Ritvik empowerment
Gargamuni Dasa: The first ritvik was Kirtanananda. He could perform the fire sacrifice, and play the tape of Prabhupada, and chant on the beads. He was authorized. He was, Prabhupada used the word, “I empower you.” You know what it means to be empowered by God? It’s a big force to be empowered by God. By the servant of God, the Supreme Personality of Servitor Godhead. That’s stated in Nectar of Devotion, Prabhupada’s. That’s his position, the Supreme Personality of Servitor Godhead. There’s the same name is Krishna. But one is Master God, and one is servant God. So Kirtanananda was empowered to do that ceremony.
And in Europe, Revatinandana Swami was empowered to do in England, all the initiations. By 1976, there was one hundred ritviks. Every temple president was a ritvik. Even a woman, she was doing the fire sacrifice in Canada, Rajniti(?) Dasi. I don’t know where she is. You should do a tape on her. She was the first I think, woman ritvik. She was doing the tape, and the first and second initiations. So there’s a hundred ritviks by 1976, because Prabhupada couldn’t do six hundred, five, six hundred a month. It was impossible. He was travelling a lot. It was by ’76, there was a hundred temples. So how could he be present, and to do all that mailing would be very expensive and time-consuming. So that’s why he empowered devotees you see. This empowerment comes from God. It’s not a simple thing you see. A unique power to be empowered. So Prabhupada, he was empowering other people to do all these things.
https://www.srilaprabhupadalila.org/11021
FACT: the Ritvik System was already set-up—AND—- running by Srila Prabhupada. But the sinister mob the Judas types so-called disciples – WITHIN close circle of Srila Prabhupada BETRAYED him:
It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/calcutta/september/02/1970/hamsaduta
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Rāmeśvara: They say, “You cannot deprogram a Christian because Christianity is real. Therefore this is the proof that Hare Kṛṣṇa is false.”
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Rāmeśvara: That there is no record of any Christian…
Hari-śauri: We were all Christians, and we changed.
Jagadīśa: There’s a record of a Christian deprogrammed, Peter himself. Christ prophesied that “Before the cock crows you’ll deny me three times,” and he did. He was deprogrammed just by his association.
Rāmeśvara: That was Peter?
Jagadīśa: Yes. (train going again)
Hari-śauri: HIS OWN… ONE OF HIS TWELVE APOSTLES PUT HIM ON THE CROSS, JUDAS ISCARIAT. HE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL TWELVE. HE BETRAYED JESUS FOR SOME MONEY AND PUT HIM ON THE CROSS, KILLED HIM. HE KILLED HIM.
Prabhupāda: THAT’S RIGHT. THIS IS THE HISTORY OF YOUR RELIGION. YOU KILL JESUS CHRIST; YOU DEPRIVE HIM.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/jan/conversation_on_train_to_allahabad/india/january/11/1977
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Prabhupāda: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. In India also, although India’s… They will want to crush down this movement. So this will be up to Him. Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa’s movement, the same thing. And Kṛṣṇa was attempted to be killed by Kaṁsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don’t be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Kṛṣṇa’s favor is there, because Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa’s movement is not different, identical. So as Kṛṣṇa was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared… At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. So there may be attempt like that. AND LORD JESUS CHRIST WAS KILLED. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1976/may/with_siddha-svarupa/honolulu/may/03/1976
Note: these close so-called disciples(bunch of JUDAS) – they did NOT want Srila Prabhupada: they wanted to USURP HIS DIKSA GURU POSITION to be WORSHIPED as good as God, STEAL his disciples, money,property. THIS is WHY they changed his books,beat-up, drove away,manipulated any devotee who they considered a threat to their sense-gratification: AS GOOD AS GOD PLAY.
Yasodanandan Prabhu was in Vrindavan Gurukula – he was forced out, so were many others who accepted the Ritvik System set-up by Srila Prabhupada. BIG time plunder was on: pillage, murders, rapes, Gurukuli rapes,molestations etc – that we all know about.
Ritvik System curtailed these demons POWER CRAZE . They were ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa Guru position. July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order was HIDDEN from all. It was only later this came out – so they tried to MANIPULATE it.
ISKCONspiracy Envious Jayadvaita vs Srila Prabhupada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C6RUmW0YQQ
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Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/whispers.htm
http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/pada.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821#comments
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Iskcons self-appointed bogus gurus, not authorized by Srila Prabhupada
http://www.harekrsna.org/guru-photos.htm
FISKCON has had pyschopath gurus, rapist gurus, murderer gurus, paedophile gurus, homo-sex gurus, drug gurus, alcoholic gurus, thug gurus, manipulative con man gurus, embezzler gurus, book changer gurus, mad man gurus, womaniser gurus,sex-yasi gurus, sin-yasi gurus, GBC conditioned soul factory produced rubber-stamped gurus.
And—— now—— for that SPECIAL treat: FISKCON’S PROSTITUTE GURUS.
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BBTi – and the stolen Copyright Record –
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/bbti-stolen-copyrights.html
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ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
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Note: Anti Ritviks want to USE Srila Prabhupada for their sense gratification. Just like SUPERFICIALLY they will say Srila Prabhupada is very good etc etc BUT their program is to USE Srila Prabhupada as a BAIT to SCREW MONEY from others. In Temples they try and make some innocent especially educated hindus a disciple of their bogus gurus to canvass the SUPER RICH hindu Industralists for money to pocket. This is how things are. Here is some HUGE salary business that some TOP of the rung get: upto £60,000 per year— plus it is well known they—- get—– expenses, travel etc etc They have disobeyed Srila Prabhupada’s instructions on salary. Just look at this accounts:
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=49416
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47869
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
SALARIES
Financial statements for the year ended 31 December 2015
Bhaktivedanta Manor (UK)
259649 –
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS LIMITED
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/DocumentList.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=259649&SubsidiaryNumber=0&DocType=AccountList
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http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf
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Wages and Salaries: £1,658,355
Employees: 172
No employee received emoluments in excess off £60,000
Does not exactly say who or how many got paid up to £60,000.
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SALARIES
Soho St Temple – London(UK)
1132794 –
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS LONDON
Accounts for 31 Dec 2015:
received 07 Oct 2016
Annual Return for 31 Dec 2015:
received 07 Oct 2016
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1132794&SubsidiaryNumber=0
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http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends94/0001132794_AC_20151231_E_C.pdf
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Wages and Salaries: £443,967
Employees: 45
No employee received emoluments in excess off £60,000
Does not exactly say who or how many got paid up to £60,000.
Wages and salaries £443,967
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2459.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41633
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SB 8.9.28 P The Lord Incarnates as Mohini-Murti
THERE ARE MANY KARMIS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES, BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE. THE KARMIS WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION, but a devotee endeavors to use the Lord’s property for God’s service.
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Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries,
and Political Etiquette
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April 28, 1977, Bombay
Prabhupada: Niskincanasya. One who has decided that “This world is useless. I have to take birth repeatedly and accept different types of bodies and suffer.” Body means… Those who have understood this fact and disgusted, so bhakti line is for them. One who has the tendency to enjoy this material world, and they are taking advantage of God, “Give me good wife, give me good work, good meal, good enjoyment,” they are not in the bhakti line. They are in the very nascent stage.
Tamala Krsna: Nescient stage?
Prabhupada: Lower stage. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yogam. That… There is one verse written by Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. What page I don’t… Siksartham. The bhakti-yoga, nija-bhakti-yoga… Bhakti-yoga means devotion to Krsna. And that is vairagya-vidya, how to learn, renounce this world. Otherwise why Caitanya Mahaprabhu gave up His grhastha life? He’s the same person. Why Rupa Gosvami gave up their ministership? By their personal behavior they are showing this is not required. This is vairagya-vidya. So under the circumstances, those who have no vairagya, they cannot live in the temple. They are taking advantage of the temple facilities for their sense enjoyment. Do you understand?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, I do.
Prabhupada: So that should be stopped. So to live with wife, together as a grhastha, and enjoy grhastha life, at the same time to live in temple, this should be discouraged. Temple is meant for brahmacari and sannyasi, our, mainly, not for grhastha, because they have got inclination to enjoy. To live with wife means enjoyment. They’ll have sex. This should be discouraged. But one who is absolutely required, they also cannot be allowed to live together. It is badly done(?). Suppose if one is grhastha, he is in devotional service, but he has no money to look after his wife. In that case the wife can live in the temple but separately with women, not together. Together living is very disturbing. It is not at all recommended. Give this point. At least, this should not be encouraged.
Tamala Krsna: Generally in our temples, within the temple building no grhasthas live together, but in the temple compound, that is to say, around the temple, there may be other buildings. There they live together. But it’s…
Prabhupada: No, I am speaking, within the temple.
Tamala Krsna: I think practically all over the society that has been stopped, the grhastha living together with wife. I don’t think there’s any case like that. But in the adjoining buildings they might be…
Prabhupada: Adjoining buildings… But the temple should not provide them with salary to enjoy their life. That is same thing.
Tamala Krsna: Generally the temples are providing them with apartments, like that.
Prabhupada: But that is temple.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah.
Prabhupada: Just like we have got so many tenants. They are living in their own. But they have no connection with the temple, neither the temple is paying them or… No, they are earning their own way.
Tamala Krsna: In other words, if the temple provides an apartment, it’s the same as paying a salary.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: In other words, giving an apartment is the same thing as providing a salary.
Prabhupada: All right, apartment can be… But what is this? They are given high salary. Because his service is essential–“All right, you take apartment.”
Tamala Krsna: But not…
Prabhupada: YOU TAKE PRASADAM. BUT WHY SALARY? WHERE IS THE QUESTION OF SALARY? WHERE IS VAIRAGYA, RENOUNCEMENT? SO IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES THE SALARY PROCESS SHOULD BE STOPPED. ONE WHO WANTS SALARY, HE CAN WORK OUTSIDE.
Tamala Krsna: Actually, even if you don’t give a salary, if you give an apartment and you give food and you give all these other things for someone to maintain his household life…
Prabhupada: Because his service is essential.
Tamala Krsna: But that has to be determined very strictly.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Whether his service is absolutely required? So you give him.
Tamala Krsna: That is the factor. That point must be clearly acknowledged.
Prabhupada: Hm hm. So he’s trying to practice… Because sevonmukhe, if he gives service, then gradually he’ll renounce. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah. God realization means service. The more you give service to the Lord, the more you become advanced in devotional… So one who is giving service, dedicated life, so maybe… But no salary. They may live in the temple, woman separate, man separate.
Tamala Krsna: They’re… But the actual thing is that they’re being, living together in an apartment, and the temple is paying for that apartment. They’re not living separately in the temple. They’re being…
Prabhupada: That is to be discouraged. What do you think?
Giriraja: I agree.
Prabhupada: In Los Angeles it is very freely going on. In the name of Vaisnavism they are drawing salary, living comfortably, having sense enjoyment. This is not good, not at all. So you all high officers, you think over it and do the needful.
Tamala Krsna: Vairagya should be cultivated.
Prabhupada: Vairagya… Caitanya Mahaprabhu says clearly that niskincanasya bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasya. The bhagavad-bhajana, to become devotee of the Lord, means he’s disgusted with this material world. For him, bhagavad-bhajana. Just like if I become disgusted with something, I require some change, similarly, bhagavad-bhajana is for him who is absolutely disgusted with this material world. And anyone who has got little interest in material enjoyment, he’s not fit for bhagavad-bhajana. He’ll have to accept again this material body, either he becomes Brahma or becomes an ant in the stool, according to his karma. Karmana daiva-netrena jantur deha-upapattaye. He’ll have to develop certain type of body according to his desire of enjoyment. This is nature’s law. Then where is the question of going back to home, back to Godhead? Why so many varieties of life? There is Brahma, and there is ant in the stool. So vairagya-vidya-nija… Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah, janayaty asu vairagyam. And vairagyam means jnanam ca. When one is in full knowledge that “To remain in this material world is useless for me”–jnanam–“I am simply wasting my time by repetition of birth and death,” then he can have vairagya. “Stop this!” If this sense is not awakened, there is no bhakti. It is not so easy. Brahma-bhutah prasannatma na socati na kanksati. That is vairagya. So vairagya-vidya… Otherwise why big, big persons, they renounced everything? Bharata Maharaja, young man, the emperor of the whole world, gave up everything. Caitanya Mahaprabhu personally teaches, young man, good, beautiful wife, young wife, so affectionate mother, so much honor in the society, Nimai Pandita, so beautiful body… Tyaktva sudustyaja-surepsita-rajya-laksmim. Surepsita. Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s position was, even the demigods, they desired such family life. But He still gave up. That is teaching. Therefore Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya says, vairagya-vidya-nija-bhak…, siksartham: “to teach others.” He understood that in order to teach others vairagya-vidya… He is the Supreme Person. Vairagya-vidya-nija-bhakti-yoga-siksartham ekah purana-purusah: “That He was, Supreme Lord. Now He has appeared as Sri Krsna Caitanya.”Sarira-dhari: “He has accepted one body as Sri Krsna Caitanya.” So these things should be stopped, that they should live comfortably with husband and wife, children, and take salary from the… You decide. This is not to our… Besides that, in our BBT it is clearly written that “Fifty percent for printing book, and fifty percent for…” So you cannot violate this. Those who can give voluntary service, “Welcome.” Otherwise we don’t require. At least they should not be given any salary. That is very bad. This is against principle.
Tamala Krsna: I was reading the life sketch of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. He always maintained a government service job, and still…
Prabhupada: He gave so much service to Krsna. From his family maintenance… He could have renounced, but he said that the family has to be maintained. So he… Markata-vairagya. Bhaktivinoda Thakura was against giving sannyasa. He didn’t like these babajis. They were markata-vairagya, superficially… Markata-vairagya means monkey. They live naked, eat fruits, live in the jungle. That is vairagya. But three dozen wives. Markata-vairagya. Markata means monkey. Superficially vairagya, naga-baba. They eat vegetables, fruits, live in the jungle, no house, or, all, everything like vairagya. But sex. We have… I have seen in Vrndavana. They have got a party, each monkey, women’s party, and the male will come to any female, “Now ready,” “Enter.” You can see it. Markata-vairagya nahi paraloka dasaya(?).So this should not be encouraged. Then gradually it will deteriorate into…
Tamala Krsna: The Christians had that happen to them.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: The Christian religion had that deterioration. Everything deteriorated more and more into sense gratification.
Prabhupada: Because they have no valid philosophy. It is simply official. They have nothing, no knowledge, no nothing, simply that dress and cloth. That’s all.
Tamala Krsna: Just like the original… When Jesus was there and he had twelve disciples, they simply gave up everything and traveled with him and tried to preach. So they were renunciates, living simply whatever they could take, nothing more, and devoting their lives to God. But the followers later on, more and more they added the degree of sense gratification, till now you can’t see any renunciation at all within their order.
Prabhupada: No, they are drinking. They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.
Giriraja: Actually their leader…
Prabhupada: And they are concluding that they cannot stop committing sins and Jesus Christ will take account for them. Therefore it is very good religion, that “We can do whatever nonsense we like, and if we keep our faith in Jesus Christ, then we are saved.” Papa-buddhih, namno balad papa-buddhih. Great offenders. So what news?
Giriraja: Well, the reason I came up is I’m going to try to phone Mr. Rajda now.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Giriraja: Going to try to phone Mr. Rajda. And considering that the Prime Minister may not have that much time… We had discussed that he should come here to meet you, but suppose if we fix up, say, a minimum time if he can’t come here, say at least a half hour undisturbed, something like that, is it possible to fix in the city or we should just insist that…
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: He’s suggesting that if the Prime Minister can’t give that much time, whether you would go to see him? Actually, if you give the idea that Prabhupada wants to see him in the morning hours…
Giriraja: Yeah, I’m going to.
Tamala Krsna: I mean, if he says that that’s not possible…
Prabhupada: That is not respectful.
Giriraja: No.
Tamala Krsna: Not at all respectful.
Prabhupada: Then he does not know how to honor a saintly person. It is useless to meet him. If he has no respect for saintly person, if he thinks greater than saintly person, then he’s useless.
Tamala Krsna: Then nothing will come of it, anyway. And if we give this opportunity, that he come in the morning, if he…
Prabhupada: No, no, apart from that, if he has got that sense, that “I am very big man, so everyone should come here,” he’s useless. We cannot do anything with him.
Giriraja: That’s what I thought.
Prabhupada: Very beginning is…
Giriraja: On the wrong foot.
Tamala Krsna: No, he has to come to see you, Srila Prabhupada. Oh, there’s so many examples in the sastra of great personalities.
Prabhupada: Even Caitanya Mahaprabhu refused to see, what to speak of going there.
Giriraja: I agree with you.
Prabhupada: Even big, big kings, Akbar, Mansingh, they used to, used to come to Rupa Gosvami.
Giriraja: No, I agree with you completely.
Prabhupada: Did… He demanded like that?
Giriraja: No. When I spoke to Mr. Rajda I said that the Prime Minister should come here, and Mr. Rajda agreed. But just now, when I… I just spoke to Gopala. I was on my way to make the call. So he said that I should just ask you about this.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Giriraja: I was just going to phone, and I mentioned to Gopala Krsna Prabhu that I was going to make this call. So I said that, you know, the Prime Minister was going to be coming here, so he… And I said that I also, in the call I wanted to make that very clear so there was no mistake. And he said that, well, he might be too busy to come here and that he…
Prabhupada: Gopala said.
Giriraja: Yeah. So I thought it would be better just to…
Prabhupada: No, there is no question of.
Giriraja: Yeah. No, I agree completely. I mean, you’re millions and billions of times greater than anyone, so there’s no question…
Prabhupada: No, apart from that, if one has no proper respect for a saintly person, he’s useless man. You cannot have any benefit. Or neither he can derive any benefit.
Giriraja: Yeah.
Tamala Krsna: From all sides.
Giriraja: Because he’ll think he has nothing to learn, that he is already in the best position.
Prabhupada: And we don’t require any from, anything from them, but for the whole human society’s welfare we can suggest him, “Do like this.” That is our… But we don’t require anything from them.
Giriraja: I know that. This is your…
Prabhupada: Of course, sometimes we are in difficulty. We ask them something.
Tamala Krsna: But that’s their duty, anyway. Ksatriyas should provide protection for the saintly person.
Giriraja: Anyway, our real protector is Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Giriraja: He has… Because we’ve seen so many difficulties. Nobody could see any solution, but…
Prabhupada: That one Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s devotee was ordered to be hanged.
Giriraja: I didn’t know that.
Prabhupada: Gopinatha Pattanayaka.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah.
Prabhupada: All the devotees approached Caitanya Mahaprabhu, thinking that “He must… The king will excuse him.” He never agreed. “Oh, I cannot do that. If he has done something wrong, then let him…” Of course, he was saved and protected by Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s good wish, but He never agreed. These are some of the examples that… Simply depend on Krsna. But if they are actually respectful, we can ask them. There is… But if it is difficult job… Visayinam sandarsanam atha yosit… We cannot keep so strictly, but these are the principles taught by Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Giriraja: So that principle about living together and salary…
Prabhupada: That is…
Giriraja: That is meant to apply everywhere in the society.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. THIS IS EXPLOITATION OF THE SOCIETY.
Giriraja: I know. Since I’ve been preaching more, I’ve been able to see how much labor and endeavor is going in just to maintain so many idle people. I know you’ve been saying this for a long time, and now, you know, I feel the strength to actually change that, that only those who are really sincere workers can stay.
Prabhupada: Otherwise no need. WE NEED THEIR SERVICE, BUT NOT BY BEING SALARIED. THAT IS NOT GOOD. (end)
JSD 6.5 Slaughterhouse Civilization
Srila Prabhupada: NO, THEY ARE NOT BRAHMANAS. THOSE WHO GIVE EDUCATION IN EXCHANGE FOR MONEY–THEY ARE NOT BRAHMANAS. For instance, we are lecturing, educating people. We don’t say, “Give us a salary.” We simply ask them, “Please come.” That is why we are cooking food and holding so many free festivals. “We’ll give you food. We’ll give you a comfortable seat. Please come and hear about self-realization and God consciousness.” We are not asking money–“First of all pay the fee; then you can come and learn Bhagavad-gita.” We never say that. But these so-called teachers who first of all bargain for a salary–“What salary will you give me?”–that is a dog’s concern. That is not a brahmana’s concern. A brahmana will never ask about a salary. A brahmana is eager to see that people are educated. “Take free education and be educated; be a human being”–this is a brahmana’s concern: You see? I came here not to ask for any money but to give instruction.
75-01-12. Letter: Kirtiraja
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated Dec. 31, 1974 and have noted the contents. Any householder devotee who is working full-time (with his wife) as a sankirtana book distributer, of temple managerial duties, artist, cook, etc. shall be provided food, shelter, and other bare minimum necessities by the temple itself. They should not cook their own meals separate from the temple meals. If they have children, then some minimal allowance may be given according to the number of children. If they want anything extra or over and above what the temple president sees as absolute necessity, then they should work outside–the temple cannot pay for anything beyond the bare necessities. AND DEFINITELY, THE BBT CANNOT PAY ANY SALARY TO ANYBODY. OUR PHILOSOPHY IS “SIMPLE LIVING AND HIGH THINKING”–NOT SENSE GRATIFICATION. THE TEMPLE PRESIDENTS AND LEADERS (ELDER STUDENTS) MUST SHOW THIS BY EXAMPLE. TEMPLE OR ASRAMA MEANS FOR RENUNCIATION AND RENOUNCED PERSONS. IF ONE IS ENGAGED IN SELF-REALIZATION PROCESS, THEN HIS MATERIAL NECESSITIES BECOME ALMOST NIL. PERSONS WHO DO NOT LIKE THIS CAN WORK OUTSIDE.
75-07-16.Par Letter: Paramahamsa:
Regarding the restaurant, WHY THEY SHOULD GET SALARY? THERE SHOULD BE NO SALARY. YOU ARE WORKING WITHOUT SALARY, SO WHY THEY SHOULD TAKE. THEY ARE NOT VERY IMPORTANT MEN. SO AFTER THIS MONTH ARRANGE FOR NO ONE TO GET ANY SALARY THERE. That will be nice.
Gargamuni prabhu: “By 1976, there was one hundred ritviks. Every temple president was a ritvik.”
As Melbourne TP, I also have original signed letters from Srila Prabhupada, authorizing the formalities of initiations to be performed on his behalf.
Also Sridhar Maharaj embraced the on-going Rtvik system, established by Srila Prabhupada:
See…28th April 2009 by Prabhupada News
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=3746
Yfs, Balaram das.
Balaram das : Also Sridhar Maharaj embraced the on-going Rtvik system, established by Srila Prabhupada:
See…28th April 2009 by Prabhupada News
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=3746
Mahesh: Sridhar Maharaja was NOT a Diksa Guru but a CONDITIONED soul, he was an opportunist just like ISKCON’S bogus gurus:
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Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What about the so-called gurus that take a little bit here and a little bit there?
Prabhupāda: So-called gurus, they are so-called gurus. They are not gurus. That is already explained. If one does not speak what Kṛṣṇa speaks, he is not guru. If you accept so-called guru, that is your misfortune. What can be done?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Some of them will say some things that Kṛṣṇa says, but they’ll take from other places also. What is the position of such persons?
Prabhupāda: He’s most dangerous. He’s most dangerous. He is opportunist. He’s finding out customer, something here… According to the customer he is giving something, as the customers will be pleased. So he is not guru.
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Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
BY: MAHESH RAJA
Dec 3, UK (SUN) — Please read the following letter from Srila Prabhupada to Rupanuga, April 28, 1974. My analysis follows below:
“You are right about Sridhara Maharaja’s genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, AT LEAST HE EXECUTES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broadcast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.”
My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.”
In this letter Srila Prabhupada gives a HUGE amount of information.
1) Notice how he gives Sridhara Maharaja credit – for ONLY- AT LEAST HE EXECUTES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES-so we can understand Sridhara Maharaja was NOT on prema bhakti level he was on REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES platform (Sadhana bhakti). The word AT LEAST means other Godbrothers did NOT even execute Regulative Principles.
2) Srila Prabhupada says, AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. If Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers were NOT qualified – ANY of THEIR disciples most certainly could NOT be fit to give Diksa either. Please see Diksa understanding in my article: “Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality”.
3) How can a person disobey the Guru and become Guru? Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers disobeyed THEIR Guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.
4) Srila Prabhupada further states THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI – this “MAYBE” means it is doubtful they were even on a Kanistha Adhikari platform, which requires one to be a FULLY QUALIFIED BRAHMANA. This PROVED they lacked the Brahminical quality of truthfulness. They were dishonest, they PRETENDED to give DIKSA under the false guise of being Guru.
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, February 14, 1977 in Mayapur:
Prabhupada: Kanistha-adhikari means he must be a brahmana. That is kanistha-adhikari. The spiritual life, kanistha-adhikari, means he must be a QUALIFIED brahmana. That is kanistha. What is esteemed as very high position in the material world, brahmana, that is kanistha-adhikari.
arcayam eva haraye
pujam yah sraddhayehate
na tad-bhaktesu canyesu
sa bhaktah prakrtah smrtah
The brahmana means from the material stage gradually he is elevated to the spiritual stage. AND BELOW THE BRAHMANA THERE IS NO QUESTION OF VAISNAVA.
Srila Prabhupada KNEW the mentality of some of his “disciples” FULLY well-this is why he says THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP-they all had the same ACARYA disease. As a Representative of the Supersoul, he could FULLY understand their desire was to be worshipped as ACARYA (Vyasa puja is prerogative of the Acarya ONLY). To SAVE the devotees from such offensive actions Srila Prabhupada signed — ordered and set-up — the Ritvik System on 9th July 1977, which incidentally was NEVER REVOKED by him.
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
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Note: ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet
Rocana: Mahesh does not make a distinction between the issue of the qualifications of a bona fide spiritual master, and the fact that sastra acknowledges that there also exist kanishta and madhyam gurus. He does not distinguish between the qualifications of the uttama diksa, and the range of possibility the candidate has for the sorts of guru he might choose for himself, which includes not only uttama-diksa.
Mahesh: The “range of possibility” is non-existent. By definition ONLY Mahabhagavata is Diksa guru as described in:
CC Madhya 24.330
MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA-śreṣṭho
brāhmaṇo vai gurur nṛṇām
sarveṣām eva lokānām
asau pūjyo yathā hariḥ
ahā-kula-prasūto ‘pi
sarva-yajñeṣu DĪKṢITAḤ
sahasra-śākhādhyāyī ca
na guruḥ syād avaiṣṇavaḥ
“The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class.”
The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
Yes Mahesh Raj das, I’m fully aware of Letter to Rupanuga and all those points, as I originally received it back in 1974 and still have the copy. Since then and on the instruction of Srila Prabhupada to ‘respect his Godbrothers, but don’t associate with them’, I have had no connection to GM, unlike FISKCON bureaucracy who went to the ‘higher authority’ GM.
The simple point being made was that the ‘Ritvik’ system for initiations is accepted practice in Vaisnava culture, including Ramanuja Sampradaya and others.
If I may humbly offer a small suggestion, that as there is no heavy capitalization in Srila Prabhupada’s original letter, the etiquette would be to add ‘my emphasis’ or such, if you have made those changes for special effect when quoting. Always appreciate your thoughts.
हरे कृष्ण
Yfs, Balaram das.
Balaram das: If I may humbly offer a small suggestion, that as there is no heavy capitalization in Srila Prabhupada’s original letter, the etiquette would be to add ‘my emphasis’ or such, if you have made those changes for special effect when quoting. Always appreciate your thoughts.
Mahesh: Balaram Prabhu, Hare Krsna! there are many articles over the years that I have used with capitalization – the problem was when I used to send in bold, undeline etc to emphasize points this used to be lost when it was sent over in emails – very furstrating. Not being a Computer Geek – I just concentrated on Capitals as it was/still is so much easier to get the main points across.
When one is basic – thumping keys – difficult to learn new tricks – especially—– at my age.
Balaram das:The simple point being made was that the ‘Ritvik’ system for initiations is accepted practice in Vaisnava culture, including Ramanuja Sampradaya and others.
Mahesh: yes! – that is true. But unfortunately, IS_CON’S bunch of con artists, have no appreciation for Srila Prabhupada as THE Diksa Guru and the Ritvik System he ordered:
Ritvik System – system OF MANAGEMENT
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=50768#more-50768
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Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=39834#comment-28208
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Ritvik System is Bonafide
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-09/editorials4085.htm