousands of followers and money or fame and has no intentions of saving the world or offering you a Utopia or solution to fix all your problems in life.
Theoretical study on its own is not enough, He has to look at your previous births carefully and ascertain where you can start at the correct level according to your cosmic evolution
It is true there history lesson in Vedic philosophy can be entertaining but ultimately without having a personal relationship to God Almighty without having any testimony or personal revelation proves that you do not experienced anything if you’re feeling vacant that because your relationship is not working.
By the divine grace of the super Soul God Almighty is all powerful if you’re looking for a false guru goe somewhere else there is plenty on this poisonous planet
In retrospect you probably haven’t learnt anything, having been short changed by your own dis honesty and somebody else’s delusions of pretending to be God
It is virtually impossible for conditioned soul to recognise
a genuine liberated being one whom sits at the feet of God Almighty usually followers come along and the status quo dictates approval people form opinions of personal preference acting in a sheepish way people expect to see a lot of people bowing down and all the paraphernalia rituals their expectations are too illusionary the Kingdom of God is inside the temple is in your heart people get mixed up in external things and create organise religion
my guru says give up all varieties of religion, because religion is a fashionable thing you wear a uniform you except to dogma a leader a hierarchy and the historical book and I am not dismissing the theoretical knowledge that is available to be used properly and as for the wonderful stories about God incarnate on the earth that is pure spiritual entertainment singing Dancing eating and making conversation with God is still a mystery a secret
Almighty God has never claimed to be Indian, English Chinese or anything else God has a spiritual body with
Out any limitations he has the qualities of eternity and bliss
He is incomprehensible and yet he is everywhere and sort of nowhere invisible at the same time but as a new devotee my spiritual vision is seeing divine light everywhere mostly every day.
I’m only a small child a only a baby my spiritual body is now in the process of growing it is being nourished by
Spiritual energy in form of God’s holy names
I’m so pleased I’m very happy my guru is in heaven looking out across eternity maybe you might get the invitation only if you qualify, thank you for listening sorry to see you all stuck in squalling in negatives energy cheer up. Yours para-atma-das rbdstudio@gmail.com
If you want a society to run under Srila Prabhupada’s DOM, you need to create that society and show by example what Srila Prabhupada wanted. Waiting for ISKCON to change is silly.