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The Facts About Srila Prabhupada’s Poisoning by Arsenic
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– Someone Has Poisoned Me – Part 6
BY: NITYANANDA DAS
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“So as Krishna was attempted to be killed… And Lord Jesus Christ was killed.
So they may kill me also.” (Srila Prabhupada, May 3, l976, Honolulu)
“my only request is , that at the last stage don’t torture me, and put me to death”
(from SPC Vol. 36, November 3, 1977 tape recorded Room Conversation)
Part 6
CHAPTER 1 TO CHAPTER 6
[PLEASE NOTE: ADDRESSES, EMAILS, PHONE
NUMBERS ETC. MIGHT NO LONGER BE CORRECT!]
CHAPTER 1:
POISON BECOMES AN ISSUE
Rumors about a poisoning of Srila Prabhupada have been circulating around the world of devotees ever since Srila Prabhupada’s departure over 20 years ago. Rupanuga Prabhu remembers the subject arose in 1980 and Rupa Vilas Prabhu and this author heard about it in 1990. A few years ago, Satyaraj Prabhu asked his friend Tamal Krishna Goswami about the matter, and was told that these persistent rumors come back to life every so often, much to Tamal’s dismay. Abhinanda Prabhu was recently disturbed by these rumors, as well as many others. Paritrikananda Prabhu in California began to research the rumors and assemble evidence and leads out of his own need for finding the truth. A list of notes in this regard is included as Appendix 9. In early 1996 Paritrikananda Prabhu tried to interest this reporter in the matter, but at the time there did not seem to be any way to convert the rumors into facts. Puranjana Prabhu, a well-known, controversial and vitriolic critic of ISKCON policies, amplified the issue in mid 1997, publishing on the internet information and questions on the subject. At the 1997 Los Angeles Rathayatra, Puranjana was picketing with a large sign which stated that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned, referring to Srila Prabhupada’s own statements to that effect in the Conversations Books.
When Isha Prabhu in Miami heard of the poison issue, he became disturbed, disbelieving all of it as nonsense. He had been Satsvarupa Maharaj’s secretary in Dallas in late 1977. When Satsvarupa Maharaj returned from Vrindaban just after Srila Prabhupada’s departure, Isha was given 20 tapes with instructions to make 10 sets of copies to send to various ISKCON leaders before forwarding the original tapes to the BBT Archives in Los Angeles. Isha Prabhu did this, but kept an extra set for himself. He dug out these tapes after 20 years of storage and made copies for Mahabuddhi Prabhu’s birthday. Isha asked Mahabuddhi to listen to the tapes carefully, as he himself also did, in hopes of finding an answer to the question: was Srila Prabhupada poisoned? These 20 tapes of Srila Prabhupada’s last conversations, although the English portions were transcribed in the Conversations books, had never been released or advertised by the BBT Archives tape ministry. Thus, only a very few devotees had ever listened to them. However, copies are available upon special request from the Archives.
CHAPTER 2:
POISON WHISPERS DISCOVERED
Almost simultaneously, Isha, Mahabuddhi and Balavanta Prabhus found and focused on several whispers on a tape labeled T-46, the third from the last known recording of Srila Prabhupada, and dated November 10 & 11, 1977. Isha Prabhu, a devotee since 1974 and long-time supporter of the Miami ISKCON temple, stated:
“When I first heard of the poisoning issue I became concerned and investigated by listening carefully to the twenty tapes in my library from Oct-Nov 1977. After thoroughly listening to them I concluded that if Srila Prabhupada was poisoned it was the result of accidental overdose or misuse of his medications. That same day Mahabuddhi called and told me of suspicious whispers he had found on the same tapes of November 1977. I examined the whispers carefully using sophisticated electronic equipment, and had enhancements done on the tapes by FBI approved laboratories. My conclusion after hundreds of hours of analysis is that it is possible that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. I called Balavanta and asked him if we could form an investigation committee. He agreed that Mahabuddhi, Jagajivan and myself would be on it and that we could create a forum on ISKCON’s COM so we could communicate privately about these issues.”
This reporter also interviewed Mahabuddhi Prabhu, former temple president, former promoter of Prabhupada’s Palace bus tours in New Vrindaban, and founder of the Florida Vedic College:
“We listened to Srila Prabhupada’s tape of November 10-11. My son Mahasimha, when I was out of the room, had heard a whisper, so he called me back and we played this whisper again. We enhanced it and listened to it, and it really sounded strange. We became a little bit shocked, because we thought we had heard something like: LETS POISON IN THE MILK, and the more we heard it, the more we listened to it, about 100 times that night, the more it sounded that way.”
CHAPTER 3:
WHISPERS ALARM DEVOTEES
Mahabuddhi Prabhu e-mailed his discovery to Balavanta and phoned Isha. Apparently Balavanta and associates in Alachua were already aware of the whisper, because the next day, November 11, 1997, the Vaishnava News Network, or VNN, posted not only Mahabuddhi Prabhu’s letter on the internet, but also a statement from Balavanta as the newly appointed “GBC special investigator.” Apparently the GBC Executive Committee and the GBC Chairman, Madhusevita Prabhu, acted quickly, without full approval of the GBC, by immediately arranging for Balavanta Prabhu to investigate “independently” the alleged poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, beginning with research into the validity and nature of the alarming whispers.
Balavanta’s report stated, regarding the November 10-11 tape (T-46 or #18 out of the last 20):
“…it contains a whisper which refers to poison. This tape was digitally processed for clarity by an independent laboratory in Gainesville, Florida. According to the laboratory technician the following is the probable contents of the whispered statement. Either:
1. “Lets not poison him and go” or
2. “Lets now poison him and go.”
We are currently sending the tape to another laboratory with more advanced equipment for further investigation. We will report the results of that study as available.”
It is noted here that, to the best of our knowledge, this was the first and last public statement made by Balavanta as GBC Special Investigator. Since then, however, Balavanta Prabhu has spoken with others about the investigation unofficially. He, Mahabuddhi and Isha discussed arranging for more testing on the whispers, and Balavanta disclosed that he had sent the T-46 “poison tape” to the National Audio Video Forensic Laboratory in California, headed by a Mr. Norman Perle. Just two months prior, Mrigendra Prabhu, a devotee attorney and former temple president of Los Angeles ISKCON, had sent the famous so-called “appointment tape” of May 28, 1977, to Perle’s lab to test for evidence of alleged tampering or editing. The appointment tape forensic test results will be discussed later on in Chapter 11 and Appendix 1.
Meanwhile, Isha and Mahabuddhi were finding more incriminating-sounding whispers on the same “poison tape.” In total, as reported on VNN, they were:
1. “Lets poison him and go,” or perhaps, “Put poison in the milk”
2. ” poison ishvarya rasa…get ready to go”,
3. “the poison’s going down, the poison’s going down”
4. “put poison in different containers.”
The level of concern and fear amongst devotees became greatly heightened. On November 30, Isha, very expert in manipulation of computer and sound recording equipment, reported on VNN his own personal findings in regards to the poison whispers on the “poison tape.” They were:
- 1. Conversations Vol. 36, pg 373: After Srila Prabhupada asks to lie down flat is heard this whisper: “The poison’s going down..(giggle) the poison’s going down.”
- 2. Con:36.373: After Jayapataka says, “follow the same treatment,” a whisper: “Is the poison in the milk? Um hum.”
- 3. Con:36.374: After Srila Prabhupada says, “Daytime we expose…”, we hear the whisper, “Do it now.” Then Srila Prabhupada drinks something.
- 4. Con:36.378: We hear the whispers, “Jayadwaita… will you serve Srila Prabhupada poison Jayadwaita?”, then several negative responses followed by “Nette, nette.”
- 5. Con:36.391: After Jayapataka says, “Should there be kirtana?” we hear a Bengali phrase, and then the whisper “Poison ishvarya rasa.” Srila Prabhupada says weakly and very surprised, “Me?”, then we hear, “Take it easy, get ready to go,” then a few seconds later, “The poison’s in you Srila Prabhupada.” Then, “He’s going under… He’s going under.” Then Hansadutta’s kirtan began.
The audio clips including the above whispers were posted on VNN on December 5, 1997. It is difficult for many to make out the whispers due to so much of the quality lost in that means of transmission. Dozens upon dozens of devotees have been taken by Naveen Krishna Prabhu in Alachua to a local sound studio to listen to the enhanced and “cleaned up” whispers. Most agree, after listening carefully a few times, and there is no doubt in their minds, what the whispers are about: Srila Prabhupada was poisoned in a conspiracy by His own closest disciples. The number of devotees with this experience in Naveen Krishna’s sound studio continues to grow as time goes on.
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/vnn-audio-files.html
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
CHAPTER 4:
POISON INVESTIGATIONS BEGIN
While Perle was analyzing the poison tape as per Balavanta’s instructions, Isha called Perle and discussed the whispers’ locations on the tape. Perle stated that he had been asked to study only one whisper, and to do it on a shoestring budget. It has been unofficially learned that the report Balavanta received from Perle soon thereafter did NOT verify the whispers, and the report has never been made public. Surprised to hear this, Isha called Norman Perle to discuss his findings. Isha relates his talk with Perle:
“I had discussed with Perle about several locations of the tape which contained whispers but when Balavanta received his report there was a great deal of confusion about what Perle had actually analyzed. I called Perle the day after my conversations with Balavanta to discuss my concerns about which sections of the tape he was listening to. I could not get a clear answer from him but he did make a statement which raised my suspicions even higher. He said that conversations and events on the tape did not represent the actual events taking place. He said that he was 95% convinced of that.”
Balavanta Prabhu also could not clearly identify for Isha which sections of the tape or which whispers Perle had examined. Thus it was speculated that Perle had analyzed the wrong whispers on the tape, as there are many throughout the tape, and did not examine the ones referring to poison. Interestingly, though, Perle had alluded to fraudulent tampering of the tape, a subject we address later. Suffice it to say at this point that Perle mistakenly thought that the stop-start routine of recording was evidence of tampering. Mahabuddhi and Isha were disturbed that Perle’s report was not made available to them to verify or contradict their suspicion that the wrong whispers were examined. The credibility, accurateness and value of Perle’s report to Balavanta was thus deemed highly questionable.
Also, at this time, Balavanta Prabhu now would no longer take a personal position on the whisper issue as he had at the start. He had become private, grave, and attorney-like in his behavior. Further, what had begun as a cooperative effort had now effectively split into two groups: the secretive, “independent” GBC investigation and the work done by an entity called the Independent Vaishnava Council, with Mahabuddhi and Isha Prabhus’ participation. Isha explains his disappointment with Balavanta:
“Balavanta informed me that there was no longer an investigation committee and that he was going to act alone based on the GBC’s instruction. I had already shared with him all the information I had gathered from the tapes and became further disturbed because of his breaking our agreement. Over the next several days I sent out several more e-mails detailing the results from the sound labs I had worked with in Miami. The VNN website (vnn.org) agreed to publish my findings. The CHAKRA website (chakra.org), which was created later, has refused to post my reports, however.”
Mahabuddhi also states: “…we had cleaned some tapes and made some enhancements on some segments …we actually delivered these tapes to Balavanta who came to West Palm Beach to meet with us. We were always very cooperative, and at that point we thought we were working as a group or a team, but then he told me that actually he’s now the only investigator.”
Mahabuddhi and Isha then decided to continue with their audio forensics investigation on their own. At this point this reporter became intimately involved in their investigation. The whispers were digitally enhanced and cleaned for clarity by prominent and first-class sound studios, one of which was Soundtrack, Inc of Miami, headed by George Blackwell. Mr. Blackwell, who does a lot of work for law enforcement agencies, reported in early December, 1997:
“First of all, what I remember hearing on his tape after cleanup was “It’s not poison in the milk” or, allowing for an unusual speech pattern by the speaker, “It’s not poisoned milk.” As in handwriting analysis, one calls upon other skills besides engineering for this type of work. At this point I relied heavily upon my 25 years of experience in musical training and in recording voices for commercials and narrations.”
George Blackwell then describes how he adjusted the pitch, filters and equalizer to obtain a variety of listening conditions. His conclusions, it must be noted, however, were based ultimately upon listening with the human ear and did not include more sophisticated analytical methods.
Harikesh Maharaj, then the GBC for much of Europe and the principal guru-power/broker in ISKCON, reported on the internet that by listening to the whispers with the equipment used for his tape ministry, he and his aides could not hear anywhere the word “poison” being whispered. He did admit, though, that it remained a big mystery to him as to why Srila Prabhupada would say that he was being poisoned.
Bir Krishna Maharaj (GBC vice-chairman at the time), Bhakticharu Swami (ISKCON guru), and Rabindra Swarup Prabhu (GBC and ISKCON spokesman), made a joint statement on the internet on January 17, 1998 that they also had listened to the poison tape, and in their opinion, the whisper about “poison in different containers” was actually “posing different opinions.” They also had several Bengalis translate the whisper “poison ishvarya rasa” as a Bengali term meaning “in a few days time.” It should be clarified, however, that the whispered poison phrase comes right after the Bengali phrase so translated. This attempted sweeping aside of one of the four whispers is the same kind of error likely made by Norman Perle analyzing a non-poison whisper and then saying there is no poison word. One wonders whether these GBC’s were doing shabby or dishonest reporting; it is quite obvious to anyone who listens to the tape that the poison whispers comes after the Bengali speaker.
News of the poison issue circulated quickly and was featured on the internet by the VNN and, later, by the “ISKCON-friendly” CHAKRA websites. Visits to VNN’s site tripled as thousands checked in every day for “poison issue” news, showing that devotees worldwide were very interested and concerned about the poison issue. It was clearly not a non-issue.
CHAPTER 5:
ISKCON STATEMENT
Given the seriousness of the matter, it is surprising that for many weeks no official statement was issued by ISKCON. Finally, on December 7, 1997 it came, composed by Bir Krishna Maharaj and, as he put it, “stiffened-up” by Rabindra Swarup Prabhu and Mukunda Maharaj. It read:
“Certain conspiracy theorists have been propagating of late the allegation that the Founder-Acharya of ISKCON met his demise on November 14, 1977 due to intentional poisoning at the hands of his own disciples. The GBC of ISKCON considers this charge both absurd and offensive. Based on considerable testimony from those present at the time, and on its own preliminary internal study, the GBC is convinced that no such evil deed or even intention existed at the time. The GBC is certain that Srila Prabhupada’s passing away was due to entirely natural causes, as his doctors stated.
Some persons have claimed that they heard the word “poison” whispered on a tape said to have been made in Srila Prabhupada’s room. Many others, however, find the whispers indecipherable. In other words, one can read into the whisper almost anything one chooses. Nonetheless, some persons are bent on establishing the false and malicious theory that some of Prabhupada’s own disciples conspired to poison him.
To refute this charge beyond the slightest doubt, the GBC has given the original tape over to independent forensic experts for detailed analysis. The singular purpose is to lay to rest malevolently motivated theories about Srila Prabhupada’s passing. According to Balavanta das, head of independent investigation, “Initial reports from two of the forensic laboratories, both of which used equipment more sophisticated than any previously applied, do not find the word poison on the tape and do not support allegations of any wrongdoing.”
It is now clear to the GBC that the report of taped whispering conspirators is a false alarm. The GBC is confident that the final forensic report will confirm these preliminary findings.”
This official statement, one of only two issued by ISKCON at the time this publication went to press (the other is Appendix 21), has dismayed many devotees who had hoped ISKCON would lead the search for the truth. Now, anyone who would feel or express justifiable and legitimate concern over the circumstances of Srila Prabhupada’s departure from this mortal world, has been condemned as a virtual enemy of ISKCON. It is perhaps this blatant shunning of efforts of cooperative goodwill offered by those outside the institutional walls that feeds the perception of a dishonest GBC, who many feel has become expert in keeping closed a Pandora’s box of gruesome ghosts collected over 22 years of embarrassing history.
The GBC says they are “convinced and certain that Srila Prabhupada was not poisoned.” Yet at least some of the GBC’sarranged for Balavanta’s investigation to research the matter, indicating that even they have some doubts. Suspicions arose in the minds of many about the GBC’s honesty and the supposed independent investigation they initiated. Does the apparent half-hearted and non-aggressive nature of Balavanta’s investigation have to do with the GBC’s influence, who, in a state of denial, hopes this issue will fade away? Does this look like an open and honest attempt to satisfy natural and obvious questions raised by the evidence itself?
Has Balavanta Prabhu decided to maintain silence until he can accumulate enough evidence to make a complete report? Are Balavanta and Naveen Krishna Prabhus, past and former GBC members, compromised by their past political allegiances, or are they truly concerned in uncovering the truth of the poison issue?
What are the findings of the “considerable testimony and preliminary internal study”? What in this material has so thoroughly convinced the writers of the ISKCON statement that there is no cause for concern- why not share this with the Vaishnava community? Where are the doctors’ statements verifying natural causes to Srila Prabhupada’s passing away? (There is no indication that such a thing ever existed!)
If ISKCON is really to refute the supposed charges of poisoning beyond the slightest doubt, as they say, then they should immediately enlighten everyone with full disclosure of all their findings, such as their audio lab reports, interviews, if any, and a full explanation and answering of questions by Srila Prabhupada’s secretary and primary caretaker for most of 1977: Tamal Krishna Goswami. When contacted by Dhaneshwar on behalf of this author, Tamal refused to discuss the issue or answer questions, saying that there was already an ongoing investigation. Tamal previously told Satyaraj Prabhu that if he answers one question, there will be hundreds more (Yes! and all should be answered! Why not?)
Also, what was the second audio forensic lab report obtained by Balavanta Prabhu? One report was the Norman Perle report, which may be of dubious value, as we will see later herein when reporting on Perle’s appointment tape analysis. Was the other lab the sound studio in Gainesville? What other audio forensics had Balavanta Prabhu done, if any? …….
Complete Article here:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/prabhupada-poisoned-part6.html
Will be continued on Part 7
Chapter 7 to Chapter 11
Srila Prabhupada left this mortal world on November 14, 1977.
But He lives forever in His instructions, and His followers will always live with Him.
“He reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die
While thou art living still in sound!
The Vaishnavas die to live, and living try
To spread the Holy Name around”
(Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Thākura)
HARE KṚṢṆA HARE KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA KṚṢṆA HARE HARE
HARE RĀMA HARE RĀMA RĀMA RĀMA HARE HARE
pamho agtACBSP
Thank you for posting this article. Actually SRILA PRABHUPADA died out of love for us as JESUS CHRIST died by taking the sins of all the human society, and the guru hoaxers are still keeping sinning by going against this universal love established by the saktya avesa avataras. JESUS CHRIST and SRILA PRABHUPADA got empowered directly by SRI KRSNA BHAGAVAT for a specific mission. If SRILA PRABHUPADA was stay in HIS country could avoid to get poisoned until death and although SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKUR knew what was going to happen to HIS most brilliant disciple HE didn’t say nothing because HE knew also that HDG ACBSP was going to leave HIS body completely undisturbed by being fully free from the bodily concept of life.
The doctor also said this person is not a ordinary living being because anyone in HIS conditions would be crying by acute pains, this is the proof that SRILA PRABHUPADA was completely pure and free from the bodily concept of life like JESUS CHRIST HE was not suffering when they crucified HIM HE just said father forgive them because they don’t know what they are doing. SRILA PRABHUPADA just said everything is moving by SRI KRSNA this consciousness is Krsna consciousness, these are the last words of our guru maharaj before to leave us through the vapu seva.
That’s the final lesson, our guru maharaj is teaching us that life is still keeping going even after death as JESUS CHRIST showed to HIS disciples after HIS physical death HE did the last dinner with all of them with HIS spiritual body. SRILA PRABHUPADA also appeared with HIS spiritual body to rescue the first french blooped sannyasi in hospital, SRILA PRABHUPADA YOU came, this is what the sannyasi said before to leave his body said the doctors to the devotees. Although the time places and circumstances of the saktya avesa avataras are different THEIR teaching is still keeping going for long time like that one of JESUS CHRIST alot of followers still meditating on the vani seva of HDG JESUS CHRIST because THEIR teaching come straight away from the supersoul is not temporary like all the polluted teaching of all the guru hoaxers without any order authority and power given by the acharyas.
The main point is that tamala asura kirtanananda jaya tirtha etc..missed a very great opportunity by making their salvation to become their most heavy punishment by taking SRILA PRABHUPADA for a ordinary living entity without any divine power therefore they got a very bad karma still to finish to pay for their unlimited offences to the lotus feet of a maha bhagavata devotee.
agtSP
ys haribol
Note: Compiled this long while ago – devotees may want to read.
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POISON ISSUE
Prabhupada: SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Note: Srila Prabhupada was aware of the plot to kill him in 1976.
So the question is WHO is “they”?
760503rc.hon Conversations
Prabhupada: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krsna
movement. In India also, although India’s… They will want to crush down
this movement. So this will be up to Him. Krsna or Krsna’s movement, the
same thing. And Krsna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and
his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don’t be
disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krsna’s
favor is there, because Krsna and Krsna’s movement is not different,
nondiff…, identical. So as Krsna was attempted to be killed, many, many
years before He appeared… At eighth child, if the mother produces child
yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be
attempted to be killed. So there may be attempt like that. And Lord Jesus
Christ was killed. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Note: Trouble from Subordinates Juniors(disciples “they”)
770811rc.vrn Conversations
Abhirama: So I went to see the astrologer with Yasodanandana Swami, and he
did more calculations on your chart.
Prabhupada: You can get on light.
Abhirama: So basically he explained when the difficult times will come,
according to the planets. Then he made it very clear that beyond the
planetary influence, it would be very difficult for calculations for a
person in your position. For an ordinary man he can say very clearly. And he
can say for you which planets will disturb, but he cannot say for sure how
much they will affect, because being a saintly person, there is naturally
some resistance to these influences. So he made that very clear, that you
should not think that these are final. So he said, according to your birth,
the longevity shows very clearly. And then he gave a date. The longevity is
eighty-one years, five months and twenty-nine days, which means February 28,
1978, six months from now. This is according to birth and stars arrangement.
But on this point he made it very clear that this was from your birth, this
was set, but it can change. Due to pious activities, due to the hand of
Krsna, this can change. So… And then he described that during the next six
months, the first week of September, Saturn will pass over Ketu, and it will
agitate the influence of Ketu even more. So the first week of September the
resistance will go down, will become weaker. THEN HE MENTIONED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME TROUBLE FROM…, MAYBE FINANCIAL OR MAYBE FROM JUNIORS, FROM SUBORDINATES
Note: Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to be killed by “they” (disciples)
Otherwise why does he say BETTER KILL ME HERE.
771022rc.vrn Conversations
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I’ll guide. Don’t move me to the hospital. BETTER KILL ME
HERE.
Note: It is a particularly astounding statement to be made at the time
when Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away soon. Marica was under
the order of Ravana to kill Rama (which he knew he was not capable of).
Ravana would kill Marica; If he failed to accomplish Ravana’s order. So
either way Marica knew he was going to be killed. (By being killed by Rama
Marica would be fortunate as it opened the door of liberation).
Srila Prabhupada similarly KNEW he would be killed.
Srila Prabhupada had the following choices: 1) to have him killed in hospital (which “they”would have done –also!)
2) to be killed by his own disciples at Krishna Balarama Temple (who were poisoning him) while hearing
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare /Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare. These were the TWO options. The option to ENGAGE his
disciples in devotional service chanting the Hare Krishna maha-mantra even to the last
end was what he chose in spite of (“they”) their evil intent to kill him.
Note : Srila Prabhupada is talking of BEING KILLED by EITHER PARTY. Let us note that Parikarma with buffalos was danger in his state of health BUT the OTHER issue was THE POISONERS who will NOT let him go they were determined to KILL him THERE if he stayed INSIDE.
771110rc.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY
RAMA. EH? That Marica–if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by
Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krsna: WHO is this Prabhupada’s talking about?
Note: HOY TO TAI. (Its possible), “YE SAB FRIENDS” (THESE ALL FRIENDS),
“they” these are VERY SELECTIVE WORDS of a CAREFUL SPEECH. They are POINTING WORDS.
Conversation Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. HOY TO TAI.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. IT’S POSSIBLE.
Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
Translation: What is he saying?
Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.
Kaviraja: Kisko?
Translation: To whom?
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
Translation: To me.
Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
Translation: Who said?
Srila Prabhupada: YE SAB FRIENDS.
Translation: THESE ALL FRIENDS.
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
Note: Srila Prabhupada’s consciousness was not like a conditioned soul sleep
in ignorance. From this it is evident HE DID HEAR THE WHISPERS OF “they” WHO WERE POISONING HIM. Srila Prabhupada was FULLY CONSCIOUS of ALL that was going on. He could hear EVERYTHING.
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, BUT IT IS SAID.
**IF** Srila Prabhupada was in a deep slumber of a conditioned soul-he would
have NOT heard. BUT he DID HEAR-therefore “BUT IT IS SAID”. Who ” they” are he does not wish to disclose DIRECTLY.
There is also a DEFINITE link between the 9th July letter to society on the
order of RITVIK system. Srila Prabhupada’s clear instructions are that he
Srila Prabhupada is the Initiating Guru of ISKCON. This ORDER was NEVER
REVOKED by Srila Prabhupada. THIS signalled warrant for his kill! Srila
Prabhupada did not compromise: HE WAS** THE** GURU OF ISKCON. This was
unacceptable to “they” (Srila Prabhupada murderers).
The motives of these disciples (“they”, Srila Prabhupada murderers) were to
somehow or other GET RID OF this July 9th 1977 directive-in order to
implement their devious plan.
Now “they” who poisoned Srila Prabhupada knew and feared all devotees would
find out. So in the beginning it was HIDDEN from the majority of devotees.
Why? And eventually it was the banned “ritvik” devotees who distributed
thousands of this 9th July 1977 directive ALL OVER THE WORLD. “They” had to
respond-no choice. Devotees ALL OVER THE WORLD FOUND OUT.
Hear this feeble excuse? “Tamal Krsna typed it out -Srila Prabhupada just
signed it. ”
So—-Srila Prabhupada had signed MANY transactions, letters to devotees,
the Incorporation of ISKCON in USA etc. **IF** July 9th 1977 letter is
rejected as having been Tamal Krsna’s “personal choice” -then ISKCON
Incorporation, letters to devotees EVERYTHING typed by devotees and signed
by Srila Prabhupada would be discarded on the same merit. See how CRAZY it
looks!!. Srila Prabhupada KNEW EXACTLY what he signed.
Tamal Krsna’s position was as a SECRETARY and Srila Prabhupada was THE BOSS. Secretary can type, design letter according to THE WISHES of THE BOSS.
Secretary’s position is SUBSERVIENT to the BOSS— not independent.
Why “they” had THE MOTIVE FOR MURDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.:
1) Discarding the RITVIK system means “they” have free
servants/slaves(disciples).
2) Discarding the RITVIK system means “they” have the satisfaction of
worship of themselves replacing Srila Prabhupada as the Initiator.
3) Discarding the RITVIK system means “they” have the daksina MONEY for
their own lusty desires.
Free income from servant/slave(disciple).
4) Discarding the RITVIK system means “they” OWN properties, usurp temples.
5) Discarding the RITVIK system means “they” manipulate devotees.
6) Discarding the RITVIK system means “they” prevent Srila Prabhupada’s
ORIGINAL BOOKS from printing/ distributing in LARGE quantities.
7) Discarding the Ritvik system means “they” and KEY men Temple Presidents
etc loot exploit the ISKCON society funds
Note:”They” Srila Prabhupada murderers destination:
Isopanisad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional
service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of
Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death.
In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully
depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving
the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS
RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD.
SUCH VIOLATORS OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE AUTHORITATIVE ACARYAS, THE HOLY TEACHERS IN THE STRICT DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. **THEY** IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”—and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.”
Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called
acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.
These rogues are the MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the
state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly
declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious
propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg.
16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Question: Just HOW MUCH poison was given IN THE NAME of MEDICINE or MIXED WITH medicine?
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Bhakti-caru: Pressure is good. When Dr. Ghosh came, that other Dr. Ghosh
came… (Hindi) …pressure, 180 and 80. (Hindi) He’s saying that in this
condition, Prabhupada can’t take makara-dhvaja. THAT ANY MEDICINE THAT
CONTAINS MERCURY AND ARSENIC IS POISON TO HIM.
Bhavananda: That’s what Prabhupada said.
Tamala Krsna: That is a fact. HE FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE
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Note: sceptics may disagree but Srila Prabhupada gives here HIS verdict from HIS OWN MOUTH.
WHY does Srila Prabhupada say YES?
Srila Prabhupada : YES
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Tamala Krsna: We certainly have… We might as well try. We’ve tried
everyone else.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: So let us try.
Bhavananda: He did agree with YOUR OWN DIAGNOSIS, PRABHUPADA. HE SAID
MAKARADHVAJA AT THIS POINT WOULD BE POISON AND TODAY YOU SAID THAT IT WAS POISON.
Prabhupada: YES.
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Prabhupada: …taking poison. The body is already finished.
Upendra: What is that?
Tamala Krsna: HE SAID, “IF YOU THINK I’M TAKING POISON, that the body is
already finished.”
Prabhupada: So dead body, you take poison or ambrosia, it is the same. Blind
man, night or day–the same thing. Rather, if you depend on miracle, pray to
Krsna that “He may survive.
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Tamal Krsna KNEW that ARSENIC was POISON. HOW MUCH QUANTITY did he ADD to the medicine?
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Prabhupada: Now, “pervades the body,” that is consciousness. The soul is
very small, but… Just like you take one grain of, what is called, poison?
Snake poison? Arsenic? Poison called? What is called? Yes, venom poison.
Tamala Krsna: ARSENIC IS POISON.
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WHY is it RELEVANT to bring in the “KILL” by either side? Especially at THIS TIME when Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away.
771110rc.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY
RAMA. EH? That Marica–if he does not go to mislead Sita, he’ll be killed by
Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krsna: Who is this Prabhupada’s talking about?
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Note: Srila Prabhupada sends Tamal OUT of the room THIS is when POISON was
mentioned in HINDI
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Prabhupada: No. (break) (Hindi) Tamala Krsna?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Give facility for him, ten rupees.
Tamala Krsna: This gentleman?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Ten rupees.
Prabhupada: And some fruits.
Tamala Krsna: Uncut.
Prabhupada: Uncut, yes.
Tamala Krsna: Okay.
Indian man: (Hindi)
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: I’ll give him the fruits now, Srila Prabhupada? I have some
fruits. I can give him now?
Prabhupada: Hm. (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: WHAT DID PRABHUPADA SAY?
Note: TKG wanted to KNOW if Srila Prabhupada had told them ABOUT HIS POISONING – because PERHAPS ***THIS** was the ONLY chance Srila Prabhupada had to inform OUTSIDE WORLD what was ACTUALLY taking place.
AND he was speaking in HINDI so this “FRIENDS” will not hear it.
Note: Srila Prabhupada says don’t torture me
and put to death. WHY say this UNLESS IT IS HAPPENING!!!
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Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don’t torture me
and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches
chant, I’ll hear. (Bengali)
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Prabhupada: (Hindi–mentions word “poison”)
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Devotee: SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON HERE.
Kaviraja: (Hindi long explanation)
Tamala Krsna: PRABHUPADA WAS THINKING THAT SOMEONE HAD POISONED HIM.
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Tamala Krsna: I mean we have to go on some basis, Srila Prabhupada. And from
the… What we can see, we can see. Whatever you ate turned into stool. Now,
that is a good sign. That’s a good sign. If it didn’t come out of its own
accord, that’s due to less strength. And by drinking a lot yesterday, this
morning the urine becomes clear, and by taking those medicines. These are
actual, factual things we can observe. One thing is, you don’t feel able to
sleep. That’s a bad thing. And the other thing is your being so weak
condition that your willpower is weakened. Your determination is weakened.
So so far as those two problems go, for sleeping I know that something can
be given to help you to sleep. So far willpower, if you allow us to take
care of you, then I think that should be the willpower. OF COURSE, I MEAN
WE’RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM DO ANYTHING BAD. I MEAN I’M NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL. I WOULDN’T HAVE DONE IT IN LONDON , EXCEPT THAT YOU YOURSELF SAID WE SHOULD DO IT. Otherwise your instructions told to
everybody, “Don’t let them take me to a hospital.” So we’re not thinking
like that. Neither I’m going to let anybody put any, take any blood specimen
or any of those things. It’s not required. These things which they’re giving
you are not… The only harmful effect is that you cannot sleep. But that
can be given. To help you sleep can be helped. Otherwise this kaviraja’s
medicine, it may be less agitating to take, but does it actually work? Now
for nearly half a day you have drank only one time a little bit. But you
want us to take care of you and help you, then I think you should accept
these… I mean they’re very reasonable arguments.
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Note: Hospital means Poison SYMPTOMS would SHOW.
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Tamala Krsna: I said supposing someone threatens us with our life, that “We
will kill you if you don’t let us take your Guru Maharaja to the hospital,”
still, we will not let them take you. Your order is our business to follow,
even at the risk of our life. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE
HOSPITAL UNDER ANY CONDITION. Neither… Not only is it your order, but we
also see absolutely no benefit from these hospitals. Your order is
sufficient, but apart from that, also, from our own limited intelligence, we
also see that the hospitals are condemned. These doctors are blind, these
allopathic doctors.
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The ACARYA of the GREAT institution does NOT make frivolous comments like a mundaner. His instructions are GUIDANCE for humanity.
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Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I’ll guide. Don’t move me to the hospital. BETTER KILL ME
HERE.
If one is AT ALL SERIOUS in knowing the TRUTH then the least they have to go thru all this PLUS the CDs whispers. Tamal Krishna Goswami’s voice is CLEAR “poison is going down”
EVEN the most uneducated person who is SINCERE will accept WHERE is the POISON going down – they have made Srila Prabhupada DRINK IT and it is GOING
DOWN HIS THROAT. There were few voices captured. 1) Tamal Krishna Goswami 2) Bhavananda who was there when he RESPONDED: HUH. There was one voice INDIAN who mentioned poison in the background. 3) There was a voice that said Jaya it could be Jayapataka or Jayadwaita or BOTH. 4) there was a apparently Indian voice that said “Pyabhaichary poison is put in the Milk.”
Letters 70-01-30
Letter to: Jayadvaita Los Angeles
30 January, 1970
Boston
My Dear Jayadvaita,
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge recept of your letter dated 28 January, 1970.
I am very glad to learn that Nectar of Devotion is now completed. You have inquired about the quality number 63 of Krishna that He is surrounded by loving devotees can be explained as follows: When we speak of Krishna, Krishna is not alone. Krishna means His name, His qualities, His fame, His friends, His paraphernalia, His entourage–everything included. Just like when we speak of a king, it is to be understood that he is surrounded by ministers, secretaries, military commanders and many other people. Krishna is not impersonal, so in His Vrindaban Lila especially, He is always surrounded by the Gopis, cowherd boys, His father, His mother and all the inhabitants of Vrindaban.
Regarding your second question, Pyabhaichary, you have got 31 only out of 33. I think some of the brackets are not counted. So if the parentheses are removed from “intoxication” and “impotency” and they are also counted, the total of symptoms will come to 33. Simply add commas after the preceeding symptoms namely “prestige” and “impudence” respectively.
Regarding the third point: all kinds of mellow includes servitude. Therefore a mixture of servitude and parenthood is not incompatible. So Ugrasena’s mellow is correctly written as mixed with servitude and parental affection and the statement in part IV should be corrected to state that a mixture of parenthood and servitude is a compatible one.
I hope this will meet you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS:db
A point to note : Jayapataka was always in the company of Tamala Krishna Goswami and Bhavananda. AND if TKG was involved we KNOW Bhavananda gave himself away THEN Jayapataka MUST be there. no? MOTIVE is there.
The following site has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click here or
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
And for Individual highlighted louder version of the whole CD , please go to
http://www.culturedbooks.com/audio/audio-address.html
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Subj: Hoy to tai.
Date: 11/18/99 8:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: mahesh.r@virgin.net (Mahesh Raja)
Reply-to: mahesh.r@virgin.net (Mahesh Raja)
To: adri@cwcom.net (Adridharan das)
Dear Adridharana Dasa Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please accept my humble obeisances.
The GBC’s “Official Investigation” on the poison issue is more like asking
a bunch of foxes to go in and count the number of chickens in a closed
chicken filled compact hatch. And the “official” response will be: there is
NONE! (All evidence hidden in the stomach).
Its an open secret for their fat paypackets and money earning schemes the
GBC have lied and evaded consistently to the society about implementing the
July 9th 1977 final order(signed PERSONALLY by His Divine Grace Srila
Prabhupada) to implement the Ritvik System. What more proof do you require
about their “genuine” sincereity? They only launched “official
Investigation” when the subject could not be be hidden anymore. So lets not
be naive.
You wrote: “Naturally, we can only rely on the actual words Srila
Prabhupada spoke on
this issue to determine whether he himself believed that he was
deliberately poisoned”.
UNLESS Srila Prabhupada actually believed this WHY does he CONFIRM: Hoy to
tai (Its possible).
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible.
We have to understand that there are two issues:
1) Srila Prabhupada is a Vaisnava of the highest calibre and therefore NOT
going to PROTEST at this barbaric brutal act committed PERSONALLY against him.
2)As an acarya he IS STILL DUTY BOUND to give instructions to the society
what exactly happened ie. on HOW he was poisoned WITHOUT himself protesting
that he HAS been poisoned.
Thus Srila Prabhupada FULFILLS the above two contradictory points by
saying: Keu bole (Someone says). Srila Prabhupada is not going to utter
even a slight protest at this most henious activity. This is the QUALITY of
a VAISNAVA. If “someone says” something which Srila Prabhupada ALREADY KNEW
was happening what is the difference when Srila Prabhupada simply
REPEATS(“I’ve been poisoned”) this is an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT or CONFIRMATION
even if the words are the SAME. This shows Srila Prabhupada as an EXPERT
who did NOT transgress the Vaisnava etiquette. Neither did Srila Prabhupada
fail to disclose that he has been poisoned SIMULTANEOUSLY.
So he SIMULTANEOUSLY said the words “I’ve been poisoned” and did not say
it. Srila Prabhupada next says: Hoy to tai(It’s possible). We have to
UNDERSTAND that Srila Prabhupada is ADMITTING by ACKNOWLEDGING. Srila
Prabhupada is SAYING Hoy to tai. IT’S POSSIBLE!!!! What Srila Prabhupada Is
TELLING US is in the language of inconceivable
SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS and DIFFERENCE that he HAS been poisoned.
Thus Srila Prabhupada is ACTUALLY SPEAKING THE WORDS:
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible.
Based on 1) here are a few examples on how a Vaisnava does not PERSONALLY
protest:
SB 6.1.16 P
When a devotee is put into hellish conditions, he accepts them as Krsna’s
mercy: tat te ‘nukampam susamiksamanah (Bhag. 10.14.8). He does NOT PROTEST
, “Oh, I am such a great devotee of Krsna. Why have I been put into this
misery?” Instead he thinks, “This is Krsna’s mercy.”
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This is the qualification of sadhu. Sadhu is TITIKSAVA, tolerates all kinds
of miserable conditions. He is sadhu. Because this is a place of miserable
condition. A sadhu learns how to tolerate. Sadhu is never disturbed. Yasmin
sthito gurunapi duhkhena na vicalyate. A sadhu, who has got the shelter of
Krsna, if he is placed in the severest type of dangerous condition, he is
never disturbed. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, his father was putting him in
so many dangerous conditions, even he was supplying with poison. He knew
that “My father has given me poison to drink. All right, let me drink. If
Krsna likes, He will save me. I am now put into such dangerous position. I
have to drink. Father is giving poison. Who can check?” And such a big
powerful Hiranyakasipu. The mother cried, requested… He forced the
mother, Prahlada’s mother, “Give your son this poison.” So she begged so
much, but he was a rascal demon. “NO, YOU MUST GIVE.” SO THE MOTHER KNEW,
THE SON KNEW THAT THE RASCAL FATHER IS GIVING THIS POISON. WHAT CAN HE DO, A SMALL CHILD? “ALL RIGHT, LET ME DRINK.” GURUNAPI DUHKHENA NA VICALYATE.
HE IS NOT AGITATING. “ALL RIGHT, IF KRSNA LIKES, I WILL LIVE.” THIS IS THE POSITION OF SADHU. HE IS NOT DISTURBED. TITIKSAVAH. IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, HE IS TOLERANT. That is sadhu. Sadhu does not become disturbed. Titiksavah. At the same time, karunikah. He is himself disturbed, but he is merciful to others.
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Just like Jesus Christ. He is being CRUCIFIED, and still he is merciful:
“God, these people do not know what they are doing. Please excuse them.”
This is sadhu.
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If you want to chant Hare Krsna mantra, then you have to take this
principle, trnad api sunicena. You have to become humbler than the grass.
Grass, it is lying on the street. Everyone is trampling down. Never
protests. In the lawn you are… Everyone is trampling the grass. There is
no protest. Taror api sahisnuna. AND TOLERANT THAN THE TREE. THE TREE IS
GIVING US SO MUCH HELP. IT IS GIVING US FRUIT, FLOWER, LEAVES, AND WHEN
THERE IS SCORCHING HEAT, SHELTER ALSO. SIT DOWN UNDERNEATH. SO BENEFICIAL,
STILL, WE CUT. AS SOON AS I LIKE, I CUT IT DOWN. BUT THERE IS NO PROTEST.
The tree does not say, “I have given you so much help, and you are cutting
me?” No. Tolerant. Yes. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has selected, taror
api sahisnuna. And amanina manadena. For oneself one should not expect any
respectful position, but he, the devotee, should offer all respect to
anyone. Amanina manadena kirtaniyah sada harih. If we acquire this
qualification, then we can chant Hare Krsna maha-mantra without any
disturbance. This is the qualification.
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NOTE: here Srila Prabhupada is confirming having heard from “friends” “THEY
all say” BUT with FURTHER pressure from Tamal Krishna he says “I do not
know, but it is said”. We all know about the WHISPERS we heard: here is the
CONFIRMATION Srila Prabhupada DID hear. Again note carefully Srila
Prabhupada is NOT going to PROTEST at this ghastly systematic execution but
still as DUTY of an ACARYA dictates he IS REVEALING it as: “they all ”
“friends”. Perfection of Simultaneous oneness and difference role.
Exchange 1 – Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible.
Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
Translation: What is he saying?
Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.
Kaviraja: Kisko?
Translation: To whom?
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
Translation: To me.
Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
Translation: Who said?
Srila Prabhupada: Ye sab friends.
Translation: These all friends.
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
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Note: NOW Srila Prabhupada is disclosing the SYMPTOMS of POISONING. What
happens when one is given poison. Again he is NOT protesting but still
DISCLOSING the FACTS when a person is ACTUALLY given poison what happens.
ALSO he CONFIRMS the ACCEPTED SYMPTOMS to be verified in a book. Exchange 2
– Hindi Only (9/11/77)
Kaviraja: Yah, maharaj ji, kotha ap kaise bola aj ki apko koi bola hai ki
apko poison diya hai. Ap ko kuch abhas hua hai, kya?
Translation: Maharaj, how did you say this, that someone has said that
someone has poisoned you? Have you felt something?
Srila Prabhupada: Nahin, aise koi bola je. debe-sa hi ja hota hai. Shayad
koi kitab men likha hai.
Translation: No, not said, but when one is given poison, it happens like
this. It’s written in a book.
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Note: once again NO PROTEST. Srila Prabhupada IS giving strong hints on the
symptoms in the book.
Exchange 3 – English Only (9/11/77)
Tamal Krishna: Srila Prabhupada? You said before that you. that it is said
that you were poisoned?:
Srila Prabhupada: No. These kind of symptoms are seen when a man is
poisoned. He said like that, not that I am poisoned.
Tamal Krishna: Did anyone tell you that, or you just know it from before?
Srila Prabhupada: I read something.
Conclusion
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Krsna, God, is never tolerant of offenses committed at the lotus feet of a
Vaisnava. Krpambudhi: a Vaisnava is an ocean of mercy. VANCHA-KALPA-TARU:
EVERYONE HAS DESIRES, BUT A VAISNAVA CAN FULFILL ALL DESIRES. KALPA-TARU
MEANS “DESIRE TREE.”
We believe Srila Prabhupada was POSSIBLY poisoned. Srila Prabhupada KNEW it
but did NOT protest on the contrary he FULFILLED their desires.Simultaneously Srila Prabhupada himself disclosed:Hoy to tai. He was POSSIBLY poisoned. The motive: discarding July9th 1977 instruction (to implement the ritvik system) and usurp Srila Prabhupada’s disciples and properties. Money, power, fame,self-aggrandizement of self made gurus (voted-in cheaters).
Srila Prabhupada is ACTUALLY SPEAKING THE WORDS:
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. IT’S POSSIBLE
Yes —we agree HOY TO TAI.
Note: Vahi bat NOT ONLY means “That same discussion” but can ALSO mean: the
SAME words or the SAME talk. Srila Prabhupada: Vahi bat… je koi hamko
poison kiya. Translation: That same discussion . that someone has poisoned
me.
So instead of the above translation we have: Translation: That SAME
words… THAT: “SOMEONE HAS POISONED ME”.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu’s comment is very-very nice , deep and touching.
“Tell a friend ”
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada !
In the exchange conversation on 9/11/77 which I reproduce here below ;
Srila Prabhupada: Ye sab friends.
Translation: These all friends.
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
In the above conversation, we read that ” Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
My question is ; WHO is that Krishna das, Tamal is referring to ?
Why did he bring out that name of Krishna das right after Srila Prabhupada speaks ; ” Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche. ” ?
It indicates that Tamal perhaps knew it thoroughly and suddenly he spoke that name ” Krishna das” right after Srila Prabhupada spoke ; ” Ke boleche “.
Can some body shed some more light regarding who is that ” Krishna das ” and why that name came out from Tamala’s mouth ?
Hari BOL. AGTSP.