Taking shelter of Krishna required

Prabhupada, Morning Walk, April 18, 1977, Bombay: He was surprised that, “A boy, cowherd boy, these people, they’re worshiping as God? Oh, that may be…” Brahma challenged, “This cowherd boy…”
Tamala Krsna: Didn’t they know who Krsna was?
Prabhupada: Who Krsna was, they knew it. But, “This cowherd boy is Krsna?” Just like we are also despising the so-called avataras. That does not mean we do not know Krsna. We know actually Krsna. Therefore we despise all these rascals, “avatara.” Their master is Krsna they know. They’re servants. Otherwise how they are devata? But the mistake was that “My master has come, has become a cowherd boy and playing with insignificant and boys and girls, and He is my master?” That is going on. Surayah. Muhyanti yat surayah. You know this, the Bhagavata? Muhyanti yat surayah. Great, great stalwart demigods, they also become bewildered to understand. Janmady asya yatah anvayad itaratas carthesu abhijnah sva-rat tene brahma hrda adi-kavaye muhyanti yat surayah. Just like such a big lawyer, he is asking, “Whether Krsna is fictitious or fact?”
Tamala Krsna: People are so…
Prabhupada: Everyone takes this Krsna, Bhagavata and Bhagavad-gita is a story.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. They have no training.
Prabhupada: Not they accept that this Krsna, historical Krsna, He is the person, Supreme Person. Ninety-nine point nine percent, they do not believe. “It is a fictitious story written about God, but not that this Krsna is God.” This is their opinion. Therefore Dr. Radhakrishnan: “No, no, not this Krsna personally.” Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah–he is guiding: “Don’t be attached to this Krsna.” Doesn’t want. He was a very good gentleman, at heart devotee of God, but he could not understand Krsna. He used to say to me… I was very intimate with, with him, with Dr. Radhakrishnan. [former president of India]
Tamala Krsna: You were intimate with him?
Prabhupada: Yes. I used to go whenever I liked.
Tamala Krsna: I didn’t know that.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. I had many letters, correspondence with him. He promised that “After retirement I shall join.” Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Yet when we went to visit him in Madras, I guess he was so…
Prabhupada: No, that time he was finished.
Tamala Krsna: He could not even recognize. He was failing.
Prabhupada: No… I used to go to see him even at his house without engagement. And he liked me. He gave me many…. The Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, this Nectar of Devotion. He gave some… I wrote correspondence with him. So he used to say, “Kindly pray to God for my salvation.” He was not void. He was fearing God. But he did not accept this Krsna.
Tamala Krsna: Mayavadi.
Prabhupada: Mayavadi. Otherwise he was a brahmana and learned scholar, God-fearing, everything.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, he’s very well respected still.
Prabhupada: In my paper I criticized him, “Scholars Deluded.” I gave him criticism.
Tamala Krsna: (laughs) Even then you were doing that. It’s always amazing how, to me, you can practically, whenever you meet these big men, you kick them on the head and then you make them like it. Just like this lawyer. You told him, “This dog civilization…” Practically you were telling him that “You are acting like that.” But still, he liked it. And at the pandal you were doing the same.
Prabhupada: Still, the Chief Minister applauded.
Tamala Krsna: Because you present it so truthfully that they have to admit and look at themselves and admit, “Yes, you are right. We are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses.”
Prabhupada: I gave practical example, hanging in railway…
Tamala Krsna: Train.
Prabhupada: One gentleman came: “Sir, you are…” So he might be one of the hanging passengers.
Tamala Krsna: (laughs) That was funny. When you said that, the Chief Minister was laughing. At that point he was smiling. Everyone in that crowd was thinking, “Yes. He’s talking about me.”
Prabhupada: Is that civilization? Human being should be calm and quiet, peaceful and advanced in Krsna consciousness. There must be four divisions, brahmana, ksatriya, everything. Everything is lost. From the very morning, “Where is bread? Where is bread?” We have no fixed income, but we are so pure. We are maintaining big establishment. Who has got so big establishment? And what is our asset? Asset is only Krsna. For ordinary karmis to maintain such house and such big establishment…
Tamala Krsna: Not possible. No one can do it.
Prabhupada: He’ll have insomnia, cannot sleep at night. What would have been the cost of the establishment? So many men are working.
Tamala Krsna: What to speak of worldwide.
Prabhupada: This is one only.
Tamala Krsna: One of one hundred.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: No, it’s not possible. Neither it’s possible that…
Just like yesterday Krsna sends you a man who says, “Sir, I would like
to translate your books into Russian.” You did not go canvassing for
Russian translator. Every single thing is coming… Krsna is sending
to you.
Prabhupada: So take shelter of Krsna’s lotus feet. That is the only
way. Then everything is all right.