Pusta Krishna: The American soldiers, they were simply taking intoxication, hunting after prostitutes and running from the enemy.
Prabhupada: And when they were attacked, they were running away. Because they are sudras. How they can fight? They are not trained up as ksatriyas. Anyone who is unemployed, let him become a soldier, but he cannot fight. That is not possible. Neither this class of men can have good brain to give direction to the society. The democracy means anyone can go to the government, and because he’s not ksatriya, his only business is how to get money so long he’s on the post.
Just like you did not like your President, Mr. Nixon. So that is the risk. If you keep the society in chaotic condition, any department, intellectual, administration, production, they’ll be all topsy turvey, and there cannot be any peace in the world. So this Vedic scheme, varnasrama, is a very important scheme. If possible it should be introduced and taken up very seriously. That is one of the items of Krishna consciousness movement, to reestablish the institution of varna and asrama. Not by birth, but by qualification. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. Guna-karma, by quality. In India, the varnasrama is there, but it is not organized because the government does not take care. The government is imitating Western way of life, “There is no need of brahmana, there is no need of ksatriya, simply sudras.” Everywhere this is the position, the sudra population, kalau sudra sambhavah. In this age everyone is a sudra. So it doesn’t matter, everyone is born sudra, but he should be trained up. Just like in our practical life we see that everyone is not born a scientist or engineer or lawyer. Everyone is born innocent, child, then he’s trained up by the guardians. Similarly, there should be a training how to become brahmana, how to become ksatriya, how to become vaisya. And the government should see that everyone, as he is trained up, he is working according to his quality and occupational duty. Then there will be complete peace and harmony. That human society is perfect.
Vipina: His question is that now the government is corrupt, so what can be immediately done?
Prabhupada: How there can be, because the democracy? You are corrupt, therefore your government is corrupt. You correct yourself, the government will be automatically corrected. If you are rascals, the government will be rascals. The government means elected. So if you are not rascal, you’ll not elect another rascal to take charge of the government affairs. But because you are rascal, you’ll send another rascal. So how can you expect good government? You do not know whom to select. And besides that, the whole population is rascal, sudra. So anyone you elect, if he’s by qualification he’s a sudra, worker, he’s not intelligent person, he’s not brahmana, he’s not ksatriya. Actually, the legislative assembly, or in your country, Senate? They should be all brahmanas. They give advice. Formerly this was the system. Although it was monarchy, even Lord Ramacandra or similar kings, they were not ruling independently— they were taking advice from learned brahmanas, sages. So the legislative assembly should be composition of intellectual brahmanas. Then the other administrators, the President or the minister, they should be ksatriyas. In this way, if social organization is made, then there will be perfect peace. If sudras are allowed to rule over, what they know? Their only aim is that so long he is in the office, “Let me collect some money,” that’s all. And that will be the latest atmosphere, dasyu-dharmabhih. Rajanyair dasyu- dharmabhih. All the government men will become thieves and rogues. Dasyu, dasyu means thieves and rogues. So as the thieves and rogues capture you on the street and ask “Whatever you have got, give, otherwise I shall kill you,” so this will be the position in the Kali-yuga. It is happening now. You cannot have any private property; everything you have to declare. Otherwise, it will be taken by force. So people will be very much embarrassed by two things: one thing is taxation, and another thing will be scarcity of food. In this way, all the people all over the world will be embarrassed, so much so that they will leave their home, hearth and home, acchinna-dara-dravina yasyanti giri-kananam. Being separated from family and property, they will take shelter in the hilly ranges or in the forest to get relief. This will be the position. Harassment, so much harassment, by nature, by government. So therefore for complete happy society, this Krishna consciousness movement is essential. All intelligent persons, they should join this movement and reform the present social, political, religious. All field of activities, they should reform. Then people will be happy. Not only happy in this life, but also next life. Unfortunately, the present education does not provide knowledge of next life. There is no such education. They are kept in darkness like cats and dogs. They do not know that there is life after death, and we get our next life according to our present activities—karmana daiva-netrena. These things are unknown. Very risky life. If I am prime minister in this life or president, and if I am going to become a dog next life, then what is the benefit of becoming prime minister or president? And nature’s law is that you get your next life according to the mentality at the time of death. So if I have acted like cats and dogs throughout whole life, naturally I shall think like cats and dogs at the time of death. Then next life is cats and dogs. So I may be worshiped here in a statue, that “Here is our beloved prime minister,” and next life, I’m barking as a dog. Then what is the benefit?
Mr. Boyd: Well, that might depend on what kind of prime minister you were.
Prabhupada: No, that is possible, I can become prime minister or any big man. But if I do not work properly, if I work like animal, then my next life is animal. There is no consideration that “Here is a prime minister, why he should become a dog?” Nature will act. If you infect some disease, you may be prime minister or you may be a common man, if you have infected that disease, you must suffer from that disease. That is nature’s law. There is no consideration that “Here is prime minister. He has infected the malaria germs. He should not suffer.” Nature’s law if not like that. Just like you say that in India there is malaria. So your daughter was not excused, that “Here is a girl coming of very respectable, good family. She should be excused.” No excuse. You have infected malaria germ, you must suffer. So similarly, karanam guna-sango ’sya sad-asad-yoni- janmasu. We are associating with different modes of material nature, and according to our association, sat, asat, good birth or low-class birth is there—either as demigods in the higher planetary system or human being in the middle planetary system or as animals, low class. There are three classes of birth. That depends on our association with the modes of material nature—goodness, passion or ignorance. So at least in the human form of life nobody should be kept in ignorance. The facility must be given. That is civilization. Every human being should have the greatest opportunity to make his life successful. That is Krishna consciousness movement. Every human being is open to accept the principles of Krishna consciousness and make his life successful. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti [Bg. 4.9]. This is our propaganda, to give everyone the facility of perfection of life. Now somebody may take or somebody may not take, but the basic principle of this Krishna consciousness movement is to offer everyone the best facility.
Full Darsana: http://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1976/jul/evening_darsana/washington/july/08/1976
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