Prabhupada, Bombay, October 14, 1973: The so-called scientists, they do not know that the consciousness is eternal and it carries me to another body. “I see that this body is destroyed; therefore finish, all finished.” No. You have got practical experience. When you sleep, the body does not work but the consciousness works. You therefore dream in a different atmosphere. You get a different body and enjoy differently. Every day we have got experience. At night I forget this body, and daytime, I forget the dreaming body. So this is also dreaming, at daytime, because I forget. At night I saw that I was a king, I was ruling over somebody, or I was lecturing as a political leader, and daytime I see that I am a clerk, neither politician nor king. So I forget the night’s body, and at night I forget the day’s body.
Similarly, change of body means I forget this body. Last life, I had some body, but I cannot say what kind of body I had. Of course, there is science, astronomy and other things. They can speak, but I don’t believe it. Or even if I believe, what can I do with that? So we are changing. But the consciousness is not vinasi. Avinasi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idam tatam. So because the consciousness is not changed, it is creating another body according to consciousness.
Just like we create favorable circumstances to enjoy even in this life. Why this struggle for existence? We are trying to make a favorable condition for enjoyment. This is struggle for existence. Nobody is satisfied with the present position. Everyone is struggling hard. But he does not know that any material arrangement, according to my intelligence, will never make me happy. That we do not know. Therefore Krishna says, “You rascal, nonsense, give up this business.” Sarva-dharman parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. “You are rascal number one. You have forgotten your constitutional position. Now you give up all these engagements if you want to be happy.” Mam ekam saranam vraja. “Just be under My control.” “And what benefit I shall derive?” Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah: “I’ll give you protection.” Because you’re suffering for your sinful activities… everything is sinful activities. Everything.
Just like a gang of thieves. A gang of thieves, after plundering booties from some gentleman’s house, they came outside the village, and they were dividing. So one of the thieves is saying, “Sir, let us divide it honestly. Let us divide the booty honestly.” Now, their basic principle is dishonesty, and now they want to divide honestly. So all these rascals, politicians, they are all dishonest, and they are trying to make adjustment honestly. Honestly. What is this honesty? There cannot be honesty. Harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-gunah. Anyone who is not a devotee of the Lord, he cannot be possessing any good qualities. That is not possible. He must be dishonest if he is a not devotee of the Lord. He must be dishonest. This is the verdict of the sastras.
yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah harav abhaktasya kuto mahad-guna mano-rathenasati dhavato bahih [SB 5.18.12]
Because one who is not in the transcendental platform… [break] So this material nature is also eternal. It is not… As the Mayavadi philosopher says, “It is mithya,” jagan mithya, we don’t say. Why it is mithya? It is fact. Because Krishna says that bhumir apo ’nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca, bhinna me prakrtir astadha. Krishna says, “It is My prakrti, My energy.” If Krishna is fact, why His energy should be mithya? This is nonsense. The jagat is not mithya. We don’t say. If Krishna is truth, then this world is also truth. But the fact that Krishna is the enjoyer, we are trying to be enjoyer, that is not true. That is mithya. The jagat is not mithya, but the propensity to enjoy this world, that is mithya because we cannot be enjoyer. Krishna says,
bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram suhrdam sarva-bhutanam jnatva mam santim rcchati [Bg. 5.29]
If you want santi, peace, you must learn that bhokta, enjoyer, is Krishna.
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