ISKCON Leaders Vote to Stop The Distribution of Prabhupada’s Books
I do not know who all 16 members were, but amoung them were Svavas, Gopal Bhatta, Rabindra Swarup and BhaktiMarg S. We are told that Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu made a statement something to the effect that Srila Prabhupada’s books should not be distributed at colleges and universities. Apparently he felt it would be better to distribute “transitional” KC books (that he and others will or have written) as he states they would be better received by students today. It seems he feels that SP’s statements on social issues, such as women must be submissive and always dependent upon a man (a father, husband, or elder son – SP has written many times that women are not to be given independence, and has written that women are less intelligent then men, etc) offend too many of the students and are therefore a hindrance to “the” preaching mission. As politically correct as that may sound, the logic has a few large flaws. Such as how is it that Srila Prabhupad’s own preaching, in the form of his own books, has now become a hinderence to his own preaching mission???? Or, is it Rabindra Swarup’s preaching mission that is hindered??? And, when i was speaking about this to my family and mentioned how they wanted to stop distributing SP’s books so as to not offend the non-devotees, my 8 year old son, Lal Krsna, immediately said, “But, Pita Sri, they are offending Srila Prabhupad”. Yes. Even my 8 yr old son could clearly see this in a flash. They have become DEMON Crazy. Check the Vox Populi in Iskcon, oh, the non-devotee population is offended by dharma issues, offended about SP’s stand on the Gay issue, so, lets keep Prabhupad’s books on the shelves and lets write our own books and distribute them instead, after all we don’t want to hinder the preaching by putting Prabhupad’s books out there. We don’t want to offend the beligerent faithless non-devotees, no matter how utterly vile we offend our spiritual master. Offending Radharani’s pure servant, Srila Prabhupad, no big deal, but we must not offend the atheistic adharmic feminists or the gays and lesbians, etc.
Demon crazy. Rather then the head leading, giving direction and guidance, we have the head of iskcon following their ass to toilet while their own ass is excreting stool in their own faces. Current GBC management Ki-Jail. (yes, that is jai with an “L” on the end)
I was told that no one made any objection to this proposal, except Svavas, who expressed his bitter disagreement and then resigned as a member of the group.
Then, Bhakti Marg Swami went even further. Outside the meeting, but while in LA, he approached Sura of the BBT with his own solution to the women’s issues in ISKCON. He said that since so many mataji devotees are offended by certain statements in SP’s books, like being less intelligent, like SP said that women must not be given leadership positions, that women are to remain submissive and subordinate to a man, etc., BhaktiMarge Swami advocated to Sura that ALL of SP’s books should be RE-EDITED and all the OFFENDING and Controversial issues be removed in order to make them acceptable to all thso those offending Prabhu that SP’s books should be edited to remove all such controversial issues that have offended both women both inside and outside of iskcon. Sura, I am informed, also rejected the suggestion.
The thing is, of course there have been matajis who have been cruely abused, and sometimes unscrupulous ‘devotee’ men took advantage of different instructions SP gave to perpetrate their attrocities. That is true with the gurukula children as well. I mean, it was true with anyone and everyone who was mistreated by any GBC or TP who misused their authority. It is true in modern America as well. I recall reading how their was a click going on in the LA police Dept some yrs ago in which different officers would pull over young girls and start writing them up, then ask them to perform a trick on them, and they would let them go. That is abuse of authority, but, does that mean that you disband the whole police dept? No, you enforce the other laws that are already there and you properly deal with the bad elements. Same, Vedic culture and SP promotes only the protection of women. If someone misuses one part of SP’s teachings for their own andangrisement and in the process wrongly abuses someone, there are scriptural injunctions to deal with this, so we must take care of the bad elements, but we do not wholesale reject Vedic culture.
All of SP’s instructions regarding the position of the women in society are based on the Vedic Science – dharma shastra – manu samhita. Krsna Himself taught the law of dharma to the SunGod 120 million yrs ago, and it was passed down to Manu and written as the Manu Samhita. SP based those “offending” and controversial teachings on Dharma-Shastra. On Vedic Science. If we edit them out, what do we replace our social standards with? The UN charters on human rights? The US Supreme Court rulings? The Taliban’s version of Islamic Law???? The views of Gay and Lesbian groups? NOW and other feminist’s views? What will become the basis of our social principles? SP gave us HIS teachings, which are based strictly on the Vedic Science of Dharma.
Those who propose such abominable acts are possesed of hellish consciosness. They are exhibiting their long-standing faithlessness in the words and teachings of their guru, the great Founder-Acharya, Srila Prabhupad.
So, there are more and more devotees who are now seeing the reality. But, I am telling them, it is no different then 1985 when Ramesvar told me that SP’s instructions were outdated, no longer relavant, that i was to accept one of the NEW acharyas and follow them (To which i stood up shaking with anger and blasted him verbally, my fall down is that i did not tear his tongue out – Agni dev was in the room and when i stood up and began shouting at the top of my lungs, he got up and left. Ramesvar’s discples who were present, i thought would jump on me and beat me up, instead, they just sat their speachless. Ramesvar ceased the FATE project after that, and ordered me to get out of iskcon. i told him, i am not leaving, it’s time for you to leave. A year latter he was gone. But, the same disease is still going on. Nothing has changed. The same disease, lack of faith in SP’s teachings. Like when SP was on his dying bed and asked the GBC to tell ALL his disciples to come to his bed side. Instead, Ramesvar and others met and decided that the mass of devotees must NOT be allowed to hear that instruction. So, Ramesvar left india and came back to LA and told everyone that SP has asked that No One Leave, No one go to India, that SP wanted everyone to remain engaged in their services. So much lack of faith. Privately Ramesvar spoke with me about this, he was boasting how he had SAVED Prabhupad’s misison. He was saying that if everyone had heard that instruction by SP that all the book distributors would have gone. Their would have been no more money coming in to pay the mortgages. And, since no one knew just how long SP may keep hanging on, it could drain ALL of iskcon’s resources if everyone ran off to Prabhupad’s bed side. So, in his galliant effort to SAVE iskcon, he purposefuly lied to us, rather then passing on SP’s instruction that EVERYONE come to India and be by his bed side, instead, Ramesvar left Prabhupad’s bed side and came to LA and used Prabhupad’s name lying to us that SP did not want us to go. Still, Ramesvar gloated how by doing this he saved (prabhupad’s ??? ) iskcon. No, what it was is that Ramesvar feared that if all the devotees go to india and book distribution, ie the money coming into the BBT stops, and temples, like LA, cannot make their mortgage payments, then what will be left for him when SP leaves????? That was the REAL ,motive.
And, i have wondered in connection with the poison controversy,,,,, Ramesvar told me how he and other GBC were fearing that so many devotees were leaving their services, money was becoming an issue, temples were loosing their biggest money makers, i mean book distributors, they were fearing, they had no idea how long SP may hang on. If he kept hanging on for many more months, and word gets out that SP wants everyone to come,, then all the temples will be lost – there won’t be anything left over for them. So, that would have been a big motive to push along the process and make sure SP hurries up and leaves his body ASAP, and stop lingering on…. Just some thought.
ys ameyatma das
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PADA: This has been going on for quite some time now. Big scholars like Hrdayanananda, Ravindra swarupa, Jayadvaita, Bhakti marga and others have been saying that Srila Prabhupada’s book’s purports are “offending” the masses, so they need to re – write and edit all the books. Then Vaisesika, Gopal Bhatta and others join in the choir to change the books. Hrdayananada went to far as to say the originals needed his added “footnotes” on sidebars in the books to re-explain the siddhanta.
In other words, instead of blaming themselves for all the exploitation of women and humble devotees, and the mass child abuses that occured post-1977, they are blaming Krishna and Srila Prabhupada. This same group of folks fought tooth and nail to keep their homosexual and pedophile infrastructure messiah pals in power, and fought tooth and nail to keep in power marriage breaking molesters who are orchestrating beatings and murders, like Kirtanananda, in office as their messiah.
Then they have the audacity to say, all this abuse is the result of reading the books! No, this is the result of NOT reading the books. Yet this is in one sense good news. Now, no one can say they are for the GBC gurus, without also admitting they are in favor of open and public criticism of Krishna, the acharyas, and their writings. There is simply no more fence sitting allowed, you are either in favor of the open challenge to the authority of the Vedas, or you are are with us, this attack on the Vedas is bogus.
This is always going on, the false gurus write their own versions of the Vedas to mislead people. Notice that Ameyatma says that this desire to kick out Srila Prabhupada may also be further proof that he was poisoned. Yes, they desire to kick out Srila Prabhupada and that is why they kicked out all of his sincere followers right away after 1977. We have said this all along, their desire is to kick out Srila Prabhupada and his teachings and make some sort of hotch potch concocted philosophy that has no connection to Srila Prabhupada, including their idea that messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children.
At the same time, who is even buying their books at this point anyway? The distribution is down to almost nil, Bhakti Marga’s Toronto thinks they are doing a massive job by getting 3,000 books out in one month, we used to get 3,000 books out in two minutes when the un-edited books were being sold. At the same time, why is the GBC going to Christian interfaith council meetings? Because they have no credibility in the vaishava world, thats why. They are being rejected by the vaishnavas so they are trying to get some sort of rubber stamp of approval from the outsiders, but that will not save them.
Lets face it, they are going to be doomed now that people know they want to re-write the Vedas. Another wave of people will reject their authority, and they barely have a spare wave to lose. They are “skeleton crew,” as Lokanatha swami says. This is always the work of the asuras, they get their own brahmanas to edit and teach bogus versions of the Vedas, like Prahlad’s teachers, they re-write the Vedas. That means, they are chopping off the last leg of their authority, its now common knowledge they want to modify the Vedas, they think they are superior to the Vedas.
They have become to the anti-Christs of ISKCON, and the good news is, now everyone knows that. When Bhagavan was kicking out all the women and children the other leaders were cheering him on, now they say, this abuse was the fault of their guru Srila Prabhupada? Guru mara vidya, one gets knowledge from guru, then kills guru. Anyway I am glad, this is now official, they are veda vada ratas. I’m glad, and not really worried about their changing the books, they are barely printing any books anyway, they do not have the funds to re-edit and re-print all the books. And when this news gets out, they will have less supporters and less money. In sum, they are officially announcing they are kicking Srila Prabhupada out of ISKCON. I’m glad: we now know exactly where they are coming from, and so does the whole world. thanks pd
Dear Ameyatma Prabhu,
This is not true – don’t know what you’re talking – wasn’t in L.A.
This article is a misrepresention.
Your servant, Bhaktimarga Swami
Bhaktimarga Swamiji,
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
If Ameyatma Prabhu does not know what he is talking about in his article which is not TRUE as you wrote in your comments, then, please Swamiji Maharaj, what is / was the TRUTH ?
I hope sincerely that some body asks Swamiji simple question for the TRUTH, what ever he knows and his personal involvement with the issues in the article.
It is never late to hear from Swami Bhaktimarga even though his remarks are way back in January, 2010.
Hari BOL.
Thanks dear Ameyatma Prabhu
all glories to srila Prabhupada
Yes, it looks like we are back in kurukshetra and the modern
Kaurawas of iskcon doing the same to all of us,
than what the did to the Pandawas long time ago.
The changing of Srila Prabhupada’s books has been going on for decades now, but recently a few dangerous precedent had been set by the GBC when they announced their intention to annotate the parts of Srila Prabhupada’s books that they have a hard time accepting, such as Srila Prabhupada’s statements on women, gays, modern education, western culture, etc. The first qualification of spiritual life is that we surrender to the teachings of Srila Prabhupada and give up all other ideas: ar na koreho mane asa. The GBC has exposed their own lack of surrender to Srila Prabhupada by their insane idea of wanting to annotate the books of Srila Prabhupada, in effect “explaining away those parts of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings which they don’t like”.
The sad part is, many of these rascals are posing as gurus, and leading their so called disciples away from Srila Prabhupada. The only safe position is under the shade of Srila Prabhupada’s divine lotus feet, and by trying to change Srila Prabhupada’s books, they are in effect spitting at Srila Prabhupada’s lotus feet. It is the first duty of a follower of Srila Prabhupada to reject all such bogus offensive rascals. Our only desire should be to have our consciousness purified by the words emanating from the lotus mouth of Srila Prabhupada. Every word that emanated from the mouth of Srila Prabhupada is perfect, and that these rascals think they can improve on or change Srila Prabhupada’s words is proof of the stool-like condition of their brains.
Urdhvaga das (ACBSP)
Maharajah Bhaktimarga denies any intent to change Srila Prabhupada’s books. But meanwhile, managers are paid wages, illegal behind-the-scenes centralization, and exile and abuse of his own Godbrothers, are rampant like never before in Canadian GBC/NWO brainwashed Iskcon. How can we believe a word you and the oligarchy have to say, BMS ? We would like to, but you are simply not cooperating, instead running off in your own selfish concocted directions, ignoring your duties to your Godbrothers and your spiritual master.
These are excerpts from a blog titled “Centralization, by Vyapaka dasa Prabhu), Canada, at Srila Prabhupada’s IISKCON site, http://puredevoteeseva.ning.com/
The topic is of GBC asking/demanding the handing of all individual temple powers over to a central controlling body, not adequately representing Srila Prabhupada, and in disobeyance of his clear and direct instructions.
” The original document sent to the Canadian temples included a cover letter from GBC deputy Krsnadasa Kaviraja dasa and Kuladri dasa, a prominent ISKCON employee. It stated:
Bhaktimarga Maharaja has asked me to forward this e-mail to all of you. It is just to encourage all of us to adopt these bylaws ASAP. ISKCON- Brampton opened with these bylaws in place (added emphasis)….
These cover letters were accompanied with the revised bylaws and a survey. The first question on the survey is:
“Bylaws
Have you adopted the new bylaws? Please state any problems if any that may have kept you from adopting the bylaws.” “
avoid vaisnava aparadha.
Who is a real vaisnava?
The ones who think themself more clever and learned
than srila Prabhupada, by changing his good originial books,
well indeed, i have no symphaty for this little devils.
Instead i have more symphaty for little krishna our sweet lord
who has softly turnt iskcon into a dead end of a line, since there
is more symphaty in iskcon for all kind of showbootle gurus
and bookchangers, for me they are no mercy givers, but holy rollers.
I think they have lost the herritage of srila Prabhupada,
this wy every sane men goes away from there craddle,
and comes back to srila prabhupada the original iskcon guru!