PADA: Gurus are ordinary men, making mistakes?

Juli 17, 2010 — Dear prabhu, And if Radhanatha does not know that Lokanatha is a molester …

** There are times when some people make mistakes.

[PD: So now you and Radhantha are saying that gurus are subject to conditional defects, which is technically called sahajiya-vada. Srila Prabhupada kicked Nitai out of ISKCON for saying that gurus make mistakes, now that is your main theme. You are now quoting exactly what Nitai said, and Nitai was banned from ISKCON by Srila Prabhupada.

“Gurusuh narah mati narakah sah,” anyone who says gurus makes mistake is a resident of narakah. So this is good, you admit that Radhanatha is citing Nitai’s ideas and he has totally rejected Srila Prabhupada’s authority. We are making progress, and so we also need to make children suffer because we need to establish Nitai as the new authority.]

** I am sure you will also find situations in your life where you have made mistakes.

[PD: I am not a guru, parampara member, acharya, Krishna successor etc.? Now you are equating conditioned souls and gurus? Again, you are citing Nitai. Again this is good, you are admitting that kanisthas like me are equal to your gurus. If we are equals to your gurus, why is Radhanatha suing us?]

** In that case why you do not stop being “acharya” in trying to expose others.

[PD: There are no examples of our acharyas needing expose? These people are not acharyas so they need to be exposed. And now you know why, they are also molesters so we need to defend children. Again this is good, you are saying parampara gurus are often exposed for illicit sex, when Srila Prabhupada said this is the mad elephant offense, to consider the guru is illicit sex.]

** Say, we assume that your story is true. A person can still with his sincerity correct himself.

[PD: That is what they told 11 years old Satya, a big lie, that they were going to take rectification actions. They never did, they still have Lokanatha sitting in the guru seat being worshipped as sannyasa and guru. Worse, the baby of Satya’s relatives was miscarried because her family tried to defend Satya, so in Radhanatha’s system the children have to be molested, babies have to die, all of these victims are simply dust under your giant jack boots, in order for you and Radhanatha’s guru system to work. Then you say, there are no examples of Radhanatha doing anything wrong, but he is wrong to support a guru system where children and babies have to suffer and even die in order to make it work. Has he gone to even apologize to Satya? No, dust under his boots. Has he apologized to the people who lost their baby, no, simply more dust under his boots.]

** If he is not sincere then Krishna rectifies the situation.

[PD: Krishna is rectifying, He is exposing these people left, right and center, and we are helping by Krishna’s grace. More of the victims of Radhanatha’s guru are coming forward, so we are getting more support to expose them more widely. Now everyone is being aware that Radhanatha’s policy is to worship molesters as his gurus and let the children victims be the bad guys. Our idea is being proven.]

** Talking about acharya – none of them say they are acharyas – that’s different then a Guru.

[PD: They are saying they are: Vishnupadas, Bhaktipadas, and Satsvarupa is of course Gurupada, Jayapataka is the Acharyapada, Bhaktitirtha is Krishnapada, etc. and they also say they are absorbing sins and getting headaches from absorbing sins, so they are saying they are taking sins like Jesus, they also have vyasa-pujas, so they are as good as vyasadeva etc. And Jayapataka just had elaborate sanskrit prayers saying he is a Vishnupada, etc. etc. so they are saying they are acharyas or even better than acharyas, they are Gurupadas, all the gurus fall at their feet. Radhanatha is responsible for all this because he supports this program for the past 30 years.]

** Even as per Srila Prabhupda’s teachings, one should take a spiritual master –
even if he has some impurities – better then no spiritual master.

[PD: Now you are saying gurus have impurities? Krishna says “acharyam mam vijnaniyam,” “guru asraya” “shaksat hari tvena” and in sum — the guru is as pure as God, and you say that means — Krishna is as pure as a child molester? How can your Radhanatha say that impure people and molesters are “good as God” gurus?]

** Even in Gaudiya Mutt, they have the same system as ISKCON.

[PD: Prabhupada said do not make another Gaudiya Mutt, he said they deviated and ruined their mission and they were bugs biting their guru.]

** You are selectively quoting Srila Prabhupda to avoid surrender – which is the basis of bhakti.

[PD: Surrender to the worship of child molesters? Why?]

** Anyway, I am happy with your discussions. I now know your mental status & also I now know for sure that inspite of your such negative fault finding attitude, you have not been able to pinpoint any specific falldowns of Radhanath Swami in all this years.

[PD: Yes, he supported and still suports the worship of child molesters as gurus, and he is suing anyone who disagrees. Anyone who says gurus are not homosexuals and pedophiles, he sues them.]

** What you have is very old stories which are difficult to prove. In case they were true, in last two decades Krishna would have corrected Radhanath Swami like he did for few who were hiding their fall downs. The very fact that Krishna has just been empowering him in preaching the message of Srila Prabhupada itself proves that you allegations are baseless. How many people you have made chant Hare Krishna?

[PD: Well that is fine, so he is chanting Hare Krishna and supporting child molesters as gurus and in the seat of vyasa, and so children are being molested and babies are then dying, while we are chanting and not suporting his child molesters in the seat of vyasa. You have nailed our basic differences. ys pd]

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