BY: MAHESH RAJA
(SUN) — He is not a liberated person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person to Krishna Consciousness.
This is in response to Raghunatha Puri das prabhu’s article, “Guru Seeing God Seeing Guru“, in which he wrote:
“I think that Mahesh Raja’s equating guru with directly seeing (and speaking with) Krishna is not applicable to post-Srila Prabhupada ISKCON, and it does not accurately reflect Srila Prabhupada’s own stated ideas as to who can initiate disciples within his movement.
I’m basing this assertion on this excerpt from a letter written to Hamsaduta on December 3, 1968:
“Next January there will be an examination on this Bhagavad-gita. Papers will be sent by me to all centers, and those securing the minimum passing grade will be given the title as Bhakti-sastri. Similarly, another examination will be held on Lord Caitanya’s Appearance Day in February, 1970 and it will be upon Srimad-Bhagavatam and Bhagavad-gita. Those passing will get the title of Bhakti-vaibhava.
Another examination will be held sometimes in 1971 on the four books, Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, and Nectar of Devotion. One who will pass this examination will be awarded with the title of Bhaktivedanta. I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program. So we should not simply publish these books for reading by outsiders, but our students must be well versed in all of our books so that we can be prepared to defeat all opposing parties in the matter of self-realization”.
Presumably, Srila Prabhupada didn’t expect that all of his disciples would become maha-bhagavats in such a short period of time.
But – according to his vision expressed therein – devotees who faithfully followed the regulative principles and became well versed in Krishna conscious philosophy could initiate their own disciples within ISKCON.”
Srila Prabhupada did NOT say in the letter that the disciples are THEIRS upon such initiation.
The above quote is about encouraging devotees to read Srila Prabhupada’s books — it is not about giving Diksa on a liberated platform to a madhyama adhikari. The initiation spoken is based on FORMALITY seeing the context of the quote.
There is a BIG difference in initiating 1) as a formality on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, disciples remain Srila Prabhupada’s; and 2) initiating Madhyama adhikari. (Please refer to my article)
Whereas they CAN initiate as a formality on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, they can NOT give Diksa as per Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.18. This requires a liberated person.
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Janardana, April 26, 1968:
On the whole, you may know that he is not a liberated person, and therefore, he cannot initiate any person to Krishna Consciousness. It requires special spiritual benediction from higher authorities.
Further points on this are:
1) The letter was written in 1968;
2) From 1968 to 1977 there was no initiation by anyone except Srila Prabhupada; and
3) In 1977 Srila Prabhupada gave an order to the society, July 9th 1977 the Ritvik initiation system — the disciples were to be Srila Prabhupada’s.
As for saying “Post Prabhupada”, there is no such thing, as you have to answer TWO questions:
1) EXACTLY when did Srila Prabhupada EVER state that he has STOPPED giving DIKSA at Madhyama Adhikari stage to the countless generations of devotees still to come? (Refer to my article)
2) Since NO ORDER from Srila Prabhupada was EVER given that they ARE Acarya (Uttama Adhikari) HOW can they give DIKSA? I am NOT talking of FORMALITY of initiation. (Refer to my article).
Regarding Satsvarupa, you wrote:
“I don’t think that his initiated disciples should be discouraged from continuing to accept him as a guru. My basic understanding is that if a person sincerely follows someone as a spiritual master, then they will go where that person is in the next life.”
Satsvarupa is a conditioned soul, he can NOT deliver them — this shows his dishonesty. He is cheating them and his own delivery is also doubtful. He is more likely to go to hell with his disciples following him. Read below:
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Satsvarupa, September 20, 1968:
“Our relationship is eternal. But if somebody lags behind, so in spite of our eternal relationship one may not meet other at the destination. Just like a flock of birds–although very intimately related, everyone of them has to fly in the sky by individual strength. If one is less strong, the other cannot keep him in the sky. That is the law of nature. So long everyone of us is strong in Krishna Consciousness, there is no doubt, you can fly in the spiritual sky and meet together without failure.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Jayapataka, July 11, 1969:
And anyone who defies and therefore disconnects the relationship with the Spiritual Master can hardly expect the assistance of the Spiritual Master life after life.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.19.37 Purport – The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami:
The pseudo spiritual master flatters the so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Tusta Krsna, December 14, 1972:
As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. Then both of them will to go to hell, like blind men leading the blind.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.7.14 – Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati:
“Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction [as described in the previous verse] are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them.”
Without karma being burned up, how can one go back to Godhead? Karma is burned up when he realizes his constitutional position which is at Madhyama Adhikari stage (Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 4.192) where proper initiation takes place. What Satsvarupa has received so far is formality initiation – that’s all. His disciples are at risk as he is NOT a bona fide spiritual master; b) Satsvarupa himself is not free from Karma so how can he rescue others? He has yet to come to the level of Madhyama adhikari stage, which is **properly initiated** stage, or else he CAN descend into animal species of life.
Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 15.108 — The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya:
“Unless one is initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, all his devotional activities are useless. A person who is not properly initiated can descend again into the animal species.“
Bhagavad-gita 4.19 — Transcendental Knowledge
yasya sarve samārambhāḥ
kāma-saṅkalpa-varjitāḥ
jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇaṁ
tam āhuḥ paṇḍitaṁ budhaḥSYNONYMS
yasya–one whose; sarve–all sorts of; samarambhah–in all attempts; kama–desire for sense gratification; sankalpa–determination; varjitah–are devoid of; jnana–of perfect knowledge; agni–fire; dagdha–being burnt by; karmanam–the performer; tam–him; ahuh–declare; panditam–learned; budhah–of those who know.TRANSLATION
One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.PURPORT
Only a person in full knowledge can understand the activities of a person in Krsna consciousness. Because the person in Krsna consciousness is devoid of all kinds of sense-gratificatory propensities, it is to be understood that he has burned up the reactions of his work by *perfect knowledge of his constitutional position as the eternal servitor* of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is actually learned who has attained to such perfection of knowledge. Development of this knowledge of the eternal servitorship of the Lord is compared to fire. Such a fire, once kindled, can burn up all kinds of reactions to work.
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Your quote of Madhya 15.108 is very misleading and a prime example of cherry-picking Prabhupada’s writings to prove a point.
The translation of the verse is actually:
“One does not have to undergo initiation or execute the activities required before initiation. One simply has to vibrate the holy name with his lips. Thus even a man in the lowest class [candala] can be delivered.”
Your quote was from the purport, which is the most confusing I have ever read. Prabhupada quotes some scriptures that contradict Caitanya, but near the end of the purport, he clears states:
“In other words, the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra is so powerful that it does not depend on official initiation,”
and also:
“The offenseless chanting of the holy name does not depend on the initiation process.”
In my understanding of the purport, official initiation helps but is not mandatory. If everyone accepted this, the guru controversy would not be an issue.
In the words of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta (Ādi 7.73):
kṛṣṇa-mantra haite habe saṁsāra-mocana
kṛṣṇa-nāma haite pābe kṛṣṇera caraṇa
“Simply by chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa one can obtain freedom from material existence. Indeed, simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra one will be able to see the lotus feet of the Lord.”
The offenseless chanting of the holy name does not depend on the initiation process. Although initiation may depend on puraścaryā or puraścaraṇa, the actual chanting of the holy name does not depend on puraścaryā-vidhi, or the regulative principles. If one chants the holy name once without committing an offense, he attains all success. During the chanting of the holy name, the tongue must work. Simply by chanting the holy name, one is immediately delivered. The tongue is sevonmukha-jihvā-it is controlled by service. One whose tongue is engaged in tasting material things and also talking about them cannot use the tongue for absolute realization.
Prabhu, Prayaga Das, please read the above carefully.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Prayaga Das :Your quote of Madhya 15.108 is very misleading and a prime example of cherry-picking Prabhupada’s writings to prove a point.
Mahesh: That is just your personal opinion. Looks like you have been “initiated” by the bogus guru – and find it very bitter to take the TRUTH. However, THE TRUTH is – there is ONE BONAFIDE Diksa Guru in ISKCON: Srila Prabhupada.
The REALITY is there IS Diksa by the BONA FIDE guru and THAT Bonafide Diksa Guru is Srila Prabhupada.
Your CONDITIONED soul guru will NOT be able to transfer Krsna in YOUR heart:
SB 10.2.18 Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb
Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devaki. Devaki, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Krsna, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
PURPORT
As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was TRANSFERRED from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was TRANSFERRED to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, but by DIKSA, initiation. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. UNLESS ONE IS INITIATED BY THE RIGHT PERSON, WHO ALWAYS CARRIES WITHIN HIS HEART THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, ONE CANNOT ACQUIRE THE POWER TO CARRY THE SUPREME GODHEAD WITHIN THE CORE OF ONE’S OWN HEART.
Prayaga Das: Prabhupada quotes some scriptures that contradict Caitanya,….”
Mahesh: Contradict Caitanya???? Just see!!!! If THIS is what your understanding of Srila Prabhupada is you just lost your brains.
Prayaga Das: In my understanding of the purport, official initiation helps but is not mandatory. If everyone accepted this, the guru controversy would not be an issue.
Mahesh: No – that is not the issue. The ACTUAL ISSUE IS Srila Prabhupada is Diksa Guru in ISKCON and the unholy MANIPULATIVE bunch of Anti Ritvik CROOKS have chosen to REPLACE him:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46589#more-46589
pamho
agtACBSP
SRILA PRABHUPADA used to say that the living guru (not dead like all the illegal guru hoaxers) must be a mukta purusa a liberated soul,it doesn’t matter if is liberated from the spiritual sky or from the material sky but it must be a liberated soul otherwise all of them fake guru and fake disciples goes straight to patala-loka hell,
we prabhupadanugas already know by the causeless mercy of SRILA RUPA GOSVAMI that the only price to pay to go back blissful again is LOULYAM KALATVAM to become spiritual greedy in getting the lotus feet of SRILA PRABHUPADA in the spiritual sky,
our business is not to fight like cats and dogs to establish the real sanatana dharma after all the spiritual path is marked directly by SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA dharmat tv saksad bhagavat pranitam we just require more sincerity and humulity to get the quality and the steady determination to go beyond all the mortal platform of the anartha prajalpa connected to all the temporary and fake images through speculate physical reflections still trapped in jivasya mohan aham mameti,
this means to be a liberated person beyond the constant transformations of the saguna forms by residing in that ever last spiritual body free from eviction from any material body and planet too,
the nama basa stage in chanting the HOLY NAME is enough to become a liberated soul as happen to AJAMILA who got a second chance like all of us is getting too in this kali chelas age through the mercy of the most merciful avatara called SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU,
all the planet was already starving in the previous kali yuga at this present time and if we still get everything nowadays is because of the PARAM VIJAYATE SRI KRSNA SANKIRTANAM KI JAI
agtSP
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abhaya carana seva das:….”the nama basa stage in chanting the HOLY NAME is enough to become a liberated soul as happen to AJAMILA who got a second chance like all of us is getting too in this kali chelas age through the mercy of the most merciful avatara called SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU…”
Mahesh: Just to point out: AJAMILA CHANTED THE NAME OF NARAYANA WITHOUT OFFENSES.
The Anti Ritvik GOONS are SERIOUS OFFENDERS because they want Srila Prabhupada REPLACED as Diksa Guru. Srila Prabhupada wanted Ritvik System as Per July 9th 1977 Order and these goons want Srila Prabhupada REPLACED:
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
(28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
SB 6.2.8 P Ajamila Delivered by the Visnudutas
Previously, when engaged in sinful activities to maintain his family, AJAMILA CHANTED THE NAME OF NARAYANA WITHOUT OFFENSES. TO CHANT THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD JUST TO COUNTERACT ONE’S SINFUL ACTIVITIES, OR TO COMMIT SINFUL ACTIVITIES ON THE STRENGTH OF CHANTING THE HOLY NAME, IS OFFENSIVE (NAMNO BALAD YASYA HI PAPA-BUDDHIH). BUT ALTHOUGH AJAMILA ENGAGED IN SINFUL ACTIVITIES, HE NEVER CHANTED THE HOLY NAME OF NARAYANA TO COUNTERACT THEM; HE SIMPLY CHANTED THE NAME NARAYANA TO CALL HIS SON. Therefore his chanting was effective. BECAUSE OF CHANTING THE HOLY NAME OF NARAYANA IN THIS WAY, HE HAD ALREADY VANQUISHED THE ACCUMULATED SINFUL REACTIONS OF MANY, MANY LIVES. In the beginning he was pure, but although he later committed many sinful acts, HE WAS OFFENSELESS BECAUSE HE DID NOT CHANT THE HOLY NAME OF NARAYANA TO COUNTERACT THEM. One who always chants the holy name of the Lord without offenses is always pure. AS CONFIRMED IN THIS VERSE AJAMILA WAS ALREADY SINLESS, AND BECAUSE HE CHANTED THE NAME OF NARAYANA HE REMAINED SINLESS. IT DID NOT MATTER THAT HE WAS CALLING HIS SON; THE NAME ITSELF WAS EFFECTIVE.
Note: EVEN the so-called initiation received from Anti Ritvik bogus rubber-stamped gurus is also BOGUS. This means they have NOT received the Holy name. They just received only THE MUNDANE VIBRATION OF THE LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET:
Antya 3.59 T The Glories of Srila Haridasa Thakura
namera aksara-sabera ei ta’ svabhava
vyavahita haile na chade apana-prabhava
SYNONYMS
namera–of the holy name; aksara–letters; sabera–of all; ei–this; ta’–certainly; sva-bhava–the characteristic; vyavahita haile–even when improperly uttered; na–do not; chade–give up; apana-prabhava–their own spiritual influence.
TRANSLATION
“The letters of the holy name have so much spiritual potency that they act even when uttered improperly.
PURPORT
SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA STATES THAT THE WORD VYAVAHITA (“IMPROPERLY UTTERED”) IS NOT USED HERE TO REFER TO THE MUNDANE VIBRATION OF THE LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET. SUCH NEGLIGENT UTTERANCE FOR THE SENSE GRATIFICATION OF MATERIALISTIC PERSONS IS NOT A VIBRATION OF TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND. Utterance of the holy name while one engages in sense gratification is an impediment on the path toward achieving ecstatic love for Krsna. On the other hand, if one who is eager for devotional service utters the holy name even partially or improperly, the holy name, who is identical with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, exhibits its spiritual potency because of that person’s offenseless utterance. Thus one is relieved from all unwanted practices, and one gradually awakens his dormant love for Krsna.
Note: accepting Anti Ritvik bogus gurus means MUNDANE MANUFACTURED SOUND HAS NO POTENCY, AND AS SUCH, SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY.
SB 2.9.8 P Answers by Citing the Lord’ s Version
THE POTENCY OF TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND IS NEVER MINIMIZED BECAUSE THE VIBRATOR IS APPARENTLY ABSENT. Therefore Srimad-Bhagavatam or Bhagavad-gita or any revealed scripture in the world is never to be accepted as an ordinary mundane sound without transcendental potency.
One has to receive the transcendental sound from the right source, accept it as a reality and prosecute the direction without hesitation. The secret of success is to receive the sound from the right source of a bona fide spiritual master. MUNDANE MANUFACTURED SOUND HAS NO POTENCY, AND AS SUCH, SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY. One should be qualified enough to discern such transcendental potency, and either by discriminating or by fortunate chance if one is able to receive the transcendental sound from the BONA FIDE spiritual master, his path of liberation is guaranteed. The disciple, however, must be ready to execute the order of the bona fide spiritual master as Lord Brahma executed the instruction of his spiritual master, the Lord Himself. Following the order of the bona fide spiritual master is the only duty of the disciple, and this completely faithful execution of the order of the bona fide spiritual master is the secret of success.
Note: those that REJECT Srila Prabhupada the BONAFIDE Diksa Guru and accept an Anti Ritvik RUBBER-STAMPED conditioned soul as guru means NO going to Goloka(Krsnaloka) :
Bg 16.23 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya
vartate kama-karatah
na sa siddhim avapnoti
na sukham na param gatim
TRANSLATION
BUT HE WHO DISCARDS SCRIPTURAL INJUNCTIONS AND ACTS ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WHIMS ATTAINS NEITHER PERFECTION, NOR HAPPINESS, *NOR THE SUPREME DESTINATION*.
Hare Krsna, dear Prabhus.
I would like to ask you. Why are Ritvik initiations outside ISKCON? The Ritvik initiation 1st and 2nd is a FORMALITY.
But if different groups work how will be chance to recover the name of ISKCON that it be pure again?
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
Nāmno balād yasya hi pāpa-buddhiḥ:
” the Lord’s holy name certainly has the potency to neutralize all sinful activities, but if one repeatedly and intentionally commits sins while chanting the holy name, he is most condemned. ”
Ajamila was free from any offence when he simply called the name NARAYANA who happened to be his son named NARAYANA to whom he was calling at the time of his leaving body.
OM TAT SAT.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
pamho
agtACBSP,
the main reason why ajamila got mukti is that ajamila use to have vaisnava background history through out his previous lives and not just in his last sinful life,the six canto of the SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM chapter two text 7 said that ajamila didn’t chant the HOLY NAME purely it was without offences but was not suddha nama,
ajamila and the prostitute were under evil influences because of their curses in their last lives before to become ajamila,the yogini who became a prostitute in her next life also got mukti libreration as soon as they became free from the curses actually they saved 50 generations ahead and 50 generations from the past, both of them ajamila and the prostitute were saintly people before to curse each other to act very sinfully
ajamila use to do robbery to people by stealing everything with the menace of a knife,of course he repent to leave the young and beautiful wife including his old mother and father who was depending on him but the main reason of the liberation of ajamila is connected with his vaisnava history he could pronounce any sloka with the perfect pronunciation and use to be a pukka brahmana before to fallen down with the prostitute,
his chanting of the HOLY NAME was not purely chanted it means was not suddha nama neither the stage of chanting full of offences he just got the full mercy by SRI MUKUNDA the giver of MUKTI
agtSP
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Note: thank-you abhaya carana seva das Prabhu for the input. Ajamila was no ordinary person he was actually a QUALIFIED Brahmana before his association with the prostitute— AND—– just look at the QUALIFICATIONS of a Brahmana:
Madhya 20.59 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science
PURPORT
This verse is spoken by Prahlada Maharaja in Srimad-Bhagavatam (7.9.10). A brahmana is supposed to be qualified with twelve qualities. As stated in the Mahabharata:
dharmas ca satyam ca damas tapas ca
amatsaryam hris titiksanasuya
yajnas ca danam ca dhrtih srutam ca
vratani vai dvadasa brahmanasya
“A brahmana must be perfectly religious. He must be truthful, and he must be able to control his senses. He must execute severe austerities, and he must be detached, humble and tolerant. He must not envy anyone, and he must be expert in performing sacrifices and giving whatever he has in charity. He must be fixed in devotional service and expert in the knowledge of the Vedas. These are the twelve qualifications for a brahmana.”
Bhagavad-gita describes the brahminical qualities in this way:
samo damas tapah saucam
ksantir arjavam eva ca
jnanam vijnanam astikyam
brahma-karma svabhava-jam
“Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness–these are the qualities by which the brahmanas work.” (Bg. 18.42)
In the Muktaphala-tika, it is said:
samo damas tapah saucam
ksanty-arjava-virakta yah
jnana-vijnana-santosah
satyastikye dvisad gunah
“Mental equilibrium, sense control, austerity, cleanliness, tolerance, simplicity, detachment, theoretical and practical knowledge, satisfaction, truthfulness and firm faith in the Vedas are the twelve qualities of a brahmana.
SB 6.1.21 P The History of the Life of Ajamila
The fault of illicit connection with women is that it makes one lose all brahminical qualities. In India there is still a class of servants, called sudras, whose maidservant wives are called sudranis. Sometimes people who are very lusty establish relationships with such maidservants and sweeping women, since in the higher statuses of society they cannot indulge in the habit of woman hunting, which is strictly prohibited by social convention. AJAMILA, A QUALIFIED BRAHMANA youth, lost all his brahminical qualities because of his association with a prostitute, but he was ultimately saved because he had begun the process of bhakti-yoga.
760624SB.NV Lectures
If you do not practice from the very beginning, it is not possible. ANTE NARAYANA-SMRTIH. IT IS SAID THAT THE GREATEST SUCCESS OF LIFE IS AT THE TIME OF (DEATH) REMEMBERING NARAYANA, ANTE NARAYANA-SMRTIH. JUST LIKE AJAMILA. He, at the end of his life, REMEMBERED Narayana. So this is success. But this can be possible if we practice from the very beginning. AJAMILA, FIRST OF ALL, HE WAS A BRAHMACARI, BRAHMANA, VERY WELL BEHAVED BRAHMANA, LEARNED EVERYTHING, BUT DUE TO BAD ASSOCIATION HE FELL DOWN. BUT KRSNA GAVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY, KRSNA SAYS IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA, NA ME BHAKTA PRANASYATI. IF ONCE ONE HAS SINCERELY BECOME THE PURE DEVOTEE OF KRSNA, THAT WILL NEVER GO IN VAIN. So Krsna saw this Ajamila in his childhood and boyhood and youthhood a devotee, so He gave him the chance. At last, he had ten sons. The tenth son was named as Narayana. THIS IS KRSNA’S POLICY, THAT “THIS RASCAL IS FORGETTING ME, SO I’LL GIVE HIM A CHILD WHOSE NAME IS NARAYANA.” SO, WITH REFERENCE TO HIS SON, HE WAS CHANTING “NARAYANA.” “NARAYANA, PLEASE COME HERE, MY DEAR SON. NARAYANA, PLEASE TAKE THIS FOOD.” SO IN THIS WAY, HIS ACCOUNT WAS BEING CREDITED, “NARAYANA, NARAYANA, NARAYANA.” YOU SEE? SO THEREFORE HE GOT THE SALVATION. SIMILARLY, IF WE SIMPLY CHANT HARE KRSNA AND FOLLOW THESE PRINCIPLES, OUR LIFE IS SUCCESSFUL. THIS IS CALLED AJNATA-SUKRTI. WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE SUKRTI. SUKRTI MEANS PIOUS ACTIVITIES. Su means pious and krti means activities. Sukrtino ‘rjuna. Catur-vidha bhajante mam janah sukrtino ‘rjuna. Arjuna… Those who are sukrtina, means one’s background is pious, they begin bhajana, Krsna consciousness. Catur-vidha bhajante mam janah sukrtino ‘rjuna. Arto, artharthi, jnani, jijnasur. Four kinds of men–arto, the one who is distressed, and artharthi, one who is poor, wants some money. Jnani–one who wants to know what is God; jijnasur–inquisitive. Such persons, if his background is piety, sukrtina, then he begins bhajana.
abhaya carana seva das:…”his chanting of the HOLY NAME was not purely chanted it means was not suddha nama neither the stage of chanting full of offences he just got the full mercy by SRI MUKUNDA the giver of MUKTI.”
Mahesh: now—- here——- is the interesting part, Ajamila AFTER Yamadutas incidence later on went to Hrsikesa and—– performed devotional service:
751102mw.nai Conversations
Harikesa: I’M CURIOUS ABOUT THE DESTINATION OF A NEOPHYTE DEVOTEE. If a neophyte devotee is with determination endeavoring for purification but he were to meet with death as he is still influenced by the lower modes, although he is seriously trying, then does he take another birth or does he go to Krsna?
Prabhupada: NO, HE HAS TO TAKE ANOTHER BIRTH. IF HE IS NOT COMPLETELY PURIFIED, HE HAS TO SUFFER ANOTHER BIRTH. NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO ENTER INTO THE SPIRITUAL UNLESS HE IS CENT PERCENT PURE. NO ALLOWANCE. Then he has to… Therefore it is said, sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrasto sanjayate. He is given chance, another chance, to take birth in a very pure brahmana family or rich family so that he may take again the chance, not in, he is allowed to enter. He is given a good chance again. That is his benefit. Even if you are failure, still, your next birth as a very first-class human being is guaranteed. Not for others. It is only for the yogis. If he is… Therefore it is said that “What is the loss even if he is failure?” Tyaktva sva-dharmam caranambujam harer bhajann apakvo ‘tha patet tato yadi yatra kva va abhadram abhud amusya kim. This verse is very important. Even by sentiment one comes to Krsna consciousness and discharges the regulative duties, chants Hare Krsna, his next life is guaranteed as a human being. Even he does it for some time–he is not perfect–still, his next life is guaranteed. But others, there is no such guarantee. Even if he discharges his so-called duties, material duties, there is no guarantee that he’ll become a human being. (break)
Harikesa: They let him stay in that body and then he went to Hrsikesa and performed devotional service and then became perfect.
Prabhupada: NO, HE WAS ALREADY PERFECT, BUT TO INCREASE HIS DESIRE–“HOW SHALL I GO VAIKUNTHA?”–ANOTHER TIME HE HAD TO GO. HE WAS A PERFECT; OTHERWISE HOW HE WAS SAVED FROM THE YAMADUTAS?
Harikesa: So if a devotee dies and remembers Krsna, although he is not perfect…
Prabhupada: UNLESS HE IS PERFECT, HE CANNOT REMEMBER KRSNA. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. THAT IS THEORY ONLY. HE MUST BE PERFECT. SOMEHOW OR OTHER, HE FALLEN, SO KRSNA GIVES HIM THE CHANCE. THAT IS SPECIAL CONCESSION FOR DEVOTEE. Some way or other, you become devotee. Even if you cannot finish the whole job, if you fall down, still, there is guarantee that you get your birth in a very good society. That is the prerogative.
Jnana: What about like Maharaja Bharata?
Prabhupada: That was also. If Maharaja Bharata… It was punishment and reward also. Maharaja Bharata, although he became a deer, he remembered that he was such and such exalted position but “I became attached to the deer and I forgot my regular duties.” Maharaja Bharata, he became so much attached to the deer, he forgot his regular duties. Therefore he was punished. But he remembered that “I was in such exalted position. On account of my attachment to the deer I have fallen.” Therefore he rectified himself so that in his next life he became completely silent so that “I may not fall down,” Jada Bharata. This association, material association, is so dangerous, so he remained just like a dull madman. That’s all. He was talking with nobody; he was not mixing with anybody. Whatever one would do, he did not protest, but his knowledge was full.
Yes, on account of the Sukirity, accumulated Spiritual Merits, Ajamila was able to call out the name of ” NARAYANA ” at his conscious level of NAMA – ABHASA because he was simply calling his son whose name happened to be Narayana also.
Thus, with that enough Spiritual Merit in the fullest, he was able to have the Mercy of the Lord to go to the Vaikuntha at the time of his leaving body.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
“Chanting Hare Krsna does not await initiation”. “Hare Nama initiation is enough to go back to Godhead”. “Milk touched by the lips of a serpent,causes poisonous effects”. The mantra must be received by the hearing spectacle from the mouth of the Authorized representative of Krsna,for it to have an effect on the chanter or the hearer. All these are relevant quotes from the writings of Srila Prabhupada,our living guru and current Acharya in the line of disciplic succession. Srila Prabhada’s order for officials delivering the beads and the mantras by hearing from his tape recorded voice,or any other documented method of transference is the process for formal initiation,and the rest is up to the determination of the follower to pursue and advance.”Initiation starts in the heart” and it is formalized by the official ceremony or the contract of agreement. “My books are recorded chanting”. “My purports are my personal ecstasy”. Srila Prabhupada said.
My question to the above miss interpreter is: Your assumption that there need to be a physically present Guru for transmission of knowledge to new devotees,is dead on arrival. So, what is according to your logic and referenced by Guru Sadhu and Shastra,what is the special prerequisite for being the direct via media representative of Krsna in disciplic succession? We know that “a conditioned soul can not liberate another conditioned soul”,so how one who have no first hand experience of Krsna is able to deliver knowledge transcendental to a disciple, without having sufficient guidance in his spiritual resume? Does a Madhyam adhikary who is midway in devotional realization able to deliver another conditioned soul? On the another hand,it “is very easy to become a spiritual master ,by repeating what the spiritual master said to the conditioned soul’s ears”,as instructed by Lord Chaitanya to people, in his travels throughout India. A representative need to deliver the message as he had heard from the authorized Acharya and without alteration,in order to have effect. As it is the unadulterated message or sound vibration coming from the lotus mouth of the pure devotee that have the liberating effect,and not necessarily from the representative that may or may not become liberated himself,as non of us conditioned souls are indispensable in Krsna consciousness.
pamho
agtACBSP,
thank you to HG Mahesh prabhu to make this wonderful article more clear then before yes we are waiting for that special moment called ANTE NARAYANA SMRTIH then NRSIMHA bisanam bhadram mrtyu mrtyu namami aham ,all the nectar and the poison is waiting for MRTYU MAHARAJ to be split ,
this story of AJAMILA is very important because it make the differents stages of the chanting of the HOLY NAME more clear by inspiring the real devotees to get the same mercy of AJAMILA in keepIng chanting all life long the glories of the names of the PARAM VIJAYATE SRI KRSNA SANKIRTANAM,
unfortunately we got not vaisnava background history as AJAMILA but we got SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU who is given us more then that as the best NAMO MAHA VADANYAYA krsna prema pradayate then the KRSNA katha it’s the best medicine to make the senses gratification bitter and the bhakti yoga sweet by don’t care about all the disgusted fake reflections and images born from the refusal to serve krsna in this dukhalayam asasvatam,
is better to try to see the supersoul in their polluted hearts instead of all the rubbish they got in their krpana durajana sadhu sanga ki jai
agtSP
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