BHAKTI CHARU SWAMI: Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakura was an extremely brilliant personality who attracted countless luminaries of his time within the fold of his Gaudiya Matha. However, soon after his disappearance when the Gaudiya Matha disintegrated, in spite of all those luminaries the propagation of Krsna Consciousness practically stopped.
Srila Prabhupada explained that, that happened because most his prominent followers could not understand the importance of continuing his mission through the institution he established. They held on to the traditional concept and concluded that a spiritual heritage could not effectively continue through an institution managed by a bunch of mundane managers, they defied the instruction of their spiritual master and appointed an acarya [who eventually fell down].
The institution that he so meticulously structured collapsed. Srila Prabhupada, in order to protect his ISKCON from such an unfortunate possibility, emphatically told us not to make the same mistake that his God-brothers made after his Guru Maharaja’s disappearance (and appoint premature gurus).
He advised us to continue the mission under the authority of a collective management structure. Nevertheless, after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, we in ISKCON also made the similar mistake. Thinking that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 successors we also plunged into the same exact syndrome of appointing spiritual heads of the institution, presuming that after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance they inherited ISKCON (and the acharya post).
In 1987, about 10 years after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, this mistake was addressed by concerned leading devotees of ISKCON, but was not fully corrected. Just by adding more gurus, and allowing them to initiate wherever they could attract disciples, the original mistake was only diluted to some extent but was not really corrected. Recently, the GBC body became painfully aware that through that mistake a parallel line of authority has been created in ISKCON, which is causing a considerable amount of damage to the institution and is stifling the growth of the movement.
It is very laudable of the GBC body that they have taken this issue very seriously and are working hard to rectify it. In order to effectively establish an institution we need two essential elements – the head of the institution, and its management structure. In ISKCON we have to be absolutely clear that Srila Prabhupada is the head of the institution and he will continue to be that as long as the institution lasts, and the management structure Srila Prabhupada established – the GBC, temple presidents, departmental heads, etc, must be fully functional without any deviation.
If we compare the institution of ISKCON to a corporate structure, then we must recognize that Srila Prabhupada is the proprietor of ISKCON, and the other leaders of this institution are the managers. The managers manage, and although they get their remunerations and incentives for that, the profit belongs to the proprietor. In ISKCON, it is important that we clearly recognize the fact that everything in ISKCON, including even all the devotees, belongs to Srila Prabhupada, then only this mistake that is stifling the growth of our institution will be rectified and Krsna Consciousness movement will start to spread once again, all over the world, in leaps and bounds. BCS
pamho agtACBSP,
thank you for posting this article, actually all the guru hoaxers just slow down the spiritual SRI HARINAM SANKIRTAN revolution of SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA. It’s good that H.H. BCS recognizes the mistakes and agrees to give everything back to the real owner of ISKCON BBT SAMSTAPAKACARYA – Srila Prabhupada.
All the others deviants should follow his example instead of swearing on the cheating of the cheated.
Our param guru SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKUR PRABHUPADA was more than a brilliant personality which appears every blue moon that’s every thousand years because he is an avatara in the category of ray of Lord Vishnu which is even superior to the category of saktya avesha avatara.
And being a very learned astrologer as well he could see the fighting within his matha. Therefore he decided to leave this world earlier on his own will because he was naistika brahmacari since birth.
Being a great personality with all the 32 symbols of mahapurusa on HIS body he had the power to do that.
He was called by another mahapurusa, SRILA BHAKTIVINODA THAKUR, to establish the daivi varnasrama dharma through Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja knew that SRILA PRABHUPADA was going to do that therefore his mission became complete and he left this world without wasting more time with all the others less intelligent disciples who were fighting to occupy the temples instead of preaching harinam sankirtan.
(Bombay, 14 November, 1975)
agtSP ys haribol
The above is the 2nd half of an article published more than 4 years ago:
http://iskconklnews.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/stumbling-blocks-and-steping-stones/
Yes, this has been the whole problem all along, they think the guru needs correcting, and the GBC are the acharya’s correction department. Sheesh! ys pd
“To correct” means: To remove the errors or mistakes from. To correct is the escape route for criminals who are responsible for the spiritual and material deaths humanity. The GBC and ISKCON have not made any mistakes that need correcting, they committed and continue to commit crimes against humanity that need to stop, be punished and compensate those to whom they have committed these crimes. They were warned by Srila Prabhupada but continued to ignore those warnings for their own personal profit. They should be tried for fraud on a massive scale, found guilty and jailed! If we continue to listen to BCS and the like as so called authorities who feign sorry and pretend ignorance as a detente while continuing their crimes against humanity we are fools. Move on from them and open new battle fronts with original books, the holy name and Srila Prabhupada as our leader. Let BCS howl in the desert wind along with his fans no one cares. They are lost, we are found.
Ys Hasti Gopala Dasa
An easy and direct proof that Fiskcon’s and ritvik diksha proposals are deviant and thus are both a product of Mayadevi. From the lecture by H.D.G. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada on Bg. As It Is given in Hyderabad in December 1972:
“Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, someone has put the question that: “Who will carry on this movement after you?”
Prabhupāda: Who is asking me, he’ll do it. (laughter) [break]
Indian man (5): Can I ask my good devotees your plan to carry again, to push your movement after you, that what is after Śrī Bhaktivedanta Prabhu, to keep this ladder of, keep this ladder held up: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā:
[Bg. 4.1]
First of all, Kṛṣṇa spoke this Kṛṣṇa consciousness science to the sun-god, and the sun-god Vivasvān explained it to his son Manu. And Manu explained to his son Ikṣvāku. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. So this science is understood by the paramparā disciplic succession. So as we have understood by the paramparā system from my Guru Mahārāja, so any of my students who will understand, he will keep it running on. This is the process. It is not a new thing. It is the old thing. Simply we have to distribute it properly, as we have heard from our predecessor ācārya. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is recommended: ācārya upāsanam: “One must approach ācārya.” Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. Simply by speculating, by so-called scholarship, it is not possible. It is not possible. One must approach the ācārya. So the ācārya is coming by paramparā system, disciplic succession. Therefore Kṛṣṇa recommends, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā: [Bg. 4.34] “One should approach the ācārya and try to understand by praṇipāta, surrender.” This whole thing is depending on surrender. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. The surrender process, the proportion of surrender, is the means of understanding Kṛṣṇa. If we are partially surrendered, then we understand Kṛṣṇa partially. So ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. It is the proportion of surrender. The one who has surrendered fully, he can understand this philosophy and he can preach also, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. What is that? [break]
Indian man: I want to ask you one more question. [break]
Prabhupāda: Anyone can become perfect in his own position simply if he receives this transcendental message by proper aural reception. Śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhiḥ… [break] …five thousand years, Kṛṣṇa says forty-millions of years, He spoke…”
Bhakta Jarek where does in the explanation of Srila Prabhupada in your comments says ; ” in order to carry on the movement further, ONE has to accept ones’ own disciple ” ?????
It simply says ; ” Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is recommended: ācārya upāsanam: “One must approach ācārya.” Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. ”
Is Srila Prabhupada not the Acarya ? Is that what you are saying ?
Why can the Inquisitive NOT surrender to Srila Prabhupada and follow His Instructions as Srila Prabhupada says ” [Bg. 4.34] “One should approach the ācārya and try to understand by praṇipāta, surrender.” This whole thing is depending on surrender.
Why can you not surrender to Srila Prabhupada and His VANI ??????? Is there any difference ?????
No where in the explanation Srila Prabhupada says that ONE has to accept ones’ own disciples to carry forward the movement.
What are you trying to present when you quote Srila Prabhupada explanation to prove your concocted – deviant point ??????
Understand first yourself what you are writing in your presentation then only write some thing constructive. Otherwise, STOP misguiding by writing NONSENSE which is MISLEADING.
That is the way you can only help spreading the KC in every town and village as Srila Prabhupada explains in His explanation.
OM TAT SAT.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Bhagavad-gita 15.15, August 5, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm ) ;
“Service means you must take order from the master. That is service. Otherwise it is mental concoction. Actually, the servant requests, “How can I serve you?” So when the master orders, “You serve me like this,” then you do that, that is service. And if you manufacture your service, that is not service. That is your sense gratification. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ. You have to see how he is pleased. Now if he wants a glass of water and if you bring a nice glass of milk, you can say milk is better than water, you take it. That is not service. He wants water, you give him water. Don’t manufacture better thing.”
So we the followers of the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada do not manufacture any thing.
So WHY NOT serve Srila Prabhupada as He asks US the followers the way He gives Instructions without any concoction ?
@Hasti Gopala Dasa, bhakta jarek
First become transcendentally situated than we can have a proper discussion. But you ritviks love to remain conditioned idol worshippers and copy/paste experts.
The ritvik doggies may bark a bit but the caravan of course just moves on.
“If we compare the institution of ISKCON to a corporate structure, then we must recognize that Srila Prabhupada is the proprietor of ISKCON, and the other leaders of this institution are the managers. The managers manage, and although they get their REMUNERATIONS and INCENTIVES for that, the profit belongs to the proprietor. In ISKCON, it is important that we clearly recognize the fact that EVERYTHING IN ISKCON, INCLUDING EVEN ALL THE DEVOTEES, BELONGS TO SRILA PRABHUPADA, then only this mistake that is stifling the growth of our institution will be rectified and Krsna Consciousness movement will start to spread once again, all over the world, in leaps and bounds.” -BCS
They steal all the money, the buildings and Prabhupada’s disciples as a “remuneration” or “incentive.” What happened to pure unalloyed devotional service? Sounds like they’re trying to run a business instead.
Bhakta Jarek you should not be anxious for the take-over because Srila Prabhupada WILL REMAIN THE PROMINENT ACARYA FOR A VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME AND —-AS LONG AS — Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS are on the planet he will be PROMINENT ACARYA:
WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYAS, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM.
68-04-12. Letter: Dayananda
Regarding parampara system: there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and so these gaps do not hamper from understanding the parampara system. WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYAS, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. We have to pick up from the authority of the acharya in whatever sampradaya we belong to.
Bhakta Jarek does not tell us what guru parampara he does support? He says the GBC is wrong, the ritviks are wrong, so he is now supporting the worship of — no one at all? This is called mayavada. We have to worship a specific person, and this is confirmed by Srila Prabhupada, he says persons who do not name their guru are mayavadas, ok like Jarek. ys pd
Ritviks are wannabe dictators under the guise of “only we follow Srila Pranhupada”, which they don’t. They’re most hypocritical, degraded people. That’s not very strange since “ignorance” and the desire to be worshiped are their basic “qualities”.
fake Christians = salafists = ritviks = islamic brotherhood = worldy moralists = crackpots
“Guru Parampara dasa” is too ashamed of his so-called guru to even mention his name! Is this because he knows, in his heart, that his “guru” is nothing but a joke?
Nowhere does ISKCON officially list a parampara (disciplic succession) personality #33. That’s because they admit, by default, that Srila Prabhupada is still the current link in the parampara. Therefore, by default, Prabhupada is the only bona fide giver of diksa (initiation) within ISKCON for the foreseeable future. This is 100% bona fide because Prabhupada, after thinking about it for several weeks, made that all-important management decision (ritvik henceforward) back in 1977. He made his decision known to his ISKCON leaders in the form of the July 9, 1977 letter to all GBC men and temple presidents. This all-important ISKCON management directive is crystal-clear to anyone who is not either a fool or a self-motivated rascal.
Who got initiated and who didn’t, when Srila Prabhupada was personally managing ISKCON, was never the result of any mysterious hocus-pocus. If the temple president said you got initiated, then you got initiated; otherwise not! It was as simple as that! Why should it be any different today?
This first initiation is extremely important to the aspiring bhakta, but who performs it is not important. It’s simply, as Srila Prabhupada ordered, “whichever [ritvik representative] is nearest.”
Even the cannibal society does not worship illicit sex messiahs? No, the ritviks are following what all religion teaches, even the cannibals worship something in the modes of goodness, the sun, the mountain, something nice that God created. On the Guru Parmpara people worship illicit sex with men, women and children? No other religion, including the cannibals, worships illicit sex? Sorry, there is no religion that worships illicit sex, except for the odious Gyspy’s bogus religion. ys pd
Srila Prabhupada, the Founder and Acarya says in the quoted by me lecture from 1972 that the clue is surrender, ye yatha mam prapadyante. Though the question about the successing after Srila Prabhupada was asked allready in 1972, unfortunately none of the ISKCON “big guns” haven’t noticed the simplicity of the whole issue, they can’t see it till now, especially such lost businesswamis like Bhakti Caru. The answer says Srila Prabhupada is in Bhagavad Gita, provided it is taken directly from Him, who spoke it, from Sri Krishna. There is nothing new, one who “simply understands”, he is the Acarya, if Krishna want’s so. This is not a mass product, it is a mahatma, a very rare soul. Guru is a principle, guru is one, it is allways Krishna through His divine manifestations and energies, not that you dear devotees can manufacture some new system. No ritvik can do it anyway, simply since he is not a guru, such person can’ neither understand the guru nor become one, especially if he does not want or must. Ritivks prefer t o remain prakrita bhaktas, and this is not what we have to become, in order to advance spiritually.
When Kirtanananda had his German Shepherd dogs by his side while he was being worshiped on his “Vyasa,” the GBC had a meeting there and they were all singing “Jaya Bhaktipada.” Dogs were not only looking at the offerings, Kirtanananda let these dogs lick the deity plates.
This is why we have to ask, why has the GBC not only changed things (we no longer offer to Srila Prabhupada first), they have participated in these types of deviations, and not even challenged such severe deviations. And those of us who do challenge, are removed and banned, because we do not think dogs are part of the puja to Krishna program?
Bhakta Jarek’s gurus are mixing German Shepherd’s into Krishna worship? Is this why Srila Prabhupada says dogs will worship other dogs? Why doesn’t Bhakta Jarek’s program know, German Shepherds are not supposed to be worshiped with the guru on the Vyasa? And dogs are not supposed to lick the deity plates? And why have they never answered this question since 1986, don’t they even know the answer?
ys pd
@bhakta jarek
My guru maharaja, an Iskcon guru and a very, very faithfull SP disciple, only gave me Sri Krsna, nothing else. He didn’t make any concession and for that I am eternally indebted to him, although how can I repay?
The only business of the guru is to instruct the disciple in such a manner the disciple becomes attached fully to Sri Krsna. And the disciple has to be a faithful, determined disciple to get all the crap out of his consciouness.
When the disciple is on the brahma bhuta stage he has the choice. There is actual freedom to choose since actual hearing begins form the brahma bhuta stage. I chose to serve my guru with love and devotion and with that serving Lord Gauranga, the one stuck in impersonalism. That’s why I always pray to Lord Nityananda for His mercy in that service.
Right, so when all these ISKCON gurus were all singing “Jaya Bhaktipada,” at a time when Kirtanananda was massaging his dogs, and he was covered with the hands of fifty boys, we had to get the crap out of the GBC gurus consciousness, and have their guru’s place raided by the Federal authorities and have their guru arrested. Good point, we had to act as the gurus of the GBC and get them out of their worship of German Shepherd pada. Agreed, ys pd
Guru Parampara dasa you are a LIAR. WHY I say this because you have been proven time and time again that your writings are full of deceit when you say this : ” My guru maharaja, an Iskcon guru and a very, very faithfull SP disciple, only gave me Sri Krsna, nothing else. He didn’t make any concession and for that I am eternally indebted to him, although how can I repay? ”
Your guru in Iskcon who gave you diksha by the name Guru Parampara dasa is NOT AUTHORIZED at all to accept you as his own disciples in the Spiritual Organization of Iskcon founded by HDG. Srila Prabhupada who has NOT AUTHORIZED any of His disciples to replace Him by accepting own disciples in the Iskcon during His presence or absence.
Is this NOT a CHEATING ?
Therefore, a CHEATER like yourself Guru Parampara dasa go to another CHEATER simply to get CHEATED.
Is this NOT a FACT, Guru Parampara dasa ?
Thus, you are simply a LIAR.
@”My guru maharaja, an Iskcon guru and a very, very faithful SP disciple, only gave me Sri Krsna”
Once more crux of the matter is that GPD presents himself as educated and familiar with ISKCON history. It is getting evident that this is not the case. GPD might have some understanding (hearsay) starting from 2007 or 2008.
So this happens again and again that folks pretend to be knowledgeable and conversant about the tragedy of thousands of cheated devotees when in fact they are having no clue about the dimension of this human tragedy.
There is no need to discuss anything further since all this is de facto over GPD’s head. He wasn’t there, nobody told him and what he heard is rather incomplete, fragmentary and in no way sufficient to run a substantiated conversation based on facts.
In order to compensate their lack of information these new devotees always switch to name-calling profanity what is really bothersome. There is no need to extend this debate, it is something like beating empty husks of grain – one who beats on the empty husk, thinking to get some result, is simply wasting his labor uselessly.
These ISKCON so-called gurus are stealing the worship, in Srila Prabhupada’s own institution, which was meant for Prabhupada. Whatever good karma they might have earned in the past is being rapidly used up by their offenses.
As a direct result of their offenses against Srila Prabhupada, they don’t even know how to act like decent human beings! When one of them finds out about a child being sexually molested, he covers it up, and as a result, puts that child in even more danger than before and endangers other children as well! When a qualified man wants to marry one of his young, beautiful female “disciples,” he tries to prevent it by criticizing that man to her, even if the man is also one of his “disciples!” They are completely unqualified to be leaders, even from a material point of view!
It makes me sick to hear even one of these rascals being praised by his ignorant so-called disciple.
@Matthijs Nijenhuis
Where did you buy your crystal ball? Nevertheless, first follow a course to look into the ball “a bit” more properly Matthijs.
btw “Matthijs”, are you also known as the “the Funny One”? Must be.