Modern Blasphemy: Earth Is Not a Globe, Part Two
BY: MAYESVARA DASA
May 19, 2016 — IRELAND (SUN) —
Response to Rajasekhara
(1.1) A DISPARITY BETWEEN VEDIC AND MODERN CONCEPTS OF THE EARTH
The following is a response to Rajasekhara dasa’s articles: “Flat Earth Theory – Completely Flattened” and “Whose Version Should You Believe?“. Part One of “Modern Blasphemy” can be found here.
In this article we will look at the statements of Srila Prabhupada on the flat-Earth issue. In the above two articles, Rajasekhara dasa presents a number of quotations in which Srila Prabhupada states that the shape of the Earth is round and globe-shaped. There are other available conversations in which Srila Prabhupada seemingly rejects the idea of the flat-Earth concept. Certainly, from many of the available conversations and purports, Srila Prabhupada spoke as if he naturally assumed that Earth was a globe. Rajasekhara dasa wants to take certain quotations from Srila Prabhupada as infallible proof that the Earth is indeed a globe in space, and any idea to the contrary is offensive to Srila Prabhupada, heretical, and anathema.
However, Rajasekhara dasa’s immovable position does not take into consideration that the whole question of the Earth’s shape and location became a serious issue and source of contention in July 1977 when Srila Prabhupada was for the first time presented with maps of the Vedic cosmos based on the Srimad Bhagavatam’s cosmology. We shall look at some of these conversations presently; and as we shall see, by July 1977, it became very evident to everyone involved in the research for the Planetarium (Srila Prabhupada included) that a major disparity exists between the modern conception of the Earth as a globe in space, and Sukadeva Goswami’s description of Bharata-varsha’s shape and location on the Bhu-mandala (where our Earth is situated). According to Sukadeva Goswami, Bharata-varsha is one of the nine sections of Jambudwipa, the central island of Bhu-mandala (the great circular horizontal plane that crosses the universe dividing the universe into higher and lower sections). There is no description by Sukadeva Goswami of Bharata-varsha being a globe in space. Srila Prabhupada instructed his disciples to investigate this disparity and a conclusion was not reached. In September 1977 Srila Prabhupada entered Samadhi. The discussion continues…
So bear in mind that most of what Srila Prabhupada said regarding a globe-shaped Earth came before March/July 1977 when the TOVP discussions began in earnest. It was only when Srila Prabhupada’s disciples presented the first maps of Bhu-mandala in July 1977 that the question of Bharata-varsha as flat or globular became a very real and serious question. The question of the Earth’s shape had been posed before, to which Srila Prabhupada gave various replies, but only at this point in 1977 when the maps of Bhu-mandala were drawn did anyone have a means of comparing one model against the other – and to everyone’s disconcertment, the two models did not match up.
The Flat Earth Model of the MAYAPUR TEMPLE OF VEDIC PLANETARIUM EXHIBITIONS
Here we see the 800,000 mile round circular island of Jambudwipa with the golden Mount Meru in the centre. In this video, Antardwipa dasa (present head of the TOVP cosmology) narrates the following: “Here we can see Jambudwipa the central island of Bhu-mandala, and Bharata varsha is situated on the southern side of that.” In other words Bharata-varsha (of which our Earth is one section is situated on the same horizontal plane as the rest of Jambudwipa. You won’t see a globe-shaped Earth depicted here for the simple reason that Srimad Bhagavatamdoes not describe Bharata-varsha as a globe.
Full article: Modern Blasphemy: Earth Is Not a Globe
“You won’t see a globe-shaped Earth depicted here for the simple reason that Srimad Bhagavatamdoes not describe Bharata-varsha as a globe.”
We may extract a circular object from a flattened peace of material, draw a circle on a flat paper, and so on.If we go to the inconceivable higher dimensions (4-dim or higher), it would be perfectly possible to get a 3-dimensional globe on a 4-dimensional flat surface. If we have a suitable body we would be able to perceive the descriptions of the Universe as given by Sukadeva goswami.
What we see in the picture above is an attempt to make a 2-dimensional projection of a higher dimensional space. It simply won’t work, as we cannot make such a model which predicts movements of celestial objects, seasons, moon phases, eclipses and so on. We have to come down to 3-dimensional space to do that, as is done by Surya-siddhanta and modern scientists. The 3-dimensional model may not describe the true reality, but it works good for astronomical predictions.
There is no purpose to argue whether the Earth is flat or globe. It is a globe to our senses and mind. This is a common sense. Being practical. If no better model can be made to describe the Universe, we should stick to what we already know and works perfectly well.
The Bhagavatam describes the Universe from the perspective of demigods.
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Gauranga das:There is no purpose to argue whether the Earth is flat or globe. It is a globe to our senses and mind. This is a common sense. Being practical. If no better model can be made to describe the Universe, we should stick to what we already know and works perfectly well.
The Bhagavatam describes the Universe from the perspective of demigods.
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh: And—– sum total of all demigods is Srila Prabhupada:
SSR 2 Choosing a Spiritual Master
In the Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.17.27) it is said:
acaryam mam vijaniyan
navamanyeta karhicit
na martya-buddhyasuyeta
sarva-devamayo guruh
“One should understand the spiritual master to be as good as I am,” said the Blessed Lord. “Nobody should be jealous of the spiritual master or think of him as an ordinary man, because the spiritual master is the sum total of all demigods.”
Note: And sum total of all demigods, Srila Prabhupada, says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
Why these people can not follow what the Guru Srila Prabhupda, theSadhus and the Sastras have to say ?
Whatever is said and written in the VANI’s of the Bhagavatas without adding or deleting or creating any type of smoke screen by the personal motivated agenda of the conditioned JIVAS’ in their own writing, thus, confusing people more and more, we should all discuss by asking questions based on the ACCEPTED and PUBLISHED VANI of the Acharyas during their manifested LILA.
Therefore, WHY MAYESVARA DASA is not writing upon what Srila Prabhupada gave instructions like the example given below on the subject instead of writing his own smoke screen presentation with full of FLAWS ?
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Letter to: Svarupa Damodara
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Auckland
27 April, 1976
76-04-27
Atlanta
My dear Svarupa Damodara Das,
Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. The pivot is the pole star, and the whole tree is rotating on this pivot. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. The planets have their fixed orbits, but still they are turning with the turning of the great tree. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
We can see that at night, how the whole planetary system is turning around, the pole star being the pivot. Each planet has its orbit fixed but the sun is moving up and down, north and south. It is not that we shall accept the theory that the sun is fixed up and the others are all going around the sun. That is not correct. Even the 7th star is rotating once around the pole star in each 24 hours. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. The sun is going north and south, it has its own orbit below the moon. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
I hope that this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/pks
To really understand the workings and dynamics of this material universe requires that one is Lord Brahma, as it is Lord Brahma that is creator of this material universe. So this is possible as Lord Brahma is jiva soul,(as we are) but also because he is demigod, there is some independence remaining. Perhaps Mayesvara Das has this desire, and possibly others also to eventually occupy this position of Lord Brahma. This is something that may take many lifetimes! So Srila Prabhupada he is encouraging also. So how is it possible for us with one head to comprehend this material universe which is created by Lord Brahma who has four heads? and if this is of such great importance what about the other universes? Other Lord Brahmas have 100 heads, 1,000 heads, 10,000 and so on so why stop at four?
Lord Brahma is also in bewilderment even if he is familiar with the material dynamics of this material universe as was evident in Lord Krishna’s pastime of the stealing of the cows and the cowherd boys, by Lord Brahma and later when Lord Brahma saw all the other Lord Brahmas in the assembly! So it is important to note that the bewilderment of Lord Brahma (even though he is creator of this particular universe) is not something which is ‘desirable’ for Uttama Adhikari Acharya such as Srila Prabhupada as Srila Prabhupada is the sum total of all the demigods and has NO, (even minute) desire for any independence from the Supreme Lord, who is Himself the source of all power and knowledge!
Wherever the ‘CO2 climate change hoaxers’ give their speeches at rally’s and meetings they always refer to the ‘opposition’ as being ‘in the dark ages’ and always bring up belief in ‘flat earth’ but this is NOT the belief in the so called medieval times, as has already been proved. This is just a PSYOP as they don’t want their ‘CO2 global warming hoax’ to be exposed. The head of EPA (USA) resigned the other day because of corruption. The organizer of the first “Earth Summit” communist Jew, Maurice Strong stole almost a million dollars in the “food for oil” scandal and AL Gore’s ”climate graphs” have all been proven to be FALSE! This rascal is a pathological liar and agent of the Freemason Illuminati Ur Lodge Frater Kronos (who helped him with previous US election campaign). Frater Kronos was founded by Jew Zbigniew Brezinski, who along with Jew (mass murderer) Henry Kissinger created the Illuminati Ur Lodge “Three Eyes” These personalities are the REAL POWER behind Trump who is just a puppet who does what he is told. Their real agenda is population control, genocide, agenda 21 and The New World Order.
Discussion about Bhu-mandala — July 5, 1977, Vrndavana
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We got a version from South India, and we’ve even found that there are different conceptions of what the Bhāgavata is saying. But the Purāṇas, they give some Puranic references.
Bhakti-prema: It is written the world… The earth is round and flat.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Bhakti-prema: Earth is round and flat both, together.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Everything you conceived, that is wrong. Yes. Therefore inconceivable.
Yaśodā-nandana: If it is inconceivable, then they will say how we can conceive it?
Prabhupāda: Take the version of Bhāgavatam.
The Version of the Bhagavatam
According to the vedic scriptures our particular egg-shaped universe is divided across the middle by a flat horizontal plane called Bhu-mandala, which literally means the Earth circle, or Earth plane.
SB 5.16.5 — The planetary system known as Bhū-maṇḍala resembles a lotus flower, and its seven islands resemble the whorl of that flower. The length and breadth of the island known as Jambūdvīpa, which is situated in the middle of the whorl, are one million yojanas [eight million miles]. Jambūdvīpa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower. (SB 5.16.5)
SB 5.16.6 — In Jambūdvīpa there are nine divisions of land, each with a length of 9,000 yojanas [72,000 miles]. There are eight mountains that mark the boundaries of these divisions and separate them nicely.
The 5. Canto SB describes in hundreds of verses the shape of the earth. So there is ample evidence for the plane within the lotus flower of Bhumandala, yet due to contradictory modern views and global consciousness promoted since the advent of the heliocentric globe model of Copernicus in 1543, there is doubt in the minds of people who have accepted modern mundane scientific views and hoax images of space .With the recent advent of the propaganda from the known hoax space agency nasa some devotees of Krsna have made a concerted effort to comform to the mundane views of modern scholars and space agency advocates.
“Prabhupāda: So we are also conditioned. But as far as possible we take description from Bhāgavata, try to. That is our… Suppose here is India, here is Los Angeles. You start from India, Los Angeles…, or India, you’ll come to Los Angeles. And again return to India. Similarly you start from this again going.(770703_-_Conversation_-_Vrndavana)
IS THE EARTH SIMPLY FLAT ?
Srila Prabhupada disagreed with the square flat earth (of the Christians) ie. it is not square it is round like a disc within, the lotus of bhumandala.Nevertheless Srila Prabhupada went on to state it is flat , as quoted here when he said “Flat. Flat, yes.”.
Prabhupada: the people were under the impression that this world is square. Is it not?
Devotees: Flat.
Prabhupada: Flat. Flat, yes. But in the Vedic sastra, millions of years ago it is mentioned: bhu-gola. Gola means round. Just see. And these rascals say that formerly people were not so intelligent. They are intelligent because they are thinking that this world is flat. And those who have spoken millions of years ago, “It is round,” they will have less intelligence. Just see. Bhu, gola. Gola means round. Bhu-gola.
“Prabhupāda: So we are also conditioned. But as far as possible we take description from Bhāgavata, try to. That is our… Suppose here is India, here is Los Angeles. You start from India, Los Angeles…, or India, you’ll come to Los Angeles. And again return to India. Similarly you start from this again going. (770703_-_Conversation_-_Vrndavana)
Prabhupada: And it was not possible for me to digest. (laughs) Somebody else helped me to… I am a layman. I do not know.
Tamala Krishna: How did you write it?
Prabhupada: That somebody, Krishna, helped me. That He manufactured…When I was writing, I was praying Krishna that “I do not actually accommodate all this knowledge. Please help me.” Yes. That’s all right. (Room Conversation, June 18, 1977, Vrindavana)
When Srila Prabhupada said, “I do not actually accommodate all this knowledge,” we should not think it was because Srila Prabhupada couldn’t accommodate the knowledge of the Fifth Canto cosmology; rather, it was because (probably for want of time in trying to complete his Srimad Bhagavatam translation, and considering all the details involved in Vedic cosmology), he tactfully delegated the study of ‘all this knowledge’ to some of his disciples:
“Now our Ph.D.’s must collaborate and study the Fifth Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium… So now all you Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the Fifth Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc., then it will be very powerful propaganda.” (Letter from Srila Prabhupada to Svarupa Damodara dasa, April 27, 1976)
Prabhupada: Now you all together make this Vedic planetarium very nice, so that people will come and see. From the description of the Srimad Bhagavatam, you prepare this Vedic planetarium. (Room Conversation, June 15, 1976 Detroit)
Still there are some misconceptions among devotees, some claiming the earth to be a planet. The word ‘planet’ in Sanskrit/ Devanagari is ‘graha’ and not ‘loka’. In the vedic scriptures the earth is always described as a LOKA (a world) and NOT as GRAHA (heavenly body or so-called planet). There is a big difference between a graha and loka.
The Sanskrit dictionary defines a LOKA (लोक) as: world, realm, abode, region, plane, a place of living, dwelling. So Krsna-loka is the abode of Krsna and Bhu-loka is realm of the mortals. Loka (world) refers to the various planes of dwelling. Thus bhu-loka is the earth plane wherein embodied humans reside, the realm of physical nature. And Pitri-loka is the abode of the forefathers.
So naturally the 7 lokas above Bhu-mandala have to be realms/regions, which are accordingly discribed in Srimad Bhagavatam. Higher, flat subtle planes that resemble lotus flowers. Each realm above us is like a lotus flower. These are perverted reflections of the spiritual sky, which is a transcendental lotus flower.
“That original planet, Goloka Vṛndāvana, is described in the Brahma-saṁhitā, ‘just like a lotus flower’. The spiritual planet, Goloka Vṛndāvana, the eternal abode of Lord Kṛṣṇa, is shaped like the whorl of a lotus flower.” (SB.)
“Then from His navel the stem of the lotus flower sprouted, and on the flower petals the birth of Brahmā, or the master engineer of the universal plan, took place.” (SB.)
We don’t live on a ball floating in space, same way Lord Brahma doesn’t live on a ball floating in Satya-loka. Krishna doesn’t live on a ball either. Krisna-loka the abode of Lord Krishna is shaped like a lotus flower, an island surrounded by an ocean of milk. Not like a spiritual sky with ball-like planets.
According to Sanskrit dictionary the so-called Planets are described as GRAHA’s (ग्रह), heavenly bodies or luminaries, such as Sun, Moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Rāhu, and Ketu. These planets are also called Nava-Graha (नवग्रह), the nine planets. The earth is NEVER called a graha. The grahas or heavenly bodies circling above the earth plane or bhu-loka thus influencing the lives of all beings.
Although the word ‘planet’ has been placed on these realms by Srila Prabhupada’s translation work of Srimad Bhagavatam but we must look at the Sanskrit texts and go beyond this planet/ball misconception. The word ‘planetary-system’ should be forgotten altogether. It only creates confusion and misunderstanding in people who get the impression of Star Wars/sci-fi like scenery when hearing this word.
Forget Star Wars. Forget Nasa’s fake space and the 500 year-old globe ball Jesuit lies. We need to start fresh according to the original Sanskrit verses of Srimad Bhagvatam and the other Puranas that describe flat planes and realms, not planets and planetary systems. This way we can go back to the original teachings of the Vedas before humanity was poisoned with fake ball/space lies of modern NASA.
Why Did Srila Prabhupada Call the Earth a Globe?
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/bhu-mandala/earth-globe.html
“Still there are some misconceptions among devotees, some claiming the earth to be a planet. The word ‘planet’ in Sanskrit/ Devanagari is ‘graha’ and not ‘loka’. In the vedic scriptures the earth is always described as a LOKA (a world) and NOT as GRAHA (heavenly body or so-called planet). There is a big difference between a graha and loka.”
Thank you for the wonderful post, prabhu. Here I have also made little research for the benefit of all interested.
There are currently four meanings of earth:
1. The planet on which we live; the world (PLANET).
2. The surface of the world as distinct from the sky or the sea (GROUND SURFACE).
3. The present abode of humankind, as distinct from heaven or hell (INTERMEDIATE ABODE).
4. The personification of the Earth, (chiefly) conceived as a fertile, nurturing, and loving mother (MOTHER EARTH).
The word “planet” is more interesting, as it’s origin is attributed to the ancient Greeks, who believed the earth is stationary at the center of the universe, while all objects in the sky are revolving around it. The Greek term “asters planetai” mean “wandering stars”. The “planet” is derived from “planetai” which means “wandering”. These wandering stars, back then, amounted to Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Some think the Greeks and Romans of ancient times also considered the sun and earth’s moon as planets.
Only later, around 15th or 16th century, with the modeling of heliocentric universe (Nicolaus Copernicus, and company) the earth (the world we are all standing on) is added as the 6th planet.
If we are to understand the English words “planet” or “earth”, we need to take into consideration their different meanings, history and context, similarly as we do with the Sanskrit language.
As I have understood from the above quote, GRAHA is a heavenly body (planet), and it never refers to earth (considered by modern scientists as also a “planet”). This conforms with understanding of earth prior to modeling of heliocentric universe, when earth was never considered as a planet (wandering star).
On the other hand, LOKA (a world) does not mean a planet (graha). So, there is a difference between a graha and loka – graha is a heavenly planet, and loka is a world (like present abode of humankind or earth).
So, there should be no confusion among devotees whether the earth should be considered to be a planet (graha) or the world (loka). The confusion started only after 15th century with the advent of heliocentric universe, when the earth was added as the 6th “planetai” or “wandering (star)”, revolving around sun (500 year-old Jesuit lies).
Thus, we have confirmed that the earth is not a heavenly body or planet (graha). Ancient Europeans also never considered the earth to be a heavenly body, but a human abode (loka) between heaven and hell. This is how we should understand this Universe, and this is how Srimad Bhagavatam is describing it to us.
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Note: THIS earth PLANET is just A PART of the PLANETARY SYSTEM called: Bhu mandala.
TEXT 31
ye vā u ha tad-ratha-caraṇa-nemi-kṛta-parikhātās te sapta sindhava āsan yata eva kṛtāḥ sapta bhuvo dvīpāḥ.
SYNONYMS
ye—that; vā u ha—certainly; tat-ratha—of his chariot; caraṇa—of the wheels; nemi—by the rims; kṛta—made; parikhātāḥ—trenches; te—those; sapta—seven; sindhavaḥ—oceans; āsan—became; yataḥ—because of which; eva—certainly; kṛtāḥ—were made; sapta—seven; bhuvaḥ—of the Bhū-maṇḍala; dvīpāḥ—islands.
TRANSLATION
When Priyavrata drove his chariot behind the sun, the rims of his chariot wheels created impressions that later became seven oceans, dividing the PLANETARY SYSTEM known as Bhū-maṇḍala into seven islands.
PURPORT
Sometimes the planets in outer space are called islands. We have experience of various types of islands in the ocean, and similarly the VARIOUS planets, divided into fourteen lokas, are islands in the ocean of space. As Priyavrata drove his chariot behind the sun, HE CREATED SEVEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF OCEANS AND PLANETARY SYSTEMS, WHICH ALTOGETHER ARE KNOWN AS BHŪ-MAṆḌALA, OR BHŪLOKA.
IN THE GĀYATRĪ MANTRA, WE CHANT, OṀ BHŪR BHUVAḤ SVAḤ TAT SAVITUR VAREṆYAM.
ABOVE THE BHŪLOKA PLANETARY SYSTEM IS BHUVARLOKA, AND ABOVE THAT IS SVARGALOKA, THE HEAVENLY PLANETARY SYSTEM.
All these planetary systems are controlled by Savitā, the sun-god. By chanting the Gāyatrī mantra just after rising early in the morning, one worships the sun-god.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/5/1/31
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Note: the PLANETS are ARRANGED in each universe in LAYERS LIKE the PETALS of a lotus
Letter to: Rupanuga
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Los Angeles
20 December, 1968
68-12-20
Regarding your question of the PLANETARY SYSTEMS, the PLANETS are ARRANGED in each universe in LAYERS LIKE the PETALS of a lotus. BUT IN EACH LAYER THERE IS MIXED BOTH HEAVENLY, HELLISH AND MIDDLE PLANETS. On the outside layer there are these three kinds of planets, on the middle layers there are the three kinds of planets and on the inner-most layer there are found these three kinds of planets. Above these layers, in the center, is the Brahmaloka where Lord Brahma, the creator is residing. So the earth planet and the moon planet are both on the same layer but the earth is middle planet and the moon is heavenly planet.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/los_angeles/december/20/1968/rupanuga
Note VERY CAREFULLY : Srila Prabhupada says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
Pariksit Das:
IS THE EARTH SIMPLY FLAT ?
Srila Prabhupada disagreed with the square flat earth (of the Christians) ie. it is not square it is round like a disc within, the lotus of bhumandala.Nevertheless Srila Prabhupada went on to state it is flat , as quoted here when he said “Flat. Flat, yes.”.
Prabhupada: the people were under the impression that this world is square. Is it not?
Devotees: Flat.
Prabhupada: Flat. Flat, yes. But in the Vedic sastra, millions of years ago it is mentioned: bhu-gola. Gola means round. Just see. And these rascals say that formerly people were not so intelligent. They are intelligent because they are thinking that this world is flat. And those who have spoken millions of years ago, “It is round,” they will have less intelligence. Just see. Bhu, gola. Gola means round. Bhu-gola.
Mahesh: When Srila Prabhupada repeats Flat. Flat, yes THAT is in REPEAT response to thought in THOSE terms (of the Christians). It should NOT be TWISTED to disc description. Srila Prabhupada gives ACTUAL SHAPE: EGG SHAPE: “WE DON’T SAY IT IS FLAT. SASTRA NEVER SAYS, “FLAT.” THEN YOU CORRECT, “NO, NO, IT IS NOT FLAT. IT IS ROUND.” THIS IS SASTRA. LONG, LONG YEARS, IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS CALLED ROUND, ANDA. GOLOKA, GO, GOLOKA, BHURLOKA. GOLOKA MEANS ROUND. GOLOKA VRNDAVANA. EVERYTHING IS ROUND. SO JAGAD-ANDA. ANDA, ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE”:
751101SB.NAI Lectures
That is described in the sastra. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Krsna’s body is bluish or blackish; therefore you see the sky bluish because the rays in the spiritual world is effulgence, bluish effulgence, and that is being reflected through the sky. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. His bodily light is being reflected in millions and trillions of universes. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda. Jagad-anda means… ANDA, IT IS ROUND. ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE. WE DON’T SAY IT IS FLAT. SASTRA NEVER SAYS, “FLAT.” THEN YOU CORRECT, “NO, NO, IT IS NOT FLAT. IT IS ROUND.” THIS IS SASTRA. LONG, LONG YEARS, IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS CALLED ROUND, ANDA. GOLOKA, GO, GOLOKA, BHURLOKA. GOLOKA MEANS ROUND. GOLOKA VRNDAVANA. EVERYTHING IS ROUND. SO JAGAD-ANDA. ANDA, ANDA MEANS EGG SHAPE. JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI. THE EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE IS EGG SHAPE; IT IS COVERED. SO YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI KOTISU. AND EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE, KOTISU… IN EACH, NOT THAT IN ONE UNIVERSE. WE SEE SO MANY UNIVERSES, ONE UNIVERSE, BUT THERE ARE MANY MILLIONS OF UNIVERSES. YASYA PRABHA PRABHAVATO JAGAD-ANDA-KOTI KOTISU ASESA-VASUDHADI BHINNAM. AND IN EACH AND EVERY UNIVERSE THERE ARE SO MANY PLANETS, ASESA, YOU CANNOT COUNT–UNLIMITED–IN ONE UNIVERSE, AND THERE ARE MILLIONS OF UNIVERSES. What is your material knowledge? What do you know? You are trying to go to the moon planet. That is also you committing mistake. And what about the millions of universes?
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730930BG.BOM Lectures
That point is missing. Real enjoyer or proprietor is Krsna. Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram. He’s the proprietor. Sarva loka, not only of this loka, earthly planet, but there are innumerable planets within this universe and there are innumerable universes also, not one universe. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti. Jagad-anda means universe. It is just like EGG SHAPE. ANDA. You can see this universe, the sky is…, horizon. So it is just like egg shape. ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED. THEREFORE they are called ANDA, jagad-ANDA, brahmANDA. So this jagad-ANDA.
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All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
When you look at the moon planet do you see a flat DISK? And sun planet is it flat DISK? Earth is flat disk????
WHERE does Srila Prabhupada say earth planet is flat Disk? Please QUOTE Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada says EGG SHAPED. Srila Prabhupada mentions THE SHAPE of ALL the planets:
ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED. THEREFORE they are called ANDA, jagad-ANDA, brahmANDA. So this jagad-ANDA.
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
What is the PROBLEM in understanding? These PLANETS ARE egg shaped—- BUT—— they are ARRANGED LIKE the PETALS of a LOTUS.
Note: the PLANETS are ARRANGED in each universe in LAYERS LIKE the PETALS of a lotus:
Letter to: Rupanuga
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Los Angeles
20 December, 1968
68-12-20
Regarding your question of the PLANETARY SYSTEMS, the PLANETS are ARRANGED in each universe in LAYERS LIKE the PETALS of a lotus. BUT IN EACH LAYER THERE IS MIXED BOTH HEAVENLY, HELLISH AND MIDDLE PLANETS. On the outside layer there are these three kinds of planets, on the middle layers there are the three kinds of planets and on the inner-most layer there are found these three kinds of planets. Above these layers, in the center, is the Brahmaloka where Lord Brahma, the creator is residing. So the earth planet and the moon planet are both on the same layer but the earth is middle planet and the moon is heavenly planet.
Note: Srila Prabhupada gives the example of ant and wheel. Specific to the example is its position which is RELATIVE. So what the teeny(tiny) ant can see is ALL flat surface because the wheel is so LARGE in RELATIVE position to its OWN size. What we who are like minute ants see as FLAT surface on earth is what the ant sees on that wheel:it is RELATIVE size. How can an ant notice the curve of BIG massive wheel?
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, if the earth is moving so fast, why isn’t everything blown off?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Bhavānanda: Why are we not blown off the surface of this planet? Now it’s moving so fast. How are we able to remain here and not be blown off?
Prabhupāda: I do not follow.
Bhavānanda: The planet is moving…
Harikeśa: He’s saying, “We’re moving, so therefore the wind should blow everybody off, the speed.”
Hṛdayānanda: Why is everything so peaceful if we’re moving so fast?
Prabhupāda: Which is moving so fast?
Hṛdayānanda: Well, Bhavānanda said…
Bhavānanda: Planet, this planet is moving so fast, but it doesn’t appear to be moving at all.
Prabhupāda: Suppose a small ant is on some big wheel, does it feel anything, movement? A big wheel and a small ant. What he will feel? This is called relativity. Law of relativity. Why you are thinking that relatively you are very big? That is your foolishness. You are nothing, insignificant. Therefore you are surprised when Kṛṣṇa appeared as Varāha-mūrti, to take the whole earth on His nose. Who will say it is mythology? You do not know how great Kṛṣṇa can become. Mahato mahīyān. Aṇu… What is that?
Hṛdayānanda: Aṇor aṇī…
Śāstrījī: Aṇor aṇīyān anusmared yaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Aṇor aṇīyān mahato mahīyāt. So He is greater than the greatest. Yaśodāmāyī thought that “My child are eating earth? So show.” She saw all the planetary system within His mouth. So she thought, “What is this? All right, don’t do this.” (laughs)
Hṛdayānanda: So to accept a spiritual master means that one has to learn everything again.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Hṛdayānanda: That to accept a spiritual master means that we have to learn everything over again. Practically everything we learned was incorrect.
Prabhupāda: It is correct to SOME extent but… Just like you can see to some extent, but that does not mean you can see everything. You have got limited potency. This is called unlimited and limited. We are limited.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1976/feb/morning_walk/mayapura/february/04/1976
Note: Srila Prabhupada says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
Henry “The Navigator” went to the Americas long before Columbus. Henry was relative of Columbus, all these personalities were members of the Knights Templar (the red Maltese Cross on sails of their ships, signify this). Rosslyn Chapel (Scotland) was built by the Templars after they fled France some decades after they burned at the stake Templar Leader Jacques de Molay, (for plotting against the Monarchy) some of these Templars also went to England and Portugal. Henry ”The Navigator” went to the Americas at least 50 years before Columbus.
The Templars were founded by Hughes de Payens in the Champagne region of France somewhere between 11th and 12th Century’s and are the basis of the Illuminati, worship of Molloch, human sacrifice, infanticide, usury, slavery and sexual perversion (under the mask of Christianity!) is their speciality as they are Crypto Jews (sound familiar?) Rosslyn “Chapel” has (even to this day) stone carved friezes of corn cobs in it’s interior, (only from Americas) 50 years before Columbus went there, so this is the proof.
These guys were plunderers and pillagers so they were not going to ‘broadcast’ the source of their plunder. Columbus was a Marrano Jew and Queen Isabella was going to kick all the Jews out of Spain as they would not adhere to Catholicism only in ‘pretense’ (sound familiar?) so did a deal with Columbus to plunder the Americas!
The “Education System” which is also an Illuminati propaganda program has created this PSYOP (everyone has ”learnt” in school) that Columbus was venturing into unchartered territory, which is total bullshit, that his men were all fearful of ”going over the edge of the earth, also total bullshit ans that Columbus has proved that the earth is a globe…..total bullshit again! This false idea that the “Christians” thought that it was likely that a ship could simply sail off the edge is a complete PSYOP and fabricated like so many other thing to ”destroy religion” as this is the goal of the Illuminati (going back thousands of years to Babalonian, Egyptian and Jewish Mysticism.
They are using this same nonsense PSYOP to discredit those who expose their ”CO2 global warming” myth by saying that they are ”unscientific” and ”living in the dark ages, when people thought that the earth was a ”giant pizza” just floating in space (which they of course didn’t, and there are illustrations to prove this, as have been posted on Prabhupadanugas also!). There is NO DIFFERENCE between Templars, Priory of Sion, Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Satanists, Cabbalists or Black magicians.
Galileo, Copernicus, Columbus, Vasco de Gama, Leonardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton are All members of these organizations and all involved in these secret societies. What people think are “Christians” and “Muslims” or even “Hindus”are in fact Crypto Jews (as with FISKCON), Marawadis and Parsi’s are the Jews of India. The Pope is a Jesuit, (Crypto Jew) and former Pope (The Nazi) Benedict’s family are All Rabbi’s going back to to the 16th Century. The modern day NASA is a Freemason PSYOP as is the Smithsonian Institute that houses the “moon module, moon suit etc”. Jame Smithson (Freemason) founded it, and it has been controlled by Freemasons ever since. Stanley Kubrick (“Three Eyes” Illuminati Lodge) filmed the “moon landing” in a studio in the desert All “astronaughts” all high level members of the Freemason Illuminati.
So the “flat earth” Idea is just a PSYOP created by the Illuminati! That’s all!
Pariksit Das :Still there are some misconceptions among devotees, some claiming the earth to be a planet. The word ‘planet’ in Sanskrit/ Devanagari is ‘graha’ and not ‘loka’. In the vedic scriptures the earth is always described as a LOKA (a world) and NOT as GRAHA (heavenly body or so-called planet). There is a big difference between a graha and loka.
The Sanskrit dictionary defines a LOKA (लोक) as: world, realm, abode, region, plane, a place of living, dwelling. So Krsna-loka is the abode of Krsna and Bhu-loka is realm of the mortals. Loka (world) refers to the various planes of dwelling. Thus bhu-loka is the earth plane wherein embodied humans reside, the realm of physical nature. And Pitri-loka is the abode of the forefathers.
Mahesh: We ONLY accept Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada used the term earth to refer to as planet. Also, LOKA term that Srila Prabhupada used in Srimad Bhagavatam to refer to planet is good enough for us Prabhupadanugas:
TEXT 29
sva-dharma-niṣṭhaḥ śata-janmabhiḥ pumān
viriñcatām eti tataḥ paraṁ hi mām
avyākṛtaṁ bhāgavato ’tha vaiṣṇavaṁ
padaṁ yathāhaṁ vibudhāḥ kalātyaye
SYNONYMS
sva-dharma-niṣṭhaḥ—one who is situated in his own dharma, or occupation; śata-janmabhiḥ—for one hundred births; pumān—a living entity; viriñcatām—the post of Lord Brahmā; eti—gets; tataḥ—thereafter; param—above; hi—certainly; mām—attains me; avyākṛtam—without deviation; bhāgavataḥ—unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; atha—therefore; vaiṣṇavam—a pure devotee of the Lord; padam—post; yathā—as; aham—I; vibudhāḥ—demigods; kalā-atyaye—after the annihilation of the material world.
TRANSLATION
A person who executes his occupational duty properly for one hundred births becomes qualified to occupy the post of Brahmā, and if he becomes more qualified, he can approach Lord Śiva. A person who is directly surrendered to Lord Kṛṣṇa, or Viṣṇu, in unalloyed devotional service is immediately promoted to the spiritual planets. Lord Śiva and other demigods attain these planets after the destruction of this material world.
PURPORT
This verse gives an idea of the highest perfection of the evolutionary process. As described by the Vaiṣṇava poet Jayadeva Gosvāmī, pralaya-payodhi jale dhṛtavān asi vedam **. Let us begin tracing the evolutionary process from the point of devastation (pralaya), when the whole universe is filled with water. At that time there are many fishes and other aquatics, and from these aquatics evolve creepers, trees, etc. From these, insects and reptiles evolve, and from them birds, beasts and then human beings and finally civilized human beings. Now, the civilized human being is at a junction where he can make further evolutionary progress in spiritual life. Here it is stated (sva-dharma-niṣṭhaḥ) that when a living entity comes to a civilized form of life, there must be sva-dharma, social divisions according to one’s work and qualifications. This is indicated in Bhagavad-gītā (4.13):
cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ
guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
“According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me.”
In civilized human society there must be the divisions of brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya and śūdra, and everyone must properly execute his occupational duty in accordance with his division. Here it is described (svadharma-niṣṭhaḥ) that it does not matter whether one is a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya or śūdra. If one sticks to his position and properly executes his particular duty, he is considered a civilized human being. Otherwise he is no better than an animal. IT IS ALSO MENTIONED HEREIN THAT WHOEVER EXECUTES HIS OCCUPATIONAL DUTY (SVA-DHARMA) FOR ONE HUNDRED BIRTHS (FOR INSTANCE, IF A BRĀHMAṆA CONTINUES TO ACT AS A BRĀHMAṆA) BECOMES ELIGIBLE FOR PROMOTION TO BRAHMALOKA, THE PLANET WHERE LORD BRAHMĀ LIVES. THERE IS ALSO A PLANET CALLED ŚIVALOKA, OR SADĀŚIVALOKA, WHICH IS SITUATED IN A MARGINAL POSITION BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL AND MATERIAL WORLDS. IF, AFTER BEING SITUATED IN BRAHMALOKA, ONE BECOMES MORE QUALIFIED, HE IS PROMOTED TO SADĀŚIVALOKA. SIMILARLY, WHEN ONE BECOMES EVEN MORE QUALIFIED, HE CAN ATTAIN THE VAIKUṆṬHALOKAS. THE VAIKUṆṬHALOKAS ARE TARGETS FOR EVERYONE, EVEN THE DEMIGODS, AND THEY CAN BE ATTAINED BY A DEVOTEE WHO HAS NO DESIRE FOR MATERIAL BENEFIT. AS INDICATED IN BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ (8.16), ONE DOES NOT ESCAPE MATERIAL MISERIES EVEN IF HE IS ELEVATED TO BRAHMALOKA (ĀBRAHMA-BHUVANĀL LOKĀḤ PUNAR ĀVARTINO ’RJUNA). SIMILARLY, ONE IS NOT VERY SAFE EVEN IF HE IS PROMOTED TO ŚIVALOKA, BECAUSE THE PLANET OF ŚIVALOKA IS MARGINAL. HOWEVER, IF ONE ATTAINS VAIKUṆṬHALOKA, HE ATTAINS THE HIGHEST PERFECTION OF LIFE AND THE END OF THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS (MĀM UPETYA TU KAUNTEYA PUNAR JANMA NA VIDYATE). IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS CONFIRMED HEREIN THAT A PERSON IN HUMAN SOCIETY WHO HAS DEVELOPED CONSCIOUSNESS MUST TAKE TO KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS IN ORDER TO BE PROMOTED TO VAIKUṆṬHALOKA OR KṚṢṆALOKA IMMEDIATELY AFTER LEAVING THE BODY. TYAKTVĀ DEHAṀ PUNAR JANMA NAITI MĀM ETI SO ’RJUNA (BG. 4.9). A DEVOTEE WHO IS FULLY IN KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS, WHO IS NOT ATTRACTED BY ANY OTHER LOKA, OR PLANET, INCLUDING BRAHMALOKA AND ŚIVALOKA, IS IMMEDIATELY TRANSFERRED TO KṚṢṆALOKA (MĀM ETI). THAT IS THE HIGHEST PERFECTION OF LIFE AND THE PERFECTION OF THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS.
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TEXTS 50–51
dravya-sūkṣma-vipākaś ca
dhūmo rātrir apakṣayaḥ
ayanaṁ dakṣiṇaṁ somo
darśa oṣadhi-vīrudhaḥ
annaṁ reta iti kṣmeśa
pitṛ-yānaṁ punar-bhavaḥ
ekaikaśyenānupūrvaṁ
bhūtvā bhūtveha jāyate
SYNONYMS
dravya-sūkṣma-vipākaḥ—the paraphernalia offered as oblations in the fire, such as food grains mixed with ghee; ca—and; dhūmaḥ—turned to smoke, or the demigod in charge of smoke; rātriḥ—the demigod in charge of night; apakṣayaḥ—in the dark fortnight of the moon; ayanam—the demigod in charge of the passing of the sun; dakṣiṇam—in the southern zone; somaḥ—the moon; darśaḥ—returning; oṣadhi—plant life (on the surface of the earth); vīrudhaḥ—vegetation in general (the birth of lamentation); annam—food grains; retaḥ—semen; iti—in this way; kṣma-īśa—O King Yudhiṣṭhira, lord of the earth; pitṛ-yānam—the way of taking birth from the father’s semen; punaḥ-bhavaḥ—again and again; eka-ekaśyena—one after another; anupūrvam—successively, according to the gradation; bhūtvā—taking birth; bhūtvā—again taking birth; iha—in this material world; jāyate—one exists in the materialistic way of life.
TRANSLATION
My dear King Yudhiṣṭhira, when oblations of ghee and food grains like barley and sesame are offered in sacrifice, they turn into celestial smoke, which carries one to successively higher planetary systems like the kingdoms of Dhumā, Rātri, Kṛṣṇapakṣa, Dakṣiṇam and ultimately the moon. Then, however, the performers of sacrifice descend again to earth to become herbs, creepers, vegetables and food grains. These are eaten by different living entities and turned to semen, which is injected into female bodies. Thus one takes birth again and again.
PURPORT
This is explained in Bhagavad-gītā (9.21):
te taṁ bhuktvā svarga-lokaṁ viśālaṁ
kṣīṇe puṇye martya-lokaṁ viśanti
evaṁ trayī-dharmam anuprapannā
gatāgataṁ kāma-kāmā labhante
“When those who follow the pravṛtti-mārga have enjoyed heavenly sense pleasure, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus, through the Vedic principles, they achieve only flickering happiness.” Following the pravṛtti-mārga, the living entity who desires to be promoted to the higher planetary systems performs sacrifices regularly, and how he goes up and comes down again is described here in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, as well as in Bhagavad-gītā. It is also said, traiguṇya-viṣayā vedāḥ: “The Vedas deal mainly with the three modes of material nature.” The Vedas, especially three Vedas, namely Sāma, Yajur and Ṛk, vividly describe this process of ascending to the higher planets and returning. But Kṛṣṇa advises Arjuna, traiguṇya-viṣayā vedā nistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna: one has to transcend these three modes of material nature, and then one will be released from the cycle of birth and death. OTHERWISE, ALTHOUGH ONE MAY BE PROMOTED TO A HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEM SUCH AS CANDRALOKA, ONE MUST AGAIN COME DOWN (KṢĪṆE PUṆYE MARTYA-LOKAṀ VIŚANTI [BG. 9.21]). AFTER ONE’S ENJOYMENT DUE TO PIOUS ACTIVITIES IS FINISHED, ONE MUST RETURN TO THIS PLANET IN RAINFALL AND FIRST TAKE BIRTH AS A PLANT OR CREEPER, WHICH IS EATEN BY VARIOUS ANIMALS, INCLUDING HUMAN BEINGS, AND TURNED TO SEMEN. This semen is injected into the female body, and thus the living entity takes birth. Those who return to earth in this way take birth especially in higher families like those of brāhmaṇas.
It may be remarked in this connection that even the modern so-called scientists who are going to the moon are not able to stay there, but are returning to their laboratories. Therefore, whether one goes to the moon by modern mechanical arrangements or by performing pious activities, one must return to earth. That is clearly stated in this verse and explained in Bhagavad-gītā. Even if one goes to the higher planetary systems (yānti deva-vratā devān [Bg. 9.25]), one’s place there is not secure; one must return to martya-loka. Ābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ punar āvartino ’rjuna: [Bg. 8.16] aside from the moon, even if one goes to Brahmaloka, one must return. Yaṁ prāpya na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama: but if one goes back home, back to Godhead, he need not return to this material world.
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yānti deva-vratā devān
pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ
bhūtāni yānti bhūtejyā
yānti mad-yājino ‘pi mām
[Bg. 9.25]
IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEMS BY PIOUS ACTIVITIES, YOU CAN GO THERE, YĀNTI DEVA-VRATĀ DEVĀN. YOU CAN GO TO THE PLANET WHERE LORD BRAHMA LIVES OR WHERE INDRA LIVES OR CANDRA LIVES. The modern process, by taking a sputnik or jet, you can go to the moon planet. But that you can go. Whether you can go or not go, that is up to you. But you cannot stay there. That is not possible. If you want to stay there, then yānti deva-vratā devān. You have to prepare yourself by worshiping that particular deva or deity, demigod; then you will be admitted. Just like if you want to go to a foreign country you have to take the permission of the immigration department, visa, then you can go. If that law is there in this planet, why not for other planet? How you can go abruptly, by force? That is not possible. YĀNTI DEVA-VRATĀ DEVĀN. YOU HAVE TO PREPARE YOURSELF TO GO. YOU CAN GO THERE. BUT AFTER THIS LIFE, IF YOU ARE SUFFICIENTLY PREPARED TO ENTER THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF PLANET, YOU CAN GO THERE. SIMILARLY, YOU CAN GO TO THE PLANET WHERE KṚṢṆA LIVES. MAD-YĀJINO ‘PI YĀNTI MĀM [BG. 9.25]. SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOING TO THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEMS, HEAVENLY PLANET, AND GOING TO THE PLANET WHERE KṚṢṆA LIVES? THE DIFFERENCE IS, YAD GATVĀ NA NIVARTANTE TAD DHĀMA PARAMAṀ MAMA [BG. 15.6]. IF YOU GO TO THE PLANET WHERE KṚṢṆA LIVES, THEN YOU HAVEN’T GOT TO COME BACK AGAIN. OTHERWISE, IN OTHER PLANETS, IN THE HEAVENLY PLANETS, KṢĪṆE PUṆYE PUNAR MARTYA-LOKAṀ VIŚANTI. YOU CAN LIVE THERE, JUST LIKE YOU CAN LIVE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY SO LONG YOUR VISA CONTINUES. SIMPLY… SIMILARLY, YOU CAN GO TO THE HIGHER, HEAVENLY PLANETS, BUT YOU CAN LIVE THERE UP TO THE POINT OF VISA, PUṆYA. BY PIOUS ACTIVITIES YOU CAN GO TO THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEMS, BUT BY IMPIOUS ACTIVITIES YOU GO TO THE LOWER PLANETS. ADHO GACCHANTI TĀMASĀḤ. ADHO GACCHANTI TĀMASĀḤ, JAGHANYA-GUṆA-VṚTTI-STHĀ, ŪRDHVAṀ GACCHANTI SATTVA-STHĀ [BG. 14.18]. SO EVEN IF YOU GO TO BRAHMA-LOKA, INDRA-LOKA—Ā-BRAHMA-BHUVANĀL LOKĀḤ PUNAR ĀVARTINAO ‘RJUNA [BG. 8.16]—YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN. BUT, YAD GATVĀ NA NIVARTANTE, TAD DHĀMA PARAMAṀ MAMA [BG. 15.6]. IF YOU GO TO THAT PLANET, YAD GATVĀ NA NIVARTANTE, ONE DOES NOT REQUIRE TO COME BACK AGAIN. “THAT IS MY REAL ABODE.” TAD DHĀMA PARAMAM. EVERY DHĀMA IS KṚṢṆA’S, BUT THAT IS THE PARAMA DHĀMA, SUPREME DHĀMA. JUST LIKE THE KING. THE KINGDOM BELONGS TO THE KING, BUT STILL HE HAS GOT HIS SPECIAL ROYAL HOUSE, PALACE. SIMILARLY, KṚṢṆA IS THE PROPRIETOR OF ALL PLANETS, SARVA-LOKA-MAHEŚVARAM [BG. 5.29], BUT HE STILL HAS GOT HIS OWN PLANET. THAT IS CALLED GOKULA VṚNDĀVANA.
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TEXT 1
śrī-bhagavān uvāca
imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ
proktavān aham avyayam
vivasvān manave prāha
manur ikṣvākave ‘bravīt
SYNONYMS
śrī bhagavān uvāca—the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; imam—this; vivasvate—unto the sun-god; yogam—the science of one’s relationship to the Supreme; proktavān—instructed; aham—I; avyayam—imperishable; vivasvān—Vivasvān (the sun-god’s name); manave—unto the father of mankind (of the name Vaivasvata); prāha—told; manuḥ—the father of mankind; ikṣvākave—unto King Ikṣvāku; abravīt—said.
TRANSLATION
The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.
PURPORT
Herein we find the history of the Bhagavad-gītā traced from a remote time when it was delivered to the royal order, the kings of all planets. This science is especially meant for the protection of the inhabitants and therefore the royal order should understand it in order to be able to rule the citizens and protect them from the material bondage to lust. Human life is meant for cultivation of spiritual knowledge, in eternal relationship with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and the executive heads of all states and all planets are obliged to impart this lesson to the citizens by education, culture and devotion. In other words, the executive heads of all states are intended to spread the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness so that the people may take advantage of this great science and pursue a successful path, utilizing the opportunity of the human form of life.
In this millennium, the sun-god is known as Vivasvān, the king of the sun, which is the origin of all planets within the solar system. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated:
yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ
rājā samasta-sura-mūrttir aśeṣa-tejāḥ
yasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kālacakro
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
“Let me worship,” Lord Brahmā said, “the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda [Kṛṣṇa], who is the original person and under whose order the sun, which is the king of all planets, is assuming immense power and heat. The sun represents the eye of the Lord and traverses its orbit in obedience to His order.”
The sun is the king of the planets, and the sun-god (at present of the name Vivasvān) rules the sun planet, which is controlling all other planets by supplying heat and light. He is rotating under the order of Kṛṣṇa, and Lord Kṛṣṇa originally made Vivasvān His first disciple to understand the science of Bhagavad-gītā. The Gītā is not, therefore, a speculative treatise for the insignificant mundane scholar but is a standard book of knowledge coming down from time immemorial. In the Mahābhārata (Śānti-parva 348.51-52) we can trace out the history of the Gītā as follows:
tretā-yugādau ca tato vivasvān manave dadau
manuś ca loka-bhṛty-arthaṁ sutāyekṣvākave dadau
ikṣvākuṇā ca kathito vyāpya lokān avasthitāḥ
“In the beginning of the Tretā-yuga [millennium] this science of the relationship with the Supreme was delivered by Vivasvān to Manu. Manu, being the father of mankind, gave it to his son Mahārāja Ikṣvāku, the King of this earth planet and forefather of the Raghu dynasty in which Lord Rāmacandra appeared. Therefore, Bhagavad-gītā existed in the human society from the time of Mahārāja Ikṣvāku.”
At the present moment we have just passed through five thousand years of the Kali-yuga, which lasts 432,000 years. Before this there was Dvāpara-yuga (800,000 years), and before that there was Tretā-yuga (1,200,000 years). THUS, SOME 2,005,000 YEARS AGO, MANU SPOKE THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ TO HIS DISCIPLE AND SON MAHĀRĀJA LKṢVĀKU, THE KING OF THIS PLANET EARTH. The age of the current Manu is calculated to last some 305,300,000 years, of which 120,400,000 have passed. Accepting that before the birth of Manu, the Gītā was spoken by the Lord to His disciple, the sun-god Vivasvān, a rough estimate is that the Gītā was spoken at least 120,400,000 years ago; and in human society it has been extant for two million years. It was respoken by the Lord again to Arjuna about five thousand years ago. That is the rough estimate of the history of the Gīta, according to the Gītā itself and according to the version of the speaker, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. It was spoken to the sun-god Vivasvān because he is also a kṣatriya and is the father of all kṣatriyas who are descendants of the sun-god, or the sūrya-vaṁśa kṣatriyas. Because Bhagavad-gītā is as good as the Vedas, being spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, this knowledge is apauruṣeya, superhuman. Since the Vedic instructions are accepted as they are, without human interpretation, the Gītā must therefore be accepted without mundane interpretation. The mundane wranglers may speculate on the Gītā in their own ways, but that is not Bhagavad-gītā as it is. Therefore, Bhagavad-gītā has to be accepted as it is, from the disciplic succession, and it is described herein that the Lord spoke to the sun-god, the sun-god spoke to his son Manu, and Manu spoke to his son Ikṣvāku.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/4/1
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Dauṣyanti Bharata: There are many Bharatas in history, of which Bharata the brother of Lord Rāma, Bharata the son of King Ṛṣabha, and Bharata the son of Mahārāja Duṣyanta are very famous. And all these Bharatas are historically known to the universe. THIS EARTH PLANET IS KNOWN AS BHĀRATA, OR BHĀRATA-VARṢA, DUE TO KING BHARATA THE SON OF ṚṢABHA, BUT ACCORDING TO SOME THIS LAND IS KNOWN AS BHĀRATA DUE TO THE REIGN OF THE SON OF DUṢYANTA. SO FAR AS WE ARE CONVINCED, THIS LAND’S NAME BHĀRATA-VARṢA WAS ESTABLISHED FROM THE REIGN OF BHARATA THE SON OF KING ṚṢABHA. BEFORE HIM THE LAND WAS KNOWN AS ILĀVATI-VARṢA, BUT JUST AFTER THE CORONATION OF BHARATA, THE SON OF ṚṢABHA, THIS LAND BECAME FAMOUS AS BHĀRATA-VARṢA.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/1/12/20
Gaurasundara Das says:
12. August 2018 at 3:39 pm
Mahesh: this is interesting so this – in simple terms – gives the shape of an egg:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spheroid
Note: Srila Prabhupada says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
Hare Krsna Gaurasundara das prabhu,
Many thanks for the Rig Veda reference. Is it possible that you could post the full translation of XXX.1V.V
The Oblate Spheroid Shape:
Debunking Flat Earth Misconceptions
https://flatearth.ws/oblate-spheroid
The Earth is not perfectly spherical. Its diameter is longer across the equator than between the poles; it is oblate spheroid. This fact is often questioned by flat-Earthers. According to them, every picture of the Earth from space shows the Earth as a perfect sphere, and never as an oblate spheroid. Then they would present it as ‘evidence’ that scientists have been lying to us.
But it is actually possible to determine that the Earth is in fact oblate spheroid from pictures of the Earth taken from space.
The Earth is spherical, but not perfectly a sphere. At a glance it would appear perfectly spherical. But let’s do precise measurements to pictures of the Earth taken from space.
We used satellite images from Himawari-8. The resolution of the pictures is 11000×11000, or 121 megapixel, which should be enough. For this purpose, we have to find images that show visible part of the Earth perfectly illuminated by the Sun. We could find 4 matching images as follows.
hima820150923112000fd.png: 10906×10868
hima820160320112000fd.png: 10905×10870
hima820160923112000fd.png: 10906×10869
hima820170922112000fd.png: 10906×10869
The number after the filenames are the size of the Earth in the corresponding images in pixels. The average size is 10905.75×10869. And the difference is 0.338%.
According to above measurements, we can actually determine that the Earth is in fact oblate spheroid. Its diameter across the equator is longer than between the poles. The number is also very close to the difference of the diameters in the WGS84 standard, which is 0.336%.
So, we can conclude that the pictures show the Earth as expected: it is an oblate spheroid, and the difference between its diameters is also very close to the expected number.
Yfs, Balaram das
As far as I understand, THERE ARE NO PICTURES OF EARTH (AS A WHOLE IMAGE) TAKEN FROM SPACE! Only models, 3D CGI images or “patchwork quilt” composites stitched together by NASA.
Even NASA admits this!
Your claim that NASA admits their pictures are fake is very dubious.
Provide documentation please. Where is the accredited link? I don’t believe you can provide one. What a waste of everyone’s time.
There is no NASA admission. Where are you getting your research from?
I have done extensive research on recognised archived Prabhupada websites, using terms such as New World Order, Illuminati, Green Lizard Men, Alien Abductions, Anal probing, cow toasting, live barbecues, Illuminati, Illuminati, Illuminati. It doesn’t matter how many times you enter search terms, there is no result.
This hogwash is merely a modern internet phenomenon where people mistakenly interpret internet typing as being gospel. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ick bong splat, so there is your proof.
Never, not once, did Śrīla Prabhupāda ever reference any of these spurious modern terms. Given that Vedic knowledge is beyond the bounds of limited time, there is no need for introducing any such “modern speak” in order to “update” the Swami’s teachings. Not once did His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada ever mention conspiracy theories. Nor the Illuminati. Nor green lizard men.
There is one implication, the single word “sinister”, but not only is it unclear what was being implied, (and the website now bars research results unless you pay a subscription!) there is also no direct reference to the Illuminati, New World Order, or such Conspiracy Theories. As for any devotee’s theories, this is pure conjecture, as nothing can be substantiated at this time.
[snipped on author’s request]
Seriously, if you are a genuinely elevated devotee with specialist insight, I bow down to thee.
But I do expect a little proof first. I’m not an idiot.
And I presume you aren’t one either!
Hare Kṛṣṇa, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My apologies for insulting comments Sudarsana Prabhu. As pointed out to me by one of your Godbrothers, I have no place criticising your character as I don’t personally know you and should therefore give you proper credit as an initiated devotee, something which I am not. I know I can’t take back my unsavoury words (I have requested the webmaster to delete them) and I am sorry for any hurt I have caused by them.
The clash of ideologies is a frustrating exercise for all concerned, especially when there is nothing to be gained, as nothing can be proven. I ought respect your right to varying opinions but let me go on records as not much of a follower of conspiracy theories. There is enough trouble to deal with without them and in my opinion they only complicate things further. However, to each his own. Sorry.
Hare Kṛṣṇa,
Ys Sam
Well, no apologies required my friend! But as we are making comments on this site, it is generally understood that the FISKCON GBC have “conspired” (oops! there is that word again!) to usurp Srila Prabhupada’s position by appointing themselves diksha guru! It is also generally accepted that others within FISKCON have ”conspired” (I know this word confuses you!) to make unauthorized changes to Srila Prabhupada’s books and furthermore, prevent or ban the original books from distribution!
The vast amount of forensic evidence pointing to the sustained poisoning of Srila Prabhupada over many months, prior to his departure also (I don’t like to use the ”c” word!) is also very disturbing! So it seems that this whole site, is nothing but a bunch of CONSPIRACY THEORISTS! (oops! I did it again!).
They made a whole movie about the “Moon landing” but Srila Prabhupada said “THEY DIDN’T GO TO THE MOON PLANET!” and also said “THEY ARE SIMPLY BLUFFING!” Wow! now you must be really “confused” (You don’t suppose Srila Prabhupada was a ‘conspiracy theorist’?).
The world is full of demons, but sometimes it’s a ”full time job” just dealing with our own! This is why we need to chant more and read Srila Prabhupada’s books then ALL will be revealed in good time!
Sudarsana Das Vanacari, Bhakta Sam Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Please accept my humble obeisances
Hare Krsna!
I would like to say, It has been nice to observe the Vaisnava etiquette you both have. Let me tell you that I have personal experience with some devotees in our “Ritvik” camps (Prabhupadanugas) is quite the opposite. Some of these folks they can be VERY sarcastic,insulting,condescending,offensive. Cooperation????? Makes you wonder how much they have actually understood the philosophy Srila Prabhupada has imparted in terms of cooperation:
76-01-05. Letter: Satsvarupa
EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE CO-OPERATIVELY. “Our” and “your’s” are material conceptions and have no place in our Krishna Consciousness movement. If the members of our movement are unable to co-operate it will be very difficult to spread the mission of Lord Caitanya.
72-11-18. Letter: Madhumangala
Regarding general state of affairs at Amsterdam temple, I can understand there is some disturbance among you, but that is not to be taken very seriously. Real business is preaching work, and if there is full attention on this matter only, all other businesses will be automatically successful. Fighting amongst ourselves is not at all good, but if our preaching work is neglected, or if we fall down in following the regulative principles such as rising before four, chanting 16 rounds, like that, if these things are not strictly observed then maya will enter and spoil everything. So my best advice to you is to strictly observe these things yourself and be the example so that all others may follow. WE SHOULD NOT CRITICIZE EACH OTHER, AS VAISNAVAS, BECAUSE THERE IS FAULT IN EVERYONE AND WE MAY BE OURSELVES SUBJECT TO CRITICISM. BEST THING IS TO BE ABOVE SUSPICION OURSELVES, THEN IF WE SEE DISCREPANCIES AND MAKE SUGGESTION THE OTHERS WILL AUTOMATICALLY RESPECT AND TAKE ACTION TO RECTIFY THE MATTERS. THAT IS COOPERATION. AND WE MUST EXIST ON SUCH COOPERATION, OTHERWISE THE WHOLE THING IS DOOMED IF WE SIMPLY GO ON FIGHTING OVER SOME SMALL THING. So try to organize things and preach together in this spirit, and that will please me very, very much.
75-01-16. Letter: Krsnavesa
Our movement is based on love and trust, so if we do not CO-OPERATE, then how is that love and trust? Follow all of the rules and regulations very strictly without deviation, chant 16 rounds, attend class and mangala arati and then everything will be alright.
75-09-18. Letter: Sukadeva
You ALL SHOULD CO-OPERATE and then things will go on very nicely. WE SHOULD NOT BRING IN POLITICS. THAT IS A VERY NASTY THING.
70-08-06. Letter: Upendra
Now all my disciples must work combinedly and WITH COOPERATION to spread this Sankirtana Movement. If you cannot work together then my work is stopped up. Our Society is like one big family and our relationships should be based on love and trust. WE MUST GIVE UP THE FIGHTING SPIRIT AND USE OUR INTELLIGENCE TO PUSH AHEAD. You should accept help from your Godbrothers.
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Letter to: Gurudasa, Yamuna
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Los Angeles
21 January, 1969
69-01-21
Do not make any artificial discrepancies amongst yourselves because you are acting on a very responsible business. Perhaps you know that there are many political parties in a country, but when the country’s total responsibility has to be executed, they become combined. To have some little disagreements amongst yourselves is not very unnatural because we are all individual beings. But as we are all working on behalf of Krishna we should always FORGET OUR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND SEE TO THE PRIME CAUSE.
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Letter to: Tamala Krsna
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Tittenhurst
1 October, 1969
69-10-01
Relationship between Godbrothers must be very genuine and pleasing. Otherwise, the future of our institution will not be very hopeful.
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Letter to: Tamala Krsna
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Tittenhurst
18 October, 1969
69-10-18
The difficulty is sometimes things are INTERPRETED in a manner DOVETAILING one’s OWN sense gratification.
I have got this personal experience in my Guru Maharaja’s institution. Different Godbrothers took the words of Guru Maharaja in different interpretations for sense gratification and the whole mission disrupted. This is still going on for the last 40 years without any proper settlement.
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
Dandavats Mahesh Raja Prabhu,
All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
I came across this at https://web.archive.org/web/20190321033245/http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48537#comment-52396 The Wayback Machine is particularly useful for quickly accessing older versions of websites. It doesn’t always bring up a scan of the exact time/webpage you want but it is especially important for getting a look at deleted material for research (not relevant in this case!).
What I like about this website is the facility to question unlike many other Vaishnava sites that brand you as a heretic if you dare to challenge the status quo, or even worse don’t respond to comments or flat out don’t allow them.
Not only should we be allowed to be sceptical, careful scrutiny is a necessary part of the process of spiritual enquiry. Śrīla Prabhupāda always encourages us to use our brains and not blindly accept things. Not so in modern Iskcon where scrutiny is unwelcome.
Yet this “don’t question authority” disease in Iskcon is also rampant elsewhere in the world where debate on “politically incorrect” topics is stifled. Question how much of global warming is man-made and you’re immediately labelled a climate denier and told to shut up. Question the merits of gender fluidity or even the need for it and you’re labelled as discriminatory or homophobic. It goes on.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Webmaster, the various contributors of articles, and all the commentors whose input makes this website what it is – unique. Hare Kṛṣṇa!
_/\ò_
Ys, Sam
हरे कृष्ण
Clarification:
“What I like about this website..”
refers to prabhupadanugas.eu, not the web archive.
My apologies.
Ys Sam
Sudarsana Das Vanacari :They made a whole movie about the “Moon landing” but Srila Prabhupada said “THEY DIDN’T GO TO THE MOON PLANET!” and also said “THEY ARE SIMPLY BLUFFING!” Wow! now you must be really “confused” (You don’t suppose Srila Prabhupada was a ‘conspiracy theorist’?).
Mahesh: Let me correct you – it is NOT talking about the FAKE moon landing, Sudarsana Prabhu. You can NOT equate FAKE moon landing with the EARTH PLANET mentioned as ROTATING and EGG SHAPED as per Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. To equate FAKE moon landing with EGG SHAPED earth is simply DIVERTING the issue into STRAWMAN argument. According to Srila Prabhupada OUR BONA FIDE spiritual master EARTH IS A PLANET ( AND – ALL PLANETS ARE EGG SHAPED):
Moon
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43400#comments
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ALL THE PLANETS AND THE UNIVERSES, THEY ARE EGG SHAPED
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
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JUST LIKE THE EARTH HAS ITS ORBIT—IT IS ROTATING—SIMILARLY, EVERY PLANET IS ROTATING
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48862#comment-52095
Stationary Earth?
The difference between SPIN and ROTATE:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48697#comment-52079
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=49124#comment-52172
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Note: Srila Prabhupada says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
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Note: please do not mistake this concoction from Mayesvara das considering “Srila Prabhupada never had the time to study and present himself”. Srila Prabhupada was NOT ordinary that he needed time to study. This is simply NONSENSE. Srila Prabhupada only gave DEVOTIONAL SERVICE to others so they may get DELIVERED but these folks think Srila Prabhupada is ORDINARY person who needs time to study and hence, he has produced Tamal Krsna (the poison giving THUG) as authority:
Prem Yogi showed Srila Prabhupada some illustrations from the Srimad Bhagavatam, Fifth Canto, and explained them briefly. Prabhupada was impressed with his proper understanding. Prabhupada showed him the Mayapur model and explained what we intended to do there. Srilla Prabhupada then expressed his concern: “We must exactly follow the description of Bhagavatam. As we are going to spend many crores of rupees, and there will be those who will try to find fault in our presentation, ‘Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion.’ I have explained whatever I could already in my books. Now my brain is no longer able to work properly. You young men can tax your brains to understand the Sanskrit and English descriptions and present them.” (TKG’s Diary: Prabhupada’s Final Days, May 30 1977)
Mayesvara das: This study will obviously draw out details that Srila Prabhupada never had the time to study and present himself.
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15675.htm
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His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is ALWAYS consulting Krsna:
Srila Prabhupada Interview, July 14, 1976, New York:
Bali-mardana: “In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge.
Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
Prabhupada: YES, BECAUSE A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND HE GIVES ORDER.
Interviewer: IT’S A MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATION.
Prabhupada: YES. AND HE GIVES ORDER.
Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some…
Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, “DO LIKE THIS.” NOT FIGURATIVELY. Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
Prabhupada: EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT CONSULTING KRSNA.”
Note: His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada speaks as Krsna speaks:
Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 5.71:
“One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PERSON WHO ACTS WITH AUTHORITY, AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, SPEAKS AS THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD DICTATES FROM WITHIN. THUS IT IS NOT HE THAT IS PERSONALLY SPEAKING. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM.”
Note: THE SPIRITUALLY DEVELOPED PERSON IS ABLE TO HAVE THE TELEVISION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALWAYS REFLECTED WITHIN HIS HEART.
SB 2.9.35 P Answers by Citing the Lord’ s Version
The impersonalists can imagine or even perceive that the Supreme Brahman is thus all-pervading, and therefore they conclude that there is no possibility of His personal form. Herein lies the mystery of His transcendental knowledge. This mystery is transcendental love of Godhead, and one who is surcharged with such transcendental love of Godhead can without difficulty see the Personality of Godhead in every atom and every movable or immovable object. And at the same time he can see the Personality of Godhead in His own abode, Goloka, enjoying eternal pastimes with His eternal associates, who are also expansions of His transcendental existence. This vision is the real mystery of spiritual knowledge, as stated by the Lord in the beginning (sarahasyam tad-angam ca). This mystery is the most confidential part of the knowledge of the Supreme, and it is impossible for the mental speculators to discover by dint of intellectual gymnastics. The mystery can be revealed through the process recommended by Brahmaji in his Brahma-samhita (5.38) as follows:
premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti
yam syamasundaram acintya-guna-svarupam
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
“I worship the original Personality of Godhead, Govinda, whom the pure devotees, their eyes smeared with the ointment of love of Godhead, ALWAYS OBSERVE WITHIN THEIR HEARTS. This Govinda, the original Personality of Godhead, is Syamasundara with all transcendental qualities.”
Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. THE VISION OF THE DEVOTEES IS NOT ORDINARY; IT IS PURIFIED BY THE PROCESS OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. IN OTHER WORDS, AS THE UNIVERSAL ELEMENTS ARE BOTH WITHIN AND WITHOUT, SIMILARLY THE LORD’S NAME, FORM, QUALITY, PASTIMES, ENTOURAGE, ETC., AS THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE REVEALED SCRIPTURES OR AS PERFORMED IN THE VAIKUNTHALOKAS, FAR, FAR BEYOND THE MATERIAL COSMIC MANIFESTATION, ARE FACTUALLY BEING TELEVISED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE. THE MAN WITH A POOR FUND OF KNOWLEDGE CANNOT UNDERSTAND, ALTHOUGH BY MATERIAL SCIENCE ONE CAN SEE THINGS FAR AWAY BY MEANS OF TELEVISION. FACTUALLY, THE SPIRITUALLY DEVELOPED PERSON IS ABLE TO HAVE THE TELEVISION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALWAYS REFLECTED WITHIN HIS HEART. THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.
751017BG.JOH Lectures
Prabhupada: I shall speak some verses from Bhagavad-gita, Second Chapter, in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna instructed. The beginning of instruction is the Second Chapter of Bhagavad-gita. So Arjuna, representing ourself, conditioned soul, covered with the material body and thinking in bodily conception of life… He was to fight with his brothers, nephews, grandfather, Bhismadeva, also teacher the military science, Dronacarya. In this way the business was not very palatable. Although he was forced to fight by the opposite party who were very near, thick and thin people, and he had to kill them, so it was not very satisfactory to him. Therefore he flatly denied to fight: “Krsna, I am not going to fight.” He left his weapon, and then Krsna was surprised that “My friend, Arjuna, he is denying to fight in My presence.”
SO SANJAYA, THE PRIVATE SECRETARY OF MAHARAJA DHRTARASTRA, HE WAS RELAYING THE MESSAGE WHICH WAS GOING ON IN THE BATTLE OF KURUKSETRA BY HIGHER PROCESS. NOWADAYS WE HAVE GOT EXPERIENCE OF THE TELEVISION, BUT THE ANOTHER PROCESS, ANTAR-DRSTI, THAT IS ALSO TELEVISION. YOU CAN SEE THE REFLECTION OF EXTERNAL ACTIVITIES WITHIN YOUR HEART, AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN. So Sanjaya, the private secretary of Maharaja Dhrtarastra, he explained that Arjuna was denying to fight.
720414LE.AUC Lectures
Prabhupada: Yuyutsavah, it is called yuyutsavah. So yuyutsavah means when two parties are fighting, they are called yuyutsavah, “Desiring to fight, they prepared.” So actually these two groups of brothers, cousin brothers, they assembled there for fighting to decide their fate. So everything is clear. Dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samaveta, assembled, yuyutsavah, for fighting. And who are they? It is the question of Dhrtarastra, the father of the Duryodhana, and he is asking his private secretary, Sanjaya. SANJAYA WAS RELAYING THE FIGHT IN THE BATTLEFIELD, AND DHRTARASTRA WAS BLIND. JUST LIKE TELEVISION. SO HE WAS SEEING THE FIGHT FROM THE HEART. IT MEANS THERE IS STILL MORE FINER SCIENCE, THAT YOU DON’T REQUIRE MACHINE TO SEE IT BY TELEVISION, WHAT IS GOING OUTSIDE. YOU CAN SEE WITHIN YOUR HEART. SO THIS SANJAYA WAS SEEING THE BATTLE, AND HE WAS RELAYING TO DHRTARASTRA.
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu. I am not “equating” anything . Please don’t misunderstand me. I accept what Srila Prabhupada has stated, but that does not mean that I pretend to understand THE INCONCEIVEABLE! I am just responding to Bhakta Sam Prabhu’s comment regarding NASA.
NASA faked the “moon landing”. So whatever they say or produce as “proof” is highly suspect and warrants further, thorough investigation.
Again, my apologies – I stand corrected. Some of NASA’s images are CGI as spacecraft don’t have selfie sticks. Other photography is real, taken by real cameras, such as of planets as satellites fly-by or in the case of ISS as it orbits. For those interested, an experienced devotee sent me these links… the presenter, Fraser Cain makes some good points explaining a lot of why some imagery has to be computer generated – and not to deceive anyone – but because it is often the only viable means. As always we are free to make up our own minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xapsn6-9sDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q41hLHcKyUM
Your mind (like so many others) have been made up for you! That is not ‘free’, that is ‘brainwashing’ and you are not aware of it. ”Manned Moon mission” is a complete fake, so why is this idiot Cain talking about “not deceiving people”. NASA is the pursuit of Freemasonry that’s all. Smithsonian Institute, Freemasonry. If you do not understand this, that is your own foolishness. Some of the filming maybe genuine. Just above Earths atmosphere…..So what! “Manned Moon Mission” is all fake! “Manned spacecraft” cannot pass through Van Allen Belt (without killing all aboard) so the have to FAKE IT! SIMPLE AS THAT!
NASA logo has RED SNAKE’S FORKED TONGUE. What is the rationale for this? I used to be a graphic designer so why ‘snake’s red forked tongue?’ ”Hidden in plain sight” this is the modus operandi of Illuminati Freemasonry. Every element in logo design has a rationale, every element : color, shape, inference, symbolism, contrast etc. What does ‘snake’s red forked tongue’ have to do with space?
All these NASA stooges are FREEMASON ILLUMINATI, that should explain everything to you! They are liars, murderers (created from Nazi War Criminals after Operation Paper Clip). They are deceivers and demons that’s all.
Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 16 Text 8 The Divine and Demoniac Natures.
“They say that this world is unreal, that there is no foundation and that there is no God in control. It is produced from sex desire, and has no cause other than lust”.
This is the philosophy of Freemasonry. This is why they wear aprons covering their genitals, as they mistakenly believe that it is by the power of their sexual energy that everything is created! They perform some acts of ”charity” but such acts of ”CHARITY AND FALSE RELIGIOSITY” are only a front, a mask to conceal their REAL IDENTITY which is the worship of Satan, Molloch, Baal etc.
Bhagavad Gita: Chapter 16 Text 13 – 15.
The demoniac person thinks: “So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything, I am the enjoyer, I am perfect powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives.
There is non so powerful and happy as I am. * I SHALL PERFORM SOME SACRIFICES, I SHALL GIVE SOME CHARITY, and thus I shall rejoice.” * IN THIS WAY, SUCH PERSONS ARE DELUDED BY IGNORANCE. ( * emphasis mine).
Vimanas (space craft) have been around for thousands of years and could traverse all of the planets in this universe, but these Masonic demons are “simply bluffing” that’s all!.
‘Earth is flattened at the poles’ — (Markandeya Purana 54.12).
“The Sun never sets or rises and it is the Earth, which rotates- (Sama-Ved 121).
“The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.” — (Rig Veda 10.149.1)
“The sun has tied Earth and other planets through attraction and moves them around itself as if a trainer moves newly trained horses around itself holding their reins.” — (Rig Veda 10.149.1)
pamho agtacbsp
they are thinking they are connected but they aren’t only the pukka prabhupadanugas are connected with srila prabhupada without usurping any positions
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