Aug 11 2013 | Jayasri Radha Devi Dasi (FACEBOOK): Today was the ISKCON Disciples Course, which they say that the GBC is going to make compulsory. These are not my words…I am passing along the message. Hari bol! And they said the following siddhantas:
* Duty of ISKCON Guru is simply to take you to Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada will do the rest.
* One should not listen to anyone who is not in our line. This includes anyone from the Gaudiya Math, because the Gaudiya Math has now become “asara” (useless).* The purpose of Diksha within ISKCON is to strengthen ones relationship with Srila Prabhupada. The relationship with Krishna will be taken care of by Srila Prabhupada.
* That it is the personal responsibility of candidates for initiation to correctly choose BY THE EXERCISE OF THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE a particular devotee as spiritual master.
* The Gayatri Mantra offered to the disciple by an ISKCON Guru is done as a formal service to Srila Prabhupada.
Some other things which are not in the ISKCON disciples manual but were spoken directly/indirectly during the course session today:
* Even if your guru falls, you are safe in ISKCON because you have been connected to the parampara by him when he was in good standing. Prabhupada takes care of the rest.
* The ultimate connection to Lord Krishna in ISKCON is done by Srila Prabhupada. The guru simply has to bring you to Prabhupada.
* The role of the shiksha guru (temple authorities), diksha guru and all other gurus is to take you to Srila Prabhupada.
Hari Prasad dasa
It seems to me the GBC is supposed to use THEIR intelligence in order to prevent unqualified devotees from “giving diksa” to those newcomers who have not yet been educated with the information that would even allow them to make an intelligent decision.
The best advice to newcomers is to your intelligence and walk away until they get it straight.
Ritvik in Srila Prabhupada’s temples.
You wanna play Diksa guru, start your own asrama.
(The Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 3)
These sense gratifying rascals want the perks of being a guru like Srila Prabupada (adored/respected/honored/clothed/housed/transported/worshiped as good as God), but they only want the responsibilities of being a ritvik (priest). Instead of working on becoming spiritually advanced, they work on becoming expert at pretending to be spiritually advanced! But eventually, they reveal their true nature:
(Krishna Conciousness, The Matchless Gift, Chapter 3)
Because of the bad karma of cheating others, these ISKCON “gurus” are actually becoming more and more fallen, while many of their “envious godbrothers,” whom they have forced to take the humble position, are actually making spiritual advancement because of their continuing to follow the process while in a humble state of mind.
Basically what they say is that their guru system is ritvik. So starting from 1978 there is a constant climb-down from what they originally called: Our gurus are full-fledged diksha-guru acaryas, Prabhupada’s successors.
Just like a putting up a big front and gradually it deteriorates and at one point people can see behind the curtain. They won’t say anything, just wait till people see for themselves.
Their logic is like that. Although people will eventually see that their gurus are not qualified for this position, still nothing will change. Things will go on because their followers are happy to be in ISKCON no matter if their gurus are genuine or false.
There won’t be any uproar, things will go on as if nothing has happened. The prabhupadanugas will eventually realize, wait, for these type of neophyte devotees it is of no difference. They even might worship Lord Shiva or Lord Ganesha. What can be done, this is kali-yuga?
Meanwhile all Prabhupadanugas became accustomed to live on their own, they never would join a temple or live inside ISKCON no matter what. They never surrender to any elected bona fide GBC and perform missionary activities cooperatively. Puranjana is a brilliant Prabhupadanuga but can he manage a temple with 50 devotees – what to speak of ISKCON NA? So this is not so easy.
Unless we surrender to Prabhupada’s system of working under authorized GBC there won’t be unity, equality nor fraternity. Any suggestion?
Bhaktin Hari Priya dd says: Meanwhile all Prabhupadanugas became accustomed to live on their own, they never would join a temple or live inside ISKCON no matter what. They never surrender to any elected bona fide GBC and perform missionary activities cooperatively. Puranjana is a brilliant Prabhupadanuga but can he manage a temple with 50 devotees — what to speak of ISKCON NA? So this is not so easy. Unless we surrender to Prabhupada’s system of working under authorized GBC there won’t be unity, equality nor fraternity. Any suggestion?
There is no need for any of Srila Prabhupada’s pre-1978 disciples to take up management positions within ISKCON. Srila Prabhupada obviously wanted these management positions to be constantly turned over to “new blood,” because he ordered all of his male disciples to take vanaprastha (retire) at age 50. How do we take vanaprastha? We follow Prabhupada’s divine example and turn our family/management responsibilities over to our grown-up sons, leave home, live alone in a small apartment, and don’t look back!
ISKCON should have been turned over to the 2nd generation long ago, but the current leaders, like typical tyrannical dictators, are cursed to have to hang on to their positions of authority/management burdens on into their old age lest they be brought to justice for their crimes. But, one-by-one, Lord Sri Krishna is forcing them to give up their positions through the agency of senility, mental instability, disease and death.
What do you think, Mother Hari Priya Prabhu?
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Prabhupadanuga means following the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada and surrender to Srila Prabhupada’s system of working with or without the authorized GBC in case the qualified GBC not found.
The Unity and Equality in terms of respecting the followers of Srila Prabhupada among themselves must prevail because all of Srila Prabhupada disciples are supposed to be rendering SELFLESS service for furthering the cause of the mission of the HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
As long as we keep these simple principles in mind without any selfish motive ( ego), the mission of Srila Prabhupada shall continue for the 10,000 years as predicted by Srila Prabhupada.
Hope it meets you well, BHP dd.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Pratyatosa Dasa (ACBSP) says:
12. August 2013 at 12:43 pm
“Why is it that highly intelligent Hansadutta Prabhu, one of Srila Prabhupada’s
closest associates, member of the GBC body, and BBT Trustee, could understand
what Srila Prabhupada’s July, 9, 1977 letter meant the second he received it.”
SG – Yes, but just about a year plus before :
Letter to Bhagavan — Tokyo 27 January, 1975:
In his last letter, Hamsaduta said as follows: I am exhausted, my brain is
exhausted, I do not know what to do, so you can just tell me what I should
do and I shall do that . . . I cannot understand your mind or actions, I do
not know what you divine grace wants, or what you want from me. So, at this
moment I am just going to sit and chant till I hear from you, because everything
till now has come out wrong, so please just instruct me what to do. Sorry to be
the bearer of bad news again. Please forgive me, I am so helpless and spiritually
weak. Please save me. What more can I say, please save me. In India you said,
“Every rumor contains a grain of truth.” So the police, the karmis, newspapers
must also bear a grain of Truth. I feel discouraged now. All my godbrothers and
your Divine Grace are dissatisfied with me, so I have lost my enthusiasm.
Letter to Hamsaduta — Dallas 29 July, 1975:
Regarding your being depressed, you are becoming older, but so also am I an
old man. But, you should not be depressed on account of advanced age. Krishna
will help you. I do not think you have done wrongly in your management, and
still now I do not think you have done wrongly. Rather you are wrongly depressed.
But, for you this feeling of insufficiency is good for progress. No one should
think that now I am complete. It is good to think that I am incomplete and useless.
Actually Krishna is unlimited, and our energy is limited. Actually we cannot serve
the unlimited, but Krishna’s unlimited mercy induces us to serve, and He accepts.
Actually we are unworthy. He is so kind that He accepts our little service as if
it were very big and great.
HD — “I distinctly remember when I received the July 9, 1977, letter in Sri Lanka
that it was clear to me that this letter was Srila Prabhupada’s arrangement for
initiations for the future. I also remember feeling some disappointment with the
obvious conditional authority that the “Rtvik representative of the Acarya” designation
implied, because I actually had a great desire to be a Guru like Srila Prabhupada,
and I think many of the leaders did have similar desires.
SG – And so the 11 unqualified merry men, senior disciples of Srila Prabhupada got
together and declared themselves as ‘zonal’ acaryas of Iskcon. Hansadutta dasa is
still around but till todate has not told us how he and his 10 other senior godbrothers
got together and conspired to take over Iskcon, who was the mastermind behind
it, how and who were the rest of the GBC members who were part of it?
Hansadutta dasa should reveal everything about the zonal acarya episode, truthfully
and his sincere opinion about what he really, really thinks about the bogus post samadhi
ritvik initiation and the ritviks declaring themselves as Srila Prabhupada’s initiated disciples.
HARE KRSNA
SG writes: “Hansadutta dasa should reveal everything about the zonal acarya episode, truthfully
and his sincere opinion about what he really, really thinks about the bogus post samadhi
ritvik initiation and the ritviks declaring themselves as Srila Prabhupada’s initiated disciples.”
It is clearly well known and understood that Hanasdutta dasa has had a strong desire of not following and accepting the instructions of HDG Srila Prabhupada because he was desirous to become a guru like Srila Prabhupada accepting his own disciples despite the warning given by Srila Prabhupada.
Did Hansadutta dasa take the heed then? NO. What he did, was that he did cooperate with rest of the gang to fullfill his desire as long as it did last. We all know that. There is no secret to it.
As SG does not follow and accept the instructions of initiation of HDG Srila Prabhupada in his spiritual institution ISKCON world wide as Hansadutta did not accept as well in order to fulfill his desire to become guru accepting his own disciples in Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual institution ISKCON despite Srila Prabhupada’s warning.
Therefore, what else is there for the explanation so that SG may accept the initiation instructions given by Srila Prabhupada ??????
A cheater is a cheater and remains a CHEATER.
So, SG chooses to follow and subscribes to the CHEATER gurus of all sorts instead of following and accepting the initiation instructions given by Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The whole story has already been “revealed”, partially through Hansaudda, and the rest through many others. You just weren’t in the right places at the right time to hear the story.
And Hansadutta has been more than clear about his opinions, written on various websites other than his own, over the last 10 years.
SG, you need to do your own homework via google search, Hansaudutta owes you nothing.
Finally, your use of Hansaudtta’s letter to support your “Yes BUT” answer to Pratyatosa das, was poorly thought out. That letter shows a definite example of exactly how Hansadutta das was able to grasp the truth about Ritvik.
Srila Prabhupada himself CONFIRMS that the sentiments in Hansadutta’s letter are an indication that he is rightly situated.
“But, for you this feeling of insufficiency is good for progress. No one should
think that now I am complete. It is good to think that I am incomplete and useless.”
Hansadutta was capable of humbly admitting his faults and shortcomings, and therefore received the Guru’s mercy and the Lord’s grace.
You should try it sometime.
Hare Krsna
Hansadutta said that when the other 10 wanted to run off to start building their Vyasasanas right away, Satsvarupa stood up and said, we are not going to pull this off unless we all have the same answers to the same questions. So SDG helped them by making “mock debates” so they would be ready for, ok people like us and our questions. They had to hammer their whole thing out over awhile, and so they took several days to do that first, and SDG was the master of asking questions and he also penned many of their original documents, including (along with co-authors Jayadvaita and Jaggadish) the very offensive 1980 paper “The Mahajanas Have Difficulties.” ys pd
We all now that when it got to the point Prabhupada would be tough as nails, hard hitting, zero compromise, Manu-samhita.
Q:Your husband is a useless moron?
A:You have to wash his clothes no matter what.
Q:Your government is telling you to go to Vietnam although 51,000 coffins with young US soldiers returned already?
A:Move your ass – you have to surrender.
Q:Your GBC is in maya?
A:He still is your authority, Krishna will take care.
etc., etc.
Same here, Prabhupada’s eleven men (Prabhupada would talk to nobody else except these eleven GBC) made a transgression and falsely assumed the position of acarya.
Not realy something minor, but still, they were Prabhupada’s personally chosen secretaries/leaders whom he intended to entrust the management of global ISKCON.
They were ultimate managerial authority so to speak. So what we mainly all did, not to question these leaders but to simply do what they say, no matter it is right or wrong. Prabhupada: When you do what your government orders, then how can you be responsible?
If you follow a corrupt GBC, GBC is getting bad karma, not you. Ultimately when everybody would have been doing this, stay in ISKCON, surrender no matter what, Krishna would have corrected all those deviations. This is in sum and substance what Prabhupada taught. “And as soon as you get into Krishna consciousness, then Krishna takes care of you.” (May 6 1970, Los Angeles)
When it comes having kicked out tons of senior devotees, present ISKCON leaders state this is false testimony, nobody was told to leave. All these devotees left on their own decision.
In sum, time is ripe for all to rejoin and solve things from within. Reform will go faster and more efficient since Krishna helps those who sincerely want to please Prabhupada. Those who believe, no, we have to wait till present ISKCON residents are removed so that we can move into an empty ISKCON, please wake up! This might happen in your dreams only?
Haripriya Dasi says: When it comes having kicked out tons of senior devotees, present ISKCON leaders state this is false testimony, nobody was told to leave. All these devotees left on their own decision.
They are lying. For a Ritvik to even visit an ISKCON temple is dangerous. Former ISKCON Detroit temple president and former member of the GBC, Naveen Krishna Prabhu, told me that when he visited an ISKCON temple in India he was served “prasadam” containing poison! I myself showed symptoms of heavy metal poisoning when regularly eating the “prasadam” at ISKCON Hillsborough, North Carolina. Ever since I started doing all of my own cooking, my health has improved dramatically.
In American ISKCON temples, I have personal experience. If you even quote Srila Prabhupada on the ritvik or poison issues, they may not kick you out onto the street, but they will tell you to leave and give you a bus ticket to another city. If you refuse to go, they will even call the police and have you escorted off of the temple property!