video: Prabhupada Fest LA 2013
BCS: […] Another question here comes to my mind. You want to take initiation from me, but how often we will meet? I think I came to Germany after four years? The Prabhupada installation was? Five years, okey, yes, five years. So, if I come after five years, what will you do for those five years? The question naturally arises, then Maharaja, why are you giving initiation?
What attracted you to Iskcon? Question (for their translator): what attracted them to Iskcon ? … Yes, but how they get to know about that? … Those devotees, what did they give you? Did they give you Prabhupada’s books? Actually what attracted you to spiritual life is Srila Prabhupada. The devotees you met, they are Prabhupada’s devotees, Iskcon devotees means Prabhupada’s devotees. The books that you read are Prabhupada’s books. You are being sheltered by Prabhupada’s arrangement, in the form of Iskcon.
[PADA: The only problem is that when we say these things, the GBC gurus have us banned, beat and assassinated.]
[PADA: Good! We have forced them to say the same things we have said all along, by our pressing them for 35 years!]
[PADA: Right, you might not ever see your so-called GBC guru, who is now acting as a ritvik, your real link is the books and program of Srila Prabhupada.]
[PADA: Right, us GBC gurus are dropping like flies, falling down and some are dying, so better take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, as PADA has said all along.]
[PADA: Prabhupada is present in his vani, hmm, this man has become PADA’s parrot!]
What is the second offense, Natasha ?
What is the third offense, Feder ? Third offense ? … No, third offense is to disobey the instructions of the spiritual master.
Fourth offense? Natasha? … He just mentioned it. He got the fourth offense mixed up with the third. Okey? okey… (laughter)
Okey, Feder, fifth offense ? You are feeling nervous? Okey, let’s see what according to your calculation
Fifth offense. What is the fifth offense ?
Okey, close.
Sixth offense, Natasha? Okey, memorise them properly, yes?
Seventh offense, Feder?
Seventh offense is to commit sinful activities on the strength of the chanting. So, now he remembers?
Eight offense, Natasha? Karma kanda… (Guru Maharaja Laughs) Okey.
Nith offense, Feder? You just said it. “To instruct the glories of the Holy Name to a faithless person. And tenth offense, Natasha?
To maintain material attachments.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Hare Krishna
So, now we will do achaman. Achaman means cleansing the vocal channel. So, you have achaman cups. So, you take water in your hand and wash it, both hands. First right hand, take, okey… Then you take some water on your palm and drink it from the base of your palm, saying Om Sri Keshavaya Namah. Okey, wash your hand. Then take water again and drink it by saying , then say Om Sri Narayana Namah. Then take it again and drink it again and say Om Sri Nararyana Namah. Then wash your hands and say after me:
Om apavitra pavitro va sarvah vastan
yasmared pundarikaksam apandarah sucih
Sri Vishnu Sri Vishnu Sri Vishnu
[PADA: BCS is saying similar ideas to what we said all along, and this proves that ISKCON is gradually going ritvik. ys pd]
u rascal PADA, u don’t even understand the meaning of initiation, wat to say for understanding the ritvik initiation concept wich SP opted just bcoz of health issues. don’t try to misquote great leaders of ISKcon to prove ur non-sensical pt., rather if possible try to understand wat they r doing & y, in an un-biased way. it was SP who only said that his teachings wud be the guidelines for all ISKCON devotees in present & future, and it was he only who clearly said tat his disciples will continue the disciplic succsession after his physical departure, as has been done for time immemorial. So if u c with a sane mind u’ll find that H.H. BCS is doing exactly wat SP instructed and which is NOT the ritvik way u r trying to fabricate! Hare Krishna
Well yes, you are quite correct Shaym. My apologies. Right, Bhakti Caru swami still supports the GBC guru people who say that God’s acharyas and “pure devotee guru successors” the “good as God gurus” are full of ghosts, and so they need to be ghost busted by the BCS pagal baba ashram program of Chitesvara.
So yes, you are right, BCS has only made partial advancement, I agree. I should have made that more clear. Sorry. Yes, BCS is making only partial advancement. He still thinks the Lord’s acharyas are in the modes of tamasic guna and most of them are full of ghosts, as Chitesvara said in 1990, actually he said ALL the GBC gurus are all full of ghosts, including BCS. So yes, BCS is still stuck in tamasic guna, because he supports those who think the Lord’s messiahs are managed by a pack of ghosts, so BCS is still tied up in ignorance. He is only peeking around the corner of the curtains of illusion, I agree.
Yes I agree! Even my neighbor’s dog is not infested with ghosts, because it is not stuck in such degraded levels of tamasic guna like the BCS guru program. Anyway, here is another GBC guru defender like you who never actually answers any of our points, and neither are you. That means you do not know the answers to our questions. Please answer our points for a change, and quit rambling, like a person who has ghosts. ys pd
Bhakta Shishir Katote update
OK now his friends are telling us that it is not unusual for sannyasas to fall down, because sannyasas fell down all the time in ISKCON when Srila Prabhupada was here. And that explains all the falling down of leaders of ISKCON after 1977. So they “defeated me.” Wait a minute? Their main excuse for their fall downs up till now (from 1977 – 2013) was:
(A) These leaders are just like Jesus (not just sannyasas) but they are His Divine Grace Srila Vishnupadas, Krishnapadas, Acharyapadas, Bhaktipadas, Tirthapadas etc. And their worship was ENFORCED and established by folks like Vipramukhya and Danavir, who said we have to worship these people as pure devotees, just like they are another Jesus incarnated.
(B) Hence, they are able to accept sins just like Jesus.
(C) Ooops! And as such, they have accepted too many sins.
(D) And so now, these accumulated sins are making them fall down?
What kind of foolish children believe such tales, that a person like Jesus has “accepted too many sins”? Well Bhakta Shishir’s program does!
Of course, in 1990 the GBC also said their gurus have taken so many sins, now their messiahs are full of ghosts, and this is causing the Lord’s messiahs to fail. So they hired Chitesvara to “ghost bust” their gurus. OK, but this does not explain, who told them they are like Jesus, and thus they can act as diksha gurus and absorb sins like Jesus, causing ghostly hauntings? Why would the Bhakta Shishir / GBC clan say that people like Jesus can fall because they are full of ghosts in the first place? And this begs the question:
Why would Jesus be full of ghosts, since He is a pure devotee? And what does that have to do with neophytes who cannot keep sannyasas standards?
Hello, Bhatka Shishir program, can you explain yourselves here and quit telling us children’s fairy tales? This is great! If I rob a bank, I can say to the judge, — Here is what really happened, I am like Jesus, I took too many sins, I thus got full of ghosts, so I fell down and robbed banks, so I am innocent! Bhakta Shishir is reading what shastra exactly, the MAFIA tales?
And really again, why is Bhakta Shishir, an alleged scholar, falling for all this bogus GBC rubbish, that the messiahs from God are taking too many sins, so they are falling down, therefore, they need to be ghost busted? Even children do not believe such nonsense programs, only great scholarly people like — Bhakta Shishir and his oneiskcon clan? And the fact that messiahs are falling down due to ghosts, this has “defeated” me”? Really? Where is this stated, that the messiahs from God are taking too many sins, and are thus falling down, and that they are then — full of ghosts from taking all these sins? Where is any of this described in the shastra? The guru has to surrender to Pagal Baba’s ghost busting? Why doesn’t Bhakta Shishir ever tell us what shastra this rubbish is coming from?
OK, notice the “bait and switch” here: (1) The leaders are uttama acharyas like Jesus, ooops, nope (2) they are like the regular (less than kanistha) sannyasas who were falling down prior to 1977? Can you people at least try to get your story straight first of all — before — you present it?
Bhakta Shishir’s group also forgets something else very important, Srila Prabhupada suspended sannyasa in January of 1977, saying that his leaders are making a laughingstock of sannyasa. So, suspend the sannyasa order, and let these people get married. That was in January of 1977, now according to the Bhakti Vikas swami program, on May 28th 1977 (just a few months after January 1977), Srila Prabhupada had ordered the SAME people who are unfit for sannyasa to be his “guru successors.” They are falling down left, right and center, therefore, they are the Lord’s successor acharyas? Do these people ever read any shastra? People who are not fit for sannyasa are not fit to be acharyas, duh!
Does Bhakta Shishir’s program make any sense at all? They are not fit for sannyasa, they are falling down left right and center, they are often engaged in illicit sex, they are even falling into drugs, and even even some of them were eating beef steaks, and so on, therefore, they are fit to be God’s successor messiahs? And these people claim to understand what the Goswamis are writing? Where do the Goswamis say that the acharyas are falling down left, right and center? That people who are not fit for sannyasa are acharyas? OK Shishir prabhu, we are waiting for your replies, you have to specifically address these points. Of course if you do not know the answers to any of this because you have never studied any actual shastra, fine. We will understand. ys pd
Yet another resident of Tamaloka who is ignorant of the fact that one of the Acarya’s who Srila Prabhupada listed as being in the Gaudiya disciplic succession was considered a disciple of the Acarya listed just before him, an Acarya who not only he never met, but who had disappeared (physically departed) before he was even born.
I won’t give away the names. Shyam K would be well served to do the research on his own, he might learn something.
The absurdity of insisting that dozens of Saksad Hari Mahabhagavat Acaryas creating different standards and cliques of disciples within one asrama that already had standards set by its Founder also appears to escape the residents of Tamaloka.
Brings to mind the Parable of Bhatka Joe and Bhakta Bill.
https://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/9c82a069417651cc/dbd4954658b180e9?lnk=gst&q=parable#dbd4954658b180e9
Thanks Shyam K from Channapatna, Karnataka, India! Thing is we have to be fair. Above is what BCS spoke himself, not some hearsay. What BCS is saying is clear, no need of further interpretation. Otherwise BCS would have made clear that a real guru is not appointed but self-effulgent. Self-effulgent means by their activities such pure devotees turn this planet into Vaikuntha. Since ISKCON gurus are GBC appointed without having performed outstanding preaching success, they are officiating priests only – acting on behalf of Prabhupada.
They are not acting on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, how being so could they ever turn to change His books, have illegal sex dealings with His Divine Graces followers like for example gurukula little boys, or girls?! They are acting on behalf of KALI, and Kali only! They are rascals, and this should be clearly said!
Unless guru is a pure and accomplished devotee what kind of guru he may be? Original Guru is Krishna, there is nothing like GBC guru, this is maya, there is however also nothing like by proxy priests transmitted diksha on demand while Sri Guru is in His samadhi form. In both cases this is Kali-Yuga cheating, lies and hypocrisy.
What does Bhakta Jarek, our other visitor from Tamaloka, know about the potency of Sri Guru “in his samadhi form”?
Of course he offers no scriptural reference.
Yet Srila Prabhupada gives direct evidence of the potency of departed Acaryas to transmit Divya Jnana and continue the disciplic succession within the description of the Gaudiya disciplic succession.
For there are 2 back to back acaryas, one of which Srila Prabhupada says specifically accepted the other as his servitor, who never met because of the very fact that one was departed before the other was even born.
I won’t name them, Jarek could use the homework assignment.
So, apparently, the “samadhi form” of a Mahabhagavat has more potency to give Diksa then Jarek’s tiny pea brain is able to comprehend. But what to expect from a puffed up mental speculator??
Bhakta Jarek writes ; ” ….. Original Guru is Krishna, there is nothing like GBC guru, this is maya, there is however also nothing like by proxy priests transmitted diksha on demand while Sri Guru is in His samadhi form. In both cases this is Kali-Yuga cheating, lies and hypocrisy.”
Bhakta Jarek you are a LIAR and a Cheater to yourself creating hypocrisy to promote your agenda in this public forum as appears in your comments mentioned above.
From your statement above you accept that Srila Prabhupada is in Samadhi during his presence or absence while He gives Initiations to those who follow His Instructions and yet you misrepresent and disobey Srila Prabhupada’s Initiating Instructions simultaneously.
Therefore, please STOP condemning the Initiating Instructions of Srila Prabhupada if you are truly a follower of Srila Prabhupada who is in SAMADHI being fully Krishna Consciousness while He is presence or absence.
Hope it meets you well.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna Amar Puri das!
I am well, thank you. Personally I see hundreds of instructions on initiation or more precisely on siksha and diksha in Srila Prabhupada’s books, and no single one of them refers to the so called ritvik system where diksha is institutionally on a mass scale demanded from no physically manifested or departed Acarya. No one of you can even follow that ritvik scam unless some of you will interpret and adjust the so called final instruction, thus making it another material joke. Instead of chanting and purifying our hearts we will in such way go straight to hell. Thank you so much for your unalloyed stupidity in this regard, opposing you helps me to train my mind and shows how intense we have to fight against maya and folks like the multifarious ritvik camps, the remnants of Gaudiya Math, NM false acarya vampire or the GBC of West Bengal inc. masquerade of FISKCON.
y.s. bj
No one has ever promoted the worship of no one, like Bhakta Jarek is doing. All glories to — nobody pada? ys pd
we have to fight against maya and folks like the multifarious ritvik camps, the remnants of Gaudiya Math, NM false acarya vampire or the GBC of West Bengal inc. masquerade of FISKCON.
And there you have it in a nutshell. Jarek says “we”. Yet he aligns himself against everyone it seems.
Who are the we? As I mentioned earlier, the only Guru’s he promotes are Rocana, Kailash Chandra, and Bhakta George.
Let’s see, I guess we should include him in that group he promotes, after all he does use the word “we”.
Yet he is still Bhakta Jarek. Bhakta. HMMMMM. So, I guess George is out for “Bhakta” Jarek to take initiation from. Process of elimination leaves us with Rocana or Kailash Candra.
I know my excuse for not taking initiation yet. I know there are many qualified initiators all around the world, just none within a thousand miles of me, so I am saving up and will eventually move near one of those temples and allow myself to be examined, and then be initiated by someone who will only expect me to use Srila Prabhupada’s name in my Pranama mantras, only expect me to offer daily guru puja to Srila Prabhupada, only expect me to dress and pray to Srila Prabhupada’s murti form in the temple, only expect me to follow Srila Prabhupada’s vani, and not the concocted speculations of any old neophyte.
So, I’d love to hear Bhakta Jarek’s excuse. Why hasn’t Bhakta Jarek moved into the apt. down the street from Rocana and his wife and begun to wash their feet, give Rocana daily guru puja, etc??
Or why hasn’t he moved out to Moab Utah to become Kailash Candra’s water boy?
Or perhaps Bhakta Jarek will take initiation from Srlia Rupa Goswami via a picture, and begin to advertise himself as the next living Acarya?
Ok Bhakta Jarek. Sorry to help you embarass yourself, but you asked for it.
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Please be informed that people like Bhakta Jarek and BHakti Caru Swami who calls himself ” As a spiritual master ” in his writing which is reproduced here below, they contradicts in their writings which mislead massive neophyte curious people when they come in touch with Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS and His VANI.
” And I am simply a representative of Iskcon. As a spiritual master my role is to represent Iskcon. Today I am giving initiation because Iskcon has approved me, because Iskcon has authorized me. Tomorrow if Iskcon says: “you stop giving initiation”, then I have to stop giving initiation. That clearly indicates I am not giving initiation on my own capacity. I am giving initiation on the authority of Iskcon. This is the point about surrender. Surrender to Iskcon. Because Iskcon is Prabhupada’s divine arrangement to spread Krishna Consciousness all over the world for ten thousand years to come.”
Srila Prabhupada in His ORIGINAL Divine Book Bhagavata ( Instructions to conduct Spiritual Life ) teaches how to become God Consciousness all over the world for ten thousand years to come. That is why Srila Prabhupada created the Iskcon institution world wide in which Srila Prabhupada remains the Sole Siksha and Diksha Guru Himself as the Spiritual Master of Iskcon as the BOOK BHAGAVATA regardless of His physically presence or absence and, thus giving Spiritual Initiations to the massive people by following the procedure and process instructed by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada to carry forward the Iskcon Movement.
So Bhakti Caru Swami who writes himself as the authorized Spiritual Master in the Iskcon is contradicting and misleading for a cheating to serve BCS personal motive. People like Bhakta Jarek creates further confusion in his writings as pointed out in my comments.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The Talented Mr Charu:
” And I am simply a representative of Iskcon. As a spiritual master my role is to represent Iskcon. Today I am giving initiation because Iskcon has approved me, because Iskcon has authorized me. Tomorrow if Iskcon says: “you stop giving initiation”, then I have to stop giving initiation. That clearly indicates I am not giving initiation on my own capacity. I am giving initiation on the authority of Iskcon. This is the point about surrender. Surrender to Iskcon. Because Iskcon is Prabhupada’s divine arrangement to spread Krishna Consciousness all over the world for ten thousand years to come.”
What you are saying is true, Amar Puri Prabhu. The Talented Mr Charu is a devious, pathological liar, but also skillful in his mendacity.
He is ”playing” the passive, humble servant, a part he “plays” so well! This demon who fed Srila Prabhupada poison for nine months….but creating a ”pretense” that he is just the simple, humble servant! What a slimy, cunning snake is this Talented Mr Charu? A fool who wastes millions of dollars (of Srila Prabhupada’s money) in dodgy “business schemes” whilst playing the ”meek and mild” performer of humble deeds. There has never been more of a duplicious, consumate actor as The Talented Mr Charu and there are many ‘dupes’ such as Bhata Jarek that get caught up in his “spider web” of deceit.
“And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is ‘pride’ that apes humility!”
This program of FISKCON bogus gooroos (such as BCS) ”informing” future ”disciples” that they are “initiating on behalf of Srila Prabhupada” is described further in an article in the latest ‘Back to Prabhupada’ magazine (IRM) {Issue 61, Vol 1} under the subheading “Mass Expansion of ISKCON’s Bait & Switch Program!” Many other FISKCON bogus gooroos are using this deceit, to gather “disciples” by incorporating this mendacious system of “Bait & Switch”. This is dishonesty, however as they continue to defy Srila Prabhupada’s instruction surrounding the Ritvik issue and defy and denounce Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik order and those who support it.
These bogus conditioned soul, gooroo monkeys know that they are just unqualified ‘bums and leeches’ so this should be seen for what it is “BAIT & SWITCH” and does not indicate that they are ”coming around” to accepting Srila Prabhupada’s order regarding Ritvik Vada. This is simply about ”control by dubious means” that’s all! Something demons are very familiar with!