Rocana dasa refuses to post on his web site from the people who opposes his DOR

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1. LW says:

   11. August 2015 at 8:21 pm

   Prabhu, what is the “misleading description and interpretation in the article” you’re referring to on the Sampradaya Sun entitled, “Kurmarupa Prabhu: Blessed by the Cows of Vraja”?

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2. Amar Puri says:

   12. August 2015 at 12:12 am

   LW says ; ” Prabhu, what is the “misleading description and interpretation in the article” you’re referring to on the Sampradaya Sun entitled, “Kurmarupa Prabhu: Blessed by the Cows of Vraja”?

   An Astrological analysis by SHYAMASUNDARA DASA is given at the time of his death as written in the article which reads ;

   ” It was reported that this mahatma had left his body on Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 8:45 hours during Padmini ekadasi, in Purushottama masa in Vrndavana. I didn’t have his horoscope but I thought – let me at least check what was happening astrologically at that moment like a prasna chart.

   The time of his death does not establish particular of the natal chart, and as such, indicate any of the transit planetary influence on the natal chart of the person if it is not available nor it becomes PRASANA until or unless a close relatives of the deceased seek advice for such PRASANA from an Astrologer.

   An Astrologer can not make a PRASANA of his own accord and give whimsical comments of a speculative reading until he has an exact birth particular of the person showing such influence of death on the natal chart during its transit of the planetary influence on it.

   Hence, the description of the analysis becomes totally speculative and misleading.

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3. LW says:

   12. August 2015 at 10:15 am

   Thank you, Prabhu.

   This astrologer has also had an ongoing disagreement about Srila Prabhupada’s rising sign. Some astrologers say that Prabhupada’s rising sign is Sagitarrius, and other astrologers (like the one mentioned) say Capricorn. One of these must be right, and the other wrong.

   Of course, His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is always completely transcendental to all material considerations and influences (mahatmanas tu mam partha/ daivim prakrtim asritah…), but this astrologer seems to be somewhat controversial in his analyses for one reason or another. He always seems to be arguing about something online.

   Perhaps in Kali-yuga there are no real astrologers? Ayurveda is also a wonderful Vedic science, but where are the great Ayurvedic practitioners today?

   What do you think?

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4. Amar Puri says:

   12. August 2015 at 7:53 pm

   Yes, all the present Iskcon’s favourite astrologers including the one under discussion say that Srila Prabhupada’s raising sign is Sagitarrius which depicts Srila Prabhupada’s Chart materially motivated personality whereas the raising sign of Capricorn clearly indicates and states the opposite i.e. Spiritually advanced Maha Bhagvata.

   I have refuted all those astrologers on every angles that Srila Prabhupada’s raising sign is Capricorn but no one including this astrologer SHYAMASUNDARA DASA refuted any of my comments on it. Please do not misunderstand the statement when I said, I have refuted it does not mean that I am puffed up and know every thing about the astrology. No not at all. I have a very little basic understanding about the principles of the science of astrology. I am not an expert at all. I am just a beginner of little knowing about the Vedic astrology.

   There are all kinds of Astral Practitioners such as Astrologers and Ayurvedic etc. out there. Because, this field of the Science of the Vedas do not have continuation of the disciplic succession, therefore, the knowledge in this field has been scattered every where. Not only that the interpretation of the interaction of the Planetary knowledge by the so called learned writers and commentators on the subject have been tainted, tempered and taken different directions in this age of Kali Yuga. That is why there is Eastern Astrology, Chinese, Western astrology and so on.

   In India, there are people who are collecting the data and working on this subject by the Empirical knowledge through the collections of thousands and thousands of the horoscopes of people in every area of the situation in their respective lives in order to bring up to a certain standard of the analytical principles of the Vedic Astrology.

   I was very much interested in the Astrology ten years or so ago, but, I changed my direction to follow through Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and share whatever little knowledge I have with others, whenever I can and try to practise in following Srila Prabhupada’s Instructions which is so very difficult I find being a conditioned soul myself.

   Therefore, I always beg and seek for the mercy of the advanced devotees of Srila Prabhupada.

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   • LW says:

     13. August 2015 at 7:51 am

     Thank you, Prabhu. Personally, it doesn’t matter at all to me under what circumstances Srila Prabhupada manifested his divinity in this world. His body is completely spiritual and transcendental. Krishna is fully in charge of His pure devotee. So I humbly think you made the right choice in withdrawing from the study of Astrology and focusing on Srila Prabhupada and his divine service.

     As for Rocan refusing to publish your essay. On his website he states that Sampradaya Sun offers “independent reporting and brahminical commentary.” Brahmana means liberal-minded. The fact that he has banned you from his website — even when you’re simply discussing Astrology and not Prabhupada’s statements about ritvik — shows that Rocan is not liberal-minded at all. He is using his website, along with pictures and quotes from Srila Prabhupada, to further his own agenda. This is not brahminical behavior but simply politics. So I would say it’s time to forget about Rocan and carry on with reaching out to those who have honest hearts and give them Srila Prabhupada. It’s up to you, but he is just a waste of time and energy. What he could have accomplished has all been washed down the drain by his own hand. Let him go. You’re too good to waste any more time there.

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5. Balaram das says:

   13. August 2015 at 1:00 am

   Hare Krsna Amar Puri prabhu,
   Very nicely explained and let us stay strong in taking shelter under the instructions of His Divine Grace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, Founder and the ONLY Acarya of true ISKCON!
   Yhs,
   Bal.

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6. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

   13. August 2015 at 11:23 am

   Dear Amar Puri, LW and Balaram prabhu’s.

   I also share you thoughts on the subject of Srila Prabhupada’s Vani being most important for our advancement in Krishna Consciousness as it is most certainly the ‘Overiding Principal’.
   Vedic Astrology can be viewed as a stepping stone if this contributes to an ‘EVOLVING ADHERENCE’, dedication and understanding of Guru Tattva,

   His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Maharaja also studied Vedic Astrology (amongst many other ‘somewhat mundane subjects’) but also gave it up. In the example of such a Lliberated Acharya and Paramahamsa, however he is always self-realized and eternally above any mundane principal or process of sadhana bhakti but rather utilizes the mundane elements to surpass, and defeat the materialists through a vast storehouse of knowledge at his disposal.

   Agree wholeheartedly with LW prabhu about your assumption of Rocan. In the Vaisnava community he is just a ‘paid hack’ a used car dealer that’s all. His ‘cash for comments’ position is quite degrading, dishonest and quite insulting and anyone with a few cents worth of devotion can easily see how much of a phony he is. Better to disregard duplicious persons completely as you cannot reason with those who are so low-grade and dishonest. It only serves to suggest that they have some ‘credibility’ (which they demonstrate time and time again, THEY DO NOT HAVE!)

   Always enlivened and humbled by the trancendental realizations and conclusions of those vaisnavas who are dedicated to the loving service of His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Prabhupada (Sole Diksha Guru and only Present Acharya of ISKCON).

   Your servant

   Sudarsana

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7. Amar Puri says:

   14. August 2015 at 4:49 am

   Thank you kindly all of you, Prabhus, for your encouraging participation in sharing your learned thoughts of experiences which are very much appreciated and obliged.

   My heartfelt gratitudes are also to the Editor of this web site rendering his selfless services to protect and promote Shrila Prabhupada’s VANI.

   YS…. Amar Puri.

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8. Vadiraja Das says:

   17. August 2015 at 1:43 am

   For Rochan to advertise his own defeat will be like asking Rochan to agree to advertise on his site,his offensive miss characterization of the eternal ,vivid,productive, viable presence of the permanent spiritual vibration primary active principle of Spiritual connection,despite the absence of the physical transmitter spectacle or representative secondary Vapu form of the spiritual master,as transcendental reciprocal connection alternative.

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9. George A Smith says:

   23. August 2015 at 6:04 am

   I am sorry, but some of us are having difficulty in believing such claims as you are making Amar.
   On the one hand you say that you are no expert in Astrology, that you are barely a beginner, thus for you to even keep up with a scientific argument between astrologers, let alone to be able to refute one side or the other (especially without your presenting any evidence to support your claim that you have done so) makes the accuracy of your claim highly questionable.

   Secondly, Rocana isn’t rjust rejection your writings against his DOR, or even your unqualified rants in regards to a science that by your own admission that you know next to nothing of.

   “I have a very little basic understanding about the principles of the science of astrology. I am not an expert at all. I am just a beginner of little knowing about the Vedic astrology. “ Amar

   Rocana writes to you:
   Hare Krsna.
   We will not publish your writings in the Sun. You are already well aware
   of the reasons for this.
   ys,
   Rocana dasa
   Rocana is rejecting everything that you write. Even if you were to publish an anti-rivik article Rocana still wouldn’t print it for he is rejecting everything and anything that has been written by you Rocana also tells you that you are well aware of the reasons for such rejection, We however are only aware of the reasons that you try to make us think are the true reasons. What appears to us to be somewhat mystifying is thaty instead of telling us these reasons that you are well aware of that you try to make it seem that Rocana dasa is rejecting your articles due to their Rtvik bent,

   Tell you what. In order for us to properly judge the truth of the situation why don’t you help us out and simply post Rocanas self declared reasons in his own words for his complete rejection of anything and everything that you author, no matter whether it is pro-, anti or even neutral in regards to the Rtvik matter? You can also post such writings of yours as occasioned Rocanas responses to them and you? I am sure that through your cooperation in this that we will be able to get to the truth of your claims and isn’t that what you want prabhu?

   Hare Krsna

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