httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_NMrbt8bUs#t=03m48s
Spiritual Perspective: A conversation with Sri Madhu Pandit Dasa – Part 2
Hare Krishna God brothers. Respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Whatever has happened in the past, it’s helpful for us to see that spiritually, we are ALL worms in the stool of the worms, and nothing more with no doubt. This is good perspective and position, with no denial as bases to make real and good progress.
However and again, Madhu Pandit Das has done a detrimental thing. Before, he tried to compromise the July 9 1977 order for initiations with Jayapataka. He also made Sri Krishna into a cartoon. Now, he is telling the whole world via you tube, that the guru ship of the veda vata ratas of ISKCON, can be taken up, to make spiritual progress toward Krishna! (you tube spiritual perspectives #2 minute 3:48) Also, ritivk Prabhupadanugas that have visited the Bangalore group of temples, have reported that the changed Gita is still being distributed by the Bangalore yatra as I write.
Many feel that the Bangalore group of temples, is to be admired and it actually is so, due to their great ability to get funds and manage those to build temples and do Real Estate business, etc. In fact, I have always felt that these devotees could really help much more our ritvik Prabhupadanuga movement that was started in 1977-1978 with mush risk and effort. However, the general perception now among many, is that these devotees should slow down and research more, before making statements as has been done in you tube not long ago. These not well researched statements, do not take into consideration the many years many rivitk Prabhupadanugas have sacrificed, to establish the clear distinction between Srila Prabhupada and the veda vata ratas, or rascal self made “gods” of the corrupt ISKCON.
What Srila Prabhupada has taught on the subject is directly opposed to the statements of Madhu Pandit Das. Srila Prabhupada states., “then your business is finished.” Lecture 10/8/74 “He is finished immediately.” “He is a demon.” “He is a rascal.” “is finished in the beginning.” Lecture, 4/7/74 “The master and his ward go to hell without a doubt.” S.B, 1.19.37 So please do the needful, so ideally, that you tube video be detracted. The perspectives of Krishna Kant and Sundar Gopal are much more accurate on the subject and we can learn from them.
This is why Istagsothi, (open, not secret discussion,) unity and cooperation are so important, so we may assist each other with the various strengths different ritvik Prabhupadanugas have. It looks like it will take even 5 years, (hopefully less) for us to follow the Srila Prabhupada orders on unity and cooperation. It’s all good. Good opportunity to practice tolerance and patience, a key quality any Vaisnava must have. Srila Prabhupada ki jai!!
Sincerely,
Mahatma Das
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6-LjbDjnSo#t=03m32s
Sudāmā: There also is the position of or some question is raised as to how to actually follow the authority. What is the authority between…?
Prabhupāda: Authority is your spiritual master. You do not know who is authority? Why this question is there? If one is initiated, then he accepted the authority. And if he does not follow the instruction of spiritual master, he is a rascal. He is defying the authority. That’s all.
Sudāmā: The question also is there: the authority is the spiritual master, but the via media to the spiritual master… The difference between, like we were discussing in the automobile of śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru.
Prabhupāda: Then so śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru… A śikṣā-guru who instructs against the instruction of spiritual, he is not a śikṣā guru. He is a demon. Śikṣā-guru, dīkṣā-guru means… Sometimes a dīkṣā-guru is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the śikṣā-guru. Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal.
Woman Devotee: People are instructing with these sessions?
Prabhupāda: (Ignoring question) Because that is offense. Guror avajñā. First offense is guror avajñā, defying the authority of guru. This is the first offense. So one who is offensive, how he can make advance in chanting? He cannot make. Then everything is finished in the beginning. Guror avajñā. Everything is there. If one is disobeying the spiritual master, he cannot remain in the pure status of life. He cannot be śikṣā-guru or anything else. He is finished, immediately. Guror avajñā śruti-śāstra-nindanam, nāmno balād yasya hi… You do not study all these things. You become initiated. There are ten kinds of offenses. Do you have any regard for these things or not? You must avoid these ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to disobey the orders of guru. That is first offense. So if you are offensive, how you can become advanced by chanting? That is also not possible.
http://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/bg/17/1-3/honolulu/july/04/1974
Second Video 3.32 to 3.54/ 4:27 Madhu Pandit Prabhu says, “…this is not the Ritvik System”
Mahesh: Sorry – to disagree with Madhu Pandit Prabhu – BUT it IS the RITVIK SYSTEM. Otherwise WHY does it state in the letter:
“RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION.
July
Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
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Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant,
Approved: Tamala Krsna Gosvami
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
[Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
Further evidence:
770719rc.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: And nobody is going to disturb you there. MAKE YOUR OWN FIELD AND CONTINUE TO BECOME RTTVIK AND ACT ON MY CHARGE. People are becoming sympathetic there. The place is very nice.
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Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
Note: Srila Prabhupada specifically appointed RITVIK Representatives FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. Srila Prabhupada being the founder AND the ACARYA of ISKCON is fully qualified to give us the RITVIK SYSTEM:
“Every acarya has a specific means of propagating his spiritual movement with the aim of bringing men to Krsna consciousness. Therefore, the method of one acarya may be different than that of another, but the ultimate goal is never neglected.”
(Sri Chaitanya-caritamrta,Adi-lila,7:37,purport)
“An acarya who comes for the service of the Lord cannot be expected to conform to a stereotype, for he must find the ways and means by which Krsna consciousness may be spread.”
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta,Adi-lila,7.31-32,purport)
“Srimad Viraghava Acarya, an acarya in the disciplic succession of the Ramanuja-sampradaya, has remarked in his commentary that candalas, or conditioned souls who are born in lower than sudra families, can also be initiated according to circumstances. The formalities may be slightly changed here and there to make them Vaisnavas.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4:8:54,purport)
Note: there no need to invent any new terms of description. The RITVIK SYSTEM is authorized BY Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
The name Madhu Prabhu attributes as “Prabhupada Acarya System” instead of the Ritvik System is just a JUGGLERY OF WORDS. Because this sort of words invite ANYONE in the system. Whereas RITVIK SYSTEM sends a VERY CLEAR message what they are following. The so-called “Prabhupada Acarya System” is just CONCOCTION. The RITVIK SYSTEM is CLEAR for anyone. NO COMPROMISE!
Now, the VERY BIG question is: the so-called “Prabhupada Acarya System” Madhu Pandit Prabhu INVENTED – is this meant as a COMPROMISE DEAL reached between Madhu Pandit Prabhu’s Bangalore ISKCON and the Anti Ritvik Mumbai ISKCON ?
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/we-are-not-ritviks-pada.html
[PADA: OK! We are not “the ritviks religion.” This was a concoction made by Krishna Kanta and the IRM, and the GBC took off with this over emphasis of a secondary term, and THEY called us “the ritviks.” And then we had to spend a lot of time fighting off this false designation. What kind of religion calls itself “the priest religion”? This really is never done, people emphasize their acharyas, not the priests? This was a bad idea from the get go, and we warned Krishna Kanta of this very pitfall.
Right! Madhu Pandit is correct, we are the followers of Prabhupada as the acharya aka the Prabhupadanugas. We are not the ritvik-anugas? This is a total concoction, no religion calls itself the priest religion either? The priest is the agent, he is not the main component?
Mahesh: Who says about following Ritvik Religion? We are talking about THE SYSTEM. You have just CHANGED the ISSUE in order to please Madhu Pandit Prabhu. Others ALSO say you just FOLLOW BLINDLY ANYTHING Madhu Pandit Prabhu says WITHOUT QUESTION. I have NO HATE for Madhu Pandit Prabhu BUT HE IS WRONG.
If you look CAREFULLY the issue AGAIN it is about RITVIK **SYSTEM**. It is about *** THE SYSTEM***. We are following THE RITVIK SYSTEM as AUTHORISED by Srila Prabhupada as per July 9th 1977 Order.
ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT.
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
COMMON-SENSE can tell you that “The name Madhu Pandit Prabhu attributes as “Prabhupada Acarya System” instead of the Ritvik System is just a JUGGLERY OF WORDS. Because THIS sort of words invite ANY ANTI RITVIK CROOK in the SYSTEM. Whereas RITVIK SYSTEM sends a VERY CLEAR UNCOMPROMISING message what EXACTLY they are following. THE DESCRIPTION IS THERE. NOBODY NEEDS TO LOOK IT UP. IT CLEAR AS DAYLIGHT. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GROPE IN THE DARK TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE FOLLOWING.
THE VERY WORDS -****RITVIK SYSTEM***- DOES NOT ALLOW -ANY- ROOM FOR COMPROMISE.
Do you get this FACT?
If those ANTI RITVIK GOONS in ISKCON say they are ALL following “The Prabhupada Acarya System” – where is the DISTINCTION between THEM and US? They ALL say Srila Prabhupada is Acarya. So WHERE is the DIFFERENCE between THEM and US. It becomes all HODGE-PODGE invites ALL ANTI RITVIK GOONS under the SAME umbrella.
IT IS -NECESSARY- TO MAKE A VERY CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE GOONS AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW JULY 9TH 1977 RITVIK SYSTEM. And Srila Prabhupada HAS done this as per July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order:
“RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION”.
It is THE RITVIK SYSTEM – NO COMPROMISE!
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Hare Krishna Prabhus
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
I agree with Mahesh Raja prabhu.
Yes it’s just a JUGGLERY OF WORDS by Madhu Pandit Dasa
Seems he wants to compromise with BOGUS GBC and BOGUS GURUS
http://www.iskcontimes.com/we-are-not-following-ritvik-system-we-are-following-prabhupadacharya-system/
Madhu Pandit Prabhu: In fact we shouldn’t even call this a ritvik system. We have to call it the Prabhupada-acharya system. We are from the Acharya sampradaya just like Madhvacharya and Ramanujacharya sampradayas. We are following Prabhupadacharya system.
Mahesh: The ONLY AUTHORITY to INITIATE is VERY CLEARLY BASED ON the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order. This IS the RITVIK SYSTEM. Clear as DAYLIGHT. Either they have to accept it OR deny it. There is NO OTHER AUTHORITY to initiate in ISKCON. There was NO ORDER other than the Ritvik System Order.
If you ask them WHAT their AUTHORITY for Initiation IS BASED ON? They MUST produce Ritvik July 9th 1977 ORDER. The RITVIK SYSTEM is addressed to : Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents.
Furthermore, even MANY early devotees tell us that THIS letter of JULY 9TH 1977 OF THE RITVIK SYSTEM was HIDDEN from them:
TESTIMONY from Damagosa Prabhu:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=15108
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TESTIMONY from Yasodanandan Prabhu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD_YAGOA6ao
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WHY do a DRESS-UP job by giving another name? Srila Prabhupada says, BECOME RTTVIK AND ACT ON MY CHARGE:
770719rc.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: And nobody is going to disturb you there. MAKE YOUR OWN FIELD AND CONTINUE TO BECOME RTTVIK AND ACT ON MY CHARGE. People are becoming sympathetic there. The place is very nice.
Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
—
Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION
Madhu Pandit Prabhu: Either the institution system should be there or guru system should be there. When Prabhupada was there, both were one.
Mahesh: Correct. And the THE RITVIK SYSTEM July 9th 1977 letter is ADDRESSED TO : Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents. So—- this is the JOB for the GBC and TEMPLE PRESIDENTS to carry out in the INSTITUTION: RITVIK SYSTEM IS THE INSTITUION SYSTEM.
DRESS-UP job to call it “Prabhupadacharya-system” invention is NOT required. EVIDENCE to INITIATE REQUIRES the July 9th 1977 RITVIK SYSTEM. YOU CANNOT HIDE THIS:
THERE SHOULD BE NO DUPLICITY. SATO VRTTEH MEANS PLAIN DEALING, STRAIGHT DEALING. July the 9th 1977 Ritvik System is NOT about doing a dress-up job and inventing new names.
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR DUTIES AS THEY ARE PRESCRIBED. SATO VRTTEH. YOU SHOULD NOT… THERE SHOULD BE NO DUPLICITY. SATO VRTTEH MEANS PLAIN DEALING, STRAIGHT DEALING.
681129BG.LA Lectures
So utsahad dhairyan niscayat. The first principle is one must be very enthusiastic. He must believe that Krsna has said that, na me bhaktah pranasyati, “My devotee will never be vanquished.” So “Let me becomes Krsna’s devotee sincerely. I must become Krsna’s devotee sincerely.” This is called enthusiasm. Then dhairyat. “I have become Krsna’s devotee, but still I’m not feeling happy. How is that?” So therefore you have to become patient. The enthusiasm must be there, you must be patient also. And niscayat. Niscayat means you must be confident. “Oh, Krsna has said that His devotee will never be vanquished, so surely I shall not be vanquished, even though I don’t feel now. Let me do my duty.” Utsahad dhairyan niscayat tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR DUTIES AS THEY ARE PRESCRIBED. SATO VRTTEH. YOU SHOULD NOT… THERE SHOULD BE NO DUPLICITY. SATO VRTTEH MEANS PLAIN DEALING, STRAIGHT DEALING. Sato vrtteh, and sadhu-sange, and in the company of devotees. So one must be enthusiastic, one must be patient, one must be confident, one must execute the duties, one must associate with devotees, and one must be very honest in dealing. Six things. If these six things are there, sure success.
SATO VRTTEH MEANS DEALINGS MUST BE VERY HONEST. NO DUPLICITY. VERY FRANK, PLAIN.
721024ND.VRN Lectures
Utsahan dhairyat. By patience. Not that “I am working so hard for Krsna, but I’m not getting any impetus.” No. Don’t be impatient. Krsna will give you chance. He’s giving chance always, twenty-four hours, imperceptibly. But we cannot appreciate very much. Krsna sees. As far as we are able, according to our strength, He gives responsibility. But we must be… Rest assured, when we have taken shelter of the lotus feet of Krsna fully, without any reservation, Krsna must be pleased; maybe it will take some time. This is called niscayad, certainty, assurance. Utsahan dhairyat niscayad tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. You have to execute the routine prescribed duties. Tat-tat-karma-pravartanat. You cannot go against the principles of devotional service. With patience, you must execute. Tat-tat-pravartanat. Sato vrtteh. SATO VRTTEH MEANS DEALINGS MUST BE VERY HONEST. NO DUPLICITY. VERY FRANK, PLAIN. Sato vrtteh, sadhu-sange, and in association of devotees. Sadbhir bhaktir pranasya…, uh, prasidhyati. In this way, our propensity for, of love for Krsna will increase.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Hare Krsna
I have read the comments between PADA and Mahesh Raja Prabhu:
http://krishna1008.blogspot.hu/2017/02/mahesh-raja-replies-we-are-not-ritviks.html
I am shocked:
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PADA to Mahesh Raja:
“PADA’s idea prevails”
“As for word jugglery, you are posting as “Prabhupadanuga,” which means, you stole the term we used first in the early 1980s! And all sorts of our same pals came out then, and told me that our Prabhupadanuga title was bogus, when we first brought it out. Well sorry, it was gradually accepted and so will “Prabhupada acharya” be accepted. ”
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PADA: You said that its wrong to call ourselves the Prabhupada acharya system? Great, except we are the Prabhupada acharya system?
Mahesh: Puranjan Prabhu, you are missing the point. Here read this AGAIN:
Madhu Pandit Prabhu: IN FACT WE SHOULDN’T EVEN CALL THIS A RITVIK SYSTEM .
Now, BECAUSE of this ABOVE statement devotees are ASKING that if THIS is NOT the Ritvik System then WHAT EXACTLY is the system that Madhu Pandit Prabhu following? To be SPECIFIC Is he BACK-TRACKING from the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order? Has he now got a secret compromise deal with the bogus GBC and Bogus gurus AND THEREFORE come up with the name “Prabhupada acharya system” in order to INCLUDE THEIR CONCOCTION?
THESE are the points what Madhu Pandit Prabhu NEEDS to address. He has to CLARIFY. This CLARIFICATION has to come FROM Madhu Pandit Prabhu himself and NOT from YOU Puranjana Prabhu BECAUSE you are just A THIRD PARTY. What YOU say on his behalf is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT UNLESS HE APPOINTS YOU AS HIS SPOKESMAN. It is Madhu Pandit Prabhu who has made the statement: Madhu Pandit Prabhu has to clarify.
Ram Das: Seems he wants to compromise with BOGUS GBC and BOGUS GURUS
Mahesh: this is EXACTLY what MANY devotees now think also. BUT we have to give Madhu Pandit Prabhu THE BENEFIT TO ADDRESS AND CLARIFY the above points. Will he do it?
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Puranjana Prabhu:….” Well sorry, it was gradually accepted and so will “Prabhupada acharya” be accepted.”
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada is not only the Acarya. Srila Prabhupada is the founder AND Acarya of ISKCON you can see the FRONT of any of his books – FACT! Is this not obvious? Why say “Prabhupada acharya” be accepted.?
And by the way—- it is respectful to say SRILA Prabhupada Acarya system NOT SIMPLY Prabhupada Acarya System:
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Prabhupada: We get full sunshine. Yes.
Guest (1): Prabhupada, what is the meaning of the word Srila?
Prabhupada: Srila is… just like we say “Sri” to the ordinary person. And Srila to very respectable person.
Guest (1): La.
Prabhupada: La, yes. Sri means beauty, and la means lila. So “ONE WHO IS INVESTED WITH BOTH BEAUTY AND THE POWER TO UNDERSTAND THE LILA OF KRSNA.”
Note: Let us try AGAIN to see if the message is getting thru……
Bg 2.25 P Contents of the Gita Summarized
REPETITION OF SOMETHING IS NECESSARY IN ORDER THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE MATTER THOROUGHLY, WITHOUT ERROR.
BUT what the issue HERE IS let me repeat this AGAIN:
Madhu Pandit Prabhu: IN FACT WE SHOULDN’T EVEN CALL THIS A RITVIK SYSTEM .
Now, BECAUSE of this ABOVE statement devotees are ASKING that if THIS is NOT the Ritvik System then WHAT EXACTLY is the system that Madhu Pandit Prabhu following? To be SPECIFIC Is he BACK-TRACKING from the July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order? Has he now got a secret compromise deal with the bogus GBC and Bogus gurus AND THEREFORE come up with the name “Prabhupada acharya system” in order to INCLUDE THEIR CONCOCTION?
HEAR what devotees SAY of the statement:
Ram Das: Seems he wants to compromise with BOGUS GBC and BOGUS GURUS
Madhu Pandit Prabhu has to CLARIFY this. Not Puranjana Prabhu, Not Marica not this body not that body etc etc etc. It is Madhu Pandit Prabhu who made THIS statement THEREFORE he has to clarify.
IF the “Prabhupada Acarya System” proposed by Madhu Pandit Prabhu is DEVOID OF acceptance July 9th 1977 Ritvik System Order as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions THEN—- it IS A CONCOCTION. THAT is my point. If he has BACK-TRACKED on July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order, COMPROMISED with the bogus gurus and bogus GBC’s that is NOT acceptable. THEN this so-called Prabhupada Acarya System is nothing more then word Jugglery. Madhu Pandit Prabhu has to CLARIFY where EXACTLY he stands. WE DO NOT WANT SOMETHING VAGUE. IT HAS TO BE CLEAR -AND- COMING FROM HIM.
NOW – do you UNDERSTAND?
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
pamho agtACBSP,
BHISMASTAMI KI JAI,
is not a easy task at all to get rid of maha maya in becoming free again as we can see from the intricate spiritual journey of HG madhu pandit das,SRI MAYA DEVI is very clever in checking the pure bhakti seva and the contaminate service in such way that nobody can go back to SRI KRSNA with the anarthas created by the mental speculation through that missing lava matra not connected to SRI BHAKTI DEVI i mean we must learned how to engage all the 24 hrs of the day without space out with the material mind ,
anyway the last trap of MAHA MAYA is to make the sadhaka to believe that he is god through the beginning of the corrupted SRILA PRABHUPADA achaya system that got nothing to do with SP final lesson where SP said that if one engage himself in senses gratification the result is very bad and all these new inventions on something that is not in the system is part of the senses gratification but in a subtly way and when the invention become completely visible in the gross way it start to give the fructive activities which will give suffering because SP said our life is very simple because we go nothing to manufactor i mean everything is already there accept it as it is then we are within the parampara system
agtSP
ys haribol
‘Ritvik”?,yes! That was Srila Prabhupada’s answer to the question in regards to the technical Sanskrit name giving to a DISPENSABLE assistant to the Acharya. Srila Prabhupada was not directly providing the Sanskrit name that appeared various times in his purports,but the FUNCTION of the “officiating Acharya”. “I will recommend some of you to ACT as officiating Acharya”. Selected representatives are not to be direct representatives of Krsna,as a direct representative of Krsna must have a direct first hand relationship with Krsna,but a representative of the Spiritual Master in matters of the vetting and admission process for formal initiation. It is an eternal matter of spiritual connection, and a novice or a non-liberated person who is still on the probationary period,can not directly award liberation to another on the probationary period of spiritual realization. You can approach the spiritual master directly but to approach Krsna directly it must be done either in his Deity form for practical Puja or the form as the Holy names, though whom “he has made himself available”,by vibration and hearing connection.
pamho agtACBSP,
SRI RAMANUJACARYA TIROBHAVA MAHOTSAVA KI JAI, DASAMI KI JAI,
LORD BRAHMA received mukti liberation through the sound the thought and the manasa seva on SRI KRSNA SABDA BRAHMA coming out as tapa austerity that’s was the first instruction to LORD BRAHMA by SRI KRSNA tene brahma hrdaye adi kavaye muyanti yat suryah LORD brahma the first living being got the divyan jnana transmitted in his heart directily by SRI ANTARYAMI,
SRILA PRABHUPADA also say that the hearing the thought and the meditation can bring even a kanistha adhikari to a rapid spiritual progress,all the spiritual power come from the instructions of a pure devotees in the form of transcendental sound vibration a maha bhagavata devotee never die but is still living in the pure sound vibration,the divyan jnana is been always transmitted in the heart of the soul by the purity and the power of the sound vibration without the imperfections of the temporary saguna form
the bible also said in the beginning there was only the sound that sound is with god that sound is god, all the subtly forms can be perceive in the ether through the sound vibration,SRILA PRABHUPADA became eternal by accepting the transcendental sound vibration on the instruction of SBSST as the goal of HIS life and we are trying to do the same without getting involve with the illegal guru hoaxers
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