Govinda Dasi’s Message
on Farm Land for a Devotee Community
Dear Devotees,
Pamho and all glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Yes, the bickering is annoying and unproductive.
Bhakta Robin has the best message so far.
So far as “fear porn”, yes the govts of the world are doing a good job on that one.
However, since I joined Srila Prabhupada in January of 1967, when his Iskcon was barely born, and was with him when it was in its innocence and infancy, I can tell you many things he said that some of you may classify as “fear porn.”
In mid 1969, because one of his male disciples left (he lost faith over the so called moon landing issue) Srila Prabhupada quit talking in detail about the future. But when I was with him, from January 1967, to early 1969 (in March he lived with us in Hawaii for a month, after that he went off to circle the globe many times…..) In those early days he talked a lot in detail about the future.
Things like, “ a bear like race from the lower planetary system has come up through the caves into Russia and they are trying to make the whole world communist, atheist” (ever wonder why he was so anxious to go to Russia?), there will be no food in your cities and the pet dogs will run in packs and eat the people, your cities will be bloodbaths, people will have to flee to the hills , because of the looting and rioting and violence in your cities, get land, get self sufficient , this demoniac civilization is in its final stages, (sometimes he called it oil civilization, sometimes western civilization) it will be finished within your lifetime….and much more.
He would read the newspaper in Montreal in the summer of 68 (there was a postal strike) when we spent 3 months there with him. I was his secretary, cook, and house cleaner. I did everything from clean his bathroom every day to take dictation for perhaps 2 or 3 hours a day, type the letters and also type ChCh tapes. He said many things in those early days that I have discovered many devotees just don’t know, they have never heard.
Anyway, yes, this is it. This IS the collapse and we have to do whatever we can to protect ourselves and the other devotees. Freedom will be more and more restricted as we have already seen. Good astrologers such as Patita Pavana/ Abhaya Mudra have already predicted much of what we see happening in their last newsletter written in Oct 2019. (Go to Astrological Newsletter or Mithuna Twins on Facebook)
They also advised devotees to get out of cities to some sort of country community of like minded devotees. Nowadays, even the karmis are fleeing cities like NY and Seattle. I think we should wise up very quickly or many will be trapped in unfortunate situations.
My greatest concern is the legacy of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings. I pray they will be safe in the coming horrors that we face in the next several years. I urge devotees to quit wasting time bickering and ego-upping and start doing some things like get food provisions and try to find a way to move from the cities, esp the ones in blue states.
I am an old lady, 75 years old, with little time left. I have cared for my Mother over 11 years, and she passed away on Makara Sankranti, which is very very auspicious. Now I will inherit a large tract of farm land but I have no means or abilities to develop it for a devotee community, so I am reaching out to those devotees (sane devotees please) who have already done farm projects so they can help me or guide me. There is very little time left. Soon we will no longer be able to travel freely. These tests are quite dangerous. There is plenty of evidence they carry nano particles, and the vack seen is even worse.
So rather than bickering, why not use this forum for something productive. We don’t know how much longer we will have the opportunity to communicate like this, it could go down at any time.
So please, let us think in terms of future safety and welfare of the devotees (never mind which “faction” they are in) and try to do something productive.
Thank you for listening,
Your servant and sister, Govinda dasi
prabhupadas.govindadasi@gmail.com
Govinda das: Good astrologers such as Patita Pavana/ Abhaya Mudra have already predicted much of what we see happening in their last newsletter written in Oct 2019.
Mahesh: these are BOGUS astrologers ANTI RITVIK ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada.
On Tuesday, 16 February 2021, 01:50:34 GMT, Mahesh Raja wrote:
Narasimha das Prabhu: And they are telling us about 2032? And again generalities? I hope most of us are still alive in 11 years –but here in the real world things are changing fast.
Mahesh: correct! This is NOT astrology – all bogus MENTAL SPECULATIONS. This is about duping others to MAKE MONEY. It is a MONEY MAKING BUSINESS. “Tricks of the trade” are give people dates that are soooooo far out they will not remember ANYTHING—- and by that time who cares?????
And generalise—-so that they do not get caught-out for making any inaccurate statement.
Those who follow all this nonsense they are sooooo sentimental.
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the position of astrology in Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Astrology is a science. Kṛṣṇa consciousness has nothing to do with astrology, but it is the general custom that as soon as a child is born the astrologers come. That is the Indian system, Vedic system.
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Letter to: Sanatana
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Honolulu
10 June, 1975
75-06-10
Alexandria, Australia
My dear Sanatana dasa,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated June 6, 1975 and have noted the contents. No, you should not bother with all this nonsense. Astrology will not save you at the time of death. My Guru Maharaja was a great astrologer and astronomer, but he gave it all up. It is meant for the karmis. We have no interest in such things.
I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/ps
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/honolulu/june/10/1975/sanatana
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Letter to: Devamaya
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Bombay
9 January, 1975
75-01-09
London
My dear Devamaya devi dasi,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated Jan. 6th 1975 and have noted the contents. Thank you for your burfis. Regarding your questions, there is no special planet for the Lord in His form of Lord Jagannatha. This particular lila was performed with His brother and sister when They were on this planet. If you are attracted to worshiping this form of the Lord, then you will go to Krishna. Lord Jagannatha is Krishna. You ask about what kind of food He likes to eat most. That you cannot prepare. If you sometimes come to Jagannatha Puri, then you can see. You should not give them any clubs to hold. It is not necessary.
Regarding astrology, you should not listen to any of these so-called astrologers—strictly avoid. Don’t even see them. What is the use of seeing them? Astrology is meant for the materialist, but a spiritualist does not care for the future. Everything is dependent upon Krishna. So where is the necessity of astrology? The devotees’ principle is, let there happen anything as Krishna desires. Let me remain sincere devotee, that’s all. Pure devotee is never interested in this astrology.
So, continue nicely with your deity worship there and read my books very carefully, and without fail chant 16 rounds on your beads daily.
I hope this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/ps
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/bombay/january/09/1975/devamaya
Hare Krishna, Govinda dasi.
I appreciate your main message contained in your letter, as a farmer all my life i understand all the requirements needed to create a Farm life and the amount of hard work involved. But i am sorry to say i think your message is going onto deaf ears. Since joining Iskcon back in the 1970’s my perception on farming with devotees has been pretty much zero. And i can give so many examples of how bad it is but i wont ” bicker.”
Actually the hard bit in farming is to achieve the goal of Self -Sufficiency, something i have aimed at for many years now. I had to leave Iskcon to even be able to practice Self-Sufficiency, to purchase our own land 125 acres and look after the Cows properly, not how Iskcon pretends to look after Cows, the levels of animal husbandry in Cow Protection have to be exemplary. The latest Cow Protection report illustrates exactly how bad it is with so many Cows and Bulls going missing each year in Iskcon.
Its going to take more than an Epidemic before devotees begin to live the Good Life and Live off the Land. It seems as though this activity is below devotees. Take for example the case of Chaitanya College here in the UK back in the early 1980’s. It was about 50 acres of good farm land located in the Vale of Evesham, a well known area for outstanding fruit production etc. Chaitanya College was designed by Capability Brown and the park land was exceptional and so was the property, a lovely English Country Mansion.
But the best bit was the huge Walled gardens, a quintessential Victorian designed Walled garden exactly for achieving Self-Sufficiency. The years that the devotees were present in the Country Property they produced from the garden a few flowers. The Walled Gardens were the largest in Europe, thats how amazing they were, but no-one took advantage of this facility.
Then of course the Great Zonal Acharya no less, Bhagavan Dasa Goswami ( this is pure sarcasm) SOLD it all for a pittance because they could not see the huge potential the gardens could deliver when managed properly. I actually started the ball rolling by exchanging a handful of Oil Paintings for as much Cow manure a farmer could deliver to our doorstep. We spread it all in the walled gardens ready for the Spring to grow food. But it was too late CC was sold and nobody hardly complained. Thats was back in the early 1980’s. And everything was sold and moved at great haste.
At Bhaktivedanta Manor it was even worse because it had been donated years before CC. It was only 17 acres but nevertheless still worth working the land. Thanks to our department we became 90% self-sufficient in Flowers and the Deity worship became the most opulent in all of Iskcon. We grew vegetables and fruits but no-one was interested and we sold most of the produce to the Hindus on Sundays. Totally wasted. There were a couple of devotees who were actually into it all, but they were the exceptions.
After some more years had gone by i was fed up with the situation and it took me three years just to leave and buy a Farm with some other devotees in Wales.That project went pear shaped because my devotee partner died and his dad wanted to sell the farm. And today we have our very own small holding in the middle of nowhere in rural Wales and it is idyllic Iskcon doesn’t play any part of this project its just devotees who want to become Self-Sufficient . We work hard and the rewards are the opulence of healthy fresh food, growing food all year around, and not to have to worry about food on the table. We have it in abundance. We dont even know there is a pandemic. And we have our own Bees to pollinate, and we look after the Bees ethically with respect to their lives, its not for Honey.
By this time, 2021, devotees should have thousands of Self-Sufficient Communities around the World and be the leaders of this opulence, and have the skill set to teach others, to live a more natural simple way of life. read the 6th PURPOSE of Iskcon by Srila Prabhupada, thats what has always confused me you see. Its one of the whole PURPOSES of Iskcon existentialism. Why Iskcon exists in the first place, its a main component of our lives. Just like Hari-Nama and Books. Self-sufficiency should by now just be flowing through Iskcon as a matter of normal daily life. Why would we not grow all our own food anyways. Its a normal activity. Eating Food.
But nevertheless Govinda dasi thanks for the reminder, its a perennial activity for devotees to be reminded about what Srila Prabhupada wanted Iskcon to be;
Prabhupada: This is the next aspect of Krishna consciousness which I wish to push forward. If I am able to travel again then I shall visit the farms and make them perfect. On these farms we can demonstrate the full varnasrama system. If these farms become successful, then the whole world will be enveloped by Krishna consciousness.
All excerpted from Morning Walk. 27-28th May. 1974. Rome.
Thank you Govinda dasi.
I can tell you from personal experience that there is no time left now we are all on our own. If there were any real tough bona fide leaders left, we would have experienced their association by now. We are as prepared as we can be where we are and have faced our fate. It is time for everyone to make peace with themselves so that they may fight and possibly die honorably because it will come down to that for all of us. We are all soldiers for Krsna. Once we accept the fact that we are already dead then we can fight as a soldier is supposed to fight, with no mercy, no compassion and no remorse. All war depends on it. Leave this body standing as a free Hare Krsna disciple or follower of Srila Prabhupada rather than as a slave on our knees.
There is no trust anymore. As a result, we have failed Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya.
Hasti Gopala dasa says ;
” There is no trust anymore. As a result, we have failed Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya.”
YES, it is very TRUE that ” There is no trust any more “. That’s why there is no Leader because of NO – TRUST. It is that simple.
As a result, we, have failed Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya which is NOT true at all. WHY ? Because Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya’s VANI is still available to anyone and everyone who is Sincere and Serious to cultivate KC. in order to make ones’ life sublime.
This is known as Srila Prabhupada’s mission serving a like minded group of people who are serving each other according to ones’ ability without yarning any prathista of a Leadership Position. When somebody yarns that Leadership position s/he meets with the failure because of the subtlety of the Prathistha presence.
So, it is better to be a servant of the servant of Srila Prabhupada’s sincere and serious followers in order to help and serve others in whatever shape or form one can according to one’s ability without any desire of the Position.
Hope it meets you satisfactory.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
We are NEVER on our own so long as we continue to worship Srila Prabhupada and the mission of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Srila Prabhupada is always with us. The demons have been planning these events for many decades…..they are patient and methodical, just like Hiranyakashipu who practiced austerities for many years, meditating in the same position and covered with ant nests. His power attained by constant worship of demigods (like the WHO!). In military science, to attain victory one has to understand God’s plan, sometime biding ones’ time and keeping your head down, sometimes waiting for the right opportunity (to become revealed by The Lord) or you will be finished off very quickly!
Forget all of this despair and self loathing……Lord Krishna and Srila Prabhupada ARE ALWAYS WITH US!
We do not lack for a leader,,,,,Srila Prabhupada is the perfect leader and by following him we attain the mercy of Lord Sri Krishna. The main thing is to follow the ‘perfect leader’ Srila Prabhupada even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS PLANET DOES NOT WAT TO! We are not the controller, we are Srila Prabhupada’s instruments! Lord Sri Krishna can make all of these pathetic demons just ‘disappear in a moment’, but He wants to test our resolve. These demons ARE NOTHING to Lord Krishna, they are already dead. Sometimes in the history of our sampradaya The Lords’ mission has gone undergound sometimes for decades THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THERE IS NO LEADER or THAT THE LORDS MISSION HAS LOST IT’S POTENCY….NO! We will always expose these demonic persons who are creating Adharma.
Everything is under the control of Lord Sri Krishna…….WE WILL STRIKE WHEN THE LORD WILL’S IT!…..AND WE WILL BE PATIENT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT SOMETIMES IT IS LORD KRISHNAS PLAN TO BIDE OUR TIME AND KEEP OUR HEADS DOWN! as did the Pandavas when the had to live ‘incognito’ for many years! Lord Krishna will ‘choose the moment’ we will have to ‘recognize this’ and try to understand Lord Sri Krishna’s plan….or we will clamber out of the trenches, waving our wooden swords only to get shot down by machine-gun fire!
Yes, the point is well taken about the acquisition of land outside of the cities to practice simple living. One would have to contend with the ‘extreme weather events’ (bushfires, droughts, extreme cold, black-outs, flooding etc which are in fact all Geoengineered using chemtrails, HAARP, Microwaves, FE Waves and other DEW’s (Direct Energy Weapons) which they will use to re-zone land by first de-valuing it by fire or drought, refusing re-build permits, thus making the land easy to acquire (on mass) by the cabal.
Many devotees will have to ‘come together’ for this to be successful as a ‘few’ individuals can easily be victimised by the Government Authorities and easily pushed around by them …….There is only strength in numbers!
Sudarsana Das Vaacari says ; “…….There is only strength in numbers! ”
YES, I agree. However, as we know and understand that there is no TRUST any more amongst the devotee families and friends. That is why there is NO TRUE LEADERSHIP because of the contaminant of PRATHISTHA presents at a subtle level individually which creates all sorts of impediments in the community under any Leadership position.
The only option is Individual family to have a small land out side the city with the proper farming zone hoping that these demoniac authority may not disturb a small community. It is true that there is risk at every steps of the way described in your comment. As we know that this is a miserable place but some how sincere Krsna’s followers will be protected. I am of this opinion I share.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.