httpv://youtu.be/CNFYec180DU
video: Rathayatra 2013 London
Sudama, Honolulu, July 4, 1974: […] There also is the position of or some question is raised as to how to actually follow the authority. What is the authority between…?
Prabhupada: Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That’s all.
Sudama: The question also is there: the authority is the spiritual master, but the via media to the spiritual master… The difference between, like we were discussing in the automobile of siksa and diksa-guru.
Prabhupada: Then so siksa and diksa-guru… A siksa-guru who instructs against the instruction of spiritual, he is not a siksa guru.
He is a demon. Siksa-guru, diksa-guru means… Sometimes a diksa-guru is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the siksa-guru. Siksa-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the diksa-guru. He is not a siksa-guru. He is a rascal.
Woman Devotee: People are instructing with these sessions?
Prabhupada: (Ignoring question) Because that is offense. Guror avajna. First offense is guror avajna, defying the authority of guru. This is the first offense. So one who is offensive, how he can make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished in the beginning. Guror avajna. Everything is there. If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be siksa-guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately. Guror avajna sruti-sastra-nindanam, namno balad yasya hi… You do not study all these things. You become initiated. There are ten kinds of offenses. Do you have any regard for these things or not? You must avoid these ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to disobey the orders of guru. That is first offense. So if you are offensive, how you can become advanced by chanting? That is also not possible.
Woman Devotee: Can we just have the chanting without instructions?
Prabhupada: What is that?
Sudama: She wants to know actually that should they just have the chanting without reading your books or without instruction or following the program.
Prabhupada: But that chanting must be pure. Your guru is writing books. If you think, “There is no necessity of reading books,” that is guror avajna. Do you means to say I am writing these books whole night for selling and making money? What do you think like that?
Woman Devotee: So there should just be chanting and reading of the books.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Woman Devotee: But how much comment?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Sudama: She says that how much comment should there be for reading the books. In other… Actually the situation is that to be proper siksa, means that one must give instruction as the spiritual master. He has to follow your program, rising early…
Prabhupada: we have already sung. Ara na kariha mane asa. Guru-mukha-padma **. What is that? Read.
Bhadra-vardhana: Ara na kariha mane asa.
Prabhupada: Ah. Mean do not think otherwise. Whatever guru has said accept it, finally. Ara na kariha mane asa **. Don’t divert from this. This is the instruction. How you can divert from the instruction of guru?
Woman Devotee: So just read it, not comment.
Prabhupada: Yes. You read it or not read it, but you have to realize. Suppose one is illiterate. It cannot read. But he can follow… (end)
Full Lecture
” Just like in India, there is a party called Arya-samaj. They accept Krsna
as a very big person but not God, not God. There is some mistake some time.
Avajananti mah mudhah: “Those who are rascals, they sometimes take Me as
ordinary human being.”
Arya-samaj, believe, that is the group this blasphemous universal moron –
Sakshi Gopal of BIF belongs to. Everything that comes out of his mouth is stool.
This blasphemous idiot, now he talks a lot but when death comes, will be totally
bewildered. Only he doesn’t realize it.
HARE KRSNA
pamho agtACBSP,
NIRJALA EKADASI KI AI,
actually i was thinking about it right now – i mean all these deviants who disobey SRILA PRABHUPADA’s instructions still causing serious problems to the movement of our Guru Maharaj by constantly changing what SRILA PRABHUPADA said.
Prabhupada clearly says that of the ten offenses, first offense is guror avajna, defying the authority of guru. If this is not kept then everything is finished in the beginning. Gradual advancement toward pure chanting is not possible.
To disobey the orders of guru is first offense. At the same time they all want to advance their chanting. Japa retreat here, Japa retreat there. But how we can become advanced by chanting when Prabhupada’s instructions are not followed?
They destroy the brilliant future of so many followers yet they do not want to put SRILA PRABHUPADA in the center of his movement.
All this happens because of all those blind followers who have to pay all the karmas for disrespecting SRILA PRABHUPADA as the real diksa guru of Iskcon / BBT.
samstapakacarya 108 HDG ACBSP,
agtSP ys
haribol
This may interest devotees (I had been FWD it)
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To: HareKrsnaDhama@yahoogroups.com
From: s_ramanujan0@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:34:46 -0700
Subject: [HareKrsnaDhama] Fiskcon demons : Humility Vs Truth: Trinadapi does not apply to dishonest cheaters
I have 1st class experience of fighting with Fiskcon demons when I left Fiskcon.
Every one there is characterized by dishonest duplicitous yet politically correct public protocol skills.
ULTIMATELY IT WAS A PAIN TO ME ONLY AS FINALLY THEY ARE MAJORITY, THEY VILIFIED ME AND DEMONIZED ME AND HUMILIATED ME.
MY FRIEND SUGGESTED TO FOLLOW : “trinaadapi suneechena” I was inspired by sikshashtakam
And apologized in a personal mail though it was not my fault.
FUSKCON DEMON POSTED IT ON PUBLIC FORUM TO PROMOTE THEIR POLITICAL AHENDA AND WIN THE VERBAL WAR.
Though I apologized to Alex pr. He did not use it politically , so it makes sense to apologize to honest devotees only.
Here I quote most important quote of BSST.Prabhupada:
HUMILITY IMPLIES UTMOST SUBMISSION TO THE TRUTH AND NO SYMPATHY TOWARDS UNTRUTH.
trinaadapi suneechena does not apply with respect to dishonest demons of Fiskcon.
BELIEVE ME THIS IS THE CENTRAL THEME OF MY LONG DILEMMA IN FISCKON DAYS AND THE VERY CAUSE OF LEAVING FISKON.
often the there is conflict between : TRUTH VS HUMILITY (especially in FISKCON)
I asked this question to Romapada rascal mahrj he could not grasp, could not find answer hence shouted to take mike out of my hands HUMILIATING ME IN PUBLIC FOR HIS LACK OF ANSWER.
THAT INCIDENT WAS FOUNDATION WHICH PROVED BOGUS FURUS DEFICITS.
I carried that dilemma, FINALLY SUPER SOUL POINTED ME TO THAT QUOTE BY BSST.
HUMILITY IN NOWAY IMPLIES SYMPATHY TOWARDS UNTRUTH!
11 June 2013 at 11:55 am
Mahesh: July 9th 1977 is good enough for us BUT the EXTRA instructions were for your
types:
SG — So full of pride and snobbery. It is any wonder that you feel that no one can go
back home in this life even though your spiritual master Srila Prabhupada clearly states
that one can with seriousness and sincerity.
” THE LESSON FROM THE LIFE OF DHRUVA MAHARAJA IS THAT IF ONE LIKES,
ONE CAN ATTAIN VAIKUNTHALOKA IN ONE LIFE, WITHOUT WAITING
FOR MANY OTHER LIVES. MY GURU MAHARAJ, SRI SRIMAD BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI
GOSWAMI PRABHUPADA, USED TO SAY THAT EVERY ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES COULD ATTAIN
VAIKUNTHALOKA IN THIS LIFE, WITHOUT WAITING FOR ANOTHER LIFE TO EXECUTE
DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. ONE SIMPLY HAS TO BECOME AS SERIOUS AND SINCERE AS
DHRUVA MAHARAJ; THEN IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE TO ATTAIN VAIKUNTHALOKA AND GO
BACK HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE.”
HARE KRSNA
SG you should try and UNDERSTAND that Dhruva Maharaj is not an ordinary – he OBEYED his guru. Rascals who reject Diksa Guru Srila Prabhupada order are apparadhis. Reject the clear instruction of July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order and you are FINISHED just like Gaudiya Math folks.
It requires OBEDIENCE to the ORDER of the Guru Srila Prabhupada. His Order is July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order.
ONE SIMPLY HAS TO BECOME AS SERIOUS AND SINCERE AS
DHRUVA MAHARAJ; THEN IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE TO ATTAIN VAIKUNTHALOKA AND GO
BACK HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE.”
Yes – it is possible ONLY for those who ACCEPT Srila Prabhupada as DIKSA Guru OTHERWISE
IF THEY REJECT JULY 9TH 1977 RITVIK ORDER THEY ARE DOOMED! The ANTI Ritviks have appointment with YAMARAJA – no question of missing the appointment Yamaduttas will come to transport them for judgement where they accept next material body of cats dogs hogs pigs snakes.
760729ar.par Conversations
Prabhupada:
yasya deve para bhaktir
yatha deve tatha gurau
tasyaite kathita hy arthah
prakasante mahatmanah
This desire to serve guru is the qualification. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau. In the spiritual life, this is the secret of success. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha… In many places. Our Gaudiya Matha people, those who were leaders, they wanted to supersede the order of Guru Maharaja. Therefore it was failure.
History repeats itself ISKCON imitated the Gaudiya Matha with multiple bogus diksa gurus:
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga, April 28, 1974
“You are right about Sridhara Maharaja’s genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, AT LEAST HE EXECUTES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.”
Devotees may like to read this :
http://prabhupadanugas.blogspot.in/
Touring Govindas Gardens Sedro Woolley Wa 2013
Youtube video of Prabhupadanuga’s Gardens at begin…
Pandava Nirjala Ekadasi Chant Hare Krsna and use all ones senses to serve …Prabhupadanugas Russia -Ritvik Initiation Ceremony… Prabhupadanugas Community USA
INTERPRETATION — The action of explaining the meaning of something:
“the interpretation of data”.
Srila Prabhupada defines it as :
” There is no question of interpretation. Then the authority is gone. As soon as you
interpret, there is no authority. Take a law book. Do you mean to say that in court,
if you say before the judge, “My dear lord, I interpret this passage in this way,” it
will be accepted? The judge will at once say, “Who are you to interpret? You have no
right.” After all, what would be the authority of the law book if everyone came and
said, “I interpret in this way”? When is interpretation required? When a thing is not
understood.
If I say “This is a watch” and everyone understands that “This is a watch, yes,” then where is the opportunity of interpreting that “This is a spectacle”? So unnecessary interpretation is not required, and that is not bona fide. And those who are interpreting unnecessarily — they should be rejected immediately. Immediately, without any consideration.
This exchange between His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and some of his disciples took place in Seattle, Washington, on October 10, 1968.”
INSTRUCTION — A direction or order
Srila Prabhupada defines it as :
“SRILA PRABHUPADA: “I may say many things to you, but when I say something directly,
“Do it”, your first duty is to do that. You cannot argue, “Sir, you said me like this before.”
No, that is not your duty. What I say now, you do it. That is obedience. If the captain of
the ship says “Five degrees starboard” and the first mate replies, “But captain, before you
told me ‘Ten degrees port’,” then it can be understood that the first mate has gone insane.
Lecture by Srila Prabhupada on the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Hyderabad, India, April 15, 1975.”
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Mahesh Raja says:
21 June 2013 at 6:11 pm.
SP — ONE SIMPLY HAS TO BECOME AS SERIOUS AND
SINCERE AS DHRUVA MAHARAJ; THEN IT IS QUITE
POSSIBLE TO ATTAIN VAIKUNTHALOKA AND GO BACK
HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE.”
MR — Yes – it is possible ONLY for those who ACCEPT
Srila Prabhupada as DIKSA Guru OTHERWISE IF THEY REJECT
JULY 9TH 1977 RITVIK ORDER THEY ARE DOOMED! The ANTI
Ritviks have appointment with YAMARAJA — no question
of missing the appointment Yamaduttas will come to
transport them for judgement where they accept next
material body of cats dogs hogs pigs snakes
SG — Did Srila Prabhupada say what you have said above ? No. He said ” become as serious and sincere as Dhura Maharaj”. Now what you have said above is what Srila Prabhupada would say as interpreting the words of a Guru. He did not say what you are saying. So, learn to accept the spoken words of the your spiritual master as he has said it, as it is. (As soon as you interpret, there is no authority – SP.)
Once you learn to understand this, the guru’s perspective on interpretation and instructions as defined above, you may want to read again, the July 9th 1977 letter.
HARE KRSNA
SG — Did Srila Prabhupada say what you have said above ? No. He said ” become as serious and sincere as Dhura Maharaj”.
Mahesh: “As serious and sincere AS DRUVA MAHARAJA. ”
Anti Ritviks don’t know the meaning of what it means to be “As serious and sincere AS DRUVA MAHARAJA. WHY? because they are situated in mode of IGNORANCE TAMOGUNA HENCE we TRY to explain OTHERWISE what is the need for explaining? Rot! enjoy your tamo guna .
1) WHAT makes you think you are “As serious and sincere AS DRUVA MAHARAJA”?
2) DO you KNOW what “As serious and sincere AS DRUVA MAHARAJA means?”
3) Have you got the SAME REALIZATION that Druva Maharaja has?
3) Does Lord Visnu TALK to YOU LIKE HE TALKED TO DRUVA MAHARAJA?
4) Do you know of the AUSTERITIES Druva underwent “As serious and sincere AS DRUVA MAHARAJA ” so WHAT is the level that YOU want to COMPARE to Druva Maharaja on the basis of “As serious and sincere AS DRUVA MAHARAJA “?
5) You Anti Ritviks are SAHAJIYAS (who take things cheaply).
740615rc.par Conversations
Yogesvara: “Is there some, any qualities, in the sense that some people have more receptivity towards the divine than other people?”
Prabhupada: Yes. That I explained, sattva-guna, rajo-guna, tamo-guna. Those who are in sattva-guna, they can understand easily. Those who are in rajo-guna, they have got difficulty. And those who are in tamo-guna, they cannot. (French)
SB 3.15.24 P Description of the Kingdom of God
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE, BUT IN THE HUMAN FORM ONE SHOULD AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF LIFE AND BEGIN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. It is said that the human form is a great boon because it is the most suitable boat for crossing over the nescience ocean. The spiritual master is considered to be the most able captain in that boat, and the information from the scriptures is the favorable wind for floating over the ocean of nescience. The human being who does not take advantage of all these facilities in this life is committing suicide. Therefore one who does not begin Krsna consciousness in the human form of life loses his life to the influence of the illusory energy. Brahma regrets the situation of such a human being.
JANME JANME PRABHU SEI One who has opened the eyes, he’ll remain my master LIFE AFTER LIFE.
760805BG.PAR Lectures
Devotee: If we don’t finish our Krsna consciousness in this life, how we come in contact with the guru in next life?
Prabhupada: Yes, that arrangement will be done, you go on with your business. We are singing this song daily. Why do you forget? Cakhu-dan dilo jei janme janme prabhu sei. One who has opened the eyes, he’ll remain my master life after life.
Note:IT IS SRILA PRABHUPADA THAT OPENED THE EYES. NOBODY can to get OUT of this material world by catching hold of CONDITIONED SOUL DOGS TAIL (bogus gbc “gurus”). There is an OCEAN of REPEATED births and deaths AS LONG AS WE ARE CONDITIONED WE HAVE TO ROTATE IN THIS OCEAN. That is THE REALITY. Face it!
Bg 7.14 P Knowledge of the Absolute
Another meaning of guna is rope; it is to be understood that the conditioned soul is tightly tied by the ropes of illusion. A man bound by the hands and feet cannot free himself–he must be helped by a person who is unbound. Because the bound cannot help the bound, the rescuer must be liberated. Therefore, only Lord Krsna, or His bona fide representative the spiritual master, can release the conditioned soul.
Madhya 22.65 T The Process of Devotional Service
sastra-yuktye sunipuna, drdha-sraddha yanra
‘uttama-adhikari’ sei taraye samsara
SYNONYMS
Madhya 22.65 The Process of Devotional Service
sastra-yuktye–in argument and logic; su-nipuna–very expert; drdha-sraddha–firm faith and confidence in Krsna; yanra–whose; uttama-adhikari–the topmost devotee; sei–he; taraye samsara–can deliver the whole world.
Madhya 22.65 The Process of Devotional Service
TRANSLATION
Madhya 22.65 The Process of Devotional Service
“One who is expert in logic, argument and the revealed scriptures and who has firm faith in Krsna is classified as a topmost devotee. He can deliver the whole world.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
In the Padma Purana, the characteristics of the guru, the bona fide spiritual master, have been described:
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
maha-bhagavata-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people.
Srila Prabhupada the Mahabhagavata DELIVERS:
nama om visnu-padaya krsna-presthaya bhu-tale
srimate bhaktivedanta-svamin iti namine
namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani-pracarine
nirvisesa-sunyavadi-pascatya-DESA-TARINE
Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanyadeva and DELIVERING the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.
SG. you need to understand the contents thoroughly of what you write which reads ;
” SP — ONE SIMPLY HAS TO BECOME AS SERIOUS AND SINCERE AS DHRUVA MAHARAJ; THEN IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE TO ATTAIN VAIKUNTHALOKA AND GO BACK HOME, BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE.”
Yes, indeed. In One Life, One may go back Home Back to Godhead. How ? For an example, you are ready to travel to New York, but, you are shortage of some money to buy the ticket to New York. As soon as you have completed that shortage, you are on your way to your destiny.
Similarly, in One Life time those serious and sincere Jivas may complete the Journey to attain Vaikunthaloka indicate strongly that they have attained and accumulated in their previous lives enough Sukiriti, ( Spiritual Assets) that they may enter in to Vaikunthaloka at the end of One Life Time by rendering Devotional service to the Lord.
That is how the above writing is understood. Hope it helps.
SG writes further in his comments ; (As soon as you interpret, there is no authority — SP.)
” Once you learn to understand this, the guru’s perspective on interpretation and instructions as defined above, you may want to read again, the July 9th 1977 letter.”
THEREFORE, SG and co., you people do not need to interpret July 9th letter according to your desired understanding as you wrote else where in your comments. To do so, is simply misleading and purely CHEATING as you write yourself ; ” (As soon as you interpret, there is no authority — SP.) ”
So, please stop CHEATING and getting CHEATED.
Hari BOL. OM TAT SAT.
Amar Puri Prabhu:THEREFORE, SG and co., you people do not need to interpret July 9th letter according to your desired understanding as you wrote else where in your comments. To do so, is simply misleading and purely CHEATING as you write yourself ; ” (As soon as you interpret, there is no authority — SP.) ”
Mahesh: Good point! so WHY do the Anti Ritviks want to intrepret ACCORDING TO THEIR MANIPULATION?
Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
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Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
77-07-09
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik
– representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant,
Approved:Tamala Krsna Gosvami
A.C. Bhaktivedanta SwamiSecretary to Srila Prabhupada
SIGNATURE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA IN ORIGINAL DOCUMENT
Dhruva maharaja worships pure devotees. The only way to go back even towards the vague direction of Vaikuntha is to worship a pure devotee. Worship of conditioned souls means, one remains conditioned, its very simple. You become what you worship. People who worship ghosts become a ghost, people who worship businessmen become one, people who worship fools become one, and so on, thus if you want to become pure, you have to worship someone else who is. Our proposal is that Srila Prabhupada is the pure person, exclusively. ys pd
The ANTI RITVIKS want to GET RID OF SRILA PRABHUPADA as DIKSA GURU so they can SCREW MONEY, PROPERTIES OF SRILA PRABHUPADA AND EXPLOIT OTHERS FOR SLAVERY(guru business).
ANTI Srila PRABHUPADA (Anti Ritviks) Enjoy now:PAY LATER by entering into bodies of lizards, snakes, hogs, dogs,worm in stool:
SB 4.29.73 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi
It is sometimes said that because a child is innocent he is completely pure. Actually this is not the fact. The effects of fruitive activities reserved in the subtle body appear in three concurrent stages. One is called bija (the root), another is called kuta-stha (the desire), and another is called phalonmukha (about to fructify). The manifest stage is called prarabdha (already in action). In a conscious or unconscious state, the actions of the subtle or gross bodies may not be manifest, but such states cannot be called the liberated state. A child may be innocent, but this does not mean that he is a liberated soul. Everything is held in reservation, and everything will become manifest in due course of time. Even in the absence of certain manifestations in the subtle body, the objects of sense enjoyment may act. The example has been given of a nocturnal emission, in which the physical senses act even when the physical objects are not manifest. The three modes of material nature may not be manifest in the subtle body, but the contamination of the three modes remains conserved, and in due course of time, it becomes manifest. Even if the reactions of the subtle and gross bodies are not manifest, one does not become free from the material conditions. Therefore it is wrong to say that a child is as good as a liberated soul.
740927SB.CAL Lectures
But people are doing that. Without being followed by the acarya, without being followed by the sastras, they become guru, they become swami, they become yogi. It is useless. You cannot get… Here are the process, process is given: tada rajas-tamo-bhavah kama… Tada means when you are fixed up in devotional service, then you can get out of these infections. These are infections. In… It is so dangerous infection. Infection, anyone can understand nowadays, scientific days. If you infect some disease, you have to suffer. You cannot escape. You infect today somehow or other. Not today, not tomorrow, but some day it will come out. It is called kutastha, phalonmukha, prarabdha, papa-bija. Papa-bija, remains as seed, kutastha. Then it is fructifying, phalonmukha. Then you suffer, prarabdha. This is called prarabdha-karma, infection.
You are under the complete subjugation of nature. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah. These gunaih. The prakrti is forcing you to work because you have infected a kind of guna. Karanam guna-sango ‘sya sad-asad-yoni-janmasu. Karanam. Why one man is born, one living entity is born as a very rich man and one is born as a dog? Sad-asad-yoni. Yoni means mother, and bija means father. Yatha yoni yatha bijah. So the every living entity is born–bija and yoni, father and mother. So why there are varieties? Nature is working. Why not one, one kind of living entities? No. Sad-asad-janma-yonisu. There are 8,400,000 of species. One has to take. Tatha dehantara-praptih. You have to change. But why one is in the lower grade birth, why in the higher grade? Now, karanam guna-sango ‘sya. These guna. These guna, sattva-guna, rajo-guna.
721106ND.VRN Lectures
Pradyumna: “It is stated in the Padma-Purana that there are four kinds of effects to sinful activities, which are listed as follows: (1) the effect which is not yet fructified, (2) the effect which is lying as seed, (3) the effect which is already mature, and (4) the effect which is almost mature. It is also stated that all these four effects…”
Prabhupada: Kuta-stha-bija, prarabdha… Like that. This is, these are the… Our effects. Just like we can understand in the modern… Just like if you infect some disease, it becomes immediately kuta-stha. Kuta-stha means stocked. In due course of time, it will come out, manifest. Similarly, we are acting so many sinful activities. Sometimes they complain that “This man is committing so many sinful activities, but he’s happy.” But actually he’s enjoying the effects of his past something pious. Now he’s happy, but that effect of the impious activities, that is in stock. It will come out in due course of time. That is called kuta-stha. Kuta-stha phalonmukha, prarabdha. These are the Sanskrit language. That is being explained here.
NOTE: Srila Prabhupada is a PURE VAISNAVA BRAHMANA AND TO USURP HIS PROPERTIES, MONEY, DISCIPLES MEANS: A person who takes away property which has either been awarded to a brahmana or given away by him is condemned to live for at least 60,000 years as miserably as an insect in stool.
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said: “Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; BUT IF ONE DRINKS THE POISON OF TAKING A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THE MISTAKE. The perfect example was King Nrga. He was very powerful and very pious, but due to the small mistake of unknowingly usurping a brahmana’s cow, he was condemned to the abominable life of a lizard. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; but the arani fire ignited by the spiritual potency of a brahmana can burn to ashes the whole family of a person who provokes such a brahmana.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) “IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER’S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND FOR TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BE SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”
Lord Krsna continued: “IF SOME FOOLISH KING WHO IS PUFFED UP BY HIS WEALTH, PRESTIGE AND POWER WANTS TO USURP A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT SUCH A KING IS CLEARING HIS PATH TO HELL; HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE HAS TO SUFFER FOR SUCH UNWISE ACTION. IF SOMEONE TAKES AWAY THE PROPERTY OF A VERY LIBERAL BRAHMANA WHO IS ENCUMBERED BY A LARGE DEPENDENT FAMILY, THEN SUCH A USURPER IS PUT INTO THE HELL KNOWN AS KUMBHIPAKA; NOT ONLY IS HE PUT INTO THIS HELL, BUT HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ALSO HAVE TO ACCEPT SUCH A MISERABLE CONDITION OF LIFE. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
Thus Lord Krsna, who is always engaged in purifying the conditioned living entities, gave instruction not only to His family members and the inhabitants of Dvaraka, but to all the members of human society.
NOTE: these bogus GBC RUBBER-STAMPED “gurus” destination:
Isopanisad 12
THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana–“One must worship the acarya”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
NOTE: ANTI RITVIK PROPAGANDISTS destination:
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
NOTE: ANTI- SRILA PRABHUPADA DIKSA GURU (ANTI RITVIKS) described:
Bg 16.19 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
tan aham dvisatah kruran
samsaresu naradhaman
ksipamy ajasram asubhan
asurisv eva yonisu
Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, are cast by Me into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.
PURPORT
In this verse it is clearly indicated that the placing of a particular individual soul in a particular body is the prerogative of the supreme will. The demoniac person may not agree to accept the supremacy of the Lord, and it is a fact that he may act according to his own whims, but his next birth will depend upon the decision of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and not on himself. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Third Canto, it is stated that an individual soul, after his death, is put into the womb of a mother where he gets a particular type of body under the supervision of superior power. Therefore in the material existence we find so many species of life–animals, insects, men, and so on. All are arranged by the superior power. They are not accidental. As for the demoniac, it is clearly said here that they are perpetually put into the wombs of demons, and thus they continue to be envious, the lowest of mankind. Such demoniac species of life are held to be always full of lust, always violent and hateful and always unclean. They are just like so many beasts in a jungle.
Amar Puri Prabhu:THEREFORE, SG and co., you people do not need to interpret July 9th letter according to your desired understanding as you wrote else where in your comments. To do so, is simply misleading and purely CHEATING as you write yourself ; ” (As soon as you interpret, there is no authority — SP.) ”
Mahesh: Good point! so WHY do the Anti Ritviks want to intrepret ACCORDING TO THEIR MANIPULATION ?
Mahesh Prabhu, you have given the reply very nicely yourself in one of your comment which reads as ;
” The ANTI RITVIKS want to GET RID OF SRILA PRABHUPADA as DIKSA GURU so they can SCREW MONEY, PROPERTIES OF SRILA PRABHUPADA AND EXPLOIT OTHERS FOR SLAVERY(guru business).
ANTI Srila PRABHUPADA (Anti Ritviks) Enjoy now:PAY LATER by entering into bodies of lizards, snakes, hogs, dogs,worm in stool:
SB 4.29.73 P Talks Between Narada and King Pracinabarhi ;
It is sometimes said that because a child is innocent he is completely pure. Actually this is not the fact. The effects of fruitive activities reserved in the subtle body appear in three concurrent stages. One is called bija (the root), another is called kuta-stha (the desire), and another is called phalonmukha (about to fructify). The manifest stage is called prarabdha (already in action). In a conscious or unconscious state, the actions of the subtle or gross bodies may not be manifest, but such states cannot be called the liberated state. A child may be innocent, but this does not mean that he is a liberated soul. Everything is held in reservation, and everything will become manifest in due course of time. Even in the absence of certain manifestations in the subtle body, the objects of sense enjoyment may act. The example has been given of a nocturnal emission, in which the physical senses act even when the physical objects are not manifest. The three modes of material nature may not be manifest in the subtle body, but the contamination of the three modes remains conserved, and in due course of time, it becomes manifest. Even if the reactions of the subtle and gross bodies are not manifest, one does not become free from the material conditions. Therefore it is wrong to say that a child is as good as a liberated soul.”
Thanks for posting the beautiful reply to your valid question.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
OM TAT SAT.
Anti Ritviks promote gbc voted CONDITIONED soul DEMONS who want to be WORSHIPED AS GOOD AS GOD (DIKSA GURU) instead of Srila Prabhupada THE bonafide DIKSA Guru:
Bg 16.4 T The Divine And Demoniac Natures
dambho darpo ‘bhimanas ca
krodhah parusyam eva ca
ajnanam cabhijatasya
partha sampadam asurim
SYNONYMS
dambhah–pride; darpah–arrogance; abhimanah–conceit; ca–and; krodhah–anger; parusyam–harshness; eva–certainly; ca–and; ajnanam–ignorance; ca–and; abhijatasya–one who is born of; partha–O son of Prtha; sampadam–nature; asurim–demoniac.
TRANSLATION
Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance–these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha.
PURPORT
In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. THE DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. They are always arrogant or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. Over trifles they become very angry and speak harshly, not gently. They do not know what should be done and what should not be done. They do everything whimsically, according to their own desire, and they do not recognize any authority. These demoniac qualities are taken on by them from the beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers, and as they grow they manifest all these inauspicious qualities.
Note: And when one of their CONDITIONED SOUL demon “guru” dies they put the carcass in salt grave and worship it. Samadhi? Nonsense! According to Bhagavad Gita it is called: MODE OF IGNORANCE.
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