Correspondence with a practitioner of nirvesesa sunyavadi philosophy

Hare Krsna Prabhupadanugas !
please accept my ecstatic obeisances !
All Glory to Srila Prabhupada !!!

As all-ways, thank you for the stalwart dedication to Srila Prabhupada, allowing souls like me who are aspiring to serve Srila Prabhupada to have a forum to associate with others who are more advanced in serving Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna. This has given me a indescribable amount of inspiration, of which i can am pretty certain i can never repay but hopefully you all will accept my ecstatic gratitude, admiration and obeisances . This inspiration provided by the Prabhupadanugas has given me more encouragement to hand out Gitas and then engage with those who i have handed them too. One gentlemen i have handed a Gita to due to His inquisitiveness, is still stuck in the the capacity of nirvesesa and mayavadi doctrines and we have been having a email debate back and forth. The reason is i have printed Krsna cards with vista print with the Maha mantra on one side and a beautiful Srila Prabhupada quote on the other from the Science of Self Realization, along with my email, of which i put in each Gita. i am pasting my latest response to him, as i have been inspired to do so in case it can be shared with the Prabhupdanuga community that we are not cowards but actually out here fighting with kali-celas with no cares. Maybe this will help some of our Godsiblings and inspire them further in their service to Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna. i already accept and understand if it is not published, no worries either way. i pray all is well in Krsna consciousness, and again thank you unlimitedly for all you do for all of us and Srila Prabhupada.

jason

Jaya Prabhupada !!!

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Hare Krsna Joseph !

Lord Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead states, ” Abandon all varieties of religion and surrender unto Me, i will deliver you from all your sinful reactions, do not fear.” Bhagavad Gita 18.66.

This is the perfection of our human life and Krsna personally states this to all of us, so are you saying that He doesn’t know the secret ? come on Joseph, that is preposterous

He also asks His personal associates, or comes Himself, or comes as an Avatara, to to this miserable existence to reclaim the fallen conditioned souls by telling them this open secret and asking them to dispense it on His behalf. Those like Lord Siva, Lord Brahma, Yeshua Krsna, Himself disguised as a devotee and known as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and Srila Prabhupada do this sacred act. All of which are light years ahead of us in all the characteristics and acquisitions you can name.

Furthermore you can’t actually believe that statement “one who is talking constantly at others about the ancient secrets is not demonstrating knowledge of those secrets”, well maybe you do understand, because “talking at” means not practicing of that which we are speaking, just lots of gum bumping, of which we see around us alot alot alot, and talking to or talking with means one is listening and one is speaking, and the one speaking is actually practicing these tenets and is passing it on to that someone else, who may either be humble or not so humble. so your “talking at”, of which most people are doing by choice, by arrogance, by self importance, is like saying one can make water from any combination of any elements in the periodic table. That is talking at, because they have no knowledge the bonds, electron etc. or anything else about that particular substance, But actually and factually its two elements in only one arrangement, 2 hydrogen 1 oxygen. That’s it. There is no other combination that is water. If one says in parallel to what, you have stated that “well you are saying that is the combination for water, but you are not demonstrating it. you are talking at me” we say sure we can, let’s go to a lab, we will look through the electron microscope and so therefore you can see. we will also say ask or call any person learned chemistry, it doesn’t even have to be a PhD, and they say the same thing, it’s also in every chemistry book and only a fool wouldn’t except all that as evidence. This is what we are doing, saying to people here, this is the recipe, chant Hare Krsna, associate with The Supreme Personality of Godhead, we do it, experiment yourself. On this Sri Krsna has stated

“Being freed from attachment, fear and anger, being fully absorbed in Me and taking refuge in Me, many, many persons in the past became purified by knowledge of Me—and thus they all attained transcendental love for Me.” BG 4.10

Furthermore about that statement, if someone has knowledge and doesn’t dispense it, then how would you personally know anything? Seriously how would you know anything ? like brushing your teeth, putting food in your mouth and not your anus, its a hole too you know, stopping at a red light, putting gasoline in your car, water is a liquid to you know, but put water in that tank and see if the car runs. Actually all that you know someone has told you, taught you or you’ve read of which someone has written, or you’ve seen which means someone has done the act before you. if you say otherwise, we cant take you seriously anymore. because if this is what you believe then we say practice what you preach. heal thyself physician. Go to a hole, stop talking to people,stop eating, stop drinking, stop breathing, stop hearing, stop smelling, stop touching, stop seeing, stop everything. again what you are representing is the void and impersonal philosophy, nirvesesa sunyavadi, of which you only know about because you have read or heard it, which in and of itself is a contradiction, of which you also are simultaneously repeating, of which you are also saying one shouldn’t do, which is more and more contradictions So according to the philosophy you follow you are doing everything you shouldn’t, so how is that valid or respected by any sane person ? The difference in what we are doing with Vaisnava Philosophy, is understanding and implementing what we study and then repeat, not just instructing without practicing like a parrot. Instructing or speaking and not doing what we say has a name, it is called hypocrisy, which, what can we expect, this is the age where that mentality is foremost in 99.9% of the population, and then glorified. But choosing to no longer be disobedient to the controller of all the controllers, Sri Krsna, we do as He has requested instructed.

harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha [Cc. Adi 17.21]

‘In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’

“So therefore the process of reviving their Krsna consciousness is Krsna’s. No other process will help. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He was Krsna Himself. He advised, harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. The only hope is if you go through the sastras, Vedic literature, that is the way to understand. But at the present moment people are so engrossed with material affairs that they are not interested even to hear or to talk about Krsna consciousness. That is not a very good sign. It is the feverish condition of durbhiksa. That is mentioned in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, that people in general, when they come to the point of suffering from natural law, then they will revive their nitya-siddha krsna-bhakti.” Srila Prabhupada class on Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.6.11Bombay, December 29, 1976

These are not “memorized precepts”, these are the benedictions from a self-realized soul, a pure devotee and eternal servant of the creator who created this creation, Srila Prabhupada, of which we are applying, and of which He Lord Krsna Himself, has originally dispensed. That is how knowledge, understanding the difference between matter and spirit, is understood. By receiving through hearing or seeing, then applying that knowledge, it’s not just some memorization. we shall say it another way, if one is given a prescription by a physician for their illness, and follows the directions, most likely they are cured . they have applied the information given to them, not just memorized it. If they memorize the application of meds but don’t follow through with consumption, most likely there symptoms get worse, and furthermore it they take 5 pills one day 1 the next none the next then 2, then too, most likely they will be back to the physician because they did there own pompous thinking in ignorant arrogance..

Summing all this up, God is Absolute, His Names are Absolute, He is not bound by this material world and it’s laws like we. The only way out is to associate with Him. That is why it is said three times, there is no other way. This is for emphasis, also Camasa Muni states in Srimad-Bhagavatam, Eleventh Canto, Ninth Chapter, 6th verse,

krsna-varnam tvisa-krsnam
sangopangastra-parsadam
yajnair sankirtana-prayair
yajanti hi su-medhasah

Translation

“In the Age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the name of Kṛṣṇa. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.”

Srila Prabhupada class at Harvard University 12/24/1969

“Su-medhasah, this Sanskrit word, means intelligent persons. Medhas. Medhas means brain substance, one who has got very good brain substance…….. “In the Kali-yuga the process of self-realization is sankirtana movement.” Sankirtana. Sankirtana means bahudha, bahubhir militva. When congregational chanting is done, that is called sankirtana. So in this age the sankirtana movement is recommended. There is no question of what is your religion, what is my religion.”

As far as your comment “The aim is to bring as much divine soul into this body as possible, and so eventually the personality becomes trained and conditioned by this divine soul, resulting in a higher platform.” Sri Krsna states “BG 13.3

“O scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies, and to understand this body and its owner is called knowledge. That is My opinion.”

One cannot bring something in that is already present, Krsna is already within us in His expansion as Paramatma, Ksirodakasayi Visnu, we just have to associate with Him by the blueprint we have been provided, Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

As far as your comment about “non doing”, that is what Sri Arjuna wanted to do originally, not fight, but that is not what He ends up doing, because He understands Sri Krsna’s desire. Sri Krsna states to Him

“Do thou fight for the sake of fighting, without considering happiness or distress, loss or gain, victory or defeat—and, by so doing, you shall never incur sin.” BG 2.38.

Then after explaining the whole ancient science that was spoken some 120 millions of years ago to the Sun God Vivisvan, Sri Krsna states BG 18.63

“Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.”

So i am not non doing, i am conscious and asking Sri Krsna to send people to hear His words, so they can be freed if they so want, from this material entanglement.This is their choice, not mine, as Krsna won’t force us to do anything, so neither can we. Passing on this information of Gitas, Kirtana, Prasadam is the small bit of compassion we still have for our conditioned Godsiblings. That is my conscious choice, and it just so happens we do the above mentioned. Practicing what we have been instructed, asking others to do the same. This is not chance, this is not happenstance, this is not dumb luck. This is what it is. That is how we met. if i was just non-doing, i wouldn’t have had a Gita that day, canvassing on behalf of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna. if i was just non doing i wouldn’t have talked to you. if i was non-doing i wouldn’t have had the Mrdunga and Gitas when Brian, i think that was his name from cranberry texas, came by. Sri Krsna states in BG 4.18

“One who sees inaction in action, and action in inaction, is intelligent among men, and he is in the transcendental position, although engaged in all sorts of activities.”

This may be the quote you are referencing but it seems you haven’t understood it fully. Sri Krsna is explaining Karma here. Action for reasons other than pleasing Him is actually action in inaction and binds one to the material world, increasing ones Karma. And Inaction in action means doing things for Him according to His requests and the requests of His Representative Srila Prabhupada,and by doing, the result is no Karma accrued. See, it’s not just one way, it’s two way. Sri Krsna explains this another way in BG 6.1

“The Blessed Lord said: One who is unattached to the fruits of his work and who works as he is obligated is in the renounced order of life, and he is the true mystic: not he who lights no fire and performs no work.”

In other words one who doesn’t have $100, even though promising such, can’t give someone else $100, that’s performing no work. that’s action in inaction. that is Karma accruement. Sri Krsna states that one who does this is not the true mystic and so therefore in this scenario, no one benefits, it’s just a waste of time, on the other hand, one who does have the money can do what they say, that’s inaction in action in this scenerio, and so doing that person is a true mystic and accrues no Karma. Meaning, we are doing it for Lord Krsna, not for are own self aggrandizement that is why no Karma is gained.

Also i always feel excitement and spiritual nourishment everyday associating with Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krsna and trying to fulfill Their requests, otherwise again, back to the Sankaracharya and Buddhist philosophies nirvesesa and sunyavadi, no emotions, no God, no anything, just void. again we say, practice what one preaches.

Also the IED is real, and is easily explained. ready, meat eating, intoxication, gambling, illicit sex, greed, this equals material life, equals worshiping kali/satan. you say “They do not have awareness of the plane of existence on which the IED exists” the only way they will now is if we tell them. it’s rather presumptuous and condescending to even make that comment, again back to putting oneself on the pedestool, lacking humility and humbleness, to say someone can’t understand and they have no awareness. our question is then, do you have awareness ? If one accepts these eternal teachings, that shows intelligence, rejecting, maybe ignorance, not telling them at all, completely rascal scalawag scumbag lowest of humankind. in the philosophy that you are promoting you shouldn’t tell them these are the pillars of sinful life, the IED example, according to comments in the beginning of our correspondence and here, because they are too stupid and we know it all but screw them. what a pompous and horrendous way to live ones life. In contrast we will tell them. we as aspiring Prabhupada followers do tell them, if they do reject or accept that is their choice, but we have been requested to tell them

Again, this whole response to your mail is due to the nirvesesa sunyavadi doctrines coming to the forefront of which we have thoroughly addressed with evidence from Guru, Srila Prabhupada, Sadhu, those who follow Revealed Scriptures and Guru, and Sastra, the words of Sri Krsna. Ultimately those who subscribe to these fruitless paths of voidism and impersonalism , try to understand God and His Kingdom by experimental knowledge a.k.a. speculation, which is what you are attempting, which amounts to the blind following the blind, not caring to really hear anyone, just half listening in passing, because they can know everything by their own limited power, and imperfect guesses, and they can force God to accept all of their immature theories of Who He Is, Where He Lives, What He Does, How He Does It, Why He Does It, Who Are His Associates, What Do They Do etc. etc. In real life, If you want to know about someone, ask them, don’t guess, because one who does so makes a fool of themself. Sri Krsna has spoken on who, what when where why and how in The Srimad Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Srimad Bhagavatam and other Sastras, and the ones who defy Him, well, this is what He says

” But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures do not attain God consciousness. For the doubting soul there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.” BG 4.40.

Also Sri Krsna states in BG 7.19

” After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare “

Talking with you, in a dialogue, as we have been, hopefully all these Absolute Truths about Lord Krsna and His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada start sinking in. you accept or not accept, it’s all on you. Spiritual Life, is not a hodgepodge flower arrangement where you take some stuff from here, some stuff from there, and make your own religion. Spiritual Life, Bhakti Yoga, is an exact science just like any other science, and we have passed you these unchangeable truths and thankfully by so doing, you can never say no one ever did. i am not attached to you understanding or not understanding, truly don’t really care either way, i am just fulfilling my duty to satisfy Krsna and Srila Prabhupada, because They want this. Hare Krsna !

jason

Jaya Prabhupada !!!