Hansadutta das: on the Poison Issue

Hansadutta das: on the Poison Issue

Hansadutta das: on the Poison Issue
Forwarded from PADA – Puranjana das

From Hansadutta (HD)

Hansadutta: “Anyone like Puranjan) can say anything, right or wrong, without presenting evidence, and there are no consequences. Not only Puranjan but anyone, whatever one may say, right or wrong …. there’s no consequences.”        —– ??? —–

Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible. [(((audio)))]

416: Tamal Krishna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him. [(((audio)))]
417: Bhakticharu: Yes. [(((audio)))]
418: Tamal Krishna: That was the mental distress. [(((audio)))]
419: Bhakticharu: Yes. [(((audio)))]
Bhakticaru: Someone gave him poison here. [(((audio)))]
Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him. [(((audio)))]
Bhakticaru: YES!!!
Tamala Krsna: That was the mental distress. [(((audio)))]
Bhakticaru: YES!!!
Kaviraja: If he says that, there must definitely be some truth to it. (Hindi) [(((audio)))]

Kaviraja: speaks in Hindi…..
Tamala Krsna: Put poison in different containers
. That’s all right.
Audio Clip in MP3 Format – [(((audio)))]

[PADA: Problem here is, Srila Prabhupada is the person who says he is being poison and not us? The reason so many people have accepted the poison issue is — because of the statements of the pure devotee, not because we happened to forward his statements. Since Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, that is good enough for most of us.]

HD: Therefore there will never be any action taken on any issue.

[PADA: Sorry, there is a lot of action being taken on all these issues. Many people are reading, getting up to speed, agreeing and getting involved. More and more sites are promoting the poison issue, and its statements and evidences, so its spreading around and has ever since it was publicly announced by us in 1997.]

HD: So it is useless, it is a Caffee Klatch. You know the Germans are fond of “die Kaffee Stube” (coffee bar)….. old ladies go there, sit around, drink coffee and eat pastries and ” KUCHEN “. Show off their latest dress or hat…. jewlery….. Actually the whole internet is like that Kaffee Klatching (coffee gossip) for different groups… politicals, economists, socialists, survivalists, .. on and on…. no result.

[PADA: Well maybe, except almost everyone writes about the ritviks, the poison issue, the bogus guru’s issue, maybe because, these are serious issues?]

HD: Let’s just consider Puranjan, he has no authority from Prabhupada to do what he is doing.

[PADA: Right, we did not declare ourselves to be messiahs and then take percodans, drink schnops, have illicit sex with a bunch of women, shoot guns at occupied buildings, burn Berkeley temple to the ground, promote homosexuals as messiahs, ad infinitum. That has been “authorized by Prabhupada,” because that is what Hansadutta was doing? Where does Hansadutta derive his authority from?]

HD: He never had any responsible service while Prabhupada was here, he was not a Sankirtan, book distributor, he has opened no temple ever, he has probably never recruited a single devotee.

[PADA: Well that is how the Gaudiya Matha criticized Srila Prabhupada, he was “not a big devotee.” He did no substantial service blah blah blah. None of that matters, we said acharyas are not deviants, and we are right. It does not matter if we are the temple’s dog, we are right.]

[…] Now lets just take a few points made by Puranjan….”Jesus Christ was killed….”

[PADA: Once again Hansadutta cannot put one foot in front of the other? The person who says Jesus Christ was killed is Srila Prabhupada, not us. Hansadutta thinks that statements made by Srila Prabhupada are being made by us, because he never took the time to actually read what Srila Prabhupada says. And Srila Prabhupada SAYS — just as Jesus was killed they may kill me also. That’s NOT what we said? So this is called straw man argument, Hansadutta makes pretend we said something that we never said, rather Srila Prabhupada said this and we quoted him. He has not studied the issue or he would know who said what.]

HD In 1969 Prabhupada read, “The Aquarian Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ” by Levi which was a popular book of that time, purported to be recieved by revelation to the author Levi. I also read this book because Prabhupada read it. His comment was, “I was very happy and relieved that Lord Jesus Christ did not die on the Cross as is popularly understood, I was always puzzled by the gruesome death of Jesus described in the Bible because according to vedic literature a Great soul cannot meet with such a gruesome death. So I am very much relieved to read in this book, that Jesus did not die on the cross, but was taken by some of his followers and healed, and subsequently traveled to Kashmir and died there in old age. In this book ( perhaps you have read it? ) it describes Jesus going to Jagannath Puri, he observes the worship of Jagannath deities, but disapproves of it.

Prabhupada commented, “Jesus could not understand deity worship.” Tamal asked him if Jesus was a pure devotee, Prabhupada said he was not a pure devotee, nevertheless, he was a Saktyavesa Avatara, and we accept him as a great soul, as our Guru. These things are not to be repeated in public.

[PADA: This is all undocumented, and would be considered as unreliable speculation in a real debate. Srila Prabhupada is however documented as saying Jesus is a pure devotee. He is documented as saying Jesus was killed and they may also kill me. None of this above from Hansadutta could be accepted in a debate because “Srila Prabhupada told me” is not evidence of anything.

What is the evidence?

Srila Prabhupada says — my only request is do not torture me and put me to death; my “yeh sab friends” are talking about poisoning me; I am being poisoned by

someone; Ravana will kill me if I stay in this room etc. The people in the room all agree he says he is being given poison. The people in the room are also discussing poisoning of gurus, and they are whispering “the poison is going down” etc. Hansadutta has no explanation for ANY of that.]

HD: Aside from this Prabhupada never said, “Srila Bhaktisiddhanta, my Guru Maharaja was poisoned.” He always said, “It was said or it was suspected, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta was poisoned.”

[PADA: OK, and he says vahi bat, that same thing that people discussed before (about my Guru Maharaja?) … is now happening to me. He also says “My guru maharaja also.” So yes, that is an indication that poison has been used on other gurus, or even on his own guru. Srila Prabhupada says Srila Saraswati was being given injections, and he opposed that. Brahmananda also told people not to eat at Tirtha’s place because “Srila Prabhupada says — he poisoned his guru, and he might poison some of you.” Hansadutta is now arguing FOR our case.]

HD: “…. also being in Vrindaban. I came there at the beginning of October 1977, from Sri Lanka. Although I was singing for Prabhupada every day for hours till the last day – 6 hours sitting on the bed with him, I never heard Prabhupada say, “I am being poisoned, or someone has given me poison.”

Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible. [(((audio)))]

Kaviraja: Kisko? [(((audio)))]
Translation: To whom?

Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko. [(((audio)))]
Translation: To me.

Srila Prabhupada: Vahi bat… je koi hamko poison kiya [(((audio)))]
Translation
: “That same thing I said, that someone has poisoned me”

[PADA: Right, once again you failed to listen to the tapes and / or read the transcripts that are now widely available all over the net. “I did not hear the tree fall in the forest,” that does not mean there was no sound when the tree fell?

You ALSO, apparently at least, did not hear that a person IS DESTINED for the lowest, most obnoxious places in the universe if he becomes a charlatan guru, as is stated in the Sri Isopanisad? You and your cohorts totally ignored this and many thousands of similar prohibitions, because you did not read, did not hear, did not care, or whatever it is. “Destined” means one is destined to go there, it cannot be changed, its destiny. Its not our call, its the verdict of shastra, destined means — one will go there, its destined. Either we believe that or not.]

HD: He did say after the Makaradwaja Ayur Vedic medicine was given to him, and it reacted unfavorably, or too strongly – “It (the Makaradwaja medicine) is acting like poison”. When Tamal Krishna then asked if Prabhupada said he was being poisoned, Prabhupada replied, “No ! It is not that I am being poisoned, but the medicine is acting like poison”. I can only tell you what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears…. I don’t say what other have said…. I don’t speculate, and I don’t believe Pabhupada was poisoned deliberately and knowingly by any devotee.

[PADA: OK so when someone says “the poison is going down” that does not indicate a deliberate action? What is it then? There is a Ravana in my room, Ravana will kill, … there is no Ravana? This was a bad dream? Nanda Kumar says there was a big demon in Srila Prabhupada’s room, and he would either have to kill that demon, or kill himself, or leave, he chose to leave. Are all these various testimony, including from the kavirajas who think there was poison present, a fantasy dream?]

HD: Since I don’t know Hindi or Bengali, I would not know if Prabhupada made any other statement in regards to poison so I can’t comment on that.

[PADA: OK that is why you have to study the hindi, which we had translated. You are way behind these issues, even Narayana Maharaja finally listened to the tapes and he said, Srila Prabhupada was given poison intentionally. Even slower turtles like him woke up and agreed, you are one of the few foot draggers left.]

HD: I personally do not believe Prabhupada was poisoned deliberately by Tamal Krsna or any other devotee. What I do think could possibly have happened is that, Adikesava swami, (his father supposedly was in the CIA ) who was sent to pick up Makaradwaja medicine from Delhi, from one Brahmacari das, (not sure if this is his name). This person was a political wanna be in the circle of Indira Gandhi, later on he was imprisoned for some kind of fraud, and possibly before this incident also. So, I think it is possible that
Adikeseva Swami collected this medicine from this man’s hand, and brought it to Vrindaban, the medicine was defective, or someone deliberately (political circle ??) added poison.

[PADA: This also fails to explain the various whispers in the room discussing intentional poisoning?]

HD: VNN published an article on their site years ago, if you go to the Archives it may still be there, I came across it last year, or the year before by going to VNN Archives, it is written by Kavicandra Swami – I think, I could be wrong, but I specifically remember he was situated in Japan, an old Radha Damodar bus devotee. This document is very important, and struck me as the most plausible explanation of what might have happened.

[PADA: Kavicandra is Tamal’s clone, why are these people always our authority?]

HD: Years ago I came across a book written by a Swedish professor, he gave scientific evidence of how Napoleon was poisoned by one french member of his staff on Devil’s Island. Arsenic was injected into bottles of Napoleon’s favorite wine, through the cork, his conclusive scientific evidence shows that, by testing the hair of Napoleon it can be determined to the day, each time arsenic was administered, by coroberating with the diary of his staff who would note any changes in health and other notable happenings.

So if you (Prabhupadanugas) are serious this is the way to scientifically establish how, and when and maybe who and why. But it is very late in the game, I don’t know if any hair remains from that time.

[PADA: A hair was analyzed and it did contain arsenic, where have you been Hansadutta? This is all old news for the rest of us. You are too isolated, and thus always a day late and a dollar short.]

HD: Back to my main point every fool, speculator, without actual facts and authority from Prabhupada, is jumping on the stage blurting out half truths, no truths, or fanatical sentiments and knots in the heart, the result is endless speculation, but most of all INACTION…. no one has, in all these years, done anything to legally establish that Prabhupada was poisoned. If it is not established in acourt of law, then it is just rumors, speculation, conspiracy … nothing, it’s nothing.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned, that is “nothing”? That’s the whole problem right there, all kinds of tragic things are going on in and around your guru circle, and its always “nothing.” As Sridhara Maharaja said, you leaders are like oblivious army tanks driving over you own troops.]

HD: Devotees are simply making themselves look foolish by not doing things completely and in the standard way. Anyway, I sent you a note forwarded from Das to you. I got into modifying it and adding, this is the result.

Your humble servant, Hansadutta das

[PADA: Thats another problem, legal issues take a lot of money, we have none. We take the words of our guru as the standard way, we do not need your “high court decision.” ys pd]

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PADA COMMENT:

WYATT: @ “rmd (Ram Mohan Dasa) Dear Prabhus – pamho, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hansadutta pr is very busy at present moment, he just mailed this message for all of us.”

Please Note: Rammohan has become Hansaduttas new mouthpiece, piping his message.

Wyatt – This message from Ram Mohan dasa, does this mean that our dear Hansadutta dasa is going to go back to his ‘cave’ and is no longer interested in participating in our discussion. If it is then he is like the tortoise when there is trouble or danger withdraws back into its shell. What is that statement Hansadutta dasa made sometime ago about some men being womanly? Oh! Here it is:

Hansadutta: “I think the whole German Yatra have become “GIRLIE MEN” under some womanly GBC leader. It is incomprehensible to me, how could that have happened?? There is not one MALE (Man with guts) figure to take up leadership on behalf of Srila PRABHUPADA, the greatest man in the last 500 years???? A womanly GBC is all that Germany can produce, and no one sees the fault in that?? I dont get it… please enlighten me! ”

Looks like it is we the readers who need some enlightenment here. To say the least we are also encouraged to be stool flies.”

[PADA: As soon as Hansadutta sees a gay man dressed in silks with a huge gold crown, also with his german shepherd dogs licking the maha plate, covered with the hands of 50 boys, he falls off his seat crying tears of joy that he has met practically the second coming of Jesus new messiah. He worships girlie men himself as his messiahs, and then he criticizes others for doing what he has been doing. ys pd]

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Comments

  1. Amar Puri says:

    I find this personality Hansadutta Dasa as a devotee leader whose mind is very unbalance like so many other leaders in the Iskcon.

    The reason being that all these so called leaders have had a strongest desire to take place of Srila Prabhupada in His world wide Iskcon. That is what they did. Unfortunately, some of them were not able to hold on to their respective created position and thus, fell down with a due course of time.

    Those who seem holding on to their personally desired agenda for the bogus guru POSITIONs etc. within the present Iskcon are constantly creating changing not only in the Books of Srila Prabhupada but implementing new and different sets of rules and regulations in order to continuous holding on to their created respective positions within the present Iskcon.

    ALAS …. Hansadutta Dasa has happened to be one of them unfortunate person could not hold on to his position but still being desirous for certain Labha, Puja and Prathistha, as it seems, he is unable to humble himself and learn from his very own MISTAKES mischievously done in his own life up until now.

    That is the dilemma. That is why his preachings as a Ritvik Representative of Srila Prabhupada are not efficiently effective neither in the Iskcon nor out side of the Iskcon.

    Giving him and the readers the benefit of doubts that he is humble, then, WHY Hansadutta dasa not humbly admitting his wrong doing and exposing out the FACTS such as this Poison issue and so on ………AS AN ORDINARY HUMBLE DEVOTEE and work with the other like minded group of people who are following Srila Prabhupada.

    Why he is not doing this ?

    It simply means that he has no CREDITABILITY at all.

    Is this not a FACT ?

  2. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    Well! what can you say about Hansadutta das? This is ‘The Mad Hatta’ meets ‘Dirty Harry’! You know you are going to be on a wild ride with this guy in the drivers seat. One thing about all these ’11’ guys is that they are/or were incredibly ambitious, self absorbed and self opinionated. The Idea that this was NOT going to ‘end well’ you might say was almost a dead certainty and I am sure that Is what Srila Prabhupada had in mind, ‘harm minimization’, get the “train wreck” over with as quickly as possible so that Lord Caitanya’s movement can get back on track with the least amount of casualties (as history always shows that there will undoubtedly be a train wreck after the departure of the Acharya).

    Spiritual life and self ambition just DO NOT go together and that is something that I am afraid will happen again and again in the future (if not right now!) and something we should always be very wary of because it will DESTROY you faster than anything! We can see this happening with these GBC’s and bogus pseudo gurus as they are all caught up in Kali’s web just like flies, all ‘attracted’ by the allure of pratistha, lobha and self absorption.

    A transcendentalist is not a sentimentalist and The Acharya knows the ‘condition of the heart’ of all of his disciples, and also their REAL intention and aspirations. Hansadutta das can redeem himself to some degree however by continuing to protect Srila Prabhupada’s original books. This will please Srila Prabhupada but as far as his opinions are concerned, I’ll just have to smile with amusement and shake my head!

    Daso Smi

    Sudarsana

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