source: Business Standard
An Austrian Vaishnab devotee of ISKCON was found dead in Nabadwip in Nadia district today, the police said.
The body of Harvath Johann alias Hema Labanya (56) was found in the bathroom of his rented home at Gaurangapur locality of Nabadwip.
Preliminary investigation revealed that he died due to cardiac attack.
He came to Mayapur, the headquarter of ISKCON, about two years back and became a Vaishnab devotee, they said.
The following paragraph appeared in today’s “Talks with the Sampradya Acarya” on the Sampradaya Sun:
“This, of course, is another big issue that I’ve mentioned repeatedly, regarding how much money and effort is spent by the leaders on their health problems. In many cases, they’re the only ones who have the money for such things, in comparison to the average devotees. ISKCON doesn’t offer a medical plan for the rank and file, but the leaders take advantage of their position, and money is collected so they can meet their own medical and dental needs. As we have repeatedly seen, when these gurus or sannyasis get some medical problem, they shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars to deal with their problem, contrary to what Srila Prabhupada is instructing here. They should be following the standard Srila Prabhupada set, instead.”
How does a member of the rank and file take care of his or her medical and dental needs which can become very expensive in today’s society? Simple living and high thinking is a great philosophy, of course, but we don’t have a widespread infrastructure to support ourselves when it comes to health care. For example, fixing or replacing one bad tooth can cost $1,000 or more nowadays. So how can one live simply and yet pay for such (often necessary) care?
In the same article “Talks with the Sampradya Acarya” on the Sampradaya Sun:
” Basically, Krsna consciousness is the solution for all the problems of the day. Srila Prabhupada has given us the answers, by his own personal instructions and example and by presenting the Vedic scriptures, which emphasize and focus on human beings living in a way that allows them to balance their time, which can then be dedicated towards becoming God conscious.
Amazingly, all this super-excellent instruction is given in a very simple, casual conversation while Srila Prabhupada was taking prasadam.”
Yet, the Editor of Sampradya Sun, Sriman Rocana dasa dares to write in his thesis DOR to disapprove Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions. Is this not a FACT ?
So one may ask what type of a standard of creditability Sriman Rocana dasa is setting not only for himself but also for Srila Prabhupada’s Authority of Instructions when he condemns and criticise Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions in his DOR. ?
Where and which direction is Sriman Rocana dasa heading with all this controversy and hypocrisy preaching ?
That is why Prabhupadanugas is all about spreading and preaching the glorious Instructions – Vani of HDG. Srila Prabhupada AS IT IS.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri writes: “Where and which direction is Sriman Rocana dasa heading with all this controversy and hypocrisy preaching ?”
That’s the 64,000 dollar question, isn’t it? There must be a method to his madness. I’m waiting to see what he has up his sleeve. In the meantime, it’s such a shame that in one sense he’s so close, but in another sense, he’s so far away.
Amar puri mistakes a logical refute of the non śastric ritvik theory as explained in the DOR of Sriman Rocana prabhu with a dissaproval of Srila Prabhupada’s instruction. Amar puri tell me how Rocana prabhu having not find a slightest prove to your highly dubious ritvik speculation on the formal diksha innovations may refute your so called “final order”. or the 9 July letter order, or the “henceforward” order, or whatever you gonna find out while riding on your mano ratha as alleged Srila Prabhupada instruction?
bhakta jarek ; Is Ritvik system not described in the Sastra ?
If the Ritivk system is in the Sastra and Srila Prabhupada has used it and is using it in his presence and absence in His Spiritual Organization, then, who is Sriman Rocana Prabhu to describe his very own concocted ideas in his thesis DOR which is subject to the four defects ?
What is the credibility of such a person who is defective ?
Hope you answer these questions ?
This devotee, Hema Lavanya Das, researched vitamin B17 and wrote this article: World without cancer, http://www.dandavats.com/?p=10733
Bhakta Jarek: Amar puri mistakes a logical refute of the non śastric ritvik theory as explained in the DOR of Sriman Rocana prabhu with a dissaproval of Srila Prabhupada’s instruction. Amar puri tell me how Rocana prabhu having not find a slightest prove to your highly dubious ritvik speculation on the formal diksha innovations may refute your so called “final order”. or the 9 July letter order, or the “henceforward” order, or whatever you gonna find out while riding on your mano ratha as alleged Srila Prabhupada instruction?
Mahesh: DOR means DEFEAT OF ROCANA. As can be seen, only the formalities of initiation – ceremonies 1st and 2nd initiation have changed, as this is offered on behalf of Srila Prabhupada by Ritviks (Officiating Acaryas/Representatives of Acarya). This in confirmation with 9th July 1977 Order. Diksa given to the Madhyama has NOT changed.” The formalities may be slightly changed here and there to make them Vaisnavas.
Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54 Purport – Dhruva Maharaja Leaves Home for the Forest:
“Those who are not actually in the line of acaryas, or who personally have no knowledge of how to act in the role of acarya, unnecessarily criticize the activities of the ISKCON movement in countries outside of India. The fact is that such critics cannot do anything personally to spread Krsna consciousness. If someone does go and preach, taking all risks and allowing all considerations for time and place, it might be that there are changes in the manner of worship, but that is not at all faulty according to sastra. Srimad Viraraghava Acarya, an acarya in the disciplic succession of the Ramanuja-sampradaya, has remarked in his commentary that candalas, or conditioned souls who are born in lower than sudra families, can also be initiated according to circumstances. The formalities may be slightly changed here and there to make them Vaisnavas.”
“Every acarya has a specific means of propagating his spiritual movement with the aim of bringing men to Krsna consciousness. Therefore, the method of one acarya may be different than that of another, but the ultimate goal is never neglected.”
(Sri Chaitanya-caritamrta,Adi-lila,7:37,purport)
“An acarya who comes for the service of the Lord cannot be expected to conform to a stereotype, for he must find the ways and means by which Krsna consciousness may be spread.”
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta,Adi-lila,7.31-32,purport)
It seems that all we have to become ritviks first. If anyone wants to follow the order amara ajnaya guru hoy of Lord Gauranga he must violate the arsa prayoga rule and the warning as to not make a difference between siksa and diksa guru, because some conditioned souls say that we may be only siksa guru (in ISKCON). In fact however anyone can become a bona fide guru anytime more, though the ritviks grant allegedly such permission out of ISKCON. But are you really? No, because such person will naturally not be a ritvik, so what kind of guru would he be according to you? Thus you are creating a system which will be programming people to hostility towards any bona fide Vaishnava guru. I say thank you, not for me!
Bhakta jarek says ; “In fact however anyone can become a bona fide guru anytime more, though the ritviks grant allegedly such permission out of ISKCON.”
It is NOT ritvik system which grants the permission to start another link with the Paramapara for the bona fide guru BUT it is the Parampara system which grant such permission to the bona fide Vaishnava Guru as we witness from the list of 32 such bona fide Gurus who have established such Parampara system.
To say such thing otherwise is INSANELY ludi-crous
Hope you do understand, Bhakta Jarek.
Another verse that the ritviks change, id.e. deny;
vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ
jihvā-vegam udaropastha-vegam
etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ
sarvām apīmāṁ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt
“One who can control the forces of speech, mind, anger, belly, tongue and genitals is known as a gosvāmī and is competent to accept disciples all over the world.”
bhakta jarek says:
14. October 2013 at 11:18 am
Another verse that the ritviks change, id.e. deny;
vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ
jihvā-vegam udaropastha-vegam
etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ
sarvām apīmāṁ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt
“One who can control the forces of speech, mind, anger, belly, tongue and genitals is known as a gosvāmī and is competent to accept disciples all over the world.”
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Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada is THAT gosvami the MAHA-BHAGAVATA. Others are just CONDITIONED SOUL BABOONS and their brainless SENTIMENTAL followers. YOU first of all TRY and UNDERSTAND the meaning of the word DISCIPLE:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38815#comment-24746
bhakta jarek says ; ” Another verse that the ritviks change, id.e. deny;
vāco vegaṁ manasaḥ krodha-vegaṁ
jihvā-vegam udaropastha-vegam
etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ
sarvām apīmāṁ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt
“One who can control the forces of speech, mind, anger, belly, tongue and genitals is known as a gosvāmī and is competent to accept disciples all over the world.”
Bhakta Jarek, does a competent personality accept ones’ own disciples in the existing Spiritual Organization or a Math or a Sanstha (Institution) in ones’ own Spiritual Master ?
What does a competent personality do is that he simply follows the Order of His Spiritual Master and establish his own Institution in order to accept his own disciples as Srila Prabhupada did.
Is that NOT a FACT ?
If NO, then explain as to why Srila Prabhupada did not start accepting his own disciples in his own Guru Maharaja’s Institution of establishment ?
If you have NO answer, then, STOP quoting from the Sastra with your misunderstanding of it and avoid completely misleading not only to yourself but also to Others.
As I said in my comments elsewhere ; ” To say such thing otherwise is INSANELY ludi-crous ”
Hope it meets you satisfactory.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
So, as I said the Amar Puri, a pure ritvik vadi does happily change the verse:-) The question you ask me about why Srila Prabhupada did not initiated his own disicples in GM has a simple answer, and I wonder why you don’t know it. He was the self effulgent acarya who was suppose to continue the mission of Gaudiya Matha, but the serpents kidnapped the organisation right after poisoning Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada was also personally warned by his guru not to involve in the politics of his godbrothers.
Wow ….. brilliantly answered as it seems bhakta jarek when he says ; ” So, as I said the Amar Puri, a pure ritvik vadi does happily change the verse:-) The question you ask me about why Srila Prabhupada did not initiated his own disicples in GM has a simple answer, and I wonder why you don’t know it. He was the self effulgent acarya who was suppose to continue the mission of Gaudiya Matha, but the serpents kidnapped the organisation right after poisoning Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada was also personally warned by his guru not to involve in the politics of his godbrothers.
Where does in your simple answer, bhakta jarek, indicates that Srila Prabhupada must not initiate His own disciple in the Institution of His Guru Maharaja GM except the warning by his guru not to involve in the politics of his godbrothers as you said ?
Therefore, my question is still valid without any change in the verse as you try foolishly to explain it.
Now I wonder why you are a cheater yourself who likes to cheat others and get cheated?
So who is changing the verse, bhakta jarek ?
Dear Amar puri it is you who change the verse, and all the verses and instructions on becoming guru, being guru, etc..
bhakta jarek says ; ” Dear Amar puri it is you who change the verse, and all the verses and instructions on becoming guru, being guru, etc..”
Oh really. If it is so, then, where is such proof of my changed verses and instructions to support your nonsense comments, bhakta jarek ?
I have pointed out and proven it clearly in my message how cleverly you try to explain it with the spirit of motivation to make your point of view in misleading and misrepresentation by quoting Sastras to the readers, and yet you have not proven any such misleading thing in my comments.
And still you dare to show how foolish ( Mudha ), indeed, you are by writing such nonsense in yours comments without any proof of my changed verse and instructions on becoming guru etc.
Your comments are totally rubbish, bhakta jarek. Isn’t it ? Where are you heading with all this kind of nonsense ?
Why are you not accepting Srila Praqbhupada’s Instructions and help preaching what Srila Prabhupada desires from all of US ?
Why are you against all of US who try to follow and preach Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions ?
Why are you presenting your misleading and misrepresentation of Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions ?
I hope sincerely that you do give some thoughts in the mood of Satva guna to analyse what we are discussing here so that you can help in contributing some of your time in advocating Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
If you do this, then, that can be your great gift of contribution in bringing back sincere souls back to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari BOL.
OM TAT SAT.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Amar puri in the verse vaco vegam.. of Upadeśamrita it is clearly said: “One who can control the forces of speech, mind, anger, belly, tongue and genitals is known as a gosvāmī and is competent to accept disciples all over the world.”
A simple thing, but you say not the whole world since in ISKCON (allegedly) not possible except Srila Prabhupada via proxy or ritvik priest, but still in the name of the Acarya only as it was done before 1977. What else you don’t know? You are obviously changing the verse since your concoct the bogus system and you stubbornly, blindly and fanatically blame Srila Prabhupada have wished it so.
y.s. bj
bhakata jarek, have you not read my answer for the same thing you have posted second time ?
Why are you keeping yourself in IGNORANCE and repeating the same thing over and over again which has been answered ?
Read all my reply again what I wrote earlier and answer it please carefully before you become anxious to write nonsense again ;
On Oct. 14, 2013 Amar Puri replied to the statement of the quote of bhakta jarek ” “One who can control the forces of speech, mind, anger, belly, tongue and genitals is known as a gosvāmī and is competent to accept disciples all over the world.”
Bhakta Jarek, does a competent personality accept ones’ own disciples in the existing Spiritual Organization or a Math or a Sanstha (Institution) in ones’ own Spiritual Master ?
What does a competent personality do is that he simply follows the Order of His Spiritual Master and establish his own Institution in order to accept his own disciples as Srila Prabhupada did.
Is that NOT a FACT ?
If NO, then explain as to why Srila Prabhupada did not start accepting his own disciples in his own Guru Maharaja’s Institution of establishment ?
If you have NO answer, then, STOP quoting from the Sastra with your misunderstanding of it and avoid completely misleading not only to yourself but also to Others.
As I said in my comments elsewhere ; ” To say such thing otherwise is INSANELY ludi-crous ”
Hope it meets you satisfactory.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The initial superficial and blind supposition that Srila Prabhupada the acarya and founder of IsKcon changed the law of guru disciplic succession (above statement shows that for you even Srila Bhaktisiddhanta ordered such nonsense, which definitely points to your complete insanity dear Amar) makes your whole agenda go astray. Prabhupada gave hundreds of warnings how his mission may collapse, or how many ways it may degenerate and get lost. Your blind estimation of historical events lacks sincerity or awareness. You try to manipulate further the material instead of humbly admitting yourself to the process of constant hearing and chanting of Hare Krishna. Such whimsical attempts will not save you nor especially the lost IsKcon. There is no doubt about it in me.
Your servant bj.
bhakta jarek, I humbly requested you in one of my comments that please do NOT be anxious simply to write yet another nonsense reply of yours.
Why I say that it is nonsense reply is that you have not proven and given any reply to the questions I put forth in my comments as yet BUT simply writing out of context under your own superficial and blind supposition which definitely points to your complete insanity dear bhakta jarek, and makes your and your associates whole agenda go astray by concocting statements of misrepresentation of the Sastras quoted by you in order to best suit your point of views which is no where to be found in the Parampara list of 32 exalted personalities as written by HDG. Srila Prabhupada Himself.
Yes Srila Prabhupada gave lots of warnings BUT unfortunately people like you totally fail to take the heed of these warnings by NOT accepting and obeying Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions, and thus you manipulate further the material by your own concoction and misrepresentation of the Sastras instead of humbly accepting and obeying Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions.
Therefore, such whimsical attempts will not save you nor especially the lost IsKcon. There is no doubt about it in me because you and your associates do not accept and obey Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions.
It is that simple.
Now, I may humbly remind you again that please do not be anxious to write a reply until or unless you do have the answers to the questions I have put forth to you and your associates.
Hope it finds the readers satisfactory
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
What associates of mine you mean dear Amar? I am completely alone here – another concoction?
Perhaps, I wonder this time as to WHY bhakta jarek did not conceive and comprehend the meaning of it when he says: ” What associates of mine you mean dear Amar? ”
Is that the reason that he was anxious enough to write and ask who are the associates I am referring to in my comments or simply showing his IGNORANCE being not understanding and acknowledging who are the associates I have been referring to in my posts ?
My advice to you, bhakta jarek, is that please do not write if you do not understand the subject perfectly.
The associates ( including yourself, of course ) are those who are disbelieving and rejecting Srila Prabhupada’s Initiations Instructions as He desires to be followed in His Iskcon world wide.
Hope you find it satisfactory.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
dear Amar so good you are back with your funny worldwide imaginations and worldwide confusioning the confused spirit souls to follow your stubborn false ahankara. It is good because thus you are further cleaning up the worldwide ISKCON from all kinds of fools and suiciders like yourself. Sorry to must say it my dear.
A bit from other perspective now.There is certainly a big challange to all of us how and what to do after the cruel assasination of the Acarya Srila Prabhupada. Why not to take then to the 100 % certain path of chanting and hearing?You Amar reject the DOR of Sriman Rocana prabhu,or the Proof of one Tooth analisys and refute of ritvik vada by Sriman Kailasacandra das prabhu saying they are conditioned souls, bit who arr you then? Tell me eho are the riyviks then? You can´t follow the alleged july 9 letter since all the circumstances and conditions neede for it are nonpresent anymore!Try to understand please that your utopian attempt to readjust them is certainly under the three modes controll since we are simply conditioned souls. A proof? How many ritvik vada camps are out there?Why for exampleYashodanandan wasn´t allowed to perform the formality of diksha initiation in Bangalore? Wy if it is but a formality you guys can´t perhaps follow the only living link to the idea,who is Hansadutta prabhu? All the questions should be asked and you are dissmissing them in your passionate mode which looks to me like kind of histery rather than a serious and responsible response or attitude. However i like very much to ask petsonally for forgiving me my offencess to you personally dear Amar, i don´t k ow you personally and don´t want at all to disrespect hou since however wrong in my estimation, than still you are trying to love Srila Prabhupada.
Y.s.bj
bhakta jarek writes again yet another nonsense when he says ; ” dear Amar so good you are back with your funny worldwide imaginations and worldwide confusioning the confused spirit souls to follow your stubborn false ahankara. It is good because thus you are further cleaning up the worldwide ISKCON from all kinds of fools and suiciders like yourself. Sorry to must say it my dear. ” despite the fact that I humbly requested you in my post which read ;
” My advice to you, bhakta jarek, is that please do not write if you do not understand the subject perfectly. ”
Isn’t it ?
Exercise your free will by doing as you please. That is why you are confused and thus confusing others around you because you and your other associates chose to disrespect Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions.
Instead of writing nonsense – useless answer as you do, why have you not answered the following questions, bhakta jarek ;
” What does a competent personality do is that he simply follows the Order of His Spiritual Master and establish his own Institution in order to accept his own disciples as Srila Prabhupada did.
Is that NOT a FACT ?
If NO, then explain as to why Srila Prabhupada did not start accepting his own disciples in his own Guru Maharaja’s Institution of establishment ?
If you have NO answer, then, STOP quoting from the Sastra with your misunderstanding of it and avoid completely misleading not only to yourself but also to Others.
As I said in my comments elsewhere ; ” To say such thing otherwise is INSANELY ludi-crous ”
UNLESS, you answer these questions, do not write nonsense any more.
Hope you show some decency at your end.
bhakta jarek writes on different perspective of his own conditional state of his mind and asks answers for his questions from me which are given in CAP. letter appended below his message.
A bit from other perspective now.There is certainly a big challange to all of us how and what to do after the cruel assasination of the Acarya Srila Prabhupada.
SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS INDEED GIVEN POISONOUS STUFF, NO DOUBT. SO WAS BHAKTA PRAHLADA. BOTH ARE PURE DEVOTEES OF THE LORD. THUS, TO THINK THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS ASSASINATED WOULD BE ON THE MATERIAL PLATFORM. THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS WITH ALL THE DISBELIEVERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS.
Why not to take then to the 100 % certain path of chanting and hearing?
YES, 100% CHANTING AND HEARING MEANS SIMPLY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS – VANI OF THE ACARAYA SRILA PRABHUPADA WITHOUT ANY INTERPRETATION.
You Amar reject the DOR of Sriman Rocana prabhu,or the Proof of one Tooth analisys and refute of ritvik vada by Sriman Kailasacandra das prabhu saying they are conditioned souls,
WHEN A SINCERE AND SERIOUS SOUL TRIES TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS – VANI OF THE ACARAYA 100% CHANTING AND HEARING SELFLESSLY WITHOUT ANY INTERPRETATION, ALL THE ANSWERS BECOME AVAILABLE TO SUCH JIVA AUTOMATIVALLY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL MASTER BATHING OF ONES OWN MIND. THESE JIVAS ABOVE MENTIONED NAMES AND OTHERS WRITERS OF THESEUS AGAINST SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INITIATING INSTRUCTIONS ARE ALL FULL OF CONCOCTION DULY PERSONALLY MOTIVATED AND INTERPRETED ON THEIR RESPECTIVE MENTAL PLATFORM.
bit who arr you then?
I AM SIMPLY TRYING TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS – VANI OF THE ACARAYA 100% CHANTING AND HEARING SELFLESSLY WITHOUT ANY INTERPRETATION AS PER MY ABILITY AND CAPABILITY AND THUS SHARE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING AS PER ACARAYA SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS.
Tell me eho are the riyviks then?
ANY SINCERE SOUL WHO FOLLOWS SRILA PRABHUPADA’S VANI IS THE REAL FOLLOWER AND AS SUCH S/HE CAN BE KNOWN AS RITVIK BECAUSE THAT QUALIFIED RITVIK OR RITVIKS EXECUTES THE ORDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS SELFLESSLY.
You can´t follow the alleged july 9 letter since all the circumstances and conditions neede for it are nonpresent anymore!Try to understand please that your utopian attempt to readjust them is certainly under the three modes controll since we are simply conditioned souls. A proof ?
JULY 9TH LETTER IS SIMPLY FORMALIZING WHAT WAS BEING DONE BY THE QUALIFIED TP DURING SRILA PRABHUPADA’S PRESENCE OR ABSENCE.
SO WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF READJUSTING ANYTHING ? THEREFORE, NO NEED FOR A PROOF.
How many ritvik vada camps are out there?
AS MANY FOLLOWERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS PARTICULARLY INITIATIONS INSTRUCTIONS ARE OUT THERE TO WHICH THERE IS NO NEED OF COUNT OF THE CAMPS.
Why for exampleYashodanandan wasn´t allowed to perform the formality of diksha initiation in Bangalore?
THE QUESTIONS MUST BE ASKED DIRECTLY TO YASHODANANDAN. I HAVE NO IDEA OF IT.
Wy if it is but a formality you guys can´t perhaps follow the only living link to the idea,who is Hansadutta prabhu?
LIVING LINK IS SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS – VANI. AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW 100% OF CHANTING AND HEARING SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS.
All the questions should be asked and you are dissmissing them in your passionate mode which looks to me like kind of histery rather than a serious and responsible response or attitude.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE.
I HOPE YOU DO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS NOW AS IS ASKED IN MY PREVIOUS POST, BHAKTA JAREK.
BY CONTEMPLATING ON THESE QUESTIONS I ASK FOR THE ANSWER, IT MAY PERHAPS HELP YOU IN UNDERSTANDING LITTLE DEEPER ABOUT THE INITIATING INSTRUCTIONS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.
However i like very much to ask petsonally for forgiving me my offencess to you personally dear Amar,
WE THE FOLLOWERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA’S VANI ARE HERE TO ANSWER AS PER SRILA PRABHUPADA’S INSTRUCTIONS. THEREFORE, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR PERSONAL OFFENCE TO ME.
BY ASKING FORGIVENESS SHOWS SIMPLY YOU ARE INDEED SOME WHAT SERIOUS AND SINCERE JIVA LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT ANSWER.
i don´t k ow you personally and don´t want at all to disrespect hou since however wrong in my estimation, than still you are trying to love Srila Prabhupada.
YOU HAVE NOT DISRESPECTED ME AT ALL BHAKTA JAREK, IN REGARD TO WHATEVER YOU ESTIMATING WRONGLY ABOUT ME.
YES INDEED I AM TRYING TO LOVE SRILA PRABHUPADA. OTHERWISE, I HAVE NO OTHER QUALIFICATION AT ALL.
MAY SRILA PRABHUPADA BLESS US ALL.
HARI BOL.
JAGAT GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA KI JAYA.
dear Amar Srila Prabhupada could and was the one to initiate in GM of his guru maharaja, but as you should know the glorious mission was destroyed right after the departure (by the way also poisoning) of the Acarya Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami Prabhupada. So where is the problem with your question about it,i don´t understand it unless i take it for granted that your wrong assumptions drawn from the July 9 letter blind you completely. Thank you for accepting my apologies Amar puri. My point was that we strive her for the truth not for to disrespect any of the ritvik or no ritvik devotees(after all such designations certainly can´t exist in the spiritual world, or? :-)) i do strongly believe that in both the camps of the unfortunate and highly destructive schism are highly advanced and pure devotees of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna. Nothing may compare with having the association of Krishna devotees, however as you know we do try to follow rightly the vani of the acaryas and respectively avoid things detrimental to pure devotional service, whilst not making it or making it all artificially one or equal.
Y.s.bj
bhakta jarek, all of your comments lead and create further and further in a deeper darkness of IGNORANCE in concocting the assumption you describe in your comments which reads as ; ” dear Amar Srila Prabhupada could and was the one to initiate in GM of his guru maharaja, but as you should know the glorious mission was destroyed right after the departure (by the way also poisoning) of the Acarya Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami Prabhupada. So where is the problem with your question about it,i don´t understand it unless i take it for granted that your wrong assumptions drawn from the July 9 letter blind you completely. ”
Where did you get that the glorious mission of SBSST was destroyed ?
Did Srila Prabhupada not continue His Guru Maharaja’s glorious mission separate from the Institution of His Guru Maharaja SBSST ?
Can any body pollute or destroy the glorious mission of Shri Krishna Chayatanaya Mahaprabhu’s mission ?
Did I not answer July 9th letter explanation in my comments ? Why are you still assuming that my conclusion is drawn blindly on July 9th letter ?
What are the bases of your believe that in both the camps of the unfortunate and highly destructive schism are highly advanced and pure devotees of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna ?
Can you name ONE such person ?
If you do follow the vani of the acaryas as you said ( which I doubt because you do not accept and obey the Initiating Instructions of Srila Prabhupada in His world wide Iskcon Institution) , then, please explain what are your reasons of not accepting and obeying Srila Prabhupada’s Initiating Instructions ?
That is why I always ask you NOT to write any non sense comments for which you can not explain preciously to the subject matter you are arguing uselessly.
Hope you answer the questions carefully, if you choose to do so. Otherwise, please do not waste your time any more with your useless arguments which simply shows that you are not capable to make any comments on the subject under discussion.
Hope it meets you well, bhakta jarek.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar puri i have serious doubt about your mental health.You are so fanatically blind.Let me destroy only one of your above foolish garbeage sensations.The one about Gsudiha Math being not destroyed.In a lecgute from 1Nov.1976 from Vrindaban Srila Prabhupada said:”… in Gaudiya Math the first scandal was so early after the disappearance of the Founder-Acharya that the entire organization was absolutely demolished. As a result, the various swamis retreated, each to his own math, where he hung his own shingle on the door reading “Acharya.” Since the introduction of this system of domicile acharya, now brahmacharis gathered round to enjoy eating and sleeping and the cohesive parent organization ceased to exist. This was factually the situation in the Keshavaji Gaudiya Math headed by Narayana Maharaja before ISKCON devotees defected to that side. Narayana Maharaja learned the tricks of ISKCON and then took credit for them as his own ideas, while presenting his own novel views of the sastras and never crediting Srila Prabhupada. Thus one after another, the once-Gaudiya Maths came to resemble mere saffron hostels visited mostly by old widows.” So are you dear Amar now regaining a bit the sense of reality?
Y.s? Bj
bhakta jarek did I not tell you and warn you many times that please do not be anxious to answer and say something of your own that which you do not understand it yourself what it is that you are answering when you say and quote Srila Prabhupada statement to make your point of view totally in IGNORANCE which reads as ; ” ………… in Gaudiya Math the first scandal was so early after the disappearance of the Founder-Acharya that the entire organization was absolutely demolished. …….. ”
Whereas you wrote on Oct. 30 in your comments which read as ; ” dear Amar Srila Prabhupada could and was the one to initiate in GM of his guru maharaja, but as you should know the glorious mission was destroyed right after the departure (by the way also poisoning) of the Acarya Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Goswami Prabhupada.
bhakta jarek, tell me what do you read in your two different statements mentioned above ?
Do you read in your first statement ” the entire organization was absolutely demolished…” and in your second statement you said ” ….. the glorious mission was destroyed ….. “.
Is it not clear indeed that the management of the SBSST organization was absolutely demolished BUT not the glorious mission was destroyed as you wrote ?
From your own above mentioned two different statements, it shows that how confused you are.
Is it not a FACT ?
Therefore, bhakta jarek, you have to learn and understand, and thus, see the difference in the statements of Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions before you write and quote Sastras.
That is exactly your problem of DISBELIEVING Srila Prabhupada’s Initiating Instructions because you have failed miserably to see and read it comprehensively what Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik – Initiating Instructions are all about.
Based on these facts, you are not qualified at all to comment in this regard. Rather, it appears that you are a CHEATER and a LIAR who likes to cheat others and get cheated.
Please refrain from commenting any further on this subject because you have nothing to contribute BUT criticising all of us who are trying to protect and promote Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions.
Hope it meets all the readers satisfactory.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.