[flashvideo filename=http://prabhupadanugas.eu/wp-content/video/gurudeva.mp4 width=590 height=320 /]”Guru means the representative of God. As God is one, similarly, guru is also one. There cannot be different gurus. Because God is one, how there can be different gurus? The principle of guru is one. The original guru is Krishna.”
Arrival Lecture
by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
San Francisco, July 15, 1975
Rocana is still not explaining how they are diksha gurus?
ROCANA: Our ISKCON gurus have to humbly admit, ‘I’m not as advanced as Srila Prabhupada, and here’s the philosophical explanation of ‘how and why’.
[PADA: OK wait a minute, how did the ISKCON leaders “become gurus” from square one? When were they appointed as gurus? If they were never appointed as gurus (and they were not), then their whole claim to being gurus is bogus. Why do Rocana and others keep saying these ISKCON leaders are somehow or other “gurus,” when there is no appointment of gurus, they are clearly not qualified to be gurus, etc. etc. The first person that needs to make a humble admission is Rocana, he has to admit — they are not gurus, were not gurus, could not have been gurus, rather they are usurpers of the post of guru.]
ROCANA: That doesn’t mean they can’t be diksa gurus.
[PADA: OK a diksha guru is the person who gives “pure divyam jnanam which destroys the sins.” These ISKCON leaders are clearly not capable of giving us pure divyam jnanam, … they are not capable of doing that and neither are any of us, nor is there any evidence they can “absorb sins” (a part of diksha) like Jesus is doing? How can a neophyte absorb sins and give diksha? Rocana never explains.]
ROCANA: Actually, the biggest disqualification of all is to be a bluffer.
[PADA: The whole idea that neophytes can act in the capacity of acharyas / parampara members / Jesus — and give pure jnanam and absorb sins — is a bluff.]
ROCANA: But for one to be honest and simply admit that they’re not that advanced, that is not a disqualification.
[PADA: “Let me be honest, Jesus can absorb sins, and so can I”? What! That is not honest at all, this is simply another bluff. Rocana needs to tell these people they CANNOT perform the function of a maha-bhagavata, period.]
ROCANA: In fact, it could be considered even more of a qualification. But it’s not enough to just say the words, ‘Oh, I’m not as advanced as Srila Prabhupada…’ One must be able to philosophically explain the difference and the relationship, and should always emphasize that difference so that their own followers and disciples will not be confused about the matter.
[PADA: And that is all you are doing Rocana, you keep saying they need to take a lesser post, then you say they can give diksha and absorb sins like Jesus, you are fighting with your own shadow, and confusing people along the way. ys pd]
Rocana is convinced that they are gurus but at the same time he disagrees with the “rubber stamping”.That is very confusing philosophy.They are gurus but they should not be fake but they are fake because they are rubberstamped.Wow,my head is spinning!!!
pamho agt ACBSP
I would like to tell what I’m thinking of the real meaning what is guru after 3 long decades of meditation, regarding this very subtly matter.
Yes, guru is one and manifests himself through pure devotees, not rubber stamping.
That’s not the way to convince others. Therefore Prabhupada says: “Guru means he’s always saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya. (The spiritual master is honored as much as the Supreme Lord because he is the most confidential servitor of the Lord. This is acknowledged in all revealed scriptures and is followed by all authorities.)
That is the definition of guru. Guru is accepted as good as God, saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastraih, in all Vedic literature, tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih, and those who are learned, advanced, they accept it. But what is the position of guru? Kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya: “Guru is the most confidential servant of God.” That is his position.”
In sum, to say guru can fall down is like saying, God can fall down. The real truth is coming up even if it’s slowly.
ys seva das
haribol
If the divyam jnanam is able to destroy sin than one should ask oneself if one needs this vedic position of guru nowadays at all since pure transcendental knowledge can be found this days also in some printed books.
Right, all this pomposity about the executive chair is rather kindergarden.
Prabhupada: “The chanting of Hare Krsna is our main business, that is real initiation. And as you are all following my instruction, in that matter, the initiator is already there.” SP Letter to Tamal Krsna, 8/19/68
Real importance first of all is to conduct missionary activities cooperatively. After all, yuga-dharma is Sankirtan, san=together. So at present all these big, big leaders are fighting over their territory and splitting Lord Caitanya’s Sankirtan movement into multiple competing camps / mini-missions.
As we see Kali-yuga is realy thankful for this, very good intelligence!
I like and appreciate very much Seva dasa Prabhu comments which are entirely based on the scripture. No body can refute it.
However, there are certain class of people so called leaders who are very much desirous of WANNA BE GURU by hook or crook and they refuse to accept the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada in its entirety just like Rocana dasa Prabhu as he misleads massive people in his thesis – DOR.
Thus the problem of becoming guru prevails and so is the misunderstanding of living guru comes in to a play when these people disregards the Instructions of the Pure Devotee Srila Prabhupada.
Therefore, those who are serious and sincere, they follow the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada and make their lives sublime by distributing Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS as He desires and instructs us to do so.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari BOL.
YS…….. Amar Puri.