Prahlad pushed off the lap of his father Hiranyakashipu
Iskcon is demonic!!!!
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From: “Daniel Balaz” <danielko.android@,,,
Date: Feb 29, 2016 10:05 PM
Subject: Iskcon is demonic!!!!
To: <angel108b@…
Hi, I want to report that i was maybe poisoned in slovakia, in ashram,abranovce / new ekacakra. i was there only few times , i saw the monks and directors are demonic , and this is what shocked me most! on launch, in the morning we get “prasadam” some sort of milky pudding / mash and once i put in my mouth i feel strange taste, all were eating and i wanted to be humble, so i eated it all! Than i was working but suddenly i feel really really bad so i lay on the ground and than i throw everything out in toilet! Than i was quit good, but when i told to everyone/to director mohana rupa/marek kusnier what happens to me, he was laughing in my face and said “you are cleaning yourself.”… Hope it was not on purpose, but i think yes,no one else didnt get sick! because he was always like that to me, in quit every way! Horror! I quited with iskcon , with all their books, “devotes” friendships, and i dont want anything in common with them all! They will all go to hell or end like ghosts forever! Whole Iskcon is demonic! Fraud bogus! Way to worst hell!
Also later one mataji from bratislava ashram syamala told me she was physicaly and wordly attacked by “devotes” and i should do something, i contacted gopalapriya (bratislava ashram )and mohana rupa/new ekacakra director and confronts them! He was like bla bla, she is bad person, she is no saint, bla bla…..again demonic behavior! I asked them later what about pedofiles gurus and poisoning still in charge as gbc, answer bla bla, they ignore it to….! Absolute demonic behavior! – Game over!
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THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS
PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER
BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION
“Whenever an ācārya comes, following the superior orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His representative, he establishes the principles of religion, as enunciated in Bhagavad-gītā. Religion means abiding by the orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Religious principles begin from the time one surrenders to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is the ācārya’s duty to spread a bona fide religious system and induce everyone to bow down before the Supreme Lord. One executes the religious principles by rendering devotional service, specifically the nine items like hearing, chanting and remembering. Unfortunately, when the ācārya disappears, rogues and nondevotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so-called svāmīs, yogīs, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on.” (SB 4.28.48: PURPORT)
A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gītā have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gītā as it is expressed in the Gītā itself and beware of self-interested people after personal aggrandizement who deviate others from the actual path. (Bg 4.42 : PURPORT)
In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. The DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. THEY ARE ALWAYS ARROGANT or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY. (Bg 16.4 Purport)
THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS. (Isopanisad 12)
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION. (more)
Warning about demoniac persons even maybe in our sampradaya
tāṅra kṛpā nahe yāre, paṇḍita nahe kene
dekhile śunileha tāṅre ‘īśvara’ nā māne
SYNONYMS: tāṅra kṛpā—His mercy; nahe—there is not; yāre—unto whom; paṇḍita—learned scholar; nahe—even though; kene—nevertheless; dekhile—even by seeing; śunileha—even by listening; tāṅre—Him; īśvara—as the Supreme Personality of Godhead; nā māne—does not accept.
TRANSLATION
“If the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not bestowed upon a person-regardless of how learned a scholar that person may be and regardless of his seeing or listening-he cannot accept Lord Caitanya as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
PURPORT: The same principles can be applied to demoniac persons, even though they be in the sampradāya of Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Without receiving the Lord’s special power, one cannot preach His glories all over the world. Even though one may celebrate himself as a learned follower of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and even though one may attempt to preach the holy name of the Lord all over the world, if he is not favored by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu he will find fault with the pure devotee and will not be able to understand how a preacher is empowered by Lord Caitanya. One must be considered bereft of the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu when he criticizes the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement now spreading all over the world or finds fault with this movement or the leader of the movement.
ISKCON is NOT demonic. ISKCON was conceived and created by Krishna’s beloved pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada, on the order of his Guru Maharaj, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. ISKCON is perfect because Prabhupada is perfect.
Yes, there are rogues and rascals who have infiltrated the scene. THEY are the culprits and not Srila Prabhupada or Srila Prabhupada’s movement. We may see some dirt in the Ganges, but we don’t criticize Mother Ganga. The Ganges is the Ganges — forever pure.
Let’s be careful not to indirectly criticize Srila Prabhupada or make him appear faulty in the public eye by suggesting that his sincere efforts to save humanity were imperfect and flawed. Call a spade a spade and put them blame where it belongs.
Anyway, that’s my view on the title of this article. Take it or leave it, as you see fit.
Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Correction. The following sentence should read: “Call a spade a spade and put the blame where it belongs.”
The nonsense reported in this article would never be condoned by Srila Prabhupada. That is not ISKCON. That is something entirely outside of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Modern day so-called ISKCON is not the ISKCON which Prabhupada envisioned and preached. Srila Prabhupada gave his blood to establish ISKCON. What we see now is an aberration or perversion of the original, but not the real thing. I think it’s important to make the distinction so that newcomers and the public don’t get the wrong impression about Srila Prabhupada. After all, Prabhupada wanted his full title as “Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness” on all his books, letterheads, etc. So Prabhupada was spiritually proud of his society and his service to Guru and Krishna. We should not let the rogues and rascals take that away from him. The real ISKCON is great because Prabhupada is great, and ISKCON rightfully belongs to His Divine Grace forever.
THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD
THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44093
pamho agtACBSP,no doubts about that prabhus all of them are very good candidate to go to the most abominable region of the hellish planets including all their kangoorus only there this dangerous game of fake disciplis and fake guru will be over,agtSP ys haribol
Hare Krsna, LW Prabhu,
I would like to accept your clean and nice opinion: “The real ISKCON is great because Prabhupada is great, and ISKCON rightfully belongs to His Divine Grace forever.”
But a following writing says:
“Iskcon Children in Vrindavan Gurukula are still being abused in 2016”
“The children in the Vrindavana Gurukula continue to suffer”
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44740#more-44740
Is that in 2016??? The ISKCON movement is demonic absolutely. The ISKCON is a dead body and Srila Prabhupada IS LIVING. Why should we stick to the material? The demons usurp the ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada’s NAME to attract new comers and public. We should try to propagate that the ISKCON is not Srila Prabhupada’s movement but Srila Prabhupada is the Diksa and Sika Guru for the next ten thousand years. Otherwise this and other ( like Paramadvaiti ) false paramparas will live forever.
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
Haribol Marica Prabhu,
You wrote: “The ISKCON is a dead body and Srila Prabhupada IS LIVING. Why should we stick to the material?”
The real ISKCON is not material. What you see happening there is not ISKCON. ISKCON is a spiritual movement — not bricks and stones — originating from Krishna’s pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada. The rascals took the buildings, yes, but they can never gain entrance into Srila Prabhupada’s true spiritual society.
To material eyes, Vrindavan looks like some old, decaying buildings with open sewage and wild hogs running around. That’s not the real Vrindavan where Krishna and the gopis have Their spiritual pastimes or transcendental lila. I don’t believe that much of what we’re seeing being enacted on the world stage and online today are actually ISKCON either.
Anyway, it’s a matter of vision. I understand where you’re coming from, and I don’t expect you or anyone else to agree with my point of view. In fact, I’ve yet to find anyone who does agree with me on this point. But I’m just saying that I personally don’t see Prabhupada’s creation as material. All the buildings and the entire institution can disappear, but the spiritual concept, the original standards which Srila Prabhupada established, the Deity worship, the original books, the philosophy, the consciousness — i.e. Prabhupada’s formula — to me, that is ISKCON, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. They have the dead body, as you say, but the spirit of the original ISKCON is still alive in the hearts of those who love what Srila Prabhupada tirelessly labored to give us all. It can manifest again in whatever way or shape Krishna so desires, but there is still hope for those believe in Prabhupada’s ISKCON.
Enough said by me on this topic. As mentioned earlier, take it or leave it, no problem. Just sharing another perspective, that’s all.
Thanks and Haribol.
Hare Krsna, LW Prabhu.
Thank you.
Yes, I agree in connection with Vrndavan. Maybe you are right in connection with ISKCON too. I do not know this.I certainly would not like to offend Srila Prabhupada or His movement.
But Jesus Christ said:
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” ( John 14:6 )
Srila Prabhupada said:
“Spiritual Master is not question of… Spiritual Master is eternal. Spiritual Master is eternal… So your question is ” without Spiritual Master”. Without Spiritual Master you cannot be at any stage of your life. You may accept this Spiritual Master or that Spiritual Master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that ” by reading Bible”, when you read Bible that means you are following the Spiritual Master represented by some priest or some clergy man in the line of Lord Jesus Christ.” (Morning Walk,2/10/68, Seattle)
Primary: a pure devotee, a representative and a pure devotee’s words.
Of course this topic is not a debate for me but I only try to understand things.
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
Hare Krishna, Marica Prabhu,
Thank you for your feedback and the nice quotes from Srila Prabhupada.
If you carefully consider the name of the society which Prabhupada established in New York City in 1966, you’ll see how transcendentally brilliant Srila Prabhupada is. He called it the International Society for Krishna CONSCIOUSNESS (capital letters mine). ISKCON is a CONSCIOUSNESS — not some buildings or property somewhere. So if you worship Krishna and accept Srila Prabhupada as His beloved pure devotee and your eternal spiritual master, then YOU are in ISKCON — you ARE ISKCON. The devotees here who follow and worship Srila Prabhupada are in the real ISKCON — I repeat, it’s a consciousness and not a cult, club or clique.
When devotees wrote to Srila Prabhupada saying that they missed Prabhupada’s personal association, he used to reply that “You are chanting Hare Krishna there, and I am chanting Hare Krishna here, so we are all packed up together on the spiritual platform.” Prabhupada’s vision and consciousness is always transcendental and not limited to time and space. If you live alone in a small room and you bow down to a photo of Srila Prabhupada and surrender to him in your heart, trying your best to follow him to “the best of your individual capacity,” as Prabhupada advised, then you are living with Srila Prabhupada. That is ISKCON. There is no need to join an organization or sign on the dotted line. It is a matter of acceptance in the heart.
Srila Prabhupada described a list of the transcendental qualities of a Vaisnava in the 14th chapter of the Teachings of Lord Caitanya, and then he concluded:
“Even if one is not situated in such a transcendental position, if he simply approves of such a transcendental life, he also becomes very dear to Krishna.”
So if you approve or accept Srila Prabhupada, then you are very to Krishna according to Prabhupada himself. One can live in the temple or institution, but if he or she does not truly accept Srila Prabhupada, then they are not actually living in ISKCON.
Anyway, this is my own personal conviction, but you certainly don’t have to agree. Srila Prabhupada said that he wanted devotees to be “independently thoughtful,” so there are always many opinions. The main thing is that we all worship and love Srila Prabhupada. The rest is simply details. “Unity in diversity.”
Haribol!
The following sentence should read:
“So if you approve or accept Srila Prabhupada, then you are very dear to Krishna according to Prabhupada himself.”
(Sorry, my eyesight is going.)
LW :To material eyes, Vrindavan looks like some old, decaying buildings with open sewage and wild hogs running around. That’s not the real Vrindavan where Krishna and the gopis have Their spiritual pastimes or transcendental lila. I don’t believe that much of what we’re seeing being enacted on the world stage and online today are actually ISKCON either.
Anyway, it’s a matter of vision. I understand where you’re coming from, and I don’t expect you or anyone else to agree with my point of view. In fact, I’ve yet to find anyone who does agree with me on this point.
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada formed ISKCON – so this was a INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY for Krsna Consciousness. Not the Mortar, bricks and stones. However, what goes NOW in Mortar, Bricks and stones which INHABITED devotees is now turned to DEMONS worship places INSULTING Srila Prabhupada the ACTUAL Diksa Guru. The DEMONS(bogus Anti Ritvik conditioned soul gurus) want their OWN worship. The REAL ISKCON the SOCIETY that ACTUALLY worship Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru, his Original books, the Ritvik System, Direction of Management is all OUTSIDE.
The DEMONS(Karmis DRESSED as devotees) and their FOLLOWERS are thinking the Deities of Krsna as STONE so they WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION. They do not think the Deities of Krsna are WITNESS of their NEFARIOUS deeds BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE:
SB 8.9.28 P The Lord Incarnates as Mohini-Murti
In Bhagavad-gita (4.11) it is said, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham: the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme judge who rewards or punishes different persons according to their surrender unto His lotus feet. Therefore it can actually be seen that although karmis and bhaktas may work in the same place, at the same time, with the same energy and with the same ambition, they achieve different results. The karmis transmigrate through different bodies in the cycle of birth and death, sometimes going upward and sometimes downward, thus suffering the results of their actions in the karma-cakra, the cycle of birth and death. The devotees, however, because of fully surrendering at the lotus feet of the Lord, are never baffled in their attempts. Although externally they work almost like the karmis, the devotees go back home, back to Godhead, and achieve success in every effort. The demons or atheists have faith in their own endeavors, but although they work very hard day and night, they cannot get any more than their destiny. The devotees, however, can surpass the reactions of karma and achieve wonderful results, even without effort. It is also said, phalena pariciyate: one’s success or defeat in any activity is understood by its result. THERE ARE MANY KARMIS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES, BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE. THE KARMIS WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION, BUT A DEVOTEE ENDEAVORS TO USE THE LORD’S PROPERTY FOR GOD’S SERVICE. THEREFORE A DEVOTEE IS ALWAYS DISTINCT FROM THE KARMIS, ALTHOUGH THE KARMIS MAY DRESS LIKE DEVOTEES.
Hare Krishna Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
You wrote: “Srila Prabhupada formed ISKCON — so this was a INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY for Krsna Consciousness. Not the Mortar, bricks and stones.”
Yes, I agree. Srila Prabhupada was very intelligent to designate ISKCON as a “Society” and not an organization or institution. It’s not called the “International Organization for Krishna Consciousness,” or the “International Institution for Krishna Consciousness.” It’s the “International SOCIETY for Krishna Consciousness” (capital letters mine). It’s a spiritual society and not something dedicated to a material aim or objective — a society dedicated to becoming and spreading Krishna Consciousness all over the world under the spiritual direction and guidance of the Founder-Acarya, Srila Prabhupada.
When we speak about establishing a Varnasrama “society,” do we think that everyone is going to live in the same building, or that all members of that society are going to be the same? The brahmanas may live in the temples, but the other varnas will have their own places and spheres of activity. Yet they will still be part of the same Varnasrama society. Being in the spiritual society of ISKCON does not mean living in a building. It’s sharing the same spiritual philosophy and practices as Srila Prabhupada gave us, but where and how we live in this world is our own choice in life.
You wrote: “However, what goes NOW in Mortar, Bricks and stones which INHABITED devotees is now turned to DEMONS worship places INSULTING Srila Prabhupada the ACTUAL Diksa Guru.”
I was simply commenting on the title of this article, “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” (The letters in ISKCON should be capitalized.) If you were a newcomer who was interested to find out about Srila Prabhupada and his accomplishments and you read this headline, “Iskcon is demonic!!!!”, what might be your initial reaction? Some people may think that Srila Prabhupada established a demonic society and therefore he is demonic. THAT’S an insult to Srila Prabhupada!
So what I’m saying is that we should be careful in how we present Srila Prabhupada in the public eye. The author could have written that the people who are now running ISKCON are … whatever he wants. But when he says that ISKCON is demonic, then he is implying that everything Srila Prabhupada struggled for is demonic or evil. That’s blasphemous, in my humble opinion.
Do you think that Srila Prabhupada literally demanded that his name and title as the Founder-Acarya of ISKCON be printed on all his books just for 11 years (from 1966-1977)? He started ISKCON. It’s HIS movement. Where did he say that we should change the following title after he leaves?
“His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,
Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness”
He certainly knew there were rascals within the society. He said so on a number of occasions, and in his letters and even books. But Prabhupada still insisted that his title be used on all the books, letterheads, his Last Will, the DOM, etc. So therefore we should not say that Prabhupada’s movement is demonic. Would Srila Prabhupada establish a demonic movement?
Srila Prabhupada’s (so-called) physical body is no more. Did Prabhupada die? Of course not. Will his instructions die? Again, of course not. Everything connected with and created by the pure devotee is sacred, including his society. If some rogues have taken over the buildings, that doesn’t mean that his spiritual movement has died.
You can agree or disagree with me, no problem. I’m not attached to convincing anyone to see from my point of view. All I’m saying is that I think it’s better to practice discernment and make sure that we present Srila Prabhupada in the right light. Prabhupada said that he is the Founder-Acarya of ISKCON. So how can we announce to the public and newcomers that his society is demonic? it doesn’t seem very wise or mature to me.
Thanks for listening.
Haribol!
Hare Krsna Mahesh & LW prabhus.
Yes agreed, our most magnaminous Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada established the International Society for Krsna CONSCIOUSNESS, not a society of ‘bricks & mortar’, hence what we see now since the finish of his manifest pastimes is simply FISKCON= Fake, False & Fraudulent, with compounding offenses committed against His Divine Grace every day.
Just like the demon Ravana foolishly thought he had captured Sitadevi, similarly those who have taken charge of the ‘bricks & mortar’ and tried to usurp Srila Prabhupada’s society will surely suffer a similar fate.
We might say the true ISKCON is still apparent amongst the genuine disciples and followers of Srila Prabhupada… keep the faith, stay strong in our association, even though most of us on this forum have never personally met and expect Lord Caitanya’s protection of true ISKCON.
Yhs always,
Balaram das.
Hare Krishna Balarama Prabhu,
Thank you for your comments. Yes, I’m sure it’s hard for many to understand why a few of us still love ISKCON — the real ISKCON. What is going on there now is not ISKCON. It’s criminal activity.
Perhaps to make it more relatable, I should say “the spirit of ISKCON” lives on in the hearts of those who were blessed by Srila Prabhupada through his original ISKCON, and also in the hearts of those who are true followers of Srila Prabhupada wherever they may be. For almost all first generation devotees, Prabhupada appeared in ISKCON. His mercy flowed through ISKCON. The books, the Deities, the kirtan, the prasadam, Rathayatra — everything — came through ISKCON. Everyone who comes to Krishna consciousness in this modern age is indebted to ISKCON in one way or another (whether they want to admit it or not), even most of the followers of Srila Prabhupada’s godbrothers.
The spirit of Prabhupada’s ISKCON has not died, and can manifest anywhere and anytime. Those guys who grabbed the buildings and money are not ISKCON. Wherever Prabhupada and Krishna are worshiped sincerely and exclusively THAT is ISKCON.
Anyway, I’m not ashamed to say that I LOVE ISKCON. The real ISKCON is a beautiful thing. Prabhupada’s name and the ISKCON name have both been unlawfully dragged through the mud again and again by phony usurpers, so I’m not going to throw any more mud onto the pile. Srila Prabhupada said that if you get cheated by a quack doctor, it doesn’t mean that all doctors are quacks. He also said, “Take the essence.” The essence of ISKCON is pure love of Krishna and Prabhupada, as you well know.
Hare Krishna. Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Actually, it is ONLY by Srila Prabhupada’s VISION that we see Bricks, Mortar, Stone transformation INTO Temples. Srila Prabhupada being a PURE devotee is ABLE to INVITE Krsna INSIDE and TURN the ordinary Bricks, Stones, Mortar to Vaikuntha. What we see NOW is the Anti Ritvik DEMONS have transformed that into MONEY SCREWING SLAVERY MAKING FACTORIES. It is ALL about CONSCIOUSNESS:
SB 4.23.5 P Maharaja Prthu’ s Going Back Home
It is also notable that according to Vedic injunction, to live in the forest is to live in the mode of complete goodness, whereas to live in the city is to live in the mode of passion, and to live in a brothel or drinking house is to live in the mode of ignorance. HOWEVER, TO LIVE IN A TEMPLE IS TO LIVE IN VAIKUNTHA, WHICH IS TRANSCENDENTAL TO ALL THE MODES OF MATERIAL NATURE. THIS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT AFFORDS ONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD, WHICH IS AS GOOD AS VAIKUNTHA. CONSEQUENTLY A KRSNA CONSCIOUS PERSON DOES NOT NEED TO GO TO THE FOREST AND ARTIFICIALLY TRY TO IMITATE MAHARAJA PRTHU OR THE GREAT SAGES AND MUNIS WHO USED TO LIVE IN THE FOREST.
SB 7.14.29 P Ideal Family Life
There are many atheists who oppose the worship of the Deity of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the temple. In this verse, however, it is authoritatively stated that any place where the Deity is worshiped is transcendental; it does not belong to the material world. It is also said that the forest is in the mode of goodness, and therefore those who want to cultivate spiritual life are advised to go to the forest (vanam gato yad dharim asrayeta). But one should not go to the forest simply to live like a monkey. Monkeys and other ferocious animals also live in the forest, but a person who goes to the forest for spiritual culture must accept the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead as shelter (vanam gato yad dharim asrayeta). One should not be satisfied simply to go to the forest; one must take shelter of the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. IN THIS AGE, THEREFORE, SINCE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GO TO THE FOREST FOR SPIRITUAL CULTURE, ONE IS RECOMMENDED TO LIVE IN THE TEMPLE COMMUNITY AS A DEVOTEE, REGULARLY WORSHIP THE DEITY, FOLLOW THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES AND THUS MAKE THE PLACE LIKE VAIKUNTHA. THE FOREST MAY BE IN GOODNESS, THE CITIES AND VILLAGES IN PASSION, AND THE BROTHELS, HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS IN IGNORANCE, BUT WHEN ONE LIVES IN THE TEMPLE COMMUNITY HE LIVES IN VAIKUNTHA. THEREFORE IT IS SAID HERE, SREYASAM PADAM: IT IS THE BEST, MOST AUSPICIOUS PLACE.
TQK 25 Unalloyed Devotion
Actually there is no other consciousness but Krsna consciousness. And that consciousness is spiritual. Thus even while in this material world, if we simply increase our Krsna consciousness we shall live in the spiritual world. IF WE LIVE IN THE TEMPLE, WE LIVE IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD BECAUSE IN THE TEMPLE THERE IS NO BUSINESS OTHER THAN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THERE ARE SO MANY ENGAGEMENTS CARRIED OUT FOR KRSNA. THOSE WHO STRICTLY FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD, NOT THE MATERIAL WORLD. WE MAY THINK WE ARE LIVING IN NEW YORK, LOS ANGELES, OR ELSEWHERE, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN VAIKUNTHA.
IT IS A QUESTION OF CONSCIOUSNESS. A BUG MAY SIT ON THE SAME SEAT WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, BUT BECAUSE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HAS DEVELOPED CONSCIOUSNESS AND THE BUG DOES NOT, THEY ARE DIFFERENT. THEY MAY BE SITTING IN THE SAME PLACE, BUT THE BUG REMAINS A BUG, AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER REMAINS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. THE POSITION IN SPACE MAY REMAIN THE SAME, JUST AS WE REMAIN IN THE MATERIAL WORLD OR THE SPIRITUAL WORLD, BUT IF OUR KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS IS STRONG, WE ARE NOT IN THE MATERIAL WORLD.
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Our problem is how to serve Krsna honestly. This is our problem. The devotees are always anxious. Here Krsna is the enjoyer, and we’re enjoyed. So our business is to see “How I am being enjoyed by Krsna, by serving Him.” This is devotion, this is Krsna consciousness. SO LONG YOU WANT TO ENJOY THIS MATERIAL WORLD, YOU ARE IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. AND AS SOON AS YOU OFFER YOURSELF TO BE ENJOYED BY KRSNA AS SERVANT, ACCORDING TO HIS ORDER YOU SERVE, THEN IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD.
SO YOU CAN BECOME IN THE MATERIAL WORLD OR SPIRITUAL WORLD, AS YOU DESIRE. AS YOU DESIRE. IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD, THIS TEMPLE IS THE SPIRITUAL WORLD. WE ARE NOT LIVING IN MELBOURNE. THIS TEMPLE IS NOT MELBOURNE. IT IS VAIKUNTHA.
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So now, according to this formula, idam hi visvam bhagavan… Then forgetfulness of Bhagavan. Forgetfulness of relationship with Bhagavan, Krsna, is materialism. The… Actually, everything is Bhagavan, but when we forget the relationship of this world and Bhagavan, Krsna, that is materialism. Just like we are offering some foodstuff to Krsna. So Krsna is eating matter? No. Krsna cannot eat matter. He is spirit. Then how we are offering the same rice and dal to Krsna which is also being cooked in the hotel? The thing is that here is the sense that “This rice or dal is given by Krsna.” There is remembrance of Krsna. Therefore it is spiritual. And there, in the hotel, they do not know Krsna. Therefore it is matter. That is the difference between matter and spirit. Actually, everything is emanation from Krsna, so there cannot be anything matter. Idam hi visvam bhagavan. But the forgetfulness… The material world is… What is this material world? The material world is everyone is forgetting Krsna. Their only business is to forget Krsna. Therefore it is material. But if Krsna consciousness is there, the mat…, no more material world.
JUST LIKE THIS TEMPLE. THIS TEMPLE IS SPIRITUAL, VAIKUNTHA. IT IS NOT LOS ANGELES. DON’T THINK LIKE THAT. IT IS VAIKUNTHA. BECAUSE HERE EVERY SECOND THE REMEMBRANCE OF KRSNA IS THERE. THEREFORE IT IS NOT LOS ANGELES. OR ANYONE WHO REMEMBERS KRSNA ALWAYS, TWENTY-FOUR HOURS, HE IS LIVING IN VAIKUNTHA. HE IS NOT IN THE KINGDOM OF MAYA. THAT IS REQUIRED. SATATAM CINTAYANTO MAM: “ALWAYS THINKING OF ME.” IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA YOU WILL FIND, SATATAM CINTAYANTO MAM. SO IF YOU KEEP THIS PRACTICE, ALWAYS THINKING OF KRSNA, THEN YOU ARE NOT IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. YOU ARE ALWAYS IN THE SPIRITUAL WORLD. FOR PRACTICAL EXAMPLE: JUST LIKE THERE ARE FOREIGN EMBASSIES IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES. SO LONG THEY ARE WITHIN THE EMBASSY, THEY ARE NOT LIVING IN THE FOREIGN COUNTRY. THAT IS THE LAW. SUPPOSE I BELONG TO SOME FOREIGN EMBASSY. SO I HAVE DONE SOMETHING CRIMINAL. SO THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CANNOT ARREST ME FROM THE EMBASSY. WHEN I COME OUT, HE CAN ARREST. SO SHIPS ALSO, WHEN THEY ARE ON THE PORT OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY, SO ON THE SHIP ALSO THE FOREIGN POLICE FORCE CANNOT ARREST ANYONE. THESE ARE THE ETIQUETTE, LAW.
SO IF IT IS POSSIBLE IN ORDINARY DEALINGS, SO WHY NOT POSSIBLE SPIRITUALLY? AND THAT’S A FACT. IF YOU KEEP ALWAYS YOURSELF IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU DO NOT BELONG TO THIS MATERIAL WORLD. THEN ACTUALLY YOU ARE PART AND PARCEL OF KRSNA, YOUR SPIRITUAL IDENTITY.
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Therefore those who are sahajiyas, they simply go to the pastimes of Lord Krsna with the gopis. Other things, “Oh, no, no. That is not Krsna’s pastimes. That is not Krsna’s pastimes.” That is, they differentiate the absolute activities of the Absolute. That is called sahajiya. The sahajiyas will never read Bhagavad-gita, will never read. (sarcastic:) Because they have been elevated to the mellows of conjugal love. Therefore they have no interest in Bhagavad-gita. They say… Or when you discuss Srimad-Bhagavatam on the philosophical point, janmady asya, they also do not attend. If you discuss on the philosophy of Upanisad and Vedanta, they’ll not attend. I have seen it. In Radha-kunda, sometime in 1934, my Guru Maharaja was living, and he was discussing Upanisad. He was discussing Upanisad regularly. AND THE BABAJIS… THERE ARE MANY BABAJIS IN RADHA-KUNDA. FIRST OF ALL, THEY CAME, THAT “BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA HAS COME, SUCH A LEARNED SCHOLAR AND THE ESTABLISHER OF GAUDIYA MATHA.” SO OUT OF CURIOSITY THEY CAME. AND WHEN THEY SAW THAT HE WAS DISCUSSING UPANISAD, GRADUALLY THEY STOPPED COMING. SO MY GURU MAHARAJA RECOMMENDED THAT “THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT LIVING IN RADHA-KUNDA. THEY ARE LIVING IN NARAKA-KUNDA.” I HAVE HEARD IT PERSONALLY.
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Prabhupada: THE BOOKS ARE THERE FOR READING. BY READING, YOU BECOME PURIFIED. (BREAK) IN 1935, OUR GURU MAHARAJA, BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA, HE WENT TO RADHA-KUNDA FOR KARTTIKA-VRATA. SO AT THAT TIME HE WAS READING UPANISADS. SO FIRST OF ALL, THESE BABAJIS THEY WERE COMING. BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI HAD COME AT RADHA-KUNDA. HE’S GIVING SOME CLASS. SO THEY USED TO COME. BUT AS SOON AS THEY SAW THAT HE WAS READING UPANISADS, THEY STOPPED COMING. THEY SAW: “THEY ARE JNANIS, THEY ARE NOT BHAKTAS.”
Tamala Krsna: What did they want to hear? Dasama-skandha?
Prabhupada: LIKE THAT. SO PRABHUPADA CONDEMNED THEM THAT “THEY ARE NOT LIVING IN RADHA-KUNDA. THEY’RE LIVING IN NARAKA-KUNDA.” I HEARD IT, “THEY’RE LIVING IN NARAKA-KUNDA.”
Just as ISKCON manifested from the pure heart of The Founder Acharya AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada in 1966 to carry the trancendental message of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. The League of Devotees also manifested from the pure heart of Acharya AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada in Jhansi in 1952 to carry the same message. Gaudiya Math (in a similar scenario to ISKCON) manifested from the pure heart of our Param-Guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada in 1922. It is my understanding that the League of Devotees only lasted for several years.
ISKCON and Gaudiya Math have deviated from the instructions of the acharyas in the same sense, but this does NOT diminish the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya as it is ETERNAL CONSTANT AND TRANCENDENTAL and not subject to any material consideration nor does this diminish the potency of the Acharyas as they are eternally available for all of us as a without any cessation or diminution. The transcendental potency of The Lord and our connection with our direct Diksa Guru and Acharya AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada cannot become interrupted by any material consideration or deviant modus operandi by bogus, mendacious “guru” pretenders in the garb of devotees ”trying to artificially make a show” of following in the footsteps of the Acharyas.
The message of the Acharyas and our relationship to The Lord is eternal and above any material impediment even though to our material vision “the road has deviated or come to a dead end!”
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna Sudarsana Prabhu,
When is your books coming out? Please save a copy for me! Always a pleasure to read your intelligent comments and writings. Yes, the current of divine mercy will continue to flow in spite of any apparent setbacks and detours.
You mentioned the Gaudiya Math and how it deviated as well. Sad but true. Rather than obsess with the Gaudiya Math’s failure, Srila Prabhupada struck out on his own and set the best example by fulfilling Srila Bhaktisiddhanta’s order in a glorious manner. He did not endlessly complain about the Gaudiya Math. So I doubt that sitting around throwing potshots at ISKCON day after day is very pleasing to Srila Prabhupada. If we don’t like what we see in ISKCON, then we should make something better. Armchair critics — and keyboard critics — are a dime a dozen. Prabhupada taught and led by example.
Anyway, you know all these things. Just a thought. Thanks for writing.
Haribol!
Sorry, another typo. Should read: “When is your book coming out?”
(“Old age creeping like a rot.”)
Dear L W Prabhu.
My sincere apologies for this late reply!
I have no books in the pipeline at the present, perhaps you may have misunderstood one of my previous comments, although I did write one in 2005 (more of a booklet really). What Srila Prabhupada has given us is timeless and transcendental so I don’t feel the need to write any book at present but rather enrich my understanding of the sastras by measuring the ‘social and political dynamic’ which is always shifting in the world environment. An example of this would be of course GMO ”foods” and how they are being used to control countries by demonic bankers, corporations and their political puppets and the threat this poses to health and sustainability which is essential for Varnashrama farming communities and sustainable agriculture.
GMO’s only came into beying in the 90’s so there are of course no comments that Srila Prabhupada has made on the subject, but he has made many comments about bankers, fiat currency, corporations, ”scientists” and politicians……ALL RASCALS! So put all these demons together and it’s a very scary picture!
It seems to be a kind of disease (especially with Americans) to want to write ”books” (and get a PHD) and other superfluous things, just so one can ”puff oneself up” and increase ones prestige even though 99% the books written by these so-called bogus ”scholars” and ”gurus” are not worth the effort it takes to ‘NAIL THEM TO THE TOILET WALL!’
I guess I will just stick to being a ”dime a dozen, armchair, keyboard critic” (ha! ha!) as there needs, I think to be a robust ongoing discussion concerning present events and what we are presented with in the future ever-changing social, religious, political and cultural landscape that surrounds us.
Keep those great comments coming! Always your most humble servant …….
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna Sudarsana Prabhu,
Thank you very much for all your comments, just received. (I’ve been tied up with my usual mundane wrangling.)
Glad to hear that I didn’t totally fry you out with my last messages. Like many of us online, I tend to go on rants every so often and then realize it after I click the “send” or “post” button. But by then it’s too late.
The problem is that we’ve ALL been disappointed and/or devastated to one degree or another by the rascal imposters, so we’re all hurting. In fact, the whole world is suffering as a result of the actions of a few rogues. Srila Prabhupada’s movement was intended to save the world, but because of the gross ignorance and selfishness of those few at the top, everything has been slowed down tremendously. What a shame for us all. So we do have to try and be a little understanding towards one another in our shared condition of pain over recent events in and around the movement. In fact, we’ve been watching the crime of the millennium unfold before our eyes, and it ain’t no fun, that’s for sure. Thankfully, there is always hope in Krishna consciousness.
What you said about semantics is quite right. ISKCON, FISKCON, whatever… but we can all agree that what’s going on now is not Srila Prabhupada’s desire, whatever we may call it. How each of us chooses to interpret what’s happening is up to us individually and by virtue of our past experiences and karma. We each have our own slant and point of view. Srila Prabhupada used to quote a Sanskrit verse which essentially says that everyone thinks that everyone is like them, or sees like them. But of course we’re all different with different experiences and backgrounds, so it’s sometime hard — if not impossible — to really understand another’s viewpoint. But we can try.
Funny enough, I remember reading a Prabhupada memory somewhere, and a devotee was asking Srila Prabhupada something. I can’t remember any details, but he said something like, “But Prabhupada, what about ISKCON” (or in ISKCON)? And Srila Prabhupada simply replied, “ISKCON, FISKCON”! Prabhupada was so practical. One time he was challenging some bogus impersonalist, and the man quoted a verse from shastra. Prabhupada interjected and said, “Don’t bring in any scripture… we’re talking common sense” (paraphrased). Who can understand the mind of the pure devotee or predict his actions?
Anyway, I hear you loud and clear about what’s going on in the greater society as well. The extent of evil present in the world today is unbelievable and unfathomable. In this connection, I recently came across the following video by a Vedic astrologer who predicts widespread chaos and world war in 2016, which I thought might be of some interest to you. I don’t know too much about astrology, so I can’t verify what she’s saying. She’s a bit weird, but perhaps some of the more learned devotees here might be able to determine if her astrological calculations have some validity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeGbB7H6_eo
With regards to your upcoming book. What I meant was that your comments were (and are) so erudite that I was complementing you by saying that I’m anticipating a book from you since you’re obviously most qualified to write one.
BTW, Srila Prabhupada used to say that PhD means “plough department.” In other words, they should just be working in the fields since they have no real intelligence.
Thanks again and Haribol,
Signed,
Just another two-bit armchair critic
P.S. Just to clarify, when Srila Prabhupada said, “ISKCON, FISKCON,” in response to the devotee’s inquiry, basically Prabhupada was instructing him that the truth supersedes the institution. That was the import of his statement which was apparent in the context of the discussion. Srila Prabhupada was not using the word, “FISKCON, in the same way as it’s used today, meaning fake or false. (If I can find that conversation again, I’ll post it here.)
Here is the Prabhupada quote I mentioned (not exactly how I remembered it). Srila Prabhupada is discussing his plans and vision for the international gurukula in Vrindavan.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That means we have to canvass vigorously to get students.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Akṣayānanda: We have to preach.
Prabhupāda: That is the problem. Keep place ready, but you have to bring students.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They’re not going to come of their own. We have to go out and get them.
Prabhupāda: They will come later on, when they will see: “Yes…”
Yaśodānandana: First we have to get the ISKCON students first.
Prabhupāda: ISKCON or FISKCON, bring students. (laughter)
Dr. Sharma: Prabhupāda, these students can come, any number you like.
Prabhupāda: So that I want. I want the number. It doesn’t matter ISKCON or FISKCON.
(Srila Prabhupada conversation, Vrindavan, June 26, 1977)
Dear LW Prabhu.
With regards to your comments, as I have replied to Balarama Prabhu, I believe the heading of this article begins with an ‘incorrect premise’ (probably to invoke strong debate) as it is made by someone who has apparently been treated in rather a shabby fashion by FISKCON.
It is not surprising that intense emotions can manifest as our sampradaya is centred around the worship of Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (who is both Radha and Krishna combined) of which such intense sensitivity and strong emotion has no parallel in the whole universe. So it is not unremarkable that we, as devotees who are attracted to the intensity of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Sri Sri Radha Krishna pastimes can reflect such intensity also in the service of the Lord expressed in our comments and opinions. So you need not to be ‘forgiven’ for that as your comments, I am sure are a valuable contribution to these discussions.
You are correct also as you say, when the impulse to hit the ‘send button’ is too spontaneous and the comments become ‘set in stone’ can only once again remind us to ‘think about it three times before speaking’! This is a big problem for me as I like to do things very quickly and then go onto something else without devoting too much time on one thing in particular.
The Sanskrit verse you mentioned (quoted by Srila Prabhupada) is I believe “Atmanam Manyate Jagat” (the first word is sometimes written ”Atmavan” or ”Atmavat”) and is one of my favorite verses as it explains a lot about ‘how’ people think. For example, a thief has NO concept of honesty, that is why he thinks that ‘everyone else is a thief’ and therefore has no remorse. A naive (but honest) person is easily swindled by the said thief because he/she is honest and believes (if naive) that everyone’s motives are as honest as theirs. These are just a couple of examples.
Thank you for the Youtube clip. I did jot down some of those dates as I also believe there will be a rocky road ahead and it may be of some use in ‘avoiding travel’ or other things of that nature. This lady seems to have some knowledge of the ‘sidereal system’ so it will be interesting to see what transpires when It all “hits the fan!”
Thank you again for your kind words and compliments but I am just a ‘fallen conditioned soul’ and most undeserving of such praise and the very real danger is If I started to believe such things I would be in real trouble!
All glories to His Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Prabhupada.
Sudarsana
Haribol Sudarsana Prabhu,
Thank you very much for your comments, all well received. And thanks too for the “atmanam manyate jagat” quote. (I wonder where it’s from.)
Right now they’re celebrating “50 Golden Years” of ISKCON, but actually there were 11 golden years (1966-’77). Srila Prabhupada’s personal presence made everything sweet and beautiful, but after he was unceremoniously pushed into the background (officially in March of 1978 at the Mayapur Gaura Purnima festival), all hell broke loose. So one devotee suggested that they should call them the “Stolen Years” instead.
As for the Vedic astrologer, I actually didn’t watch the video more than a few minutes, but I thought there might be enough information there to be of interest to you. I don’t know of any other astrologers who are discussing these topics. Obviously just from reading the news, we can see massive changes looming on the horizon. And they aren’t good ones either. So at least some of what she is saying must be true. How she interprets the data is another thing. Perhaps the upcoming astrological alignments will result in economic meltdown or collapse rather than all-out war, or maybe something else. Who knows for sure? But it’s a good idea for everyone to fasten their seatbelts and at least prepare spiritually for the coming upheavals.
In this regard, here is another video — same lady, but more comprehensive analysis of the upcoming year according to Vedic astrological calculations. Again, I haven’t watched it, but I hope you can find something there to make it worthwhile for you. If so, please don’t hesitate to share your impressions and thoughts about the main points in her presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVbhKQ8Ks6I
Meanwhile, thanks again for writing. Hope all is going well on your end.
Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
We can see things starting to unfold now with this Panama Papers scandal which has come about by a worldwide journalistic effort to expose the corruption of Corporations, Governments, wealthy individuals also Mafia and worldwide criminal organizations (which are also linked to the government and corporate sector).
People are becoming very angry at all this government rhetoric aimed at ”tightening the public purse” while these corrupt, rich, criminal Corporations plunder and pillage the world, causing wars and destruction with the aid of their well paid flunky, government stooges to get richer and richer, paying no tax, on account of these loophole, tax ”havens” which world governments ‘allow to exist’!
This is opening up a “can of worms” which is only going to intensify (this is of course Sri Krishna’s arrangement to bring things to a head and punish the evil doers) so it is vital that Krishna Consciousness is preached vigorously to present to the world the only alternative to this cheating ”demonic world culture” of ”greed and depravity”!
In the same way it’s about time for a radical change for Srila Prabhupada’s movement to purify itself from all these sleazy, leaches and parasites that have been ”sucking the blood” out of ISKCON for decades so that some real progress can manifest especially at this VERY IMPORTANT TIME WHEN THE WORLD NEEDS A REAL AND LASTING SOLUTION TO ALL IT’S WOES!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Yes, Prabhu. It’s happening. Fasten your seatbelts, grab your bead bag, chant and pray with all your heart. The time is drawing near.
A different view of the ‘Panama Papers’: http://www.tomatobubble.com/id987.html
Mike King presents many factual points in the several books that he has written, but these always have to be researched and verified as he also infers that Snowden and Assange are CIA/Mossad agents! I find that very hard to fathom! Why does Assange want to avoid extradition to the US if he is a CIA/Mossad agent? doesn’t make sense, does it?
As the age of Kali advances (or should that be ‘declines’) all of the leaders of the world and the powerful banks, and corporations grow more and more corrupt by the day what to speak of the many criminal mafia organizations they are associated with. No doubt the Rothschild NWO are trying to “stitch up” their enemies and are out to get them! but “the enemy of your enemy isn’t necessarily your friend!”
Some good points on that site though. Thank you for that!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
LW: So I doubt that sitting around throwing potshots at ISKCON day after day is very pleasing to Srila Prabhupada. If we don’t like what we see in ISKCON, then we should make something better. Armchair critics — and keyboard critics — are a dime a dozen. Prabhupada taught and led by example.
Mahesh: The BETTER is to FOLLOW Srila Prabhupada:
SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA.
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
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So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA.
Thank you very much. (end)
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
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Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making
little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULD BE ALL KICKED OUT. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BY KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEN PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. THIS SHOULD BE OUR PROGRAM. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. And so many jackals have been arrested and resigned in your… You know that? Many jackals have been obliged to resign their post in the government.
Note: Srila Prabhupada in his BOOKS exposed his Godbrothers:
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=4118#comment-31178
Thanks for the relevant quotes, Prabhu.
You wrote: “Note: Srila Prabhupada in his BOOKS exposed his Godbrothers.”
Yes, but it wasn’t his only service — or even his main service. Srila Prabhupada worked hard day and night to establish a worldwide movement with temples, deities, books and devotees. His focus was on saving the conditioned souls, and not going on and on about the faults of his godbrothers and the Gaudiya Math.
If I see someone robbing a bank, I warn others, call the police and inform them that there is a thief. But I don’t talk forever day after day about seeing the thief. I get on with my own life.
Anyway, to each his own. If someone wants to spend their lives thinking about rogues and rascals all day, that’s up to them. What am I doing to spread Krishna consciousness is the question for me.
LW:Anyway, to each his own. If someone wants to spend their lives thinking about rogues and rascals all day, that’s up to them. What am I doing to spread Krishna consciousness is the question for me.
Mahesh: LW Prabhu, it is a question of vision of what you see and what others see as IMPORTANT PRIORITY service to Srila Prabhupada. Yes – some of us also do other things BUT this service is also just as IMPORTANT – can NOT be ignored or discarded. Do we PARTICULARLY like to meditate on the Anti Ritvik goons always? No! But THIS service to expose them is NEEDED. There are many devotees that have been DRIVEN AWAY affected by the Anti Ritvik money screwing slavery making goons AND— to BRING THEM BACK to Srila Prabhupada is to EXPOSE these bogus gurus and their followers nonsense. It is called “boil the milk”:
72-05-09. Letter: Rupanuga
Yes, I have no objection if some men go from Europe to India, but now I have received reports that the 30 men which you have sent there are not being engaged properly, so don’t send any more until I hear that they are very much required and that the men already there are being properly engaged and utilized nicely. NOW I WANT THAT WE SHALL CONCENTRATE ON MAKING OUR DEVOTEES KRISHNA CONSCIOUS AND OURSELVES BECOMING KRISHNA CONSCIOUS, AND NOT BE SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH EXPANDING OURSELVES WIDELY BUT WITHOUT ANY SPIRITUAL CONTENT. JUST LIKE BOILING THE MILK, IT BECOMES THICKER AND SWEETER. NOW DO LIKE THAT, BOIL THE MILK.
72-06-22. Letter: Hamsaduta
Now we have got so many students and so many temples but I am fearful that if we expand too much in this way that we shall become weakened and gradually the whole thing will become lost. Just like milk. WE MAY THIN IT MORE AND MORE WITH WATER FOR CHEATING THE CUSTOMER, BUT IN THE END IT WILL CEASE TO BE ANY LONGER MILK. BETTER TO BOIL THE MILK NOW VERY VIGOROUSLY AND MAKE IT THICK AND SWEET, THAT IS THE BEST PROCESS. SO LET US CONCENTRATE ON TRAINING OUR DEVOTEES VERY THOROUGHLY IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS FROM OUR BOOKS, FROM TAPES, BY DISCUSSING ALWAYS, AND IN SO MANY WAYS INSTRUCT THEM IN THE RIGHT PROPOSITIONS.
Note: You CAN open new centers with new devotees BUT they WILL want to KNOW who are these other ISKCON “gurus”. You CAN distribute Srila Prabhupada’s books on streets BUT once they READ and are serious they will WANT some association. WHERE are you going to send them?
Over here in UK I have found some nice serious people and few wanted to join ISKCON. However, I had to tell them this is WHAT you are going into. I left the choice to them. None joined – they went their own ways. They still appreciate Srila Prabhupada.
Problem is If you do NOT tell them the TRUTH about Anti Ritvik goons then they hate Srila Prabhupada ALSO because their lives are so messed up with these bogus Anti Ritvik gurus. Look at the gurukulies example. There are some who want nothing to do with Krsna Consciousness now. And there are some who NOW respect Srila Prabhupada BECAUSE they CAN UNDERSTAND that it is ACTUALLY the Anti Ritvik CROOKS who manipulated them. This is AFTER READING on the internet Ritvik Issue, Srila Prabhupada poisoning Issue.
YES Prabhu- ALL of us LIKE to have nice cosy place where we can do all the things reading Krsna Book with devotees, have prasadam, only talk about Krsna etc etc. BUT—– we ALSO have a DUTY to Srila Prabhupada to put more efforts on “Boil the milk” to BRING BACK those devotees who have left Srila Prabhupada’s association. To give them some chance, some hope in life, some future that Srila Prabhupada IS the Diksa guru NOT these Anti Ritvik manipulative crooks.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
Haribol Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Thank you for your feedback.
You wrote: “Yes — some of us also do other things BUT this service is also just as IMPORTANT — can NOT be ignored or discarded.”
Agreed. I never said to ignore it, but everyone here already knows these things. We’ve been reading the details of Bhavananda sucking a taxi driver’s penis and swallowing his semen for the past 30 years. I don’t need to hear it any more. It’s there on PADA’s website and on so many other sites already. I don’t want to think about Bhavananda at the time of death.
As I said, no one has ever agreed with what I’m trying to say on this point. I already knew that. But I think it’s important to share different perspectives in Krishna consciousness. That’s called istagosthi (as you know). Since this is a virtual istagosthi, that’s why I’m sharing my view. I’m not here to criticize you or anyone else. I have zero desire to attack you or vilify you. What I’m attempting here (unsuccessfully so far) is to ask you to please consider how some of these statements look to the public and newcomers to Krishna consciousness. For example, “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” I, for one, do not agree that Prabhupada’s ISKCON is demonic.
If we follow that logic, then everyone who reads and buys Srila Prabhupada’s original books is indirectly supporting something demonic because on the front cover of every one of Prabhupada’s books it states, “Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness” (i.e. ISKCON).
As I said earlier, yes, by all means, call a spade a spade. Go after the demons. But I think we have to distinguish Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON from the demonic. The public and press should know that Prabhupada would never support what’s going on nowadays. Otherwise they’ll criticize Srila Prabhupada.
So I think, and am suggesting here, that it might be more appropriate to say that ISKCON was a great movement established after much personal struggle and hardship by a pure devotee of Krishna, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, but it’s been taken over by rogues, rascals, demons, evil forces… or whatever. Then Srila Prabhupada will not be denigrated or made to look as if he was responsible or faulty for all this nonsense going on in the name of ISKCON. That is not ISKCON. Prabhupada did the absolute best that he could under the circumstances, and he should be honored and glorified for his incredible achievements — and the true ISKCON was one of them.
You wrote: “There are many devotees that have been DRIVEN AWAY affected by the Anti Ritvik money screwing slavery making goons AND— to BRING THEM BACK to Srila Prabhupada is to EXPOSE these bogus gurus and their followers nonsense.”
Well, you might not be aware that there are many older devotees out there who are pro-ritvik, but who are actually turned off by some of the rhetoric and fighting going on amongst the various ritvik camps. The few ritvik adherents online are just a tip of the iceberg. Not everyone is in complete maya just because they left modern day ISKCON. There are many devotees who practice and preach Prabhupada’s system of initiation in their own homes and in smaller groups. They may not be well known on the internet, but they’re out there.
As I always say, Prabhu, take what you can and leave the rest. If you can gain a little different perspective which might be helpful to you in your preaching, I’m happy. But if not, please carry on. Thanks for listening.
Haribol!
LW: For example, “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” I, for one, do not agree that Prabhupada’s ISKCON is demonic.
Mahesh: That is obvious. BUT what goes under the NAME of ISKCON is demoniac. Srila Prabhupada is NOT ALLOWED as Diksa guru in ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada’s Original books are NOT ALLOWED in ISKCON only Jayadvaitas CHANGED versions allowed. Srila Prabhupada’s ORDERED 9th July 1977 Ritvik System is NOT ALLOWED. Srila Prabhupada’s Direction of Management(1970) is NOT ALLOWED. Demoniac or what?
LW: We’ve been reading the details of Bhavananda sucking a taxi driver’s penis and swallowing his semen for the past 30 years. I don’t need to hear it any more. It’s there on PADA’s website and on so many other sites already. I don’t want to think about Bhavananda at the time of death.
Mahesh: this is NOT for YOU to read and hear.THAT is YOUR mistake to think this is for YOU to read and hear. This is for the GULLIBLE devotees to wake-up. There are OTHERS who are NAIVE this is for THEM as a RUDE WAKE-UP CALL. It is to JOG their DULL brains that they should NOT be GULLIBLE and take “devotees” in ISKCON circles are ALL HOLY.
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Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge SIDE BY SIDE can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.
Hare Krishna Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
Thank you for your prompt reply. You wrote:
“LW: For example, “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” I, for one, do not agree that Prabhupada’s ISKCON is demonic.
Mahesh: That is obvious. ”
It may be obvious to you, Prabhu, but someone coming to this website for the first time who reads this article entitled, “Iskcon is demonic!!!!,” may not think like you. That was my initial point all along.
Modern day usurpers are giving ISKCON a bad name, and now we read on a ritvik website dedicated to Srila Prabhupada that ISKCON is demonic. So ISKCON is getting attacked by both sides.
It reminds me of the story Srila Prabhupada used to tell about the two brothers who were massaging their father’s back. They started fighting each other and throwing punches at one other, but then they started hitting the father too. So the father was hurt by their fighting as well. He was hit from both sides, and ultimately the father was the loser. That’s the example that Srila Prabhupada warned us about. So who is losing by all this ISKCON bashing in the end?
You wrote: “Demoniac or what?”
Yes, all those things listed are deviations, agreed. But my simple point remains — that is not ISKCON. Please re-read the title of this article. Why is ISKCON being blamed for what some nonsense people are doing? You may understand the difference that “what goes under the NAME of ISKCON is demoniac,” but why was this article not published under the title, “What Goes Under the Name of ISKCON is Demonic” then? Why does no one seem to be concerned about making this importnat distinction to protect Srila Prabhupada and his reputation in the eyes of the general public and the newcomers who come to this website looking for information about His Divine Grace and his teachings? And who is “Daniel Balaz,” the author of this article? Is he serious about practicing Krishna consciousness for the rest of his life, or is he going to use this as an excuse to leave Krishna consciousness? (I don’t know. I’m just asking.)
If a member of the church commits a crime or an atrocity, do we condemn all Christians, Christ’s teachings or Christ himself? If a ritvik adherent starts misleading his friends and followers by preaching that he is the new acarya and starts committing sinful activities, should we say that all ritviks or the ritvik movement are demonic? All I’m asking for is a little discrimination in how we present Krishna consciousness and Srila Prabhupada’s original society which he loved so much. Is that too much to ask? Why am I apparently the only one who seems to care that ISKCON’s name and Prabhupada’s efforts are being maligned here?
Srila Prabhupada went to great inconvenience to travel around the world 14 times to ensure that his ISKCON society would thrive and be maintained properly. He stayed in ISKCON temples (however humble), and not five star hotels in practically every city and country he visited. Why is that? Because “ISKCON is demonic”? No, because Prabhupada loved ISKCON.
You wrote: “this is NOT for YOU to read and hear.THAT is YOUR mistake to think this is for YOU to read and hear.”
Why is this my mistake when this website just posted an article entitled, “Who is Bhavananda?” I thought the article had something to do with the recent TOVP uprising in Mayapur, so I started reading it and discovered the same old sordid and obscene details about Bhavananda’s perverted sex life. I didn’t know that beforehand.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44759
You wrote: “This is for the GULLIBLE devotees to wake-up. There are OTHERS who are NAIVE this is for THEM as a RUDE WAKE-UP CALL. It is to JOG their DULL brains that they should NOT be GULLIBLE and take “devotees” in ISKCON circles are ALL HOLY.”
Srila Prabhupada gave the whole world a powerful wake-up call in the form of his uncompromising preaching of the Absolute Truth and the Holy Names of Krishna. As a first-class Vaisnava gentleman, Prabhupada didn’t have to resort to exposing such kind of intimate details about anyone. People are not so dull that they have to be shocked with obscenities in order to see the truth. If that’s what they need to be attracted to Krishna consciousness as revealed to us by Srila Prabhupada, then do we want that kind of person anyway?
For example, if you logically present Srila Prabhupada’s teachings about his ritvik instructions and how the leaders deviated, then that should be enough to convince any sane and sincere man of their validity. They don’t need to hear the lurid details of a homosexual affair to convince them. Where has Srila Prabhupada preached like that? Where in the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya have the previous acaryas resorted to this kind of low-class “preaching”? Why direct peoples’ consciousness into the gutter? Is this the way Srila Prabhupada taught us? I never heard or read this in any of Prabhupada’s books or lectures. I wonder what he would think and say about this? (I wouldn’t want to be in the same room to find out!)
Why not try and set a nice example and be decent gentleman here? What is the harm? Srila Prabhupada was very effective in his preaching without such a strategy of giving people a “rude wake-up call.” Prabhupada was never rude.
“Devotees are always merciful, humble, truthful, equal to all, faultless, magnanimous, mild and clean. They are without material possessions, and they perform welfare work for everyone. They are peaceful, surrendered to Krishna and desireless. They are indifferent to material acquisitions and are fixed in devotional service. They completely control the six bad qualities-lust, anger, greed and so forth. They eat only as much as required, and they are not inebriated. They are respectful, grave, compassionate and without false prestige. They are friendly, poetic, expert and silent.”
(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 22.78-80)
A devotee is a gentleman. He is not interested in reading or promoting pornographic stories as a “rude wake-up call.”
Thanks for listening.
LW: Why not try and set a nice example and be decent gentleman here? What is the harm? Srila Prabhupada was very effective in his preaching without such a strategy of giving people a “rude wake-up call.” Prabhupada was never rude.
“Devotees are always merciful, humble, truthful, equal to all, faultless, magnanimous, mild and clean. They are without material possessions, and they perform welfare work for everyone. They are peaceful, surrendered to Krishna and desireless. They are indifferent to material acquisitions and are fixed in devotional service. They completely control the six bad qualities-lust, anger, greed and so forth. They eat only as much as required, and they are not inebriated. They are respectful, grave, compassionate and without false prestige. They are friendly, poetic, expert and silent.”
(Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 22.78-80)
Mahesh: In ISKCON when Srila Prabhupada is given poison to KILL him, they USURP his Diksa guru position, STEAL his disciples, DENY His Ritvik Order as per July 9th 1977,take-over the properties and temples, DENY his Original books and introduce CHANGED books UNDER HIS NAME, DENY his Direction of Management (1970), Drive away devotees who accept Srila Prabhupada as the ONLY Diksa guru. This way they INSULT our GURU Srila Prabhupada THE PURE DEVOTEE sent by Lord Krsna – THEN it is NOT the time for being a “decent gentleman”. It is time for FULL EXPOSING of ALL their NEFARIOUS acts in DETAIL IN FULL VIEW OF PUBLIC:
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Similarly, anger can be controlled. We cannot stop anger altogether, but if we simply become angry with those who blaspheme the Lord or the devotees of the Lord, we control our anger in Krsna consciousness. LORD CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU BECAME ANGRY WITH THE MISCREANT BROTHERS JAGAI AND MADHAI, WHO BLASPHEMED AND STRUCK NITYANANDA PRABHU. IN HIS SIKSASTAKA LORD CAITANYA WROTE, TRNAD API SUNICENA TAROR API SAHISNUNA: “ONE SHOULD BE HUMBLER THAN THE GRASS AND MORE TOLERANT THAN THE TREE.” ONE MAY THEN ASK WHY THE LORD EXHIBITED HIS ANGER. THE POINT IS THAT ONE SHOULD BE READY TO TOLERATE ALL INSULTS TO ONE’S OWN SELF, BUT WHEN KRSNA OR HIS PURE DEVOTEE IS BLASPHEMED, A GENUINE DEVOTEE BECOMES ANGRY AND ACTS LIKE FIRE AGAINST THE OFFENDERS. Krodha, anger, cannot be stopped, but it can be applied rightly. It was in anger that Hanuman set fire to Lanka, but he is worshiped as the greatest devotee of Lord Ramacandra. This means that he utilized his anger in the right way. Arjuna serves as another example. He was not willing to fight, but Krsna incited his anger: “You must fight!” To fight without anger is not possible. Anger is controlled, however, when utilized in the service of the Lord.
761025SB.VRN Lectures
Prasannatma. Prasanta. Prakistho rupena santah. Preaching is not very, I mean to say, pleasant. They have to meet so many difficulties. Still they are peaceful, not disturbed. Prasanta. Not that… Just like Nityananda Prabhu went to preach amongst Jagai-Madhai. And Jagai-Madhai injured. “Why, You rascal, You have come here to disturb us?” And threw the piece of earthen pot, and Nityananda Prabhu was injured. Still prasanta. This is sadhu. Yes. “My dear Jagai-Madhai, you have injured Me. It doesn’t matter. Chant Hare Krsna please.” This is prasanta. He’s not disturbed: “Oh, you have injured Me. I shall go to the police.” No. Peaceful. “All right, never mind. You do not know how to behave; you have injured Me. It doesn’t matter. Please chant.” When Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu heard it, He immediately came, and He was so angry, that “I shall kill these two men immediately. Bring My cakra.” Nityananda Prabhu said, “My Lord, You have promised not to take weapon in this incarnation, so kindly be merciful upon them.” “No! They have insulted Vaisnava!” This is another example. Caitanya Mahaprabhu is teaching this humbleness: trnad api sunicena taror api sahisnuna. BUT WHEN NITYANANDA PRABHU WAS INJURED, DID HE STOP PUNISHING THEM? NO. AT THAT TIME HE BECAME FIRE: “I SHALL KILL THEM!” TRNAD API SUNICENA DOES NOT MEAN THAT IF A VAISNAVA IS INSULTED OR VISNU IS DEFAMED, YOU REMAIN SILENT, “I AM TRNAD API SUNICENA.” NO. AT THAT TIME YOU SHOULD BECOME FIRE. THAT IS THE TEACHING OF SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU. JUST LIKE HANUMANJI, HE’S VAISNAVA. BUT WHEN THERE WAS NEED FOR THE SERVICE OF LORD RAMACANDRA, HE SET FIRE IN THE LANKA. SO WHEN THERE IS VISNU-VAISNAVA-NINDA, DEFAMATION, YOU SHOULD NOT REMAIN TRNAD API SUNICENA. YOU SHOULD TAKE STEPS. THIS IS THE INSTRUCTION. ANYWAY, VAISNAVA IS NEVER ANGRY, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU TOLERATE INSULT TO VISNU AND VAISNAVA. NO.
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Prabhupada: No, let him. That you have to practice, how to use kama, krodha. That is described by Narottama dasa Thakura. Krsna-seva kamarpane. Kama means you have a strong desire to do something. That is kama. So convert it, this kama desire, for Krsna’s activities. Krsna-seva kamarpane. Krodha bhakta-dvesi-jane. AND PERSONS WHO ARE ENVIOUS OF THE DEVOTEES, YOU BECOME ANGRY UPON THEM. YOU HAVE GOT THIS QUALITY, KAMA, KRODHA, LOBHA, BUT YOU CAN UTILIZE IT. JUST LIKE HANUMAN. HE BECAME VERY ANGRY, AND HE SET FIRE IN THE LANKA. UNLESS ONE IS VERY ANGRY, HE CANNOT DO THAT. BUT THAT KRODHA WAS APPLIED TO THE DEMON. KRODHA BHAKTA-DVESI-JANE. So we can utilize kama, krodha, moha, bewilderment. When we cannot find out a bhakta, then we should be bewildered. Sunyayitam jagat sarvam. So therefore bhakti process means that everything has to be purified. Krodha, Hanuman’s krodha to set fire Lanka, it is purified krodha. But they cannot understand the krodha, how it is purified. But krodha can be purified. When it is bhakta-dvesi-jane… Those who are envious of God and His devotees, upon them you should be always angry. “No, I have become a bhakta. I cannot become…” CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU SHOWED BY HIS EXAMPLE. HE SAID, TRNAD API SUNICENA TAROR API SAHISNUNA. BUT WHEN NITYANANDA PRABHU WAS INJURED, HE BECAME SO ANGRY, HE IMMEDIATELY SAID, “BRING MY CAKRA. I SHALL KILL THE JAGAI-MADHAI.” SO AT THAT TIME HE’S NOT TRNAD API SUNICENA. THAT IS KRODHA BHAKTA-DVESI-JANE. SO WE HAVE THIS KAMA, KRODHA, MOHA, EVERYTHING, WHATEVER SENSE ACTIVITY WE HAVE GOT. WHEN THEY ARE UTILIZED FOR KRSNA, THEN IT IS PURIFIED. SARVOPADHI-VINIRMUKTAM TAT-PARATVENA. NOW THERE IS FIGHT… JUST LIKE POLITICAL FIGHT. IN THE POLITICAL FIGHT BOTH THE PARTIES, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET SUPREMACY OF THEIR OWN SENSE GRATIFICATION. BUT HERE THE FIGHT, RAMA-RAVANA…, HANUMAN’S KRODHA WAS NOT FOR HIMSELF. HE DID NOT WANT THE LANKA KINGDOM. BUT BECAUSE RAMACANDRA WANTED THAT “THIS MAN SHOULD BE PUNISHED,” HE COOPERATED: “YES.” SO THIS IS SPIRITUAL. In this way, when we purify all our activities, all our sensual activities, then it is right. Otherwise… Just like Arjuna. He purified his senses. A Vaisnava is naturally nonviolent, but in order to satisfy Krsna he fought. That is purified. So we have to purify. Our activities cannot be stopped. That is not possible.
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So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA.
Thank you very much. (end)
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
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Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making
little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULD BE ALL KICKED OUT. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BY KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEN PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. THIS SHOULD BE OUR PROGRAM. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. And so many jackals have been arrested and resigned in your… You know that? Many jackals have been obliged to resign their post in the government.
Dear LW Prabhu.
I don’t think that persons who are adults and engage in homo-sex which is consensual is the real issue here. This is not criminal activity according to most western countries even though most devotees would consider this ‘a gross fall-down’ so why does this always get brought up? Although for a sannyasi to engage in any kind of sexual activity, homosexual or heterosexual is hypocritical and an abomination.
Over the years I have met several devotees who were ‘same sex attracted’ and most followed the 4 regs like everyone else and engaged in some valuable service for Srila Prabhupada’s mission and most are well liked by others in the community. After all Srila Prabhupada awarded sannyasa and also the position of ‘officiating guru’ (but not diksa guru) to some of these persons, so that cannot be disputed.
I have actually heard of ‘same sex attracted’ devotee who have ‘never engaged in any sexual activity in their lives’ so we should not condemn such persons because how many of us can say the same? Such a person should be glorified because this temperance and self control is a most desirable thing for a devotee to make rapid advancement in spiritual life.
The issue that most people find intolerable here is child abuse, both physical and sexual which is a crime. Sexual abuse of children is NEVER CONSENSUAL as children do not have the power to consent. All sexual intercourse with children (whether boys or girls) is RAPE and is the most abominable crime and it is this that should be the focus when considering these offenders! It is those innocent children WHO HOLD THE POWER TO FORGIVE! NOT THE GBC OR STUPID BHAKTA BOZO WHO THINKS IT’S THE CHILDS KARMA! THAT IS NONSENSE! THESE PERSONS IN MOST CASES ARE CO-CONSPIRATORS! AND COMPOUND THE CRIME EVEN MORE.
Child abuse is the most abominable activity and should be followed by IMMEDIATE EXPULSION AND PROSECUTION BY THE FULL WEIGHT OF THE LAW. Often these perpetrators are ‘completely demonic and belligerent’ and cannot be forgiven. Such evil personalities can only be purified through pain (that is why they have prisons!)
Demons are very quick to “forgive” other demons because they are all heading for the same destination…………HELL!
Vaisnava Dasanudas
Sudarsana
His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur was a magistrate. It was his job to punish those rascals who perpetrated criminal acts upon innocent persons. Do you think that he would berate the victims of theft, physical assault, sexual assault, rape and torture by saying to them “It is your karma! Why are you blaming this person? he/she has more authority than you! Don’t be offensive! The accused is dismissed and is free to go!’ Complete nonsense! Absolute rubbish!
We all know the story about Bisikisena who was a bogus ”pseudo-religious pretender” who claimed to possess divinity but abused many women and cheated many people. Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur had him arrested and unceremoniously thrown in jail, cut his hair off, tried and punished him severely. This is the example! This is how to deal with those who mistreat and abuse innocent children who are very dear to The Lord.
They still have demons like Gopal Krishna, who is responsible for overseeing another reign of torture and abuse of children in Vrindavan! playing God with the lives of innocents! Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur would have had this guy horse-whipped and thrown in a jail cell, but idiots are still worshiping this piece of shit!
Enough of this nonsense, this makes me really angry!
Dear L W Prabhu.
The whole world is made up of rascals and rogues 99%+, one has to cut through the illusory energy to explain Krishna Consciousness. How can one not think about rascals and rogues, were surrounded by them and surrounded by the illusions, misinterpretations, falsities, lies, deviations, abuses and the materialistic paradigm restraints that they impose on the world to keep them always in the grip of Kali.
Politicians, media ”experts”, pseudo-scientific ”slaves” of multinational corporations, the illuminati, brainwashed ‘educators’, degenerate media ”celebrities” and television personalities, sycophants, government regulators, mundane media columnists, radio ”news shock-jocks” and a sea of ignorant, comatose, plebs and morons who are constantly fed by them.
One could be tempted to ‘join the FISKCON ‘circus parade’ with all their ‘festival paraphernalia’, pseudo-spiritual ”tours” of Vrindavan with bogus swami’s as ‘tour guides’ (cash in advance of course!), feasts and lots of ”association and friends” (just don’t tell them that their ”bogus guru” is cheating them!).
Arjuna didn’t want to fight either, that’s natural but that did not mean he should go to the forest and ”peacefully” meditate on The Supreme Lord’s Form, no. The fight to uphold dharma is the ‘meditation’ and it is because it is the DESIRE of The Supreme Lord and The Acharya and Sole Diksha Guru His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (by his own order!) that we CONTINUE WHAT HE DESIRES OF US. The success of your preaching doesn’t mean that ‘everyone is eventually going to ”agree” with you, no! that’s never going to happen, in fact it it probably the opposite! But the facts have to be told for the benefit of all, even though only a very few will take them on board!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Sudarsana Prabhu,
Thank you for your comments. It’s always a pleasure hearing from you.
I don’t disagree with any of the points you have made here. (I’d be a “damn fool” if I did!) However, I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of hearing about the nefarious activities of Bhavananda, Tamal Krishna, Kirtanananda, Harikesa, etc., over and over again. Srila Prabhupada himself mainly blasted the big demons in his preaching like the so-called scientists, Darwin and the like. Sure he exposed the deviations of his godbrothers, but he only said what he had to say to make sure we all knew it well. Otherwise Srila Prabhupada had bigger fish to fry.
ISKCON was hi-jacked, yes agreed 100%. But what is being portrayed as ISKCON nowadays is not the real deal. I think this distinction should be made in our preaching work and in our presentation of Srila Prabhupada to the public and newcomers to Krishna consciousness.
Srila Prabhupada started the first temple at 26 Second Avenue in New York, the most important city in the world at the time, as we all know. What was the name of the shop beforehand? “Matchless Gifts.” Can anyone write a better script than that? Only Krishna Himself could have written such a story. Therefore to denigrate the name ISKCON is to downgrade Srila Prabhupada’s glorious history and achievement, in my view anyway. For Srila Prabhupada, ISKCON was the hard-fought and hard-won fulfillment of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati’s divine order for him to preach in the Western world. In this connection, here are two separate memories from those who were present at the time for you to kindly consider:
1) The Lower East Side, New York. The building was humble, the membership small, yet Srila Prabhupada’s vision encompassed the whole world.
Amid the cacophony of a storefront at 26 Second Avenue in New York, Srila Prabhupada had begun teaching the science of Krishna consciousness to a motley congregation drawn from the local community. Then, in his characteristically farseeing way, he founded the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.
“We shall call our society ‘ISKCON.'” Prabhupada laughed playfully when he first coined the acronym.
He had initiated the legal work of incorporation that spring, while still living on the Bowery. But even before its legal beginning, Prabhupada had been talking about his “International Society for Krishna Consciousness,” and so it had appeared in letters to India and in The Village Voice.
A friend had suggested a title that would sound more familiar to Westerners, “International Society for God Consciousness,” but Prabhupada had insisted: “Krishna Consciousness.”
“God” was a vague term, whereas “Krishna” was exact and scientific; “God consciousness” was spiritually weaker, less personal. And if Westerners didn’t know that Krishna was God, then the International Society for Krishna Consciousness would tell them, by spreading His glories “in every town and village.”
“Krishna consciousness” was Prabhupada’s own rendering of a phrase from Srila Rupa Goswami’s Padyavali, written in the sixteenth century. Krsna-bhakti-rasa-bhavita. “to be absorbed in the mellow taste of executing devotional service to Krishna.”
2) Srila Prabhupada: “This Bhagavad-gita was first heard on the Indian plain, at Kurukshetra, but this does not mean that it was spoken only for India, or that it is Indian. No. It is for everyone. The sun first rises in the east, then goes to the west. This is not to say that the east has a monopoly of the sun. Bhagavad-gita may have arisen in the land of India, but it is not India’s monopoly. It is for the whole world.”
After the lecture, the Swami asks if there are any questions. Someone asks if it is true that he is forming an “international society,” as indicated by the sign in the window. “Yes,” the Swami says. “Of course, at present, this is our only branch, but this Society we are forming, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, is meant to teach everyone love of God by this
bhakti-yoga process. The other day, someone wanted me to call it the International Society for God
Consciousness.” He smiles and shakes his head. “But I decided no,” he says. “Krishna must be there.”
Here is a simple example of what I’ve been trying to express to the assembled devotees. We all know the following conversation from May 28th, 1977 in Vrindavan:
Satsvarupa: “Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted.”
Prabhupada: “Yes; I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.”
Tamala Krishna: “Is that called ritvik-acarya?”
Prabhupada: “Ritvik, yes.”
So we all know that Srila Prabhupada approved of both the concept and the word, “ritvik.” However, the rascals have now made “ritvik” into a dirty word, even though Prabhupada himself said, “Ritvik, yes.”
I propose that the very same rascals have made “ISKCON” into a dirty word, even though Prabhupada himself said, “We shall call our Society ISKCON.” Why is ritvik being defended here, but not ISKCON? They both spring from the heart and lips of the pure devotee. Are they both not perfect coming from the perfect spiritual master? Why the apparent prejudice?
Please don’t forget that thousands of young boys and girls all around the world sacrificed their lives and their youth trying to serve Srila Prabhupada and his beloved society, ISKCON. Do they deserve to be told that all their efforts were useless because “ISKCON is demonic”? ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada’s society for Krishna consciousness. How can that be demonic?
If we want to call the rogues who stole it “demonic,” fine. But to say that ISKCON is demonic, even though it was Srila Prabhupada’s very own baby, just doesn’t make sense. I humbly submit for your thoughtful consideration that ISKCON is a beautiful thing in its original form, and we should not let any fools discredit Srila Prabhupada’s creation, just as we shouldn’t let them get away with discrediting the word ritvik.
Srila Prabhupada advised that every devotee should be “manisinah,” or thoughtful. We’re all challenged to carefully consider the repercussions of our words and our preaching. A little discernment, discrimination and discretion are required, otherwise we may end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Thank you for hearing me out. Sorry, I’m not the best writer or communicator on the block, but I hope this makes a little sense and that you can catch my drift. Your comments are well taken and much appreciated.
Jaya Prabhupada!
Dear LW Prabhu.
Your comments are always a valuable contribution to the service of His Divine Grace.
I can well appreciate your objection to the disparaging words (such as demonic) in relation to the word ISKCON after all it is the manifestation of the selfless mercy of Srila Prabhupada and created for all our eternal benefit with all love and dedication that entails. Perhaps this is one of the reasons the word FISKCON has been coined by devotees (by Krishna Kanta Prabhu “correct me if I’m wrong”) so as not to make offence.
The gist of the article however indicates that the writer Daniel Balaz who has only just come in contact with ISKCON (or more accurately FISKCON) has been treated very badly and I think we can all share his disgust and disappointment at the shabby way he has been treated as most (if not all of us) of us have had similar experience. All I can say to Daniel is ”welcome to the club my friend it was not ISKCON but FISKCON that caused you ‘distress and disgust’ because all of us feel the same towards FISKCON!”
I can appreciate all of the vaisnavas views on this subject as they all have validity, I think it is also just a question of semantics we are all individuals so different moods and sentiments can be conveyed in a platform of love and affection for Srila Prabhupada and that which has lovingly been manifested by His Divine Grace.
Thank you Prabhu for your comments
Sudarsana
Hare Krsna, LW Prabhu:
Yes, I have got material vision. Therefore I am here in this world .
In my understanding:
There is a Transcendental World, Spiritual World. We would like to go home . ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada’s movement. It is His transcendental energy’s material form. This is transcendental energy is no here now. So the ISKCON is “dead body”.
In spite of that we are not alone:
“If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master.” Madhya 19.157.
This solution does not mean the ISKCON for me.
The victims suffered and suffer because of demons. A child ‘s karma is in germ form. Therefore the children need for protection.
At present a very important thing to expose these demons. Otherwise ISKCON remains “dead body”.
These demons and cheaters abuse devotees and such souls who want to accept Srila Prabhupada.
I RESPECT the devotees who expose the bogus gurus, cheaters and abusers.
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
Hare Krishna Marica Prabhu,
Nice to hear from you again. Thank you for your comments.
You wrote: “ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada’s movement. It is His transcendental energy’s material form.”
Srila Prabhupada, his body, his teachings, his paraphernalia and his movement are never material. They’re always spiritual or transcendental.
“A pure devotee of the Lord does not live on any planet of the material sky, nor does he feel any contact with the material elements. His so-called material body does not exist, being surcharged with the spiritual current of the Lord’s identical interest, and thus he is permanently freed from all contaminations of the sum total of the mahat-tattva.”
(S.B. 1.13.55, Purport)
“The Lord comes to this material world through the agency of His internal potency, and, similarly, when a devotee or associate of the Lord descends to this material world, he does so through the action of the spiritual energy.”
(S.B. 7.1.35, Purport)
What we see there in modern day so-called ISKCON is not Prabhupada’s movement. It’s a shadow or pale reflection. An imitation. It’s not the real thing. Don’t be fooled by what they call ISKCON. ISKCON means where Srila Prabhupada is worshiped and his instructions are followed. They are not following Prabhupada”s instructions. So that is not ISKCON.
Srila Prabhupada insisted that his name be printed as follows:
“His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,
Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness” (ISKCON)
Prabhupada wanted the two to go together. So if we drag ISKCON’s name through the mud, then we’re (inadvertently at least) dragging Srila Prabhupada’s name through the mud as well. When someone logs on to this website, “Prabhupada News,” to read news about Srila Prabhupada, they will read “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” and the sick and twisted history of Bhavananda das in lurid, gory detail. At least we should distinguish the real ISKCON from the modern day version for the benefit of the newcomers, don’t you think? Why should those rascals spoil and undo everything that Srila Prabhupada achieved?
I’m not asking you to join the imitation ISKCON. If you follow Srila Prabhupada then you’re part of Prabhupada’s transcendental family no matter where you live. If you don’t like the name ISKCON, that’s fine. But in effect you’re in Prabhupada’s movement when you honor and follow him as he desired and instructed, whatever name you call it. But they have no right to call what they’re doing as ISKCON. They’re spoiling Srila Prabhupada’s reputation and good name. They can go outside of ISKCON and start their own movement, but they should stop ruining what Prabhupada lovingly created as an offering to his beloved Guru Maharaj and Lord Caitanya.
You wrote: “I RESPECT the devotees who expose the bogus gurus, cheaters and abusers.”
Me too. All I’m saying is go after the cheaters, but don’t blame their rascaldom on Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON.
Anyway, that’s my own personal opinion, but you don’t have to agree by any means. I’m just sharing, that’s all. Thank you for listening. Hope you are well.
Hare Krsna LW Prabhu,
Yes I agree with you and I definitely felt put off by the ‘Heading’ of this post. It should have read ‘FISKCON .. False ISKCON is Demonic’ or something similar. We all know what is meant, however as you say>>
“What we see there in modern day so-called ISKCON is not Prabhupada’s movement. It’s a shadow or pale reflection. An imitation. It’s not the real thing. Don’t be fooled by what they call ISKCON. ISKCON means where Srila Prabhupada is worshiped and his instructions are followed. They are not following Prabhupada”s instructions. So that is not ISKCON.” Nothing could be truer.
As I mentioned in a previous comment, just like Ravana thought he had captured Sita, these fools think they have captured ISKCON, but that is their illusion… it is still with Prabhupada’s true disciples, but not in the ‘bricks & mortar’. Prabhupada founded a Society for Krsna CONSCIOUSNESS and that is surely ALIVE & WELL in the minds, hearts & souls of his true disciples.
You correctly state>> “When someone logs on to this website, “Prabhupada News,” to read news about Srila Prabhupada, they will read “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” and the sick and twisted history of Bhavananda das in lurid, gory detail.” It’s probably a shame the heading of the article wasn’t edited better before being posted.
Just a few thoughts from a lowly streetsweeper..
Yhs, Bal.
Yes! Balarama Prabhu.
You are making a very valid point about the ‘heading’ which actually requires further explanation to avoid any misunderstanding. The ‘heading’ is actually a false premise as you have described with your analogy of Sita who is a ‘shadow reflection’ of the real Sita in the same way as FISKCON is the false shadow reflection of the genuine ISKCON.
The FISKCON deluded souls think that from the gross matter buildings, property, bricks and mortar the more subtle aspects of spiritual energy are manifested, whereas in reality spiritual advancement is not dependent on such worldly trappings or contrivances. The truly advanced souls understand that the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna is already past, present and future the proprietor of EVERYTHING anyway, so over-endeavoring to create these massive structures is often quite counter-productive if it is not balanced with a strict adherence to Guru Tattva and complete detachment from the dangerous allurements of material opulence.
Vaisnava Dasanudas
Sudarsana
Hare Krishna Balarama Prabhu,
Thank you for your reply. Yes, ISKCON is not an organization. It’s a consciousness. That consciousness has spread all over the planet and is being lived and practiced in many places and hearts everywhere. It hasn’t died, but it’s just not overtly manifest at present. The shell that we see on the world stage is disconnected, at least for now until they come to their senses, or the next generation wakes up and takes over after the rogues die off and they put Srila Prabhupada back into the center of his movement where he so rightfully belongs. Otherwise it’s going on in the form of a grassroots revolution. After all, Krishna consciousness can never die. It just manifests at different times and in different places according to the Lord’s will. Those who are intelligent — and fortunate — grab the opportunity wherever and however it may appear.
It’s like the 1960s. People think the 60s are dead, but actually the consciousness of “peace and love” and respect to all beings and the earth is still thriving. The media wants us to believe that peace and love is an antiquated notion, but not so. Millions of people still believe in those high ideals and practice it in their own lives. They don’t need an organization to live it.
There’s an old saying that “you had to be there” (to understand it). But I believe that it’s just a matter of opening the heart, and even newcomers can get the same taste and the same mercy just like the old-timers. Why not? Krishna consciousness and Prabhupada’s mercy are eternal.
Actually, some of my friends tell me that I’m wasting my time here. Here are a couple of comments I received in connection with this discussion. These are not my comments, but it might help to see things from another perspective.
“I do not feel the ritvik leaders are properly training up the new initiates either. I ran into a couple of them. They start out nice enough, but if you point out anything they need to learn, they insist you are wrong and need to learn from them. They can get pretty nasty too. I think they are being spoon fed too much hatred, coupled with trained up to always be in the right = conceit.”
“Heck, most of them would have never made it in the ashrama when Prabhupada was actually here. Too much ego to swallow, austerities to do, service instead of fault finding, and so on.”
Anyway, I know that a lot of devotees who believe in the ritvik system as revealed by Srila Prabhupada stay away from these kind of discussions for the abovementioned reasons. But I have hope that we can all overcome the barriers that separate us and get along, as Srila Prabhupada desired and instructed. (“Unity in diversity.”)
Thanks again. Hope you are well and that everthing’s going great for you on the Gold Coast these days.
Haribol! Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Pozostaje tylko towarzystwo świętych imion.
There remains only the company of the holy names.
marica says: ” Hare Krsna, LW Prabhu:
Yes, I have got material vision. Therefore I am here in this world . …….. And he goes on saying further ;
” In spite of that we are not alone:
“If one thinks that there are many pseudo devotees or nondevotees in the Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Society, one can keep direct company with the spiritual master, and if there is any doubt, one should consult the spiritual master.” Madhya 19.157.
This solution does not mean the ISKCON for me.
He understands and looks at ISKCON as an ordinary corporation which are always subject to four defects.
Now the question is that would Srila Prabhupada have formed such Ordinary corporation known as ISKCON subject to four defects ?
If it is NO, then, where is the problem marica prabhu in your understanding ?
If it is YES, then, you are accepting Iskcon as an ordinary corporation subject to four defects. Isn’t it ?
In the Madhya 19.157 quote, all of us ( ONLY THOSE WHO ARE SERIOUS AND SINCERE FOLLOWERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA ) subscribe and serve Srila Prabhupada’s VANI world wide in Krsna Consciousness Society named as ISKCON.
Is this not TRUE ?
Let us help in your understanding Iskcon when you answer the questions.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna, Amar Puri Prabhu.
Your question:
“Now the question is that would Srila Prabhupada have formed such Ordinary corporation known as ISKCON subject to four defects ?”
My answer:
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura founded the Gaudiya Math.
The members of the self-appointed ācārya’s party occupied the property ( bricks and stones ) of the Gauḍīya Maṭha…and so on
Srila Prabhupada said: „They are asara”
In the ISKCON self-appointed ācāryas userp Srila Prabhupada’s position and occupied the property (bricks and stones ) of the ISKCON…and so on
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
marica Prabhu ;
It looks like you do not appear to understand the questions I put forth to you.
That is why you are certainly repeating the same thing with an example giving Gaudiya Math founded by HDG. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami Paramhamsa Thakur as a rebuttal which are both ( ISKCON and Gaudiya Math ) transcendental society free from any defects because the VANI in both the Society are TRANSCENDENTAL.
Do you understand and accept it ?
As you said ; ” Srila Prabhupada said: „They are asara”.
Where does Srila Prabhupada says in the above quote that the VANI is asara ?
Now that the asara of all kinds have taken over and modified the Society as it fits their motive, does that mean the Original VANI is no longer effective and efficient ?
Society means functioning under the control of the INSTRUCTIONS – VANI as founded by the Acaray.
You are absolutely misled and misunderstood. That is why you can not understand what you are writing non-sense comments.
I humbly ask you to read the comments and understand the questions well before answering using out of context Srila Prabhupada’s quote. Next time please quote reference and complete text when you use Srila Prabhupada’s VANI to rebuttal the comments.
Answer all the questions once you have understood thoroughly.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna, LW Prabhu!
Srila Prabhupada’s devotees followed His instructions and they took their children ISKCON gurukulas.That was/is ISKCON. And they suffered/suffer physically.
Srila Prabhupada’s disciples refused His order and they usurpe the ISKCON’s physically body. Yes, this the body is not the original ISKCON without Srila Prabhupada. However many devotees do not know this. But this body can wake immediately by Srila Prabhupada transcendental energy.
If you want to start a new movement then you will certainly leave the victims and the devotees at the demons. Will Srila Prabhupada accept this?
If I think this, will I drag Srila Prabhupada’s name and ISKCON’s name through the mud?
Why? Because is ISKCON demonic? MORE PRECISE: ISKCON is demonic now.
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
Hare Krsna, LW Prabhu.
You wrote this to Mahesh Raja Prabhu:
“A devotee is a gentleman. He is not interested in reading or promoting pornographic stories as a “rude wake-up call.” ”
In my opinion you should know that you wrote this sentence to such a devotee who knows Srila Prabhupada better than you.
In addition you do not understand the victims’ suffering and importance of these demonic actions. Because it is boring and pornographic for you.
Hare Krsna, Amar Puri Prabhu.
You wrote:
“You are absolutely misled and misunderstood. That is why you can not understand what you are writing non-sense comments.”
Thank you.
Hare Krsna
marica Prabhu why I said this ; ” “You are absolutely misled and misunderstood. That is why you can not understand what you are writing non-sense comments.”
It is because of your seemingly contradictory writings such as this ;
” Srila Prabhupada’s disciples refused His order and they usurpe the ISKCON’s physically body. Yes, this the body is not the original ISKCON without Srila Prabhupada. However many devotees do not know this. But this body can wake immediately by Srila Prabhupada transcendental energy. ”
Why there is such contradictory confusion on your part which led our conversation thus far UNNECESSARILY ?
When I read this in your comments ; ” Yes, this the body is not the original ISKCON without Srila Prabhupada. However many devotees do not know this…….. “.
I wonder that it does not include you and still you and I ended up into this clarifying when I said this ;
” Now the question is that would Srila Prabhupada have formed such Ordinary corporation known as ISKCON subject to four defects ?
If it is NO, then, where is the problem marica prabhu in your understanding ?
If it is YES, then, you are accepting Iskcon as an ordinary corporation subject to four defects. Isn’t it ?
In the Madhya 19.157 quote, all of us ( ONLY THOSE WHO ARE SERIOUS AND SINCERE FOLLOWERS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA ) subscribe and serve Srila Prabhupada’s VANI world wide in Krsna Consciousness Society named as ISKCON.
Is this not TRUE ?
Let us help in your understanding Iskcon when you answer the questions.
So all the above, led me to say this to you ; “You are absolutely misled and misunderstood. That is why you can not understand what you are writing non-sense comments.”
I did not mean at all to insult you in any shape or form or any other party involved.
If it is felt by you as such, I ask you kindly to forgive me, marica Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna, Amar Puri Prabhu.
I answer you and I try to explain clearer my understanding. Of course it can be non-sense comment for others.
Srila Prabhupada’s eternal transcendental energy is the ISKCON . This energy manifests itself in a „physical” form ( devotees, disciples, temples, farms, gurukuka schools and so on).He ( as father ) founded the ISKCON ( as children ).
The children sometimes misbehave but the father will never leave his children. But unfortunately after His departure His transcendental energy does not come off contaminated place. This is the „dead body”.In the ISKCON the bogus gurus are Srila Prabhupada’s disciples but they do not want Srila Prabhupada.They uses only Srila Prabhupada’s name to attract people. However these souls go to the ISKCON because of Srila Prabhupada. They want to accept Srila Prabhupada. So if their love ( the living force ) calls Srila Prabhupada then He certainly would like to go to there to wake the „dead body”.
That’s all.
marica says ; ” So if their love ( the living force ) calls Srila Prabhupada then He certainly would like to go to there to wake the „dead body” . That’s all.
Make no mistake, Prabhu, any body who is serious and sincere in cultivating KC calls Srila Prabhupada in loving service to His mission free from all material motive, then certainly he would not like to go to the POLLUTED places to wake the dead body because he knows and understands that the places are contaminated with full of HYPOCRISY.
I hope you do understand it.
Yes, they use only Srila Prabhupada’s name to attract innocent people. But these people’s TRUE LOVE and TRUST in Srila Prabhupada never awakes because they do not allow the new comers to read Srila Prabhupada’s VANI. You should know and understand it. Therefore, they are brain washed the way they want from the new comers. Isn’t that a FACT ?
When, you and others give and preach them the real VANI of Srila Prabhupada, they are already fixed in the polluted environment. As a result of it, they will not want to accept Srila Prabhupada’s VANI directly but to accept the bogus guru’s newly changed VANI which is full of misleading and CHEATING.
When you say this ; ” In the ISKCON the bogus gurus are Srila Prabhupada’s disciples but they do not want Srila Prabhupada……. ” So how in the HELL, the new comers would want to accept Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and as such where and how is their love ( the living force) calls Srila Prabhupada in order to go to there to wake the dead body ?
Where and how does it make any sense when you are writing as such ?
Hare Krsna, Amar Puri Prabhu.
I should accept only your thought. In this case I believe other.
Many souls are only ignorant and they do not know the truth.
marica says ; ” I should accept only your thought. In this case I believe other. ”
Acceptance and rejection should be based on the LOGICAL reasoning.
All of your LOGICAL reasoning based on your believing others as presented in your comments are ILLOGICAL as it has been explained very nicely in my comments.
You have failed miserably and ignorantly to rebuttal the LOGICAL reasoning in your comments. Thus, you want to hide behind your false ego which covers the intelligence and make you frustrated as it appears in your comments.
Therefore, out of the many ignorant souls, you choose to remain IGNORANT of the TRUTH which
I must speak whether you accept or reject it.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna Amar Puri Prabhu!
You wrote:17. March 2016 at 5:08 pm :
“Acceptance and rejection should be based on the LOGICAL reasoning.
All of your LOGICAL reasoning based on your believing others as presented in your comments are ILLOGICAL as it has been explained very nicely in my comments.
You have failed miserably and ignorantly to rebuttal the LOGICAL reasoning in your comments. Thus, you want to hide behind your false ego which covers the intelligence and make you frustrated as it appears in your comments.
Therefore, out of the many ignorant souls, you choose to remain IGNORANT of the TRUTH which
I must speak whether you accept or reject it.”
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Is this a joke?
Congratulation!
I unknowingly thought that we are two sides of the same coin. I only would like to note softly: Our aim is the same.
forwarded from marica prabhu to Amar Puri:
marica says:
Hare Krsna Amar Puri Prabhu,
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept my humble obeisances.
I do not wanted offend you. I am sorry.
Of course I respect your opinion and I will not write comments on prabhupadanuga.eu. You are right I am not capaple of doing these things properly.
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
Hare Krsna Amar Puri Prabhu!
I think perhaps I was mistakable.
“Of course I respect your opinion” means – your statement about my false ego.
” I will not write comments on prabhupadanuga.eu. ” means – I will not reply to your comments only.
(I will not accept such thing which I think differently)
Hare Krsna,
ys marica
marica Prabhu says ; ” I only would like to note softly: Our aim is the same. ”
Yes, our aim is the same to serve the mission of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada as per individual capacity proportionate to the individual conviction which determines the aim of the individual.
In this regard, you very well know your aim for the service in the mission of Srila Prabhupada.
Being noticed softly, you may feel that your writing is offending but it is indeed a true reflections of your thoughts which I do not feel any of your writing being offensive as such.
Yes, there are writings from my side explaining how I perceived your comments which are self explanatory.
Therefore, everyone including your goodself should continue sharing constructively writing for the benefit of all others who visit this site.
Indeed, writing your genuine comments on this web site is very much appreciated and well taken.
Make no mistake about it. Hope it meets you well, Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
More fuel for the fire:
http://iskconcultunveiled.blogspot.co.uk/
http://people.bu.edu/prothero/site2.html
https://harekrishnatruthout.wordpress.com/
http://breaking-free.info/
https://theanke.wordpress.com/2015/01/16/a-20-minute-lecture-on-why-i-think-hare-krishna-philosophy-is-really-bad-for-peoples-mental-health/
http://www.culteducation.com/group/1016-iskcon/12247-can-it-be-that-the-hare-krishnas-are-not-hindu-.html
Hare Krsna, Samanda Das.
You use a spiritual name. Therefore I would like to ask you because of your comments.
Where do you belong to? To somebody or something.
Samanda Das on Iskcon is demonic!!!!
Samanda Das on Iskcon and the Guru Issue Part 1 – The Hare Krishna Movement
Samanda Das on Red Alert! Mayapur under Bengali siege!
marica: Hare Krsna, Samanda Das.
You use a spiritual name. Therefore I would like to ask you because of your comments.
Where do you belong to? To somebody or something.
Mahesh: these “Samanda Das” type of people are ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada. They WANTED something that suited THEIR life stye—– AND—– BECAUSE they did NOT get this they revolted.
Take for example these Anti Prabhupada sites there is talk of Vedic child marriage. BUT they do NOT UNDERSTAND the VEDIC CULTURE. They are IGNORANT. Hence, they IDENTIFY their Western ideas that these children have sex when they get married in the Vedic Culture.That is ALL bogus. They want to MAKE-OUT that the children have sex in Vedic culture so to DEGRADE it. The purpose is “give a dog a bad name and hang it”. THE FACT HOWEVER, IS: those children in VEDIC CULTURE at the time were NOT allowed live together until they are GROWN UP. Another thing is – a man has to PROVIDE for the WHOLE family there was NO Government benefit hand-outs to children produced. AND there was NO contraception. NO abortion. Sex life is ONLY for the purpose of creating Krsna Conscious children.
What the Anti Prabhupada folks also CONVENIENTLY forget is that MANY MANY children in today’s WESTERN society have sex with contraception OPENLY promoted. They turn blind eye to this. Everyone KNOWS this.
Let us take a understanding of HOW these child marriage WAS in Vedic Culture at the time:
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Prabhupada: Quality, you’ll understand first of all come to the quality. Without having quality, how he’ll understand the quality? You follow the instruction of your spiritual master, of the sastra. That is your duty. Quality, no quality–it is not your position to understand. When the quality comes there is no force. You will have a taste for chanting. You will desire at that time, “Why sixteen round? Why not sixteen thousand rounds?” That is quality. That is quality. It is by force. You’ll not do it; therefore at least sixteen rounds. But when you come to the quality, you will feel yourself, “Why sixteen? Why not sixteen thousand?” That is quality, automatically. Just like Haridasa Thakura was doing. He was not forced to do. Even Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He requested, “Now you are old enough. You can reduce.” So he refused, “No. Up to the end of my life I shall go on.” That is quality. Have you got such tendency that you will go on chanting and nothing to do? That is quality. Now you are forced to do. Where is the question of quality? That is given a chance so that one day you may come to the quality, not that you have come to the quality. Quality is different. Athasaktih. Asakti, attachment. Just like Rupa Gosvami says that “How shall I chant with one tongue, and how shall I hear, two ears? Had it been millions of tongue and trillions of ear, then I could enjoy it.” This is quality. Quality is not so cheap. Maybe after many births. For the time being you go on following the rules and regulations. It is being done by force. Where is the quality? So you wanted to understand quality. This is the quality. You’ll not be forced, but automatically you’ll desire. That is quality. I am writing books. I am not being forced by anyone. Everyone can do that. Why one does not do it? Why I get up at night, one o’clock, and do this job? Because I cannot do without it. How one will do it artificially? This is quality. Therefore they like my purports. That quality is shown by Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda virahena me. “Oh, I do not see Govinda. The whole world is vacant.” Sunyayitam jagat sarvam govinda virahena me. This is quality. Just like we have got practical example. One man’s beloved has died, and he is seeing the whole universe vacant. Is it vacant? So that is quality of love. So there is no formula of quality. It is to be understood by himself. Just like if after eating something you feel refreshed and get strength, that is quality. You haven’t got to take certificate: “Will you give me a certificate that I have eaten?” You’ll understand whether eaten or not. That is quality. When you will feel so much ecstasy in chanting Hare Krsna, that is quality. Not artificially–“Chant. Chant. Otherwise get out.” This is not quality. This is in expectation that someday you may come to quality. That requires time. That requires sincerity. But quality is there. Sravanadi suddha citte karaye… It will be awakened. Not by force. Just like love between two persons, it cannot be forced. “You must love him. You must love her.” Oh, that is no love. That is not love. When automatically you love one another, that is quality. Dora vede(?) prema. And therefore formerly, at least in the Indian society, at an early age they were married. There is no quality in that quality. But gradually, remaining together, the quality of love increases. Then the wife takes care of the husband, and the husband takes care. They become bound up, united in love. That is quality. In the beginning, what the child knows about love? No. But they are allowed to remain as husband and wife. They are thinking that “I have got my husband,” “I have got my wife,” and as the age increases, the dealings become intimate. Then they become affectionate. That is quality. Not in the beginning there is any quality. It is by the parents’ arrangement. That’s all. In our day, the marriage was performed when the girl is ten years, twelve years, nine years. Twelve years is very late marriage. My second sister, she became twelve years old. So my mother became so disturbed that “This girl is not being married. Shall I commit suicide?” Yes. You see? My eldest sister, she was nine years old, older than me, and she was married before my birth. And my mother-in-law was married at the age of seven years, and my father-in-law was eleven years. I was married… My wife was eleven years. So in this age there is no question of love. IT IS NOT THAT THE HUSBAND AND WIFE LIVES TOGETHER, NO. UNLESS THE GIRL IS GROWN UP, SHE IS NOT GOING TO THE HUSBAND. SHE REMAINS WITH THE FATHER AND MOTHER. Sometimes they meet, and the wife is taught, giving some sweetmeat to the husband–official. Official. The parents of the girl: “Just go up to your husband and offer this.” So she comes as obedient servant. But gradually they get the connection. In this way the love develops, and when they are fifteen, sixteen years old, they are allowed to live together. Because both of them have already developed that “She is my wife,” “He is my husband,” psychologically. And there was no question of divorce. The love is so strong, they cannot dream even that “I have to leave my wife,” “I have to leave my husband.” They cannot dream it. They may fight. The husband and wife fighting, that is not unusual. Therefore Canakya Pandita says, “Fight between the husband, wife, never take it seriously.” Dampatye kalahe caiva bambharambhe laghu-kriya: “They’ll make all arambha, but it is not very important. Don’t take.” Next moment they will again live peacefully. So according to Indian culture, there is no divorce. There is no question of divorce. Both the husband and wife, they cannot dream of divorce. The love was so strong. Even Gandhi’s life, he fought with his wife and pushed her out of the house: “Get out, I don’t want you.” And Kasturabhai, she began to cry on the street, “Where shall I go? You have driven me away.” Then Gandhi said, “Come on.” Finished. (laughter) He has written in his life.
68-09-20. Letter: Satsvarupa
In your letter of the 17th instant, you have very frankly inquired from me about householder life, especially in the matter of sex relationship. A sannyasi is not supposed to be asked about anything sexual. But still, because you are so much dependent on my instruction, so I must give you information as far as possible. Married life is not for sex indulgence. The principle of marriage is on the background of getting good children. So the householder is allowed to have sex life once in a month, just after the menstrual period. The menstrual period prolongs at least for 5 days, so after this 5 days, one can have sex life provided he desires to get a child. And as soon as the wife is pregnant, no more sex life, until the child is born and is grown up at least for 6 months. After that, one may have sex life on the same principle. If one does not want more than one or two children, he should voluntarily stop sex life. But one should not strictly use any contraceptive method and at the same time indulge in sex life. That is very much sinful. If the husband and wife can voluntarily restrain by powerful advancement of Krishna Consciousness. That is the best method. It is not necessary that because one has got wife, therefore you must have sex life. The whole scheme is to avoid sex life as far as possible. And if one can avoid it completely then it is a great victory for him. Married life is a sort of license for sex life on condition of raising children. So you should try to understand these principles of married life and use your discretion. You should not imitate great personalities like Bhaktivinode Thakura, but you must follow His footprints. But it is not always possible to have the same success as great personalities like Bhaktivinode Thakura achieved. So in all circumstances you should try to follow the footprints of authorities but never to imitate them. Unless Jadurani develops a better health and strength, I do not advise her to become pregnant. I think you will understand the instruction as I have given and try to follow it as far as possible.
Devotees find these interesting:
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One of iskcon’s gbc authorized gurus ! Just like a drop of water has all the qualities of the ocean, so has this creature got the qualities of the of all of the iskcon gurus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z26TaFEoGXM
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http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/rocanas-post-mortem-guru-program-is.html
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Prabhu, he is very advanced. We cannot understand such an exalted state of consciousness because we’re conditioned souls. But it’s easy to see that he has reached the highest transcendental platform beyond all bodily conceptions. Otherwise how could he wear that hat without feeling even a tinge of embarrassment or shame? This is maha-bhava, without a doubt. Please be careful not to offend the pure devotee.
wow – is this for real or just a joke???
I think there is a great difference between maha-bhava and maha-madness
Of course it was a joke. ;o)
LW says: ” Otherwise how could he wear that hat without feeling even a tinge of embarrassment or shame? This is maha-bhava, without a doubt. Please be careful not to offend the pure devotee.”
The answer is very simple. I remember when I was a school boy, I saw a man full of intoxication lying on the street in the running drainage full of filth. Not only I saw him but lots of passer by saw him also. His son was almost my school age and when he saw me seeing his father full of intoxication, he called his mother and picked him up by dragging him into their home. Next day, I saw the same intoxicated man not feeling any tinge of embarrassment or shame. He was as usual as if no body notice of him.
The same way, this Maha bhava of the swami so called guru in the video represents full of intoxication for the Prestige, Adoration and Distinction. So, he can wear that hat, sing as he likes and so on because he is full of intoxication with the position of a guru having lots of followers. Isn’t it ?
So where is the Maha Bhava ?
Hare Krsna.
There is an approach among the devotees about Srila Prabhupada’s service:
“…is a good soul… He is doing/ was doing a lot of service to Srila Prabhupada according to his understanding and capacity”
However in their opinion this good soul can be a bogus guru, poisoner … too.
Many people forget Jesus Christ’s action:
“And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.” John 2.15.
marica says ; ” There is an approach among the devotees about Srila Prabhupada’s service:
“…is a good soul… He is doing/ was doing a lot of service to Srila Prabhupada according to his understanding and capacity”
The above quote is referred to be understood by those who are/were doing a lot of service DIRECTLY for the mission of Srila Prabhupada according to his understanding and capacity.
What type of service this Swami, bogus guru appears to be rendering DIRECTLY to satisfy for the mission of Srila Prabhupada ?
OR
Is he NOT satisfying himself doing what he is doing best under the control of the strong mixture of the influence covered with the Tamo and Rajo Guna rather than Srila Prabhupada ?
IS HE NOT ?
So, please do not through quote out of context which makes no sense to the relevant situation under discussion.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada explains in the SB. 5.18.12 which reads ;
TEXT 12
yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā
sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ
harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā
manorathenāsati dhāvato bahiḥ
SYNONYMS
yasya—of whom; asti—there is; bhaktiḥ—devotional service; bhagavati—to the Supreme Personality of Godhead; akiñcanā—without any motive; sarvaiḥ—with all; guṇaiḥ—good qualities; tatra—there (in that person); samāsate—reside; surāḥ—all the demigods; harau—unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; abhaktasya—of a person who is not devoted; kutaḥ—where; mahat-guṇāḥ—good qualities; manorathena—by mental speculation; asati—in the temporary material world; dhāvataḥ—who is running; bahiḥ—outside.
TRANSLATION
All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord’s external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?
PURPORT
As explained in the next verse, Kṛṣṇa is the original source of all living entities. This is confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (15.7), wherein Kṛṣṇa says:
mamaivāṁśo jīva-loke
jīva-bhūtaḥ sanātanaḥ
manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi
prakṛti-sthāni karṣati
“The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.” All living entities are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, and therefore when they revive their original Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they possess all the good qualities of Kṛṣṇa in a small quantity. When one engages himself in the nine processes of devotional service (śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam/ arcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ sakhyam ātma-nivedanam [SB 7.5.23]), one’s heart becomes purified, and he immediately understands his relationship with Kṛṣṇa. He then revives his original quality of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
In the Ādi-līlā of Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Chapter Eight, there is a description of some of the qualities of devotees. For example, Śrī Paṇḍita Haridāsa is described as being very well-behaved, tolerant, peaceful, magnanimous and grave. In addition, he spoke very sweetly, his endeavors were very pleasing, he was always patient, he respected everyone, he always worked for everyone’s benefit, his mind was free of duplicity, and he was completely devoid of all malicious activities. These are all originally qualities of Kṛṣṇa, and when one becomes a devotee they automatically become manifest. Śrī Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja, the author of Caitanya-caritāmṛta, says that all good qualities become manifest in the body of a Vaiṣṇava and that only by the presence of these good qualities can one distinguish a Vaiṣṇava from a non-Vaiṣṇava. Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja lists the following twenty-six good qualities of a Vaiṣṇava: (1) He is very kind to everyone. (2) He does not make anyone his enemy. (3) He is truthful. (4) He is equal to everyone. (5) No one can find any fault in him. (6) He is magnanimous. (7) He is mild. (8) He is always clean. (9) He is without possessions. (10) He works for everyone’s benefit. (11) He is very peaceful. (12) He is always surrendered to Kṛṣṇa. (13) He has no material desires. (14) He is very meek. (15) He is steady. (16) He controls his senses. (17) He does not eat more than required. (18) He is not influenced by the Lord’s illusory energy. (19) He offers respect to everyone. (20) He does not desire any respect for himself. (21) He is very grave. (22) He is merciful. (23) He is friendly. (24) He is poetic. (25) He is expert. (26) He is silent.
Here is YET—- ANOTHER one who kept it all hidden on the play of ” As Good as God” game of ISKCON’s bogus gbc rubber-stamped “gurus”.
Good thing is—- atleast he is NOW coming forward with honesty that he was a cheater guru:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/gunagrahi-swami-admits-pornography.html
He has cancer – so could be on his final days—-I think.
Hare Krsna, Amar Puri Prabhu.
Please try to see my comment/comments through the bogus gurus’ disciples’ eyes and no with your own eyes.
marica Prabhu ; Sorry I mistook your writing as it appears thinking that you are one of such devotees ;
” marica says ; ” There is an approach among the devotees about Srila Prabhupada’s service:
“…is a good soul… He is doing/ was doing a lot of service to Srila Prabhupada according to his understanding and capacity”.
Kindly accept my apology, Prabhu.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
HARE KRISHNA PRABHUS, AGTSP, PAMHO.
In the lecture of “Iskcon is demonic!!!!” headline; this: “!!!!” means, that: “Iskcon is divine, but there are some demonic elements infiltrated for instance.”
Quote: (Demonic = Maya)
Air hostess: “”But, I can see there is maya in the temple.”
Srila Prabhupada: “Just tell me where there is no maya to go there.”
(Caracas, feb 1975)
The Prabhupadanugas are the actual GBC: “It is not supposed that a GBC to control a temple,” “you should be the instructor guru.” “There is not difference between diksa and siksa guru.” We are not rulers, we are masters. All the Devotees should be careful with the mundane elements that are infiltrated with personal intentions. Whose believe: “There is not God.” Even the Bhagavad Gita says that 99% of Hare Krishna’s are not really Hare Krishna. So which is the formula to become a real devotee? Srila Prabhupada said in that we all are rascals. “We can learn from our own mistakes. But why bother for mistakes of others?
Iskcon is a house of love and mercy, but “the sinister organization” has changed it into a house of greed and lust.
Quote: “OUR GOAL – WORLD POWER”
“It is not the Institutions which are Important but their functions.” http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/PROTOCOL No. 10
The idea is to manipulate all the institutions of the world injecting the liberalism to divide and conquer.
The kali chela Guru prasadam “swami” say: “Death is when one cannot do sex anymore.” This means that he is a genital. This is demonic. Another kali chela Virabahu “prabhu” say: I am not a Hare Krishna but a servant of God. They are not introducing Krishna but themselves. The freemasons also have prohibited the Catholic Church to preach: “Because it is a violation to the human freedom and the spiritual life is a choice for after death.” What a coincidence!
Fiskcon is a cult to the personality but a fake one, where all the members are just a copy of the dictator, and thanks to the traffic of influences is a bloodline apasampradaya. Iskcon is not a sampradaya is an institution.
Quote:
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”
(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Third: It is declared that His Divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is the founder acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of the bay area. He shall be the supreme power with respect to all matters of the society, and that status shall not be occupied or shared with any other individual, either during His lifetime, or after death. His name and title must appear on all documents letterheads, publications and the buildings of the society or corporation.”
(Iskcon incorporation Bay Area Jan 12 / 1976)
Today’s religions ask you for a donation and you can go to the conferences and the chants; but they don’t ask you the Ten Commandments because they don’t follow them. They do a party with the collected money and the people can go to the heel. In the Ten Commandments we can find three of them that are against the illicit sex: “Not fornication, not adultery and not greed for the women of others. All religion has a coincidence in three fundamental points: First, develop love for God. Second, the chanting of the Holly Names is the process to develop such love for God, and third, celibacy is necessary for the chanting of the Holly Names. It is not possible to eat and chant. In the Vedas it is called the process of sambanda, abhideya and prayoyana; the knowledge, the practice and the result. The thesis, antithesis and synthesis. This is called science.