Hansadutta Attacks Jesus to Rationalize Poison Issue
Hansadutta replies to PADA (04/15/14)
Forwarded from PADA – Puranjana das
@”Justice for our Spiritual master”
Below Hansadutta prabhu suggest that all this poison talk turns Prabhupada into a fool. So Hansadutta pr is asking us to stop turning Prabhupada into a foolish conditioned soul.
COMMENT: Srila Prabhupada IS TALKING HERE about being poisoned.
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. Hoy to tai.
Translation: Someone says that I’ve been poisoned. It’s possible. [(((audio)))]
Kaviraja: Kisko? [(((audio)))]
Translation: To whom?
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko. [(((audio)))]
Translation: To me.
Srila Prabhupada: Vahi bat… je koi hamko poison kiya [(((audio)))]
Translation: “That same thing I said, that someone has poisoned me”
PLEASE NOTE: SRILA PRABHUPADA IS TALKING about being poisoned here, but Hansadutta says that Prabhupada’s poison talks makes him a fool. Hansadutta is indirectly attacking Srila Prabhupada, by denying Srila Prabhupada’s poison complaints, saying that Srila Prabhupada becomes a foolish conditioned soul by such poison talks.
Hansadutta wants us to shut-up, to NOT repeat Srila Prabhupada’s talk about HIM being poisoned; otherwise we are also foolish conditioned souls. Nay we are worms in stool if we dare to repeat Srila Prabhupadas words. According to Hansadutta, we are maggots if we dare to defend our spiritual master from ISK’CON faggot gurus, murderers, poisoners and book-changers.
Do we believe in Srila Prabhupada’s words or in Hasadutta’s nonsense talk?
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Dear Rammohan Prabhu, Obeisances, all glories ti Srila Prabhupada.
All this talk and speculation of Prabhupada being poisoned started years after Srila Prabhupada disappeared, I noted that it was mostly disgruntled and frustrated devotees, who had some axe to grind with Tamal Krishna or others. Do you really think Srila Prabhupada would silently, without clearly, unambiguously and specifically saying by name, time and place “Tamal Krsna, or Bhavananda or such and such devotees are poisoning me with Arsenic.” He was such a fool?
[PADA: Srila Prabhupada does say he is being poisoned by someone. For example, Bhakti Caru swami was in the room, and then crying outside of Srila Prabhupada’s room. When asked why he was crying, he said “because Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned.” Adridharana das was also in the room, he says he was “very alarmed” by the poison complaint. In short, everyone in the room agrees Srila Prabhupada says he is being poisoned by someone. Bhakti Caru swami sums it up: “someone gave him poison here.” The kaviraja also says — some demons are giving him poison, and so on and so forth.
THUS! The people in that room did know that Srila Prabhupada is saying he is being poisoned, because they ALL confirmed they heard the poison complaint at that time. Hansadutta claims that there was no poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada, and no confirmation from the people in the room, but clearly — he is wrong.
Srila Prabhupada: Vahi bat… je koi hamko poison kiya [(((audio)))]
Translation: “That same thing I said, that someone has poisoned me”
Bhakti-caru: Someone gave him poison here.
Tamal Krishna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him. [(((audio)))]
Kaviraja: If he says that, there must definitely be some truth to it. (Hindi) [(((audio)))]
Tamala Krsna: Put poison in different containers. That’s all right.
Audio Clip in MP3 Format – [(((audio)))]
Prithu Putra swami also said he knew Srila Prabhupada had been poisoned, and that is why he left ISKCON. Nanda Kumar says he knew there was a big demon in Srila Prabhupada’s presence, a demon that he should have killed. Various kavirajas said they knew Srila Prabhupada was being poisoned. Srila Prabhupada says “yeh sab friends” are talking about poisoning me, and they were. The whispers prove that. One whisper (for example) says, “the poison is going down.” Hansadutta fails to explain these issues, other than to say its all foolishness. Really? The poison is going down — is some sort of silly foolishness?
And if Srila Prabhupada did not trust the people in his room, and he didn’t, apparently because he felt most of them were simply waiting for him to die so they could sit in his seat, why would he say anything to any of them at all? He had already said on November 3rd 1977, — “my only request is, do not torture me and put me to death.” Why would he even have to say such a thing, unless … he is being tortured and put to death?
READ: He is being “tortured and put to death” by this group.
Srila Prabhupada said he was being poisoned in Hindi, to make sure at least some people knew he was being poisoned. He knew that Hindi portion of the tape could come out eventually, and the whole issue would be exposed, and that is exactly what happened. That is very clever, he knew his poison complaint was being tape recorded, and EVENTUALLY it would get into the right hands, and come out in due course, because it was hidden in the hindi tape.
We heard there was such a tape in existence in the year 1990, so we prayed to Krishna to get that tape, and in 1997, Krishna answered our prayers and He got us the tape. Thus Krishna arranged that the poison complaint would become openly evident after some time, and it did emerge later on.
Of course not only the poison complaint surfaced, eventually all sorts of other crimes of this GBC guru clique — ALSO — “came out later” on as well. Thus all the banning, beating, molesting, assassinating, is now very clear. All this emanated from this group, just like the stink of dog stools emanates from the stools itself, this group committed ALL these crimes, and this could be just the tip of the iceberg as far as we know.
Since this guru clique is now WELL known publicly and worldwide as deviated criminals, why would they not poison someone to take over their victims assets, money and property, that is what criminals do every single day of the week? One reason the poison issue is accepted so widely is — exactly because its CRYSTAL clear the guru clique leaders are great criminals. Look at the way these leaders collectively treated the devotees of Srila Prabhupada, banning, beating, killing them, why would then not treat the father of these devotees the same way? What many folks NOW say is — “Of course they would treat the father the same way they treated his children.” Makes perfect sense!
By 1985 Hansadutta has banished and banned 99.99 percent of his God brothers and sisters from the Berkeley temple. That means he demonized the worship of Srila Prabhupada, and made them fear for their lives. Devotees of Srila Prabhupada told us repeatedly, they feared for their lives from Hansadutta’s regime. That means Hansadutta killed their service to Krishna, and killed the worship of the pure devotee. Is there a whole lot of difference between killing the guru, and killing the worship of the guru? Not a whole lot!
For example, one poor ex-poojari lady told us — since Hansadutta had kicked her out of her service to the deity, she lost her will to live. Shortly after that (1986) she died from cancer. She had lost her will to live means, Hansadutta killed her spirit, and then her body followed suit. Krishna mercifully took her away from these Hansadutta-ized people. De facto, Hansadutta killed her, and slowly by cancer disease, she was indeed “tortured and put to death” by Hansadutta’s program. If Hansadutta would de facto kill the devotees of Srila Prabhupada by killing their spirit to live, and torturing and putting them to death, why would his regime not attack the father of these same devotees? Most folks agree, they would treat the father the same way as his children.
And now Hansadutta says because all of these devotees had their service killed by his party, if not their lives were killed, they are fools? Demons have always attacked the service of the devotees, they passed urine on the brahmana sacrifices, burned their houses, kidnapped their wives, even killed the brahmanas, that is what demons do since time immemorial. Does that means brahmanas are fools because they are always attacked by demon enterprises like Hansadutta’s?
And in 1986 the GBC wrote that Kirtanananda is “like Jesus,” and Hansadutta was a big kirtana leader of that “Jaya Bhaktipada” parade. Hansadutta was saying Kirtanananda is “the purest devotee on the planet.” Hansadutta is comparing his homosexual pals like Kirtanananda to Jesus, and we are getting killed as a result, does that make us fools?
Saying we have to worship deviants and not Jesus is what happened to Jesus himself when he was here! Pharisees like Hansadutta said we need to worship deviants and not Jesus, even when Jesus was here, thus the propaganda of people like Hansadutta is how Jesus was killed in the first place! Hansadutta types have displaced the worship of pure devotees in favor of deviants, and had the pure devotees or the devotees of the pure devotees beaten and killed, ever since time began. What difference does it make if Pharisees say the worship of Jesus is bogus whether he is physically here or not, the mentality is the same, to kill the worship.
Devotees great and small are “tortured and put to death” by Hansadutta type regimes — ever since time began. Anyway Srila Prabhupada says, the way you treat the master’s dog is how you treat the master. Thus the servants of Srila Prabhupada were banned, beat and killed by Hansadutta’ regime, that is apparently, how he treats the master as well, at least according to Srila Prabhupada. Sorry Jesus was crucified, thousands of Christians were tossed to the lions, Sulochana was killed, in sum — Vaishnava preachers are arrested, tortured, killed, since millions of years ago, that does not make them fools, that makes them Krishna’s heros. Krishna loves these preachers, all of them, great or small.]
HD: Srila Prabhupada ran a pharmacy as a business, made his own medicine, was quite familiar with chemicals ( Worked for Bose’s laboratories ) and their effect, one of his close friends was Dr. Ghosh.
[PADA: And that is one reason he knew he was being poisoned. He knew the symptoms, he said he had the symptoms, he says he read it in a book somewhere. Yes, he would know he had the symptoms of poison from his pharmacy background. Correct.
Dr. Bonamali confirmed that as well, Srila Prabhupada DOES HAVE the symptoms, and he said that Srila Prabhupada’s urine sample showed signs of blood and bone marrow in the blood, which is a symptom of heavy metal poison (such as arsenic and cadmium). Excess of arsenic was found in his hair sample.
Dr. Mehta, an Ayurvedic physician who lives in Houston, was shown several photographs of Srila Prabhupada during His last days, and he also observed the video documentary of Srila Prabhupada’s last months entitled: “The Final Lesson.” Dr. Mehta has been a practicing Ayurvedic physician since 1948. His summary comments are:
“The expression and symptoms of the face, the eyes and the manner of speaking indicate to me that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned, most probably by arsenic or mercury. He Himself said that He was poisoned, confirmed by dullness of the face and how the natural color of the body is gone. This is very hard for the average person to understand; only the experienced eye can tell.”
A gurukuli said he saw Bhavananda pouring white powder on Srila Prabhupada’s food, and arsenic also comes in powdered form. And this gurukuli said he heard them talking about poison when he was hiding under a desk. Where was Hansadutta when all this was going on? We cannot say for sure, but we can say that immediately after Srila Prabhupada departed Hansadutta and Tamal were hanging around together in Topanga, plotting how to drive us all out and remove all the Srila Prabhupada worshipers from ISKCON, and make ISKCON into a criminal operation in the name of God Almighty.
They were peas in a PADA. Hansadutta was Tamal’s bucket boy, and we hate to say it, being the bucket boy of Judas is not good, at all. Hansadutta’s real reaction is because, we can all link him to these fools like Kirtanananda, Tamal, etc. As Canakya says, “the real action is in the reaction.”]
HD: Prabhupada also told us that is was said by an astrologer “This man was a doctor in his previous life”….. etc…… So – Srila Prabhupada was oblivious to who and what was going on around him and he was being administered arsenic poison by the people ( Disciples ) attending him? He just mystically ( inexplicably ) endured the administration of arsenic poisoning by some neophyte disciples?
[PADA: And Jesus was crucified because he was betrayed by his neophyte disciples. Does that mean Jesus was foolish?]
HD: When Prabhupada was so particular about every detail of his books, deities, art work, temple construction, preparation of his and devotees’ prasadam, etc……. meticulous in every endeavour and every thing he encountered.. We are to believe that at the time of his passing, he simply became indifferent, he could not say “Hansadutta … Tamal Krsna Maharaja and so and so devotees .. are giving me poison, please help me, take me out of this situation ??” Would any ordinary man knowing he was being betrayed by his closest friends and relatives simply submit to that ?? I dont think so. Do you, does anyone?
[PADA: Jesus did exactly that, he was betrayed, he knew he was being betrayed, he could have walked down the hill from the garden of Gethsemane and left town, but he chose to stay. That was foolish?]
HD: Stop comparing Srila Prabhupada to Jesus Christ, of who no one knows (none of you all know anything about, except from imperfect hearsay ) anything, since in Christianity there is no standard.
[PADA: Christians have a far higher standard that Hansadutta. They do not pose themselves as messiahs and then have illicit sex with followers, while getting high on intoxicants. They would never dream of conducting themselves in such a degraded manner, because they have some integrity, and no small amount of respect for God and His messiahs.
And when Kirtanananda was at the height of foolishness, and he was molesting boys etc., at that time Hansadutta declared that Kirtanananda is another pure devotee, and the GBC were advertising Kirtanananda as good as — Jesus. This is an insult to Jesus, and Hansadutta participated in this odious deviation of comparing a homosexuals to Jesus, because he became the biggest foot kisser of Kirtanananda on the planet at that time.]
HD: Christians lack a Vedic system of disciplic succession perfect system of GURU PARAM PARA (as in our line).
[PADA: Christians worship Jesus, as such they would never promote the worship of deviants, drug addicts, homosexuals and criminals like Hansadutta was doing. Hansadutta has no idea what the parampara is or he never would have promoted these deviations in the name of the parampara in the first place. The real reason Hansadutta is upset with the Christians, their police and courts had to follow him and drag his cult into court to stop his crime spree in the name of God. In any case, this is another smoke screen, and does not explain the poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada.]
HD: A line from which we can receive the perfect account of his teachings ( Words ) and his activities. Actually at the present moment, one would be hard pressed to find ONE PERFECTLY FOLLOWING AND REALIZED DISCIPLE OF LORD JESUS ON THIS PLANET.
[PADA: Even the worst Christians never promote the worship of their homosexual pals as Jesus like messiahs like Hansadutta was doing? Even our trash man would never even dream of posing as a messiah, while taking drugs, having illicit sex, and orchestrating murders of God’s devotees like the Hansadutta / Kirtanananda regime was doing. And then the Christian FBI had to contain these demoniac activities, otherwise these criminals would have been unchecked, and we’d be dead as well.]
HD: When I was singing for Srila Prabhupada in those last two months, if I mispronounced a word, or omitted a word of the Bhajan, Srila Prabhupada would interject and correct me.. Does this sound like a man who had become hopelessly indifferent, depressed and in a mood of “Let it all hang out” who cares, these disciples are useless demonic persons, so let them do what they want…. I humbly accept it as the will of KRSNA? I don’t think so, that was never Srila Prabhupada’s attitude never, he was full of determination, and TRIKALAGNA, knower of Past-Present and Future. Srila Prabhupada could not specifically identify who is doing what? Hard to believe.
Puranjan’s stupid insane suggestion to advertise “SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS MURDERED” to establish that he was the true representative of KRSNA… “LIKE JESUS CHRIST” is .. well ! in a word …. LUNACY !!! INSANITY… the ravings of a MADMAN.
I suggest to you find the VVN article mentioned in my previous post. You go through it and decide if it is relevant..I also suggest that there should be a filtering system to determine a devotees qualification before posting his / her writings. Maybe something like , having read all of Prabhupada’s books and heard his audio ( especially darshans and morning walks ) having or being a part or present temple president, actively preaching. Some standard, like a king would have a council of learned Brahmins who would give the King and his ministers sound advice on ruling his kingdom.
The idea of “Free speech / Freedom of speech” is a modern absurdity as much as “free love / sexual freedom” women’s rights ( Women Gurus) … Gay rights, ( Gay Gurus, for the Gays ?? ) same sex marriage…. non discrimination, Democracy, Anarchy etc…. this is all non – sense ( Prabhupada taught us ) but it is being introduced more and more in the community of Prabhupada’s disciples world wide… Why? you want to have a Gay Guru? a woman Guru? a lesbian Guru? a Pedophile Guru? a transgender Guru??
CORRECTION TO MY PREVIOUS POST; I realised, Actually Puranjan is not a fly… He’s a maggot or worm in the stool, flies at least touch and go, but maggots and worms in stool are perpetually absorbed and at home in stool. Puranja’s exclusive engagement is finding out, eating and serving up stool 24/7. He’s not a fly, he’s a worm in stool. I wanted to correct that.
Your servant,
Hansadutta dsas
[PADA: As tri-kala jna, he knew I would get my hand on his tape and expose you rats. Yep, you demonized us and had us killed, and you are still at it. Saying that Jesus is a fool because he allowed himself to be betrayed is not going to help your argument. Srila Prabhupada’s astrology chart says, you will live for ten more years, if you can live for the next six months, the real danger is from your “juniors and subordinates.” Danger from juniors and subordinates? That means, no one else other than your party Mr. Hansadutta. ys pd]
Motivated by the lack of doubt, I humbly submit my observations for this
> seemingly perpetual, super-synthetic, moot argument.
> First and certainly foremost, devotional instruction had not before been
> imparted to the undeserving Western World, until the kind-hearted Srila
> Prabhupada, author of the aphorisms in His authentic commentaries exposed
> the truth for the undeserving souls. He was like a kind-hearted shepherd of
> the congregation of otherwise useless individuals who were sheep under His
> protection. None was so kind and compassionate to mankind as He. He
> unquestionably, unmistakably, and undeniably rescued us from all
> apprehension arising out of the apathetic mood lying latent within our
> hearts. Krsna is so kind to us as to send His transcendental messenger to
> this world for heaving us up to His presence and to accept our
> transcendental candidacy, though unquestionably, we are His undeserving, indolent eternal
> servants instructed to carry out His true wishes.
> Secondly, absolutely overpowered by sensuality, the chosen representatives instructed to act as
> Ritvik in order to direct the seekers of transcendental reality have no doubt
> deliberately abandoned their devotional aptitude towards Srila Prabhupada
> consequently transporting them back to the useless position from which they
> came. The worldly pretensions of Maya are evidently traced in their desires.
> Therefore their consistent, synthetic, propaganda is beyond the shadow of a
> doubt, devoid of any validity, proving conclusively that their long
> exploitive journey has been thoroughly fruitless. And as for those who
> accept the apotheotic conception which holds no place in the transcendence
> of Srila Prabhupada, they will certainly be denied any benefit. When the analytic (Guru’s) meets
> with the synthetic aspirant, the cheating propensity is practically
> demonstrated and the combined attempt of development becomes injurious.
There is no question regarding shortcomings of the chosen 11. That we have already witnessed, discussed, fought over, argued over, separated from, shunned, bannished, banned, disassociated, excommunicated etc. And now all this crap (Really?) The real question here is: What is the value of all this seemingly endless stone throwing? Is it favorable to our Krsna consciousness? Has it ever been? Evidently not. What is the use of it all? What is the value of it? And most importantly, would Prabhupada approve? Are we distributing more books because of it, or opening more temples, has the preaching increased as a result? Let us not foolishly think that we’re attracting devotees to our fractured movement by all this? No one, save and except for Krsna, can neither confirm nor deny any of the accusations, and I honestly feel that if we don’t know by now, perhaps we never will. And does it really matter? We have to ask ourselves, does this negative activity take precidence over the instructed mission? Are these the activities of Vaisnava’s or that of karmi’s. Karmi’s belittle one another in an attempt to elevate their own position not the Vaisnava.
For lack of a better phrase, “Let he who has not sinned, cast the first stone”. Undeniably, we are all guilty of some transgression. And, unmistakably we are conditioned souls contaminated with the filth of material existence. Therefore as Srila Prabhupada said on occasion, “we should not be surprised when our Godbrothers fall down, we should be surprised when they don’t”. The degree of the falldown is, in reality, irrelevent because we are all materially conditioned. Even the great Brahmaji had lusty desires for His own daughter. What then to speak of the ordinaries like us. I wholeheartedly and with great certainty, think that to continue to pursue thisobvious, fruitless endeavor is factually detrimental to our spiritual progression in Krsna consciousness. Without taking anyones side here, I know factually in my heart of hearts that devotees like Hansadutta, Kirtanananda, Hayagriva, Satasvarupa, and so on, have practically demonstrated their great service to Prabhupada; Hayagriva with his wonderful, authorized, editing as well as his own writings. Satsvarupa with his writings, Hansadutta with his book distribution, and Kirtanananda with his New Vrndavan project. We should be ignorant to their individual accomplishments. Conspiuously, through Krsna’s mercy and Prabhupada’s authority they, through their own individual agency, attracted Krsna’s devottes from all over this planet into His capable hands. The definition of “agency” is; “A means to exert power or influence instrumentally”. I’m fairly certain they’ve fullfilled the definition. Therefore sould they, or any of us for that matter, be insulted publically or otherwise for their inate shortcomings? Are they or we ourselves, to be caste aside like rubbish for our service to Prabhupada, especially at the end of our lives? One would presume that it would be the aspiriation of any of Prabhupada’s disciples to have directly participated in the spreading of His movement from it’s infancy, not, disrespect the participants. So let us give credit where credit is due. I will thank you in advance for permitting me to submit my humble opinion.
Yours in the service of Prabhupada,
Priyavrata das
>
> HDG Bhaktivinode said; “The truth is eternal and is never injured but for a
> while by ignorance”.
Hansadutta das is hundred percent writing in a defensive mood not only to protect his then own guru position but to the present Iskcon gurus’ position also because he was one of the prominent bogus guru himself.
So writing in a defensive mood means not letting the TRUTH be known to the new comers and the seekers in the present Iskcon what has been done to the founder acaraya of Iskcon Srila Prabhupada during his manifested lila particularly when Srila Prabhupada was being taken under the complete control of TKG, and his associates at the time of Srila Prabhupada’s departure from His manifested Lila.
Some how the TRUTH has become available better late then never and yet these bewildered Jiva Hansadutta dasa remains under denial to accept the TRUTH by writing defensively to hide the TrUTH.
How any body with the right mind can believe what Hans dutta is saying and yet he is so critical like the other bogus gurus in the present Iskcon to condemn and discredit those who present the TRUTH as it is like Srila Prabhupada’s very own statements under discussion.
More over this person Hansdutta is supposed to be cultivating KC and yet he writes as such in his critical mood ;
CORRECTION TO MY PREVIOUS POST; I realised, Actually Puranjan is not a fly… He’s a maggot or worm in the stool, flies at least touch and go, but maggots and worms in stool are perpetually absorbed and at home in stool. Puranja’s exclusive engagement is finding out, eating and serving up stool 24/7. He’s not a fly, he’s a worm in stool. I wanted to correct that.
Your servant,
Hansadutta dsas.
Is this person Hansdutta dasa who was a bona fide guru of Iskcon as sincere people followed him at one time has any CREDITABILITY and MORALITY to accept his very own wrong doing as a human being ?
I find this is not correct when Pada says ;
[PADA: As tri-kala jna, he knew I would get my hand on his tape and expose you rats.”
Is he a tri-kala jna ? I do not think so. Why, because he is not even a Kala jna who acts some time sober. To me he is completely an AJNAI ….. Murkha.
Had he known it that PADA would get his hand on his tape, PADA would have been probably ceased to exist by now as Soluchana did.
Is my reading correct ?
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Aspiration at the personal level of ones’ own agenda is always very dangerous.
Srila Prabhupada knew this very well in His Iskcon Institution at the early stage. However Srila Prabhupada not only selflessly rendered his service in the mission of His Guru Maharaja but engaged also who so ever came along to help him regardless. He did not check who is who ? Why, because a Mahatama sees everyone equal.
Now that who is who have created so much havoc in the Institution on account of their personal greed and desires of all kinds that it has become imperative to point out that the personal creeper of their desires have been rooted so badly which is unthinkable to bring back to its normal original state as per the Instructions of Srila Prabhupada so desires.
So who are the culprits ? They are the people and their associates whose names have been mentioned in the comments of Priyavrata das.
I wonder, where is the CREDIT to give and where is it DUE ?
Pritavrata das proves his slavish lobotomised cult status by defending the most disgraceful and lowest of human beings Kirtanananda. He says :
“I know factually in my heart of hearts that devotees like Hansadutta, Kirtanananda, Hayagriva, Satasvarupa, and so on, have practically demonstrated their great service to Prabhupada; Hayagriva with his wonderful, authorized, editing as well as his own writings. Satsvarupa with his writings, Hansadutta with his book distribution, and Kirtanananda with his New Vrndavan project. We should be ignorant to their individual accomplishments.”
Kirtanananda will be rotting in hell for many lifetimes as a result of his crimes against humanity. Krishna only knows how many sincere souls were driven out of Srila Prabhupadas movement by his perverted and genocidal ways.
Priyavrata says Kirtanananda demonstrated his “great service” to Srila Prabhupada. I can hardly believe what I am reading !!
Perhaps Priyavrata should speak with some of the abused victims of Kirtananandas regime and educate himself about assassinated victims like Sulocana das who was murdered for blowing the lid on the bogus Guru business.
Obviously Priyavrata has no experience with justice or law enforcement.
Incredibly, Kirtananandas rotting body was put into so called samadhi in Vrindavana, what a disgrace, I guess Priyavrata would agree with that and visit his so called samadhi on pilgrimage.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Priyavrata is posing the question. Should persons who poisoned Srila Prabhupada, murdered devotees, smuggled drugs, murdered children, sodomized little boys, were convicted felons, gun runners, deviates, pimping out ‘devotee women’, thieves, racketeers, conspirators, liars, cheats, psychopaths, pretenders, bogus guru hoaxers, intimidators and offenders of honest devotees, offenders of Srila Prabhupada Himself, delusional aspirants, power hungry megalomaniacs, misfits, fools, adulterers, gangsters, hitmen, madmen, sociopaths, tyrants, sudoriferous sleeze-bags, surreptitious toerags, gutless invertebrates, impotent cowards, maggots, self promoters, hypocrites, phonies and spurious reprobates be insulted publicly, or cast aside like rubbish? Well the answer to that Priyavrata das is I hope YES! for the sake of everybody else!
Vaisnava Dasanudas
Hansadutta states..
“….. I don’t think so, that was never Srila Prabhupada’s attitude never, he was full of determination, and TRIKALAGNA, knower of Past-Present and Future. Srila Prabhupada could not specifically identify who is doing what? Hard to believe.”
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Ultimately Krsna is ‘trikalagna’….Bhagavad-gita 4:5 > “The Blessed Lord said: Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy!
Again in Bhagavad-gita 15:15 > “I am seated in everyone’s heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness…..”
Even though being a fully surrendered maha-Bhagavat soul, Srila Prabhupada during his manifest lila was not some kind of mystic for-teller of all things past, present and future. Whatever knowledge, remembrance or forgetfulness required for his preaching mission was supplied directly by Krsna to his unalloyed, pure devotee.
Although Srila Prabhupada’s knowledge of the workings of the material energy were vast, there were still many times when he inquired about seemingly mundane things from his disciples. Small example when in 1974 we were following Srila Prabhupada on the morning walks on Juhu Beach. A very loud plane had just taken off from Santa Cruz Airport and was overhead…Srila Prabhupada stopped abruptly, (as usual) and turned towards me and stated with a quizzical tone “747”?
As I knew the plane was a “707” I hesitated, but then thought Srila Prabhupada is asking for confirmation, so why not show my totally insignificant material knowledge. I blurted out “Srila Prabhupada, that’s actually a 707″, then suddenly realizing I might have to go and disappear into the ocean for being so impudent. Srila Prabhupada then looked back at me nodded and simply said…”ahh, 707”, smiled and resumed his walk.
Just as the rain falls indiscriminately, Srila Prabhupada delivers his mercy for all souls, although he knew many would betray him, steal from him and attempt to usurp his divine position. That’s the misused, minute independence of the conditioned souls and he didn’t interfere with that, but just kept showering his mercy regardless, personally during his manifest lila and now personally through his original books, lectures, conversations and the like.
Srila Prabhupada Ki Jaya!
Yhs,
Balaram das
” Whatever knowledge, remembrance or forgetfulness required for his preaching mission was supplied directly by Krsna to his unalloyed, pure devotee.” writes Balaram das Prabhu.
Therefore, Srila Prabhupada being the pure devotee of the Lord was indeed in a mystic position to see things past, present and future in His Iskcon Institution world wide.
Isn’t it ?
However, he answers the question in his comment which reads as ; ” Just as the rain falls indiscriminately, Srila Prabhupada delivers his mercy for all souls, although he knew many would betray him, steal from him and attempt to usurp his divine position. That’s the misused, minute independence of the conditioned souls and he didn’t interfere with that, but just kept showering his mercy regardless, personally during his manifest lila and now personally through his original books, lectures, conversations and the like.”
I wonder why did he write this in his comments ?
” Even though being a fully surrendered maha-Bhagavat soul, Srila Prabhupada during his manifest lila was not some kind of mystic for-teller of all things past, present and future. “
Funny no one mentions the so-call tape Tamal and Satvarupa made talking about giving PRABHUPADA POISON AND THE FACT THAT IT SUSPICIOUSLY APPEARS OUT OF NOWHERE, OUT OF ANY KNOWN CONTEXT AT THAT TIME!
And is Hansa rejecting all the whispers found on those tapes?? I heard one such tape at Naveen’s house here in alachua. I distinctly heard Prabhupada say “to me!!” on that tape after some laughing and chatter about poison going down..
Poor Hansa, thinks all of us are just brain-dead cultist like himself. Or at least the way he was.
Dear Amar Puri Prabhu,
Thank you for your comments and regret there was some confusion for you. The point I was making is that as Krsna’s pure devotees are always under His protection, the Lord may deem it necessary to withhold or supply relevant information according to circumstances. Hansadutta’s argument against the poison issue is that as Srila Prabhupada was tri kala jna he would have forseen it and also those involved, however we can’t just ‘assume’ as Hansadutta states, that Prabhupada knew specifically all future happenings.
Krsna engages with His pure devotees, both here and in the spiritual realm in multifarious ways, by His Yoga-Maya potency.
A good example of this is stated by Srila Prabhupada in his purport to BG Ch1.Text 32-35 “…………..Arjuna did not want to kill his relatives, and if there were any need to kill them, he desired that Krsna kill them personally. At this point he did not know that Krsna had already killed them before their coming into the battlefield and that he was only to become an instrument for Krsna.”
If Arjuna, as an eternal associate of the Lord is also tri kala jna, then he should have seen the outcome, but due to the Lord’s internal potency that information was with held.
Again in SB Canto1 Ch11 Text 39 Purport, Srila Prabhupada states “Even the transcendental wives of Lord Krsna did not know completely the unfathomable glories of the Lord. This ignorance is not mundane because there is some action of the internal potency of the Lord in the exchange of feelings between Him and His eternal associates” (of whom Srila Prabhupada is absolutely one).
So Prabhu, my point is that.. daivim prakrtim asritah, the great souls are always under the protection of the divine nature, and that “protection” may also keep His pure devotee seemingly in illusion for His specific purpose. It is only by Krsna’s arrangement and mercy they are also tri kala jna.
Always appreciate your comments and insight.
Yhs,
Balaram das.
The real miracle and potency of Srila Prabhupada is that he engaged thousands upon thousands of materialists, atheists, hippies, demons, loosers, disaffected youth but also intellectuals, ordinary seekers of the truth, rich and poor, men, women and children, sincere and honest persons in the science of self realization and service of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This he accomplished around the whole globe (clearly a feat never achieved successfully before) within a remarkably short time and at such an advanced age, with virtually no recources (only a couple of dollars in funds).
Srila Prabhupada knew of course that most persons would not make the most of this opportunity hence the ‘mess’ that ISKCON and also Gaudiya Math are in but this does not mean that Srila Prabhupada is fully ‘omniscient and omnipotent’ (as the Supreme Lord) or that someone mentioned in a comment a few weeks back that Srila Prabhupada could “burn demons to ashes” by glancing at them or something like that! I am sure that Srila Prabhupada also understood that even through this ‘carnage’, ‘out of the mix’ some persons by dint of following sincerely his guidance and instructions and following the required tapasya would advance in realization of the self, the Acharya, previous Acharyas and the Supreme Lord.
This is the real ‘mystic potency’ of Srila Prabhupada because he is receiving the full blessings of his Gurudeva and the whole parampara due to his fully surrendering to the Supreme Lord, thus giving the ‘greatest vision’ of past and present as he (like beying on the peak of the mountain summit) is in a position nobody else can replicate or imitate. No-one has achieved this great feat of endurance, dedication, and devotion to the Supreme Lord, hence the special and unique position of His Divine Grace Jagat Guru Paramahamsa Parivrajakachayra AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Prabhupada.
By strictly following Srila Prabhupadas ‘original’ books, chanting 16+ rounds daily (this is most important) our hearts will become purified from material contamination and our affection for Srila Prabhupada will increase our desire to serve him more and more, this is the only way to increase our ‘realization’.
I think that Balarama Prabhu’s understanding of Srila Prabhupada’s position is a sober and accurate one. We should not mistake Srila Prabhupada’s position in a similar way to Hansadutta Das who is believing that Srila Prabhupada COULD NOT be poisoned or that his body (physical body) could not be harmed, or injured, this is just the rantings of a person who’s activities of drunkenness, gun running, intimidation, fornicating with others wives, dishonesty, corruption and mania are clear indications of his lack of realization, credibility or authority in this (or any other matter) regarding His Divine Grace.
We should never doubt that the potency of Srila Prabhupada is the most valuable thing, more precious than all the diamonds and gold in the universe, and simply by performing some tapasya (austerity) in this life in the service of His divine instructions we can realize everything. As Sri Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita “As they surrender unto Me I reward accordingly”
Your most humble servant….
Sudarsana
Balaram das Prabhu explains very nicely in his comments which reads ;
” So Prabhu, my point is that.. daivim prakrtim asritah, the great souls are always under the protection of the divine nature, and that “protection” may also keep His pure devotee seemingly in illusion for His specific purpose. It is only by Krsna’s arrangement and mercy they are also tri kala jna.”
But unfortunately for a Mudha – Murkha like my self could not simply understand Shriman Balaram das Prabhu’s previous comments to which I questioned him as quoted in my comments ; ” I wonder why did he write this in his comments ?
” Even though being a fully surrendered maha-Bhagavat soul, Srila Prabhupada during his manifest lila was not some kind of mystic for-teller of all things past, present and future. “
Thanks for the explanation, Prabhu.
Hari BOL.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Email I received from Godbrother……
Hare Krsna dear Balarama prabhu.
I am unable to recall source.
When once asked if the spiritual master knows everything by audience member, (possibly an initiate) Srila Prabhupada replied, ‘the spiritual master knows everything Krsna wants him to know’. ys bd.
Dear Amar Puri prabhu, thank you. It is very enlivening having these discussions about Srila Prabhupada’s divine lila. I just received the reference from our Godbrother for the quote in my last post….
Yhs, Balaram das.
Hare Krsna Sriman Balarama prabhu.
It was a morning walk in Mayapur , India , April 8, 1975 that a devotee asked Srila Prabhupada,
“Does the spiritual master know everything?”
“The spiritual master knows everything that Krsna wants him to know,” Srila Prabhupada said.
“Only Krsna can know everything.”
Cited, What is the Difficulty ?,pg 38,Dharma Publications,2006, by Sruta Kirti
ys bd
Another point I would like to add is that because Srila Prabhupada is Uttama Adhikari and Acharya he is never under the influence of Maha Maya and such examples of ‘fortgetfulness’ can only be attributed to Sri Krishna’s eternal creative potency of Yoga Maya. All the inhabitants of Goloka Vrindaban are under the potency of Yoga Maya as the eternal loving pastimes of the Lord can only be enacted by believing that Sri Krishna is their unique, special, friend (as knowledge that He is in fact The Supreme Personality of Godhead would invoke a mood of ‘awe and reverence’ thus not enabling the most intimate of pastimes to manifest).
There are of course pastimes of the Lord where the Lord Himself (and also Srimati Radharani) are ‘forgetful’, such as when Sri Krishna Is ‘sleeping’ and Srimati Radaharani sneaks up to Him and ‘steals’ The Lords flute and then Krishna ‘wakes’ and He is thinking, where is my flute?, who has taken it? Another is when Srimati Radharani is in the loving embrace of the Lord and then She is suddenly ‘overcome’ by a mood of separation and thinking Where is Krishna? He has left me!, but all the while She is still in the embrace of the Supreme Lord. At the same time the Yoga Maya (and also Maha Maya) potencies are ALWAYS under the control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead which He controls AT WILL to enhance and increase the devotional mellows and pastime of His devotees and of course His own transcendental bliss.
By these and many other examples the glorious pastimes of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada sometimes may indicate that there is some ‘fault’ or ‘flaw’ present but by the examples of how the Lords Eternal Creative Potency is working this can only be attributed to the Lords Yoga Maya potency.
Your most humble servant
Sudarsana