Srila Prabhupada’s warning about demoniac person even though they may be in the sampradaya of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
tānra krpā nahe yāre, pandita nahe kene
tānra krpā—His mercy; nahe—there is not; yāre—unto whom; pandita—learned scholar; nahe—even though; kene—nevertheless; dekhile—even by seeing; śunileha—even by listening; tānre—Him; īśvara—as the Supreme Personality of Godhead; nā māne—does not accept.
TRANSLATION
“If the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not bestowed upon a person-regardless of how learned a scholar that person may be and regardless of his seeing or listening-he cannot accept Lord Caitanya as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.”
PURPORT
The same principles can be applied to demoniac persons, even though they be in the sampradāya of Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Without receiving the Lord’s special power, one cannot preach His glories all over the world. Even though one may celebrate himself as a learned follower of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and even though one may attempt to preach the holy name of the Lord all over the world, if he is not favored by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu he will find fault with the pure devotee and will not be able to understand how a preacher is empowered by Lord Caitanya. One must be considered bereft of the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu when he criticizes the Krsna consciousness movement now spreading all over the world or finds fault with this movement or the leader of the movement.
(Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta 1975 original edition Madhya-Lila 11.103)
(Sri Caitanya-Caritamrta 1975 original edition Madhya-Lila 11.103)
(Compiled by Yasoda nandana dasa)
Dear Devotees,
Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I would like to bring your kind attention to the following lecture, entitled “A LECTURE EVERY ISKCON DEVOTEE SHOULD HEAR.”
If anyone has the time — or knows someone who does — plus the energy and intelligence to analyze and respond to the statements made on the following interview from the viewpoint of Srila Prabhupada and his instructions, I think it would be well worth while for all devotees, both old and young, and inside or outside of the modern day ISKCON institution (not referring to the original and eternal ISKCON established by Srila Prabhupada and with Prabhupada in the center).
There is so much wrong with this interview, that it begs being addressed carefully and thoughtfully, point by point. It’s too important to ignore the current preaching – and attitude – of a so-called “guru” and leader in ISKCON on so many vitally important issues to the future of Prabhupada’s movement. Please have a listen and feel free to comment in this regard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdsG_v948XA#t=3265
Who has “entitled” this lecture in such a way? ”A LECTURE THAT EVERY ISKCON DEVOTEE SHOULD HEAR” ……… Who?……. What benifit is there, from listening to this idiot for one and one half hours? What is wrong with this interview is that so many ”fools and rascals” are hearing from this bogus pretender.
Is there anything right about ”any” of these GBC’s “lectures”?
Is it necessary to drink poison to understand it’s effects? The reason why he remains in his bogus position is that so many fools and rascals are hearing from him. He surrounds himself with such sycophants who are just beying poisoned just like the day before and the day before that and the day before that…..etc etc.
Such persons do not speak on a public forum such as this one because he would be immediately defeated in front of all his misguided followers and he would have to do something for a living other than be a leach and a parasite and a good for nothing!
There is NO benifit whatsoever in hearing from these bums, is that not what Srila Prabhupada has advised “only listen from authorised persons, from the lips of pure devotees”
By listening only from authorised persons, you will become purified and realise all there is to understand, but when you hear from the lips of reprobates and cheaters you will be ingesting poison.
These hoaxers have ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED, but they have NO shame, they are liars, cheats, whoremongers and hypocrites and those who listen to them are minions with only half a brain. They are unfortunate, misguided, and always disturbed because they are ingesting venom every day.
They should hear from Srila Prabhupada and previous Acharyas, follow their pure instruction and then realisation will come. The “future” of Srila Prabhupada’s movement DEPENDS on whether the instructions of the Acharyas are implemented. Just as with the ‘Kauravas’ at the battle of Kurukshetra this guy Bir Krishna is already dead and vanquished. The ”future” of Prabhupada’s movement is already pre-destined and in NO way dependent on worthless dead bodies like ”Bir Krishna!”
So why I should waste my time and listen to such nonsense rubbish, tell me why?
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
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I agree with Sudarsana. Out of curiosity I fast forwarded 12 minutes into this lecture only to hear Big Bear ‘tell’ his audience to have faith in guru if he’s been doing sadhana for 40 years. But the con-artist Prabhavisnu, (Paul Burrows) had been doing just that, and the world now knows what a fraud he is. The speaker is a spin doctor and says things that cannot be proven and things that are wrong, like the above example of the Prince of the Cheaters, Paul Burrows and his show of sadhana. Why listen to people who are just preaching their own deception and spin embellished with a few ‘Prabhupada said’s’? The sad thing is I think they actually believe what they’re saying, Ha! It’s like detecting a thief who then tells you over and over, “I’m not stealing”.
Not Controlled by the gbc: I agree with Sudarsana. Out of curiosity I fast forwarded 12 minutes into this lecture only to hear Big Bear ‘tell’ his audience to have faith in guru if he’s been doing sadhana for 40 years. But the con-artist Prabhavisnu, (Paul Burrows) had been doing just that, and the world now knows what a fraud he is. The speaker is a spin doctor and says things that cannot be proven and things that are wrong, like the above example of the Prince of the Cheaters, Paul Burrows and his show of sadhana.
Mahesh: Think about it! If your product SELLS WELL you do NOT need advertisement. Looks like—- they are trying their GAME at ADVERTISEMENT due to VERY BAD publicity in the HOPE of some sort of recovery for their MONEY SCREWING SLAVERY MAKING BUSINESS(rubber stamped bogus “diksa” gurus). However, this attempt at RECOVERY is just TOO LATE! —–the DAMAGE is already DONE because of the INTERNET which EVERYONE now has access—–SO—– EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE CROOKS. Stool attracts houseflies: they ONLY attract their OWN KIND. Those who find stinky stool juicy and attractive are not for Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru.
The Prabhupdanuga devotees are ATTRACTED by the nectar from Srila Prabhupada the PURE devotee: OUR BONAFIDE ETERNAL DIKSA GURU AND HIS RITVIK SYSTEM:
SB 4.20.25 Lord Visnu’ s Appearance in the Sacrificial Arena of Maharaja Prthu
My dear Lord, You are glorified by the selected verses uttered by great personalities. Such glorification of Your lotus feet is just like saffron particles. When the transcendental vibration from the mouths of great devotees carries the aroma of the saffron dust of Your lotus feet, the forgetful living entity gradually remembers his eternal relationship with You. Devotees thus gradually come to the right conclusion about the value of life. MY DEAR LORD, I THEREFORE DO NOT NEED ANY OTHER BENEDICTION BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE MOUTH OF YOUR PURE DEVOTEE.
PURPORT
IT IS EXPLAINED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSE THAT ONE HAS TO HEAR GLORIFICATION OF THE LORD FROM THE MOUTH OF A PURE DEVOTEE. THIS IS FURTHER EXPLAINED HERE. THE TRANSCENDENTAL VIBRATION FROM THE MOUTH OF A PURE DEVOTEE IS SO POWERFUL THAT IT CAN REVIVE THE LIVING ENTITY’S MEMORY OF HIS ETERNAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. In our material existence, under the influence of illusory maya, we have almost forgotten our eternal relationship with the Lord, exactly like a man sleeping very deeply who forgets his duties. In the Vedas it is said that every one of us is sleeping under the influence of maya. We must get up from this slumber and engage in the right service, for thus we can properly utilize the facility of this human form of life. As expressed in a song by Thakura Bhaktivinoda, Lord Caitanya says, jiva jaga, jiva jaga. The Lord asks every sleeping living entity to get up and engage in devotional service so that his mission in this human form of life may be fulfilled. This awakening voice comes through the mouth of a pure devotee.
A pure devotee always engages in the service of the Lord, taking shelter of His lotus feet, and therefore he has a direct connection with the saffron mercy-particles that are strewn over the lotus feet of the Lord. Although when a pure devotee speaks the articulation of his voice may resemble the sound of this material sky, the voice is spiritually very powerful because it touches the particles of saffron dust on the lotus feet of the Lord. AS SOON AS A SLEEPING LIVING ENTITY HEARS THE POWERFUL VOICE EMANATING FROM THE MOUTH OF A PURE DEVOTEE, HE IMMEDIATELY REMEMBERS HIS ETERNAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD, ALTHOUGH UP UNTIL THAT MOMENT HE HAD FORGOTTEN EVERYTHING.
FOR A CONDITIONED SOUL, THEREFORE, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM THE MOUTH OF A PURE DEVOTEE, WHO IS FULLY SURRENDERED TO THE LOTUS FEET OF THE LORD WITHOUT ANY MATERIAL DESIRE, SPECULATIVE KNOWLEDGE OR CONTAMINATION OF THE MODES OF MATERIAL NATURE. Every one of us is kuyogi because we have engaged in the service of this material world, forgetting our eternal relationship with the Lord as His eternal loving servants. It is our duty to rise from the kuyoga platform to become suyogis, perfect mystics. The process of hearing from a pure devotee is recommended in all Vedic scriptures, especially by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. One may stay in his position of life–it does not matter what it is–but if one hears from the mouth of a pure devotee, he gradually comes to the understanding of his relationship with the Lord and thus engages in His loving service, and his life becomes completely perfect. Therefore, this process of hearing from the mouth of a pure devotee is very important for making progress in the line of spiritual understanding.
Note: even they spend 40 years plus in ISKCON like a tree what is their VALUE? The CROOKS drove off the devotees, SCREWED MONEY and screwed-up lives of devotees by their SLAVERY pretending they are Diksa Guru. The thieves track record of “long life” in ISKCON is ABOMINABLE. Even trees live long life–AND THEY want others to believe that their long life in ISKCON is evidence to be “Sum total of all Demigods” “As good a God” (Diksa guru). These crooks are like bugs sitting by Srila Prabhupada ONLY to bite him. Just because they were near Srila Prabhupada does not make them Diksa guru.They are like biting BUGS. Judge a tree by the fruit it bears:
Note:A tree lives for hundreds and hundreds of years, but there is no point in living a long time like trees
Books : Sri Isopanisad – 1974 Edition : Iso 2 : PURPORT :
A tree lives for hundreds and hundreds of years, but there is no point in living a long time like trees, or breathing like bellows, or begetting children like hogs and dogs, or eating like camels. A humble God-centered life is more valuable than a colossal hoax of a life dedicated to godless altruism or socialism.
Note: There are some of my Godbrothers here in India who had constant personal association with Guru Maharaja, but who are neglecting his orders. This is just like the bug who is sitting on the lap of the king. He may be very puffed-up by his position, but all he can succeed in doing is biting the king. Personal association is not so important as association through service.
Letters : 1972 Correspondence : February : Letter to: Satadhanya — Calcutta 20 February, 1972 : 72-02-20 :
So far personal association with the Guru is concerned, I was only with my Guru Maharaja four or five times, but I have never left his association, not even for a moment. Because I am following his instructions, I have never felt any separation. There are some of my Godbrothers here in India who had constant personal association with Guru Maharaja, but who are neglecting his orders. This is just like the bug who is sitting on the lap of the king. He may be very puffed-up by his position, but all he can succeed in doing is biting the king. Personal association is not so important as association through service.
Sudarsana Prabhu wrote: “So why I should waste my time and listen to such nonsense rubbish, tell me why?”
Srila Prabhupada would often spar with his disciples on morning walks, taking the position of the athiest or the impersonalist to strengthen his disciples’ resolve and ability to debate the opposing view. He knew the arguments on both sides well. The idea is not to hear for your personal benefit, but to know and defeat the nonsense for others’ benefit.
For example, when asked about the possibility of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, this so-called “swami” laughed out loud, as if it’s some kind of joke. This is atrocious and should be publicly refuted. Likewise many comments in the interview. The new disciples are being cheated and misled by such comments and attitude. If someone won’t refute these points, then it will carry on unabated, poisoning ISKCON even further. That’s why we expose the phony swamis, gurus, bogus yogis, etc. — not to waste our time, but to save others from the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
However, no worries, I shall try to do it myself, rather than hoping others will do it. Apologies for my laziness, but I was thinking that someone more qualified could do it much better. Thanks for the feedback.
Hare Krishna LW,
I do see where you’re coming from, but unfortunately rather than a pure devotee ‘taking the position of the athiest or the impersonalist to strengthen his disciples’ resolve and ability’ this hearing you suggest is from a man who has huge vested interest in spinning a story to favour and support his personal ambitions. It is not the same as hearing from someone ‘pretending’ to be in maya. Hearing from Srila Prabhupada is always beneficial. Suggesting that devotees listen to this guy I believe could be dangerous. Better to avoid, and rather spend that hour and a half listening to Srila Prabhupada to become stronger,… in my opinion.
Like I said, the little I heard was advice given on how to know who’s guru, but coming from a guy who himself cannot even detect a cheater within his own GBC ranks! Prabhavisnu made fools of them all, so what’s the value of their so called wisdom? Maybe some will defeat him when they hear, but maybe some will be swayed by the silky smooth presentation. I believe most of us got to the point we are now – having our eyes opened and being able to clearly see the swindlers from the saints – by the grace of Super Soul and Prabhupada’s words. I think if someone is sincere then Krishna will protect them. I appreciate your motive though, and mine is but one point of view on the subject.
LW : For example, when asked about the possibility of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, this so-called “swami” laughed out loud, as if it’s some kind of joke. This is atrocious and should be publicly refuted. Likewise many comments in the interview. The new disciples are being cheated and misled by such comments and attitude. If someone won’t refute these points, then it will carry on unabated, poisoning ISKCON even further. That’s why we expose the phony swamis, gurus, bogus yogis, etc. — not to waste our time, but to save others from the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Mahesh: the poison issue has been covered here:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
Srila Prabhupada given poison to kill him by his leading disciples:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click here or
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LW : For example, when asked about the possibility of Srila Prabhupada being poisoned, this so-called “swami” laughed out loud, as if it’s some kind of joke
Mahesh: when these Anti Ritvik goons go into coma and the Yamadutas get hold of them they will not be laughing:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42316
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Note: the punishment awaiting for the Anti Ritvik goons — it is only a question of TIMING say, —- few years more. The sinful man does NOT get away. What is happening is that “A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA”.
HOW IS IT THAT THIS SINFUL MAN IS ENJOYING WHEREAS A PIOUS MAN IS SUFFERING?”
Note: sometimes some devotees think that how is it that those that gave Poison to Srila Prabhupada THE PURE DEVOTEE, took over his temples usurped money , his disciples, disobeyed and discarded July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, usurped the BBT, changed his books yet nothing seems to be happening to them?
We have to see THE PLAN of Lord Krsna. Krishna does NOT forget any insult,torture,ill-treatment to His PURE devotee Srila Prabhupada.
The situation with Tamal Krsna was just ONE incident of HOW he was taken out in an accident ( Tamal was the one who whispered “PUT THE POISON IN THE MILK”). The rest are still in awaiting Lord Nrsimhadeva’s plan: A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA. HIRANYAKASIPU WAS DESTINED TO BE ULTIMATELY KILLED BY NRSIMHADEVA, BUT JUST TO SEE THE FUN, THE LORD GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SLIP FROM HIS HANDS.
SB 7.8.26 Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
O Yudhisthira, O great son of Bharata, when Lord Nrsimhadeva gave Hiranyakasipu a chance to slip from His hand, just as Garuda sometimes plays with a snake and lets it slip from his mouth, the demigods, who had lost their abodes and who were hiding behind the clouds for fear of the demon, did not consider that incident very good. Indeed, they were perturbed.
PURPORT
When Hiranyakasipu was in the process of being killed by Lord Nrsimhadeva, the Lord gave the demon a chance to slip from His clutches. This incident was not very much appreciated by the demigods, for they were greatly afraid of Hiranyakasipu. They knew that if somehow or other Hiranyakasipu escaped from Nrsimhadeva’s hands and saw that the demigods were looking forward to his death with great pleasure, he would take great revenge upon them. Therefore they were very much afraid.
SB 7.8.27 Lord Nrsimhadeva Slays the King of the Demons
When Hiranyakasipu was freed from the hands of Nrsimhadeva, he falsely thought that the Lord was afraid of his prowess. Therefore, after taking a little rest from the fight, he took up his sword and shield and again attacked the Lord with great force.
PURPORT
When a sinful man enjoys material facilities, foolish people sometimes think, “HOW IS IT THAT THIS SINFUL MAN IS ENJOYING WHEREAS A PIOUS MAN IS SUFFERING?” BY THE WILL OF THE SUPREME, A SINFUL MAN IS SOMETIMES GIVEN THE CHANCE TO ENJOY THE MATERIAL WORLD AS IF HE WERE NOT UNDER THE CLUTCHES OF MATERIAL NATURE, JUST SO THAT HE MAY BE FOOLED. A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY, EXACTLY LIKE HIRANYAKASIPU WHEN HE WAS RELEASED FROM THE HANDS OF NRSIMHADEVA. HIRANYAKASIPU WAS DESTINED TO BE ULTIMATELY KILLED BY NRSIMHADEVA, BUT JUST TO SEE THE FUN, THE LORD GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO SLIP FROM HIS HANDS.
SB 1.15.10 P The Pandavas Retire Timely
Queen Draupadi had a beautiful bunch of hair which was sanctified in the ceremonial function of Rajasuya-yajna. But when she was lost in a bet, Duhsasana touched her glorified hair to insult her. Draupadi then fell down at the lotus feet of Lord Krsna, and Lord Krsna decided that all the wives of Duhsasana and company should have their hair loosened as a result of the Battle of Kuruksetra. Thus after the Battle of Kuruksetra, after all the sons and grandsons of Dhrtarastra died in battle, all the wives of the family were obliged to loosen their hair as widows. In other words, all the wives of the Kuru family became widows because of Duhsasana’s insulting a great devotee of the Lord. THE LORD CAN TOLERATE INSULTS UPON HIMSELF BY ANY MISCREANT BECAUSE THE FATHER TOLERATES EVEN INSULTS FROM THE SON. BUT HE NEVER TOLERATES INSULTS UPON HIS DEVOTEES. BY INSULTING A GREAT SOUL, ONE HAS TO FOREGO ALL THE RESULTS OF PIOUS ACTS AND BENEDICTIONS ALSO.
SB 3.1.43 P Questions by Vidura
As declared in Bhagavad-gita, the Lord appears in the mortal world to execute His much-needed mission of killing the miscreants and giving protection to the suffering faithful. In spite of that mission, Lord Krsna tolerated the insult to Draupadi by the Kurus and the injustices perpetrated against the Pandavas, as well as insults to Himself. THE QUESTION MAY BE RAISED, “WHY DID HE TOLERATE SUCH INJUSTICES AND INSULTS IN HIS PRESENCE? WHY DID HE NOT CHASTISE THE KURUS IMMEDIATELY?” WHEN DRAUPADI WAS INSULTED IN THE ASSEMBLY BY THE KURUS BY THEIR ATTEMPT TO SEE HER NAKED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL, THE LORD PROTECTED DRAUPADI BY SUPPLYING AN UNLIMITED LENGTH OF CLOTHING. BUT HE DID NOT CHASTISE THE INSULTING PARTY IMMEDIATELY. THIS SILENCE OF THE LORD DID NOT MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT HE EXCUSED THE OFFENSES OF THE KURUS. THERE WERE MANY OTHER KINGS ON EARTH WHO HAD BECOME VERY PROUD OF THREE KINDS OF POSSESSIONS–WEALTH, EDUCATION AND FOLLOWERS–AND THEY WERE CONSTANTLY AGITATING THE EARTH BY MOVEMENTS OF MILITARY STRENGTH. THE LORD WAS JUST WAITING TO GET THEM TOGETHER ON THE BATTLEFIELD OF KURUKSETRA AND KILL THEM ALL AT ONE TIME, JUST TO MAKE A SHORT-CUT IN HIS KILLING MISSION. Godless kings or heads of state, when puffed up by advancement of material wealth, education and increase of population, always make a show of military strength and give trouble to the innocent. When Lord Krsna was personally present, there were many such kings all over the world, and He thus arranged for the Battle of Kuruksetra.
Note: Stealing Srila Prabhupada the PURE BRAHMANA VAISNAVA’S Temples, disciples,Money, Discarding the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, usurping the BBT changing Srila Prabhupada’s books consequences are VERY VERY VERY HEAVY. They enjoying now: PAY LATER in serpent, worm forms:
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
Lord Krsna continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. Therefore I instruct you, all My boys and relatives present here, do not, even by mistake, take the possession of a brahmana and thereby pollute your whole family. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. YOU SHOULD LEARN FROM THE EXAMPLE OF KING NRGA THAT EVEN IF SOMEONE UNKNOWINGLY USURPS THE PROPERTY OF A BRAHMANA, HE IS PUT INTO A MISERABLE CONDITION OF LIFE.”
Note: ALL karma is taken into account. Just because a sinful living entity is not being punished NOW does NOT mean that he will go without punishment. The Krama bija(SEED of karma) IS STORED. It WILL manifest in due course: “You cannot escape. YOU INFECT TODAY SOMEHOW OR OTHER. NOT TODAY, NOT TOMORROW, BUT SOME DAY IT WILL COME OUT. IT IS CALLED KUTASTHA, PHALONMUKHA, PRARABDHA, PAPA-BIJA. PAPA-BIJA, REMAINS AS SEED, KUTASTHA. THEN IT IS FRUCTIFYING, PHALONMUKHA. THEN YOU SUFFER, PRARABDHA. THIS IS CALLED PRARABDHA-KARMA, INFECTION”.
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BUT PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT. WITHOUT BEING FOLLOWED BY THE ACARYA, WITHOUT BEING FOLLOWED BY THE SASTRAS, THEY BECOME GURU, THEY BECOME SWAMI, THEY BECOME YOGI. IT IS USELESS. You cannot get… Here are the process, process is given: tada rajas-tamo-bhavah kama… Tada means when you are fixed up in devotional service, then you can get out of these infections. These are infections. In… It is so dangerous infection. Infection, anyone can understand nowadays, scientific days. If you infect some disease, you have to suffer. You cannot escape. YOU INFECT TODAY SOMEHOW OR OTHER. NOT TODAY, NOT TOMORROW, BUT SOME DAY IT WILL COME OUT. IT IS CALLED KUTASTHA, PHALONMUKHA, PRARABDHA, PAPA-BIJA. PAPA-BIJA, REMAINS AS SEED, KUTASTHA. THEN IT IS FRUCTIFYING, PHALONMUKHA. THEN YOU SUFFER, PRARABDHA. THIS IS CALLED PRARABDHA-KARMA, INFECTION.
YOU ARE UNDER THE COMPLETE SUBJUGATION OF NATURE. PRAKRTEH KRIYAMANANI GUNAIH KARMANI SARVASAH. These gunaih. The prakrti is forcing you to work because you have infected a kind of guna. Karanam guna-sango ‘sya sad-asad-yoni-janmasu. Karanam. WHY ONE MAN IS BORN, ONE LIVING ENTITY IS BORN AS A VERY RICH MAN AND ONE IS BORN AS A DOG? SAD-ASAD-YONI. YONI MEANS MOTHER, AND BIJA MEANS FATHER. YATHA YONI YATHA BIJAH. SO THE EVERY LIVING ENTITY IS BORN–BIJA AND YONI, FATHER AND MOTHER. SO WHY THERE ARE VARIETIES? NATURE IS WORKING. Why not one, one kind of living entities? No. Sad-asad-janma-yonisu. There are 8,400,000 of species. One has to take. Tatha dehantara-praptih. You have to change. But why one is in the lower grade birth, why in the higher grade? Now, karanam guna-sango ‘sya. These guna. These guna, sattva-guna, rajo-guna.
Note: ALL the SINFUL activities are RECORDED and THEN the punishment is given:
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Prabhupada:
abibhrad aryama dandam
yathavad agha-karisu
yavad dadhara sudratvam
sapad varsa-satam yamah
So Vidura is Yamaraja, the superintendent of death. After our death, we are brought before the justice Yamaraja, what kind of next birth I may have. So Yamaraja is not sudra. He is devotee of Lord Krsna, although he has the duty to punish the criminals. Just like a magistrate is always punishing the criminals. That is his business, but he is not criminal. He is giving judgment to the criminals. Similarly, Yamaraja is the appointed magistrate, superintendent. After death, one has to go before him and take the judgment of his next life. This is the process.
So Vidura was cursed by Manduka Muni, Manduka Muni. He was a great sage, but sometimes in his asrama, some thieves were caught, so police arrested both the Manduka Muni and the thieves, and later on Manduka Muni was chastised to be punished by sula. There was a system of punishment. I do not whether (it is) still existing. The sula means one lance, lancer. Lancer, it is called?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupada: It was to be pierced through the rectum and it will go through the head and the man will die. The pierce was standing, and he was to sit down. What is this punishment? Is there any mention?
Pusta-krsna: I never heard of anything.
Guru-gauranga: Arabians have this. It is called pala(?).
Prabhupada: Sula punishment. So when he was condemned to the sula punishment, then the king heard that “Manduka Muni, the great sage, he is punished like that?” Immediately he stopped. “What is this nonsense that Manduka Muni has been punished? He is a great sage.” So the king stopped the punishment and immediately came to see what has happened. Then he was immediately released. But he was very sorry, that “Why the judge Yamaraja punished him like that?” So he asked Yamaraja, “Why you have punished me like this?” “Now, in your childhood you pierced the rectum of an ant with a…,” what is called?
Devotees: Pin, straw.
Prabhupada: No, not straw. Prick, pricking?
Devotee: Pin.
Prabhupada: Kanta, kanta. We say kanta, that pricks. What is called?
Devotees: Thorn.
Prabhupada: Ah, thorn, yes. So therefore he was punished. NOW JUST SEE. IN HIS CHILDHOOD HE WAS PLAYING WITH AN ANT, PIERCING THE RECTUM WITH A THORN. THAT IS ALSO TAKEN ACCOUNT, “ALL RIGHT. YOU WILL BE PUNISHED.” JUST SEE HOW FINER LAWS ARE THERE IN NATURE. SO THE MANDUKA MUNI DID THAT. THEREFORE IT WAS RECORDED HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED LIKE THAT.
THIS IS OUR POSITION. ANYTHING… IF YOU ARE WALKING ON THE STREET, IF YOU KILL AN ANT BY WALKING, YOU WILL BE PUNISHED. THIS IS NATURE’S LAW. WE ARE IN SUCH A DANGEROUS POSITION. IN EVERY MOVEMENT THERE IS PUNISHMENT. NOW, IF YOU BELIEVE THE SASTRAS, THAT IS DIFFERENT THING. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE, THEN DO ANYTHING YOU LIKE. BUT FROM SASTRA WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE LAWS OF NATURE, OR GOD, IS VERY, VERY STRICT, VERY, VERY STRICT. So Manduka Muni also chastised Yamaraja, that “In my childhood, without any knowledge I did something and for which you have given me so great punishment. So you are not fit for becoming a brahmana or ksatriya. You become sudra.” So he was cursed to become sudra. Therefore Yamaraja took his birth as Vidura and was born in the womb of a sudra mother. This is the history of Vidura’s birth.
LW message has indeed valid concern and care.
Therefore, we are here to spread the real message of HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s VANI according to our Individual capacity as well as with the support of the like minded Individuals.
Make no mistake, the controversial forces are out there.
” EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE CROOKS. Stool attracts houseflies: they ONLY attract their OWN KIND. Those who find stinky stool juicy and attractive are not for Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru.” as quoted by Shriman Mahesh Raja Prabhu.
This is Kali Yuga.
Thus, One must propagate the teaching of Srila Prabhupada to the best of ones ability.
The people who subscribe to the controversial forces may find Srila Prabhupada’s VANI which is readily available every where, if they so desire.
So, the choice is the Individual of those who follow the controversial forces or Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
LW and the like minded people for example, people who subscribe to Srila Prabhupada’s VANI , become the instrument to help and guide those who choose to follow Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
This is one of the site those people can visit and read all about Srila Prabhupada and make their lives sublime in KC.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Haribol Prabhus. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Sorry if I haven’t got my point across very well. I don’t have a working computer, so have to use the public library to answer e-mails and make a few comments before time is up. Therefore, please bear with me.
If you look at how this lecture is being sold or billed on the Internet, you will see how nefarious this is:
“HH Bir Krishna Goswami maharaja answering contraversial questions on the subjects such as:
– alleged Srila Prabhupadas poisoning,
– the editing of the Bhagavad-gita as it is,
– alleged rasism and sexism in Srila Prabhupadas statements
– on Prabhupadas statement, that women like to be raped
– gurukul child molestation incidents,
– the commited crime that resulted in the writing of the book ”Monkey on a stick”,
– about ISKCON falling gurus,
– about the GBC seriously considering having women diksha gurus,
– on Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami maharaja giving himself sannyasa and about him cooking and serving meat,
– about Sacinandana swamis Yoga is Music project featuring mayavadi kirtaniyas like Krishna das,
– the contraversial question of wether our parampara line is uninterrupted,
– asking ourselves whether Srila Haridasa Thakura could have actually chanted three lakhs of holy names (300,000 names or 192 rounds) daily and at the same time preach in Bengal…
& a lot of other nectar you might be interested in or may stumble upoan on the internet and get bewildered by.
This interview was made in faith that it is better to put such questions out on the open and try to understand the subject matter properly, than to ”sweep them under the rug” (so to speak), and then watch younger generation devotees get bewildered when finding such materials on the internet. What to speak of letting them speculate, fault-find, criticize and in the end perhaps even loose their faith on account of misunderstanding the facts. It is also nice to hear for people outside of ISKCON in general, who might be interested in these topics.”
Just see what they are doing here. They are trying to hi-jack and control the narrative on the most important subjects which we and other followers of Srila Prabhupada discuss on a daily basis for so many years, i.e. ritviks; book changes; guru appointments; Sacinandana so-called “Swami” (who has a girlfriend) – calling him an advanced devotee; Radhanatha’s bogus “preaching,” chanting with impersonalists, opening eye clinics, etc., all of which contradict almost everything Srila Prabhupada stood for and preached against; women “diksha” gurus — when there is absolutely no such thing as an authorized “diksha guru” for ISKCON other than Srila Prabhupada (as we all know); the poison issue, etc. Bir Krishna is ridiculing the ritviks and offending Prabhupada and his sincere followers in reply to some very intelligent questions by some concerned new devotees and disciples. Bir Krishna’s attitude is so mundane it’s just unbelievable, and he is so condescending that he just “pooh-poohs” anything opposed to his mundane views and interpretation of Prabhupada and his divine instructions. For example, he replies quite often that anyone who disagrees with his views are simply “envious,” “they just want a position in ISKCON, but didn’t get it,” etc. He is treating these sincere newcomers like mushrooms, i.e. keeping them in the dark and feeding them stool. These people should not be getting away with this outrage.
It’s OK if you do not wish to get involved with this hype. I understand. It’s just when I hear the questions asked so sincerely, I feel sorry for these new people. They are trying to understand the truth, and Bir Krishna is trying his best to keep them all in darkness – telling them lies and making a joke of the most important concerns of the true followers of Prabhupada. Many of us care about ISKCON and how they’re cheating those who come to Prabhupada’s movement. It happened to Harikesa’s disciples, Bhagavan’s disciples, Jayatirtha’s disciples, Kirtanananda’s disciples, Ramesara’s disciples, Bhavananda’s disciples, Satsvarupa’s disciples, etc., etc., etc. Where are all those poor souls now? And look what is happening and what will happen to Bir Krishna’s disciples, Sacinandana’s disciples, Radhanatha’s disciples, Gopal Krishna’s disciples, ad infinitum. (And I use the term “disciples” very loosely here, as these people are not qualified to have “disciples” – the rascal cheaters! )
Anyway, this Bir Krishna so-called “Goswami” is blatantly and arrogantly posing as an advanced devotee, when he is actually a mundane wrangler who has no understanding of Prabhupada’s transcendental position at all. He is trying to write the last word on all the above topics, pretending that he is some kind of authority with spiritual jurisdiction over the lives of those “under” him. It’s infuriating to see – not for me personally because I have accepted Srila Prabhupada a long time ago – but what about these poor newcomers? If they only hear this crap, then what hope is there for them? They will all eventually go away hurt and bitterly disappointed. So I think that Bir Krishna should not get away with this. He should be challenged publicly about it — whether it’s here on Prabhupadanugas EU, on Sampradaya Sun (another offensive but widely known rag), on Dandavats (although they’d probably never publish it), on another Web page, or even as a letter to him personally – whatever, but I think something has to be done to refute this very damaging collection of lies being promoted as some kind of important and authoritative conversation.
Anyway, this is just my own humble view about the matter. I thought perhaps that someone with more time and ability may see the significance of what this man is saying and representing here – all that is so wrong in a nutshell in today’s phony “guru” and GBC system. But I’ll try to do as best I can and will likely send BK “Goswami” a copy directly. Thanks again for listening. Please carry on with your valuable service here.
(Sorry, but no time for editing. Thanks for your patience in this regard.)
Dear Prabhus,
I have started the debate with a person named Devarata das on this link posted by LW. ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdsG_v948XA&google_comment_id=z12czjv51uucsrcdf232dx4ibkyezjuj004
I humbly invite all the interested and learned people to take part in that discussion.
AGTSP.
YS………. Amar Puri.
Dear LW , your defence of Srila Prabhupada and your desire to protect the innocent are well appreciated.
Mahesh Raja Prabhu has mentioned that these topics relating to the poisoning of His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada have been visited and re-visited many times (and will no doubt be re-visited again at some future date) as well as other GBC transgressions/crimes.
There is no doubt that these GBC monkeys just get crazier, more brazen and cavalier as time goes on, even though it can seem as though ‘there seems no end in sight’ (which can be a source of frustration), the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna is fully in control at every step, so we should be confident of His divine protection.
The GBC now, do not even try to hide their sahajiya, affiliations nor “sannyasi gurus” their intimate association with women, nor their complete contept of anyone who tries to correct them.
As Senaca once said……..”Those whom God wishes to destroy, He first makes mad”!
I very much appreciate all the Vaisnava devotees, comments on this and many other topics and also the service of The Web-master to allow free and fair discussion for the general well-being and advancement of the ‘wider’ vaisnava community.
All glories to His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Sudarsana
I just want to let LW and other readers know that majority of my comments have been removed from this video link ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdsG_v948XA&google_comment_id=z12czjv51uucsrcdf232dx4ibkyezjuj004
These people are indeed a DEMON, CHEATERS.
LW: Anyway, this Bir Krishna so-called “Goswami” is blatantly and arrogantly posing as an advanced devotee, when he is actually a mundane wrangler who has no understanding of Prabhupada’s transcendental position at all. He is trying to write the last word on all the above topics, pretending that he is some kind of authority with spiritual jurisdiction over the lives of those “under” him
Mahesh: This Anti Ritvik man is NOT a Goswami. Maybe? he just does not like “Ritviks” BECAUSE many Prabhupadanuga devotees have known AND EXPOSED that he has been chasing after Pratyatosa das’s wife Urmila. Many say he is having sex with her and it is OPEN SECRET. And— UNCHASTE Urmila wants to be “sum total of all demigods” ? The world is——- NOT sleeping:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/bir-krishna-swami-investigation.html
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Hare Krishna Prabhus. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Thanks to one and all for your kind and thoughtful replies – Sudarsana Prabhu, “Not controlled by the GBC” Prabhu, Mahesh Raja Prabhu and Amar Puri Prabhu. I do hear what you’re saying. What’s the use of listening to these rascals? It’s awful, in fact. However, I’ll try to condense the gist of BK’s “message” in a nutshell just to familiarize anyone who might be interested to know what they’re “preaching” to their disciples and newcomers nowadays. Hopefully, it may prove somewhat useful to your own preaching. If not, please ignore. I hear you loud and clear.
As for this “Devavrata das,” he is also rascal number one. I just checked out his YouTube page and he has a section entitled, “Relax with A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami” (with the title “His Divine Grace” missing, of course). In that section, you’ll find numerous videos with outrageous background music and sounds accompanying Srila Prabhupada’s chanting of japa. For example, there’s Prabhupada “Chanting with the Wolves,” Prabhupada “Chanting with the Dolphins,” Prabhupada “Chanting with the Whales,” Prabhupada chanting with “Gentle Rain Romance,” etc., etc., etc. This is highly offensive — as if Srila Prabhupada’s chanting is not sweet enough or entertaining enough, so we can now spice it up with some “New Age” background music. Not only that, but there’s another section on his page, entitled “Purport with a Beat,” and you guessed it — Srila Prabhupada’s pure preaching is no longer good enough, so it’s being updated with some modern synthesizer/electronic pop music playing in the background of his lectures. In the meantime, “Devavrata das” has posted the japa chanting of Bir Krishna, Tamal and other “new gurus” – but conspicously without any embellishments. You can witness this outrage for yourself here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1NDskxcY-t4DTy0WvhAVgw
You’ll recall that Devavrata has written that he posted BK’s conversation online in the mood of being open:
“This interview was made in faith that it is better to put such questions out on the open and try to understand the subject matter properly, than to ”sweep them under the rug” (so to speak), and then watch younger generation devotees get bewildered when finding such materials on the internet. What to speak of letting them speculate, fault-find, criticize and in the end perhaps even loose their faith on account of misunderstanding the facts.”
Yet when you, Amar Puri Prabhu, write something contrary to their party line, it is immediately deleted. So where is the openness? No, they are cult leaders engaged in very real brainwashing techniques. This is NOT what Srila Prabhupada had in mind. In fact, Prabhupada wanted his followers to be what he called “independently thoughtful.” He did not want sycophants or blind followers – what to speak of pychopaths and sociopaths! Devavrata should know that he is complicit in the sins of diluting, changing and destroying Prabhupada’s original purpose and mission for ISKCON. He is NOT serving Prabhupada by his concoctions, speculations and blind subservience to the “new guru” cult.
I have noticed that lately everyone is putting up photos of Srila Prabhupada on their websites, including “Dandavats.” The GBC, the so-called “gurus,” and their cronies have finally figured out that “Prabhupada sells.” So, like advertsiers use sex to sell their wares, these people are now using Prabhupada to sell their image of being faithful disciples, while promoting apasiddhanta in the name of siddhanta. Too bad we can see through their disguise!
OK, thanks again for listening, responding and for putting up with me. More later. Jaya Prabhupada!
These FISKCON pretenders NEVER engage in debate because they know they will be defeated in front of all their immature followers and all will be revealed as to what boofheads and cheaters they are.
Bir Krishna is a ‘turd’ wrapped in saffron cloth who likes to spin the old yarn that the contrbuters of this site are just ”malcontents that never attained a position in ISKCON” which is far from the truth as many had positions and in my own case I declined several ‘positions’ in Australia, India and New Zealand. Why would I want to be ‘subservient’ to ‘toe-rags’ such as Prabhavisnu and Ramai and other bogus rascals whos OWN POSITIONS (as ‘diksa’ guru) are themselves NOT APPROVED OR SANCTIONED By His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada?……Why?
Our true position is that we are all the humble servants, and disciples of His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who in his own humility considered himself the humble servant of everyone, but these cheaters like Bir Krishna are only interested in surrounding themselves with minions and slaves. You can easily tell the websites of FISKCON BOGUS GURU’S as they always have ‘COMMENTS CLOSED’ at the bottom as they are NOT able to engage with any rational or intelligent debate out of FEAR of beying defeated in front of their unfortunate immature followers.
Srila Prabhupada NEVER, EVER shied away from a challenge or debate by ANYONE, and Srila Prabhupada was NEVER, EVER defeated either. That is the REAL difference. Srila Prabhupada had NO fear because he was always the supreme representative of The Supreme Lord Sri Krishna.
I stark contrast this Bir Krishna is a toe-rag, a usurper and a hypocrite, but even worse than that he is a gutless coward who uses the old line that “He’s just trying to protect the younger devotees!”
If he was a REAL guru he would engage in REAL diologue and debate and easily defeat whoever he was debating…. But he is a phony, a bogus pretender, liar, spin-doctor and a coward, just like all his bogus FISKCON GBC pals……….”Turds wrapped in saffron cloth”, thats all!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
All respect to Srila Prabhupada and the Vaishnavas!
Perhaps ‘someone’ someday soon will literally wring a few necks, ala Lord Parashurama..
Put a little ‘fear of God’ into these demons. That’s what they are. That’s what they need. Why not say it?
You know, the truth..
In the meantime, isn’t calling these killers Swami, HH, Maharaja and the like, blasphemy in itself?
Their masquerading is the epitome of Vaishnava aparadha! (little Richie Slavin’s favorite bluff).
Why not call them by their real and apparent (mostly Jewish) names? Because these demons and their overbearing representation have practically the whole world cowed (bowing) via their $$$, legal industries, fully owned M$M and their academic and political blackmail, etc., etc., etc.
They should not be cowered before or ignored. They should be spit upon and shunned as the filthy liars they are..
Two perfect examples..
1) The (formerly) ‘poor little Jewish boy’ Radhanath Smarmy and his cult of Hollywood fiction disguised as Vaishnavism. His true mentor, Steven Spielberg, must be proud!
2) Jayadvaita Smarmy, the prolifically active usurper (what they do best is covet and usurp) who can easily be seen as the Jay Israel he really is each and every time he pokes his head out from under that phony Swami blanket usurping Srila Prabhupada’s holy words with his filthy propaganda.
I had an encounter with the Jewish actor Richie Slavin a couple of years ago at New Vrindaban.
The only thing he was concerned about, like the phony baloney ‘chosen one’ he is, was what else?
Yep. Vaishnava aparadha! Vaishnava aparadha! Vaishnava aparadha!
But they’re not really Vaishnavas, are they? Who in their half right mind believes these actors ate liberated souls!!?
Neither am I, but I admit it.
I am an aspiring Vaishnava and however insufficient, lazy and worthless, I’m not a collaborator or an excuse maker for these insidiously dishonest miscreants.
Nityananda Prabhu ki jaya, jaya, jaya!
Haribol Prabhus. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
For those who might be interested, here is the first part of a brief look at the question and answer interview with Bir Krishna entitled, “A LECTURE EVERY ISKCON DEVOTEE SHOULD HEAR.” Due to time constraints, I haven’t copied every single sentence or reply, but the following text is faithful to the basic message conveyed in each exchange.
Question(Q): Is it true that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned?
Bir Krishna (BK): Ha ha ha ha ha…
Q: If not, how this story came out?
BK: It is NOT true that Prabhupada was poisoned. Actually I was one of the people who did the investigation. … The hair analysis did not show any signs of poison, so we can conclude that Prabhupada wasn’t poisoned. Also, we did an analysis of all the recordings… there’s a book, “Not that I am poisoned.” It was actually clear, there is no evidence… There is no evidence that Prabhupada was poisoned. The only evidence they came up with was playing Prabhupada’s recordings backwards… That’s pure mental speculation. It’s like one of the Beatles’ songs, ‘Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds…’ and it said something (by playing it backwards), but normal people don’t do that. That was the only evidence. There was no evidence that Prabhupada was poisoned – absolutely no evidence. The question is, why do people say that? Because, basically, they’re upset because they didn’t get any position in the Krishna Consciousness movement…or they have some personal animosity or problem with people who have a position in the Krishna consciousness movement. It’s all based on an emotional thing… logic is thrown out. Logically there’s nothing, physically there’s nothing… Bhakti Caru and Tamal Krishna loved Prabhupada so much… they’d rather kill themselves than hurt Prabhupada…. There is nobody with any motive that would have hurt Prabhupada who was around Prabhupada at that time. Just go on the Internet and read that book, “Not that I am poisoned.”
(My) comment: What about the following six words by Tamal caught on tape: “Put the poison in different containers”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqSKNtB5dnE&list=PL7BF59363472D44E1
Or how about the following exchange (among many similar others)?
Tamala Krsna: This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program. It seems to some of us like it’s suicidal.
Prabhupada: And this is also suicidal.
Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, “And this is also suicide.” Now you have to choose which suicide.
(Vrindavan room conversation, Nov. 10, 1977)
Comment: Nice guy, telling his “beloved” spiritual master that he now has to choose which way to commit suicide. What love and devotion! No evidence here, Prabhus, nope, none whatsoever. Move right along.
Also, BK often complains about people introducing ad hominem attacks (personal attacks) against those who don’t agree with his line of thinking. However, he himself says that those who think that Srila Prabhupada may have been poisoned are “upset because they didn’t get any position in the Krishna Consciousness movement.“ That’s it. There’s not a single shred of evidence or cause for suspicion. They”re envious, that’s all.
Q: Second question, rascism and sexism in Prabhupada’s statements…
BK: Uh, that’s an interesting question. Well, we have to understand that Prabhupada was brought up in a certain culture — Bengal, West Bengal — and there’s certain cultural things that Prabhupada was manifesting… Prabhupada would sometimes speak informally, not from an absolute platform of things… and just reflect in one sense the culture in which he was brought up.
Comment: Here are a few quotes from scripture, warning us not to see the spiritual master from a material point of view – in terms of physical birth, caste, creed, bodily health, etc.
“One is forbidden to observe the activities of a pure Vaisnava from a material point of view. For the neophyte especially, considering a pure devotee from a material point of view is very injurious. One should therefore avoid observing a pure devotee externally, but should try to see the internal features and understand how he is engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. In this way one can avoid seeing the pure devotee from a material point of view, and thus one can gradually become a purified devotee himself.”
(Nectar of Instruction, Verse 6, Purport)
“One should not consider the Deity of the Lord as worshiped in the temple to be an idol, nor should one consider the authorized spiritual master an ordinary man. Nor should one consider a pure Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste, etc.”
(From Padma Purana, quoted in Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.4.18, Purport)
“No one should consider the Deity in the temple to be made of stone or wood, nor should one consider the spiritual master an ordinary human being. No one should consider a Vaisnava to belong to a particular caste or creed, and no one should consider canard or Ganges water to be like ordinary water. Nor should anyone consider the Hare Krsna maha-mantra to be a material vibration. All these expansions of Krsnaa in the material world are simply demonstrations of the Lord’s mercy and willingness to give facility to His devotees who are engaged in His devotional service within the material world.”
(From Padma Purana, quoted in Madhya-lila 20.217, Purport)
“One who thinks the Deity in the temple to be made of wood or stone, who thinks of the spiritual master in the disciplic succession as an ordinary man, who thinks the Vaisnava in the Acyuta-gotra to belong to a certain caste or creed or who thinks of caracara or Ganges water as ordinary water is taken to be a resident of hell.” (Padma Purana)
(From Padma Purana, quoted in Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.21.12, Purport)
Q: The rapes in gurukula…
BK: The rapes, you mean sexual abuse?
Q: Yes.
BK: This is exactly what happened in every religious institution. The Catholic church had similar things…after it was found out, ISKCON acted very swiftly…
Comment: BK minimizes or deflects the blame away from ISKCON and ISKCON leaders by saying that every religion has experienced sexual abuse, citing an example of some Catholic priests in Boston. He also twice says that “ISKCON acted swiftly” to rectify the problems as soon as they were known. Perhaps we should ask the victims themselves if ISKCON “acted swiftly”?
Q: If so many of Prabhupada’s disciples have fallen down, how do we know if there’s one pure devotee, or if our spiritual master won’t fall down?
BK: Chuckles, as if it’s a laughing matter.
Q: Can we pray to Krsna to protect our guru from falling?
BK: Ha, ha, ha… Before one accepts a guru, one should ascertain if he is bona fide…. we don’t have a pure devotee meter which can say ‘beep… 80%, 90%, 100%‘… You can’t do that… The way you can tell is by talking to those who have known the guru for many, many years… It’s up to the disciple to basically test the spiritual master. It is actually a fact that so many have fallen away from devotional service. Prabhupada said, ‘don’t be surprised how many fall, but how many stay.’ … But basically we shouldn’t think that the guru will fall down. We should take our time choosing the spiritual master who we KNOW will not fall down, not just sentimental. BK recommends going to the website “ISKCON DESIRE TREE” and comparing gurus online. “It’s everybody’s responsibility” (to choose the right guru). “It’s YOUR responsibility.”
Comment: So basically he admits that it’s a crapshoot in ISKCON. You may chose the wrong guru if you’re not on the ball. In other words, some of ISKCON’s gurus might fall down. They may even lead you to Hell. So it’s up to you, not the guru – and you’re at fault if you happen to choose the wrong one. There was never any doubt about Srila Prabhupada being a bona fide guru, but nowadays “you’re on your own, buddy.” Good luck… ha ha ha!
Q: Have the changes in Srila Prabhupada’s book been bona fide and is the Bhagavad-gita really still “AS IT IS” with so many corrections?
In a gist, BK replies that the majority of corrections are “more in line with what Prabhupada said.” The devotees “mistranscribed” Srila Prabhupada because they couldn’t understand his Bengali. Prabhupada authorized Jayadvaita Swami to make whatever corrections he liked. He says that he himself uses both the new Bhagavad-gita and the old Bhagavad-gita and he “doesn’t see any difference between the two of them, nor the Bhagavatam or any of the other books.” In fact, he says, the new books “are now closer to what Prabhupada wanted and what Prabhupada said.” If you’re interested in the different changes, go to the BBT website for an explanation. “Why are people criticizing,” he asks. “I don’t want to say they’re envious, but they feel left out… they want some position in ISKCON. It’s a psychological/emotional reason that they criticize, but practically speaking the books are the same – actually they’re better.”
Comment: BK often dismisses anyone who questions the party line as having a “psychological -emotional reason.” In other words, they’re either mentally or emotionally disturbed, what to speak of being envious of those who “have a position in the Krishna consciousness movement.” So there certainly can’t be any legitimacy to their complaints or concerns. He utilizes the same type of personal attacks which he condemns others for (allegedly) using against ISCON leaders. Very convenient and tricky, trying to dupe the readers into accepting his “absolute” opinions as axiomatic truth.
To be continued… In the meantime, I’ll expand my comments into a letter to BK. I realize it probably won’t do any good, but at least he’ll know that others are watching what he says, besides his loyal band of sycophants. Thanks for listening.
Hare Krsna. Here is a link to Devavrata’s video of Srila Prabhupada “Chanting with the Wolves.” Listen from 0:30-1:37 minutes for a sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP-Qw_i9XAQ&list=PLqYAt6GS8C8mxC0Vxa5oUZX7pOmQ2EwjN&index=38
He has also posted videos of Prabhupada chanting with dolphins, whales, etc. What’s next – Prabhupada chanting with dogs or hogs? This is outrageous and I’m going to send this out to devotees and ISKCON leaders worldwide to try and put a stop to this offensive nonsense.
Devavrata is the fellow who posted the Bir Krishna lecture which supposedly “every ISKCON devotee should hear.” I wonder who is this man’s “guru,” and whether or not he has authorized these online videos of Srila Prabhupada chanting with animals?
His guru is Bir Krishna i researched and found pictures on facebook
LW you are casting pearls before the swine. Srila Prabhupada’s quotes are ACCEPTED by Prabhupadanugas. Instead you should ask Bir Krshna the CONDITIONED soul why does he want to have sex with Urmila Prayatosa’s wife in secret while PRETENDING to be goswami? THIS is the language these types UNDERSTAND.
Anti Ritviks are classed in the category of animals:
LCFL Life Comes From Life
Srila Prabhupada. Yes, that is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh.
THIS VERSE INDICATES THAT THOSE WHO PRAISE MEN WHO ARE LIKE ANIMALS ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES. Sva means “dog,” vid-varaha means “stool-eating hog,” ustra means “camel,” and khara means “ass.” IF THE NOBEL PRIZE IS GIVEN TO A SCIENTIST WHO IS A RASCAL, THE MEN ON THE COMMITTEE WHO GIVE HIM THAT PRIZE ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES. WE DON’T ACCEPT THEM AS HUMAN BEINGS. ONE ANIMAL IS PRAISED BY ANOTHER ANIMAL. WHERE IS THE CREDIT IN THAT? If the men on the committee are no better than animals, anyone who receives the Nobel Prize in science is fool number one, because animals are praising him, not human beings.
Wow for a goswami getting attracted by the woman named Urmila Prayatosa’s wife, the woman has to be very attractive indeed to have sex with her particularly, as Shriman Mahesh Raja quotes in his comments.
Otherwise, if the goswami only wants sex, he could easily get it anywhere like a dog.
Isn’t it ?
Amar Puri :Wow for a goswami getting attracted by the woman named Urmila Prayatosa’s wife, the woman has to be very attractive indeed to have sex with her particularly, as Shriman Mahesh Raja quotes in his comments.
Mahesh: Well – It is not exactly “Beauty and The Beast” fairy tale. There is just—– a little MORE to it……
Some devotee told me ….
Urmila was constantly fighting with Pratyatosa her husband and — it ended up in a VIOLENT relationship.
Both decided on LEGAL separation at Lawyers office. So NOBODY was to know BECAUSE—- In this way she gets CAREER boost (she wants to be Diksa guru). So began the STORY telling to the world that she was in “Vanasprastha” EXCEPT it was NOT Vansasprastha BUT just a CONVENIENCE set-up. “Vanasprastha” looks GOOD when you tell people—they respect you. “Vanaspratha” was to HIDE the VIOLENT SEPARATION —–and go for CAREER of “SUM TOTAL OF ALL DEMIGODS” .
The FACT is the woman wants to BE WORSHIPED AS GOOD AS GOD. And to do that she NEEDS a man who can HELP her to that OFFICIAL standing of RUBBER STAMPED VOTED IN GURU BY THE BOGUS GBC.
NOW – comes the INTERESTING part: Bir Krishna is the man with some OFFICIAL standing IN THE RUBBER STAMPING BUSINESS—— and they BOTH want something from each other. What we hear is Bir Krishna wants easy SECRETIVE SEX LIFE. And she wants to get VOTED IN as Diksa Guru.
This is all “Mayapur lila” of the rubber-stamp voting guru business ……. there ARE other things the devotees who went there told me that happen in Mayapur with NAMING the devotees on SEX TRIP there—but I will just stop here.
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Yep….. It looks like a very heavy CAREER opportunity but an easy one as described by Mahesh Raja.
Indeed, it is simply better to chant ;
HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE,
HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE,
And make our respective lives sublime.
“After the time of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, those faithful to Him kept apart from nondevotees, to avoid contamination. Seeing this, the personality of Kali sent his representatives in disguise to pollute the Vaisnava sampradaya. Posing as Vaisnavas, they spread their wicked doctrines, and appeared so intelligent and devoted that only pure devotees could detect their real identity. Most devotees — not only the most neophyte — were enchanted by their tricks. In this way Kali’s agents expertly introduced karma, jnana, and anyabhilasa in the Vaisnava sampradaya and caused suddha-bhakti to vanish from the world.”
Sajjana Tosani 18.2.13-14 (1915); by Siddhanta Sarasvati –
Co znaczy anyabhilasa ?
What means anyabhilasa ?
Bhakta Waldemar asks ; What means anyabhilasa ?
anyabhilasita-sunyam means without desire for material profit or gain through fruitive activities or philosophical speculation.
You can read more in details in the Bhagavatgita Ch. 7 Text. 16
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.