https://www.change.org/p/bbti-oust-the-book-changers
Srila Prabhupada told us that his books are the law books for the next 10,000 years. As beneficiaries* of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, let’s send a message to the holders of Srila Prabhupada’s priceless copyrights that we will not tolerate this posthumous editing that goes against Vaisnava etiquette, publishing standards and common sense. Let’s insist that the Trustees of the BBT follow the directions of Srila Prabhupada!
*In the BBT document, the Grantor, Srila Prabhupada, names the beneficiary of the Trust to be the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. ISKCON is actually a common law trust (something like a common law marriage), so anyone who considers him/herself to be a member of ISKCON is a beneficiary of the BBT.
(by Anuttama devi dasi)
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Please sign this petition: https://www.change.org/p/bbti-oust-the-book-changers
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[Note by webmaster: some of the following comments of April 7th, 2019 have been reproduced from contributions to a recent e-mail thread on the subject]
they won’t listen to 20,000 Srila Prabhupada followers. Perhaps a gun is all that will resound in their ears……
First give those interested a complete layout of how the BBT will function once those responsible for those misdeeds are gone. Show a complete plan with those who would be in control.
For example, set up a Governing Body Commission and BBT in exile as was done with governments of countries that had been overrun by the Nazi’s and the Communists during WW2. Show how it would be funded and all aspects of it’s departments and security then call me to review it. Otherwise this is simply data mining so for now my signature stays here.
Good luck
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
PS Always ironic how the victim petitions the thief to stop his lively hood.
Actually we do not need ISKCON, the BBT, the GBC, Vrndavna or even Mayapur to feel strong and to do right for Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada himself being non different from his original pre 1978 books is the representative of all of the above. So as long and as much as we are sincerely serving via Srila Prabhupada’s original teachings and books we are directly connected to him and are satisfied, fully satisfied
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada on “Organized Religion”…
“…. The idea of an organized church in an intelligible form, indeed, marks the close of the living spiritual movement. The great ecclesiastical establishments are the dikes and dams to retain the current that cannot be held by any such contrivances. They, indeed, indicate a desire on the part of the masses to exploit a spiritual movement for their own purpose. They also unmistakably indicate the end of the absolute and unconventional guidance of the bona-fide spiritual teacher. The people of this world understand preventive systems, they have no idea at all of the unprevented positive eternal life. Neither can there be any earthy contrivance for the permanent preservation of the life eternal on this mundane plane on the popular scale.
Those are, therefore, greatly mistaken who are disposed to look forward to the amelioration of the worldly state in any worldly sense from the worldly success of any really spiritual movement. It is these worldly expectants who become the patrons of the mischievous race of the pseudo-teachers of religion, the Putanas, whose congenial function is to stifle the theistic disposition at the very moment of its suspected appearance. But the theistic disposition can never be stifled by the efforts of those Putanas. The Putanas have power only over the atheist. It is a thankless but salutary task which they perform for the benefit of their unwilling victims…..”
yare dekha, tare kaha ‘krsna’-upadesa
amara ajnaya guru hana tara’ ei desa
TRANSLATION
“Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Sri Krishna as they are given in the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.” (C:C, Madhya, 7:128)
Let us look directly before and after this verse; and also at the surrounding purports generally. Just before this verse in the purport to the last verse – 7:127, Srila Prabhupada states:
“In the next verse Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu advises everyone to become an ideal householder by offenselessly chanting the Hare Krishna mantra and teaching the same principle to everyone he meets.” (Purport, 7:127)
And then immediately Srila Prabhupada states:
“This is the sublime mission of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Many people come and inquire whether they have to give up family life to join the Society, but that is not our mission. One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. If one is a little literate and can read the Bhagavad-gita As It Is and Srimad-Bhagavatam, that is so much the better.”
(Purport, 7:128)
Yfs, Balaram das
The book changers will never admit that they are wrong, we could submit 1 million signatures and they would tell us to bad so sad. Take a hike. Their egos are to big to admit that they are wrong, even if some from the bogus iskcon tell them they don’t like the book changes they still just keep on with their offensive mentality. This mentality is why iskcon has deviated so much and evolved into a bhogi yogi, new age, vegan, self love, embrace who you are(in this body) hodge podge insitution. They have lost the ability to preach. They might have the temples but they have lost Prabhupadas mercy and the “power to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu all over the world.” The praja of the world are suffering for that.
Yhs,Varaha d.
5-18-22)…We have actually seen that one of the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura wanted to enjoy the property of his spiritual master, and the spiritual master, being merciful toward him, gave him the temporary property, but not the power to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu all over the world. That special mercy of the power to preach is given to a devotee who does not want anything material from his spiritual master but wants only to serve him.
The power to preach was given to Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada’s Books Incomplete?
Pranams
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
It is understood and more than obvious that all of the original first printed books of Srila Prabhupada presented on line are INCOMPLETE. Incomplete means, lacking a usually necessary part, element, or step. So the book changers are certainly guilty of changing Srila Prabhupada’s books. However those who are putting his first printing books on line are in the case of the Srimad Bhagavatams for example eliminating the paintings, The Author description, References, The Glossary, Sanskrit Pronunciation Guide, Index of Sanskrit Verses, and General Index.
So understanding that the Internet is the most widely used method for communication and research around the world why do you think that these sections of the Bhagavatam, Caitanya Caritamrta and Bhagavad Gita As It Is are missing? That they are not included for those Srila Prabhupada is trying to reach suggests that these on line presentations are actually not for the general public. When you sell anything on line these days, anything, that item comes with a detailed manual so that the buyer may not only appreciate what they are getting but further understand the items intricacies.
So let us first present in full as described above, what Srila Prabhupada wants with the first printing of his books before we go forward in our efforts to waste vast amounts of money and time to take the BBT to court for changing the books. Our house is not in order. Please find below A Formal Request For The Complete Glossary Of The 1972 Gita that was offered to Srila Prabhupada then sent out about 6 weeks ago that of course has not been responded to in anyway shape or form. So we the Prabhupadanugas are guilty of as many of the conditioned faults that we point to with ISKCON, the GBC and the BBT or BBTI Prove me wrong, get this offense to Srila Prabhupada and his first printed books corrected or contact me and tell me why it has not been done or why it is not necessary. As we know, no answer means acquiescence to the status quo just like many of the “others” that we know.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
Formal Request For The Complete Glossary Of The 1972 Gita
Dear Srila Prabhupada please accept my humble obeisance’s all glories to your lotus feet.
I have directly and indirectly requested to some of your senior disciples that the Glossary in your original first printing Gita be made available on all web sites that carry your original first printing Gita. At present they do not include the Glossary. Below is the first statement and request that this be done.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
Formal Request For The Complete Glossary Of The 1972 Gita To Be Placed In All On Line Gita’s As In The Original 1972 Edition.
The original 1972 Gita on line is incomplete and therefore technically an abridged edition. Why is the original on line 1972 edition of the Gita missing the Paintings, Appendixes, The Picture Index, References with all page numbers, The Glossary A through to Y, Sanskrit Pronunciation Guide, Index of Sanskrit Verses and General Index which is a total of 144 pages. You will not find these pages at https://www.asitis.com/ or at http://causelessmercy.com/ and http://www.krishnapath.org/free-ebooks-audiobooks-of-srila-prabhupada/bhagavad-gita-as-it-is-original-1972-macmillan-edition/. How can a serious student study this great book on line without these 144 pages.? When will this very serious discretion be addressed? Until that time these three sites at least are not providing the full original 1972 edition of the Gita but an abridged edition. This obvious abridging is depriving humanity of possessing, enjoying, or using this gift from Srila Prabhupada and Krsna in it’s original complete form. Cross referencing is a most important tool in studying any ancient or modern text, this cross referencing is not possible as a full excersize with the on line Gita at these three sites.
My formal request to all on line sites that make your original first printing Bhagavad Gita As It Is available now include the complete and original Glossary.
Your humble servant.
Hasti Gopala dasa
March 1 2019
The whole BG As It Is can be found here:
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-english/Bg1.html (also in other languages)
https://sacredsubject.wordpress.com/original-books-of-srila-prabhupada-free-download/ (Original Scan)
I have the original German Macmillan Gita but it doesn’t have the pictures. It seemed that they have printed it in the 70s to save money.
Your humble servant,
Bhakta David
Dear David
Pranams!
I am impressed and delighted! Thank you.
Now this year I can incorporate this Gita site with Srila Prabhupada’s bona fide Gita Guide and share his Gita classic with the world via several internet avenues that are already open. For fun I have renamed FaceBook as KrsnaBook. As we use it to disseminate this Krsna consciousness movement via Srila Prabhupada’s original first printing books and teachings then it has heretofore been renamed KRSNABOOK!
Obeisances
Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Yes very good work with just a few things still missing to qualify as ‘complete’ 1972 Edition. For devotees, I find https://prabhupadabooks.com/ the easiest & quickest to navigate, however this work does not contain the “Appendixes” or Color Plates of the Original ’72 printing..
To be added in time to http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-english/Bg1.html ?
‘Pronunciation’ tab doesn’t open.
‘Picture Index’ with descriptions omitted
‘References’ (Vedic authorities) omitted
‘Index of Sanskrit verses’ omitted
‘General Index’ omitted.
Yfs, Balaram das.
Dear friends,
Hare Krishna. I am privileged to be part of the “As It Was” team that is promoting the scholars conference at the Graduate Theological Union next Spring. Garuda pr is the organizer. He is arranging for both Vaisnava and non-Vaisnava scholars to discuss: “Post-humous Editing: The Case of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami’s Books.” Professors from Harvard, Yale, etc. along with lettered Vaisnava scholars will be submitting their papers and coming to the conference. Our intent is to shine a big spotlight from the professional academic community on what has transpired in the past forty years since Srila Prabhupada physically departed. Our concern is also the fact that the BBTI has sponsored Dravida pr to continue to edit the Bhagavatam. The original SB will be replaced by an “improved” version. Then it will get translated into every language. Like the vines and creepers that gradually enveloped Vrndaban after the departure of the Gowami’s, the beauty of the original books of our beloved spiritual master are being covered by unilateral content editing by ambitious editors eager to leave their mark on the world’s greatest treasures.
Editors who edit books whose authors have died always are credited; the books are never left solely in the name of the original author. Not so with Srila Prabhupada’s books. Words that he never wrote appear under the illusion that he penned them himself. Garuda pr has forty plus years of preaching experience amongst the scholarly community. His reversal on his previous opinions on this subject a few years ago took many of his acquaintances by surprise. Yet, he became completely convinced of the injustice to Srila Prabhupada’s legacy when he put his head into the subject. Now he is a warrior to protect the reputation of Srila Prabhupada among both the scholars and the general body of devotees. So this conference has the potential to cast a long shadow on the policies of the BBTI for the entire professional community to see. I could write much more, but I think you are all sympathetic to the cause. Please go to our gofundme page and donate toward this noble cause. We have raised about $7800 of the $25,000 it will cost to host the conference which the GTU enthusiastically supports.
https://www.gofundme.com/academic-symposium-on-bbt-editing
Also visit our FB page: https://www.facebook.com/As-It-Was-250137788854721/
and our webpage: https://bhagavad-gita.wixsite.com/asitwas?fbclid=IwAR2CY-euHVIfluwM9JQyQCQNCI-fkziE11KyUWHg8pyIxrYKkFy1v5ly-yo
Thank you for caring about the most important subject of all – the sanctity of Srila Prabhupada’s books.
YS, Nrsimhananda das
Director, Iskcon Television, Inc.(Los Angeles)
Director, Uplifting Cinema Pvt. Ltd. (Mumbai)
As It Was Committee Member
I have already said that I have a really hard time trusting Garuda prabhu to head up this whole program to return Prabhupadas books to their previous state. After all he did support the changes once upon a time, on top of that he supports the bogus guru system! Two big strikes already. Now we read that in this conference the organizers are going to have some big liberal professors, vaishnavs ( from which camp or sampradaya?), etc give their conditioned opinion on what should or shouldn’t be edited in Prabhupadas already spiritually perfect books. On top of that now we are being asked to donate money to a event that I’m sure none of the ritviks have been invited to attend so we can give our opinion on the matter. Personally I’m having some trouble grasping the whole thing.
Yhs, Varaha d.
TRANSLATION: Any literature or narration in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Uttamaśloka, is described and glorified is certainly great, pure, glorious, auspicious and all good.
PURPORT: The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is spreading all over the world simply by describing Kṛṣṇa. We have published many books, including Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta in seventeen volumes, four hundred pages each, as well as Bhagavad-gītā and The Nectar of Devotion. We are also publishing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in sixty volumes. Wherever a speaker holds discourses from these books and an audience hears him, this will create a good and auspicious situation. Therefore the preaching of Kṛṣṇa consciousness must be done very carefully by the members of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, especially the sannyāsīs. This will create an auspicious atmosphere.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/8/1/32
The saṅkīrtana movement that was started in this world five hundred years ago by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is therefore not a new movement. Sometimes, because of our bad luck, this movement is stopped, but Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and His servants again start the movement for the benefit of the entire word or, indeed, the entire universe.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/7/15/71
Dear Varaha pr.
I don’t blame you. However, maybe if you asked questions about the conference before coming to any conclusions, you might be persuaded that it is a very good thing. At least, be open to that possibility. For example, have you listened to any of our podcasts? If not, I humbly suggest that you do. I agree with you that rarely do people change, but I think you might find exception to the rule. We all have had “ah-ha” moments; otherwise, how we came to understand that Srila Prabhupada was the greatest acharya to ever grace our planet? I request that you do some research, ask some questions if not convinced, and let’s go from there. What do you say? Are you open-minded enough to do the footwork before jumping to conclusions?
PAMHO AGTSP
Ye of little faith!
YS, Nrsimhananda das
Hari bol Nrismhananda prabhu, pamho, agt Srila Prabhupada.
You are right, I don’t have much faith, at least when it comes to getting Prabhupadas original books back and also putting him back in his rightful position of Iskcons only acharya/ diksa guru. Iskcons leadership has made sure of that, BUT I do have faith in Srila Prabhupada. I have not listened to any of your podcasts, out here on the farm, we just have dailup for our ISP, so I don’t think that I will able to do much reasearch. So maybe you can answer this question, how many of the devotees that Iskcon has labeled as ‘deviant ritviks’ (even though they are still in good standing with Prabhupada and therefore have every right to attend), are in on this conference? You know as well as I do that we ( the ritviks) have been ousted by very large numbers from Prabhupadas temples simply because of the fact that we don’t agree on the book changes and the guru issue. That was a big offense on their part and silence was acceptance from many of the Prabhupada disciples that were still remaining in those temples, they didn’t do much turn turn things around, now most temples are empty or at best have yes men disciples of whomever das swami. So now some of these same ‘silence is acceptance’ prabhus are starting a conference to try and fix decades of aparadhas to Srila Prabhupada and his spiritual children?? AND we are not even invited?? We, the ones that have fought for years to straighten out the mess the GBC created? But we are suppose to trust, support, give money and just accept the outcome with no imput from us?
Now on top of that we have just found out that the leader of this conference, Garuda das, has given a scholarly presentation on the rasa dance. You know that Prabhupada has said that even Lord Chaitanya only talked about that with His most confidental disciples so why is he writing a paper on it for public comsumption?
I don’t know about anyone else on this list but there are just a lot of red flags for me.
Yhs.Varaha das
Silent about acceptance of ritviks. Me? Hardly. I’ve been championing the cause of inclusiveness for many years. Ask Madhu Pandit Pr or Jitarati pr or Madhua or Madhudvisa Pr, etc. I just do things from behind the camera. You don’t see me in the picture. Like I said, keep your attention on the eye of the bird – the adulteration of SP’s books. You can find faults everywhere you look and excuses for inaction. The conference is a chance to make a big dent in the armour if the reputation of the BBTI. The audience is listening.
Pranams
I am not up on the varieties of personalities active within the impromptu social convention in our ranks. I do understand the direct orders received and ongoing from Srila Prabhupada regarding the referencing and repeating of his first printed books so that the whole world may benefit. Those orders still stand in Srila Prabhupada’s ongoing non different presence. Reorganizing is already naturally going on and all positions are being filled and necessary information disseminated. Of that there is no doubt.
Let those who wish to convene get on with their activities in their own free manner with free speech. In the meantime all of the original books are there now and in many cases they are being reprinted. Get them out. Let us not concern ourselves with the fear of ill conceived risks to the future by possible negative influences. We are organizing naturally by our service to Srila Prabhupada and Krsna within our hearts. Organizations like that are never defeated. There is prasadam to get out, the holy names to get out and books to get out. Engage in those services as sincerely as possible in a manner relative to your creative possibilities. The internet in all it’s faults and weaknesses is our world wide temple. Just within this one email message there are 72 devotees within that temple.
So as many people as there are who are reading the 1972 Gita whether they know each other or not, they are communicating within a working spiritual intelligence network. That network of readers to what ever extent they are appreciating or practicing the teachings in that great epic are having a constant purifying affect on the planet as a whole. A spiritual Hundredth Monkey effect if you like.
The original past belonged to Srila Prabhupada, the original present belongs to Srila Prabhupada and the original future belongs to Srila Prabhupada. Remember he is our spiritual master he is not the spiritual master of those following and initiated by the so called ISKCON gurus. That is a fact. I do not waste time concerning myself with their views (unless blasphemous ) regarding Srila Prabhupada and his legacy in any way. I do not think any of us should.
“Srila prabhupada is our leader, the holy names are our main weapon and the original 1972 Bhagavad Gita As It Is is our war plan”
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
I can understand that good I don’t trust people who r associated with ISKCON and Gaudiya Math folks, made my own experiences with that …
This Swami Nrsingha (former Prabhupāda disciple, now Gaudiya Math …) is Interviewing him Garuda Dāsa and is also making propaganda in his utube video “Rtvik – The death of the sampradaya”, which is offending Prabhupada greatly.
Yep, self claimed swamis who liked to wear beards in big style and talk nonsense.
“ […] Recently, Princeton University Press published his thesis under the title �Dance of Divine Love- India�s Classic Sacred Love Story: The Rasa Lila of Krishna.”
http://audio.iskcondesiretree.com/index.php?q=f&f=%2F03_-_ISKCON_Prabhujis%2FISKCON_Prabhujis_-_A_to_J%2FHis_Grace_Garuda_Prabhu
Seems he is writing and talking his Sahajiyā material as “BHakti-Yoga teacher”
That’s the reason why I’m not supporting such pretenders.
Prabhupada warned not to associate with these apasampradaya communities, like this Sahajiyās and Gaudiya Math people.
Your humble servant,
Bhakta David
Hare Krsna!
Good points from Varah Prabhu and David Prabhu.
These SHAHJIYAS mantra is—–MONEY SCREWING MONEY SCREWING MONEY SCREWING – GET IT?
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2723.htm
CONDITIONED soul Garuda das wrote Bhagavad Gita when the BONAFIDE SELF REALIZED Guru Paramapara Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL version is ALREADY there. The OFFENSIVE act is called Maryada Vyatikrama.
TEXT 26
uddhava uvāca
nanu te tattva-saṁrādhya
ṛṣiḥ kauṣāravo ’ntike
sākṣād bhagavatādiṣṭo
martya-lokaṁ jihāsatā
SYNONYMS
uddhavaḥ uvāca—Uddhava said; nanu—however; te—of yourself; tattva-saṁrādhyaḥ—one who is worshipable for reception of transcendental knowledge; ṛṣiḥ—learned scholar; kauṣāravaḥ—unto the son of Kuṣāru (Maitreya); antike—staying nearby; sākṣāt—directly; bhagavatā—by the Personality of Godhead; ādiṣṭaḥ—instructed; martya-lokam—mortal world; jihāsatā—while quitting.
TRANSLATION
Śrī Uddhava said: You may take lessons from the great learned sage Maitreya, who is nearby and who is worshipable for reception of transcendental knowledge. He was directly instructed by the Personality of Godhead while He was about to quit this mortal world.
PURPORT
Although one may be well versed in the transcendental science, one should be careful about the offense of maryādā-vyatikrama, or impertinently surpassing a greater personality. According to scriptural injunction one should be very careful of transgressing the law of maryādā-vyatikrama because by so doing one loses his duration of life, his opulence, fame and piety and the blessings of all the world. To be well versed in the transcendental science necessitates awareness of the techniques of spiritual science. Uddhava, being well aware of all these technicalities of transcendental science, advised Vidura to approach Maitreya Ṛṣi to receive transcendental knowledge. Vidura wanted to accept Uddhava as his spiritual master, but Uddhava did not accept the post because Vidura was as old as Uddhava’s father and therefore Uddhava could not accept him as his disciple, especially when Maitreya was present nearby. The rule is that in the presence of a higher personality one should not be very eager to impart instructions, even if one is competent and well versed. So Uddhava decided to send an elderly person like Vidura to Maitreya, another elderly person, but he was well versed also because he was directly instructed by the Lord while He was about to quit this mortal world. Since both Uddhava and Maitreya were directly instructed by the Lord, both had the authority to become the spiritual master of Vidura or anyone else, but Maitreya, being elderly, had the first claim to becoming the spiritual master, especially for Vidura, who was much older than Uddhava. One should not be eager to become a spiritual master cheaply for the sake of profit and fame, but should become a spiritual master only for the service of the Lord. The Lord never tolerates the impertinence of maryādā-vyatikrama. One should never pass over the honor due to an elderly spiritual master in the interests of one’s own personal gain and fame. Impertinence on the part of the pseudo spiritual master is very risky to progressive spiritual realization.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/3/4/26
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Note: to reject the Ritvik System as Per July 9th 1977 Order of Srila Prabhpada means they have REJECTED Srila Prabhupada THE GURU because THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF:
Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters
The SERVICE of the spiritual master IS ESSENTIAL. IF THERE IS NO CHANCE TO SERVE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER DIRECTLY, A DEVOTEE SHOULD SERVE HIM BY REMEMBERING HIS INSTRUCTIONS. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. IN HIS ABSENCE, THEREFORE, HIS WORDS OF DIRECTION SHOULD BE THE PRIDE OF THE DISCIPLE.
These folks are SAHAJIYAS.
Hare Krsna!
mahesh
Bhakta David:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. – paraphrased from Kautilya, Arthasastra. The cardinal sin is changing the books. Anyone who opposes such nonsense is an allay. Stay with the big picture. Our material reputations are all going into the dustbin of history, but Prabhupada’s books are meant to be around for 10,000 years. The way it’s going, they won’t make it to 100. Support this effort to illuminate and broadcast the travesty that has been wrought on Srila Prabhupada’s legacy. It overshadows all other concerns.
YS, Nrsimhananda das
What is the criteria for success, what is the goal of this “As It Was” team that is promoting the scholars conference at the Graduate Theological Union next spring?
Your criteria for success from your web site is presented here:
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Once the analysis is completed, the findings will be submitted to our academic panel for review. The results will then be made public and presented to the BBT trustees/executives. Should they find our results compelling, we anticipate the BBT would appropriately present the revised edition and reinstate Śrīla Prabhupāda’s 1972 Macmillan Bhagavad-gītā As It Is as the preeminent edition.
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The reason for this As It Was conference is quite clear. To again recognize the authority of the very organization and individuals that tried to destroy Srila Prabhupada’s Gita in the first place, as well as all his other books. That is evident right here from the “Our Approach” piece from the web site:
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“Once the analysis is completed, the findings will be submitted to our academic panel for review. The results will then be made public and presented to the BBT trustees/executives. Should they find our results compelling, we anticipate the BBT would appropriately present the revised edition and reinstate Śrīla Prabhupāda’s 1972 Macmillan Bhagavad-gītā As It Is as the preeminent edition.”
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Your anticipation is laudable. The full names and qualifications of everyone on the “team” must be made available before hand. Any changes to those names must be updated in proper time. A detailed synopsis by these individuals must be made available on the first day. Any changes must include the original text as all these papers are to be made available to anyone in the public domain. Srila Prabhupada’s original Gita and other books were made available to anyone in the public domain.
It would be more gratifying for everyone here I think if this As It Was team had a conference independent of the BBT at a Prabhupadanugas Conference to represent Srila Prabhupada’s life and books with reasons why they continue to support all the original first printing books. Let those at the BBT be invited to present themselves at our conference to Srila Prabhupada via his bona fide representatives, us. Having a PhD does not enhance one’s qualification to understand Srila Prabhupada’s books or his original instructions better than anyone else. The time for approaching the BBT for anything has long since past. They are not our teachers, Srila Prabhupada is. The vast majority within the BBT are not disciples of Srila Prabhupada and with ISKCON getting younger by the year are we to be continually answering to an organization that no longer accepts Srila Prabhupada as their diksa spiritual master or his first printing books as we do?
OUR APPROACH below states:
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“To call for reconsideration of the presumption that Srīla Prabhupāda’s 1972 Macmillan Bhagavad-gītā As It Is required extensive editing and revision to comply with academic and publishing standards.”
Again this presumption or an attitude or belief by probability our approach is not the method suggested by Srila Prabhupada to find the truth. Probability is mental speculation which is not recommended in the Vedas or by Srila Prabhupada our spiritual master. Srila Prabhupada is his own authority and he directly represents the Vedas as they are in their original form. By serving Srila Prabhupada as he has directed that is the key to success and not otherwise.
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It is at this time difficult I am sure for most of us to accept that this As It Was team is an unaffiliated entity.
If it were then after so many years of discussion on the matter of original first printing books there would be no need to spend more time and money trying to convince the original BBT thieves that Srila Prabhupada’s teachings did not need reconsideration.
We however wish them well and look forward eagerly to their in depth report from the conference.
Web site referenced is below.
By the way facebook use is not a given by everyone. I am not on it any longer.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
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OUR GROUP
Our core group is comprised of four disciples of Śrīla Prabhupāda headed by Garuda Das, PhD (Harvard University) and Bhutatma Das, PhD (University of California, Irvine). We are working in conjunction with a panel of six academic consultants—three scholars who are practicing Vaishnavas and three scholars of Vaishnavism. In addition, the project is assisted by persons in the fields of publishing, law, research, IT, social media and other professional services.
We operate as an unaffiliated entity and present our work in that context.
OUR APPROACH
Committed to the principle that posthumously revising an author’s work mandates a minimalist editorial approach, Garuda Das and Bhutatma Das are conducting an analysis of the English translations of the verses from the 1972 Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. This academic exercise will demonstrate the nominal degree of editing that would have been necessary and proper to bring the 1972 Bhagavad-gītā to unimpeachable academic and publishing standards. Such minimal editing stands in contrast to the current edition, which turns to earlier drafts and transcriptions to impose major textual restructuring upon the 1972 edition. We hold that this re-envisioning, however well-intentioned, reflects editorial judgments that challenge ethical publishing standards, as well as explicit instructions from Śrīla Prabhupāda. Once the analysis is completed, the findings will be submitted to our academic panel for review. The results will then be made public and presented to the BBT trustees/executives. Should they find our results compelling, we anticipate the BBT would appropriately present the revised edition and reinstate Śrīla Prabhupāda’s 1972 Macmillan Bhagavad-gītā As It Is as the preeminent edition.
https://bhagavad-gita.wixsite.com/asitwas?fbclid=IwAR2CY-euHVIfluwM9JQyQCQNCI-fkziE11KyUWHg8pyIxrYKkFy1v5ly-yo
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Hare Krishna Prabhus, Pranams, Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
Have now received this photo, is something to contemplate on.
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Garuda, Radhanath, Guru Das, Ramesvara and others
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Radhanath Swami is considered the new leader of ISKCON (last photo without sikha)
Seems we have here in the picture the biggest supporters and guru hoaxer from the “sinister movement” as Prabhupada said so pointedly.
I don’t even know why Guru Dāsa has sent me now a friend request, didn’t he read what I’m writing about Tulsi Gabbard (saw him with her in one photo) and other supporters!?
Hypocrisy I can only say to that.
Your humble servant,
Bhakta David
Ramesvara opposes the changes in SP’s books now.
Gurudas opposes the changes in SP’s books now.
Nrsimhananda opposes the changes in SP’s books now.
Garuda opposes the changes in SP’s books now.
Vaiyasaki opposes the changes in SP’s books.
Baradraj opposes the changes in SP’s books.
Wherever I say “now” above means that the person was either oblivious or complicit in accepting the revised editions. “Now” means that they have changed their minds. The process of devotees adjusting their thinking continues to expand. Some of us might have drunk the koolaid, but, by the patience and compassionate concern of other devotees, we have seen the light. We need to continue to distribute that consciousness without resentment for past sins.
The focus is on giving credit where credit is due. Srila Prabhupada is the author of his books. JDS and others are the authors of whatever they interpreted the books should be. The As It Is group is dedicated to making sure that the books are credited properly and words are not assigned to Srila Prabhupada that he never wrote.Please support the Graduate Theological Union conference, “Posthumous Editing – The Case of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami’s Books” here: https://www.asitwas.yoga/copy-of-intro-to-editing-demonstrat Thank you.
YS, Nrsimhananda das
As I said, Ramesvara has changed from condoning the changes to opposing them. All the statements below are true today. We can’t prohibit what BBTI puts out as fake news. We need to promote our own narrative. That’s why I am requesting that you support the GTU conference with your words and whatever donation you can afford: https://www.asitwas.yoga/copy-of-intro-to-editing-demonstrat
What is missing are those to whom we are supposed to be bringing to Srila Prabhupada, those to whom we are supposed to be teaching and to those to whom we are supposed to be distributing the first printing books to.
We have all facilities to present the Gita on line and teach it from front to back what to speak of all the other books. Why waste time with anything other activity? I certainly won’t. With all due respect symposium after symposium will never change the hearts of the criminal element in mayas isKcon.
Set up a Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaching class with teachers to monitor Prabhupada’s new students and correct the exam and test papers. I have everything you need right here right now. And it won’t cost a dime. Any takers, any teachers ? Srila Prabhupada is waiting.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
Ps Imagine how enthusiastic we would have been back in the early 70’s to give class to 1,000 people at a time. We have 70 devotees right here to get the job started and have a great time doing it. My prediction for the future? No one will respond in any way shape or form. At least I did.
Let those speaking at this Symposium, you know those with the PhD’s purchase minimum three cases of original first printing Gitas and show the rest of us outside of the facility or at the main entrance that they really mean to assist Srila Prabhupada with his first printing books by selling all of them. If no photos or videos are forthcoming of that service challenge after the “symposium” then again it will be understood to have been a meeting of the hinds.
so, r all the ISKCON gurus going to step ‘down’?
and become ‘ritviks’?
r all the books: BHAGAVATAM, etc. original editions, going to become distributed?
who will distribute the Bhagavad Gita as Jay would like it to BE?
1/2 billion!, AND COUNTING……………………….
They will all stay in India and other near by regions, they have no courage. We don’t want them here. One thing that they are expert at is keeping quiet. So we will continue to sound out repeating Srila Prabhupada’s mission without any competition or interference. The Gaudia Math did the same thing when Prabhupada came to the west. They kept quiet giving Srila Prabhupada free reign to preach the cult of Lord Caitanya. It is so nice when they button up, isn’t it?
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzpH9Slz5JQ
Testimony about Garuda
[Mahatma dasa] „Birds of a feather. Garuda dasa has accepted one disicple. He asked me if I was interested to read his requirements from prospective disciples. He told me he is giving diksa, but he does not accept worship. I told him, that the true diksa guru must be worshiped. I gave him a lot of the evidence about how Srila Prabhupada only is qualified and authorized to give diksa. He said that it’s a vast subject and that later he will get back to me. Of course I have not heard about him since. :)“
Another one sent to me:
„I wish to add to this that in the late 90’s, when I had just moved to Prabhupada Village [in North Carolina], around half the devotees there were ritviks, and the rest were pro GBC Prabhupada disciples, and disciples of active and blooped ISKCON gurus.
And there was some tension between the ritviks and the rest [mostly coming from “the rest”].
It was decided to have an isthagosti/debate to help resolve the tensions, and Mr Schweig was approached and agreed to act as an “impartial” moderator.
Unfortunately Mr. Schweig was NOT impartial, as he had proclaimed to be, and he ended up lecturing the ‘ritviks’ on how the eleven gurus are ALL pure devotees, and that they had been appointed by Srila Prabhupada to act as diksha gurus.”
Hari bol. Pamho, agt Srila Prabhupada.
This whole conference thing weights very heavy on my heart. I certainly want Prabhupadas books restored to their original form and to STOP any further unauthorized editing. The part that bothers me is that the leaders of this conference, except maybe for you, have taken a very negative, even hostile, stance against us their devotee godbrothers/sisters who are refered to in iskcon terms as ‘ritviks’, we actually prefer the name Prabhupadanugas. At the same time we are now being asked for financial and verbal support. It reminds me of the pastime in the Mahabharata when the Kurus had their asses kicked by the ghandarvas so badly in fact that the Kurus had to ask for the help of the exiled Pandavas. Which they, the Pandavas, did of course in order to save the good family name, but afterwards instead of being accepted back into the family/kingdom they were told to go back to the woods. In the same line we are exiled from Prabhupadas house by members of our own family and now some of those members are asking for help to save the Bhaktivedanta family name. Kind of ironic don’t you think?
So i’ll’ make a prediction here, we can help with money and our words of persuasion but after the battle is over us Prabhupadanugas (or ritviks in iskcon terms) will still be banished from Praqbhupadas house. I guarantee it.
I’m not trying to convice anybody not to give money or verbal support, do what your heart tells you.
Yhs,Varaha d.
5-12-14) purport excerpt…one cannot attain perfection without smearing the dust from the lotus feet of an exalted devotee on his head. If one always follows the orders of the spiritual master, there is no question of falling down. As soon as a foolish disciple tries to overtake his spiritual master and becomes ambitious to occupy his post, he immediately falls down.
5-14-41) purport excerpt…Even if one wanders for many millions of years, from the time of creation until the time of annihilation, one cannot get free from the path of material existence unless one receives shelter at the lotus feet of a pure devotee. …However, if by Krsna’s grace one is fortunate enough to come under the shelter of the guru, by the mercy of Krsna he receives lessons on how to execute devotional service to the Supreme Lord. …Therefore the Vedic injunction is that one should approach a spiritual master. …“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.” …“Any person who seriously desires to achieve real happiness must seek out a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of his spiritual master is that he must have realized the conclusion of the scriptures by deliberation and be able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, are to be understood as bona fide spiritual masters.”…Similarly, Visvanatha Cakravarti, a great Vaisnava, also advises, yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah: ”By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the mercy of Krsna.” This is the same advice given by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu (guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija). This is essential. One must come to Krsna consciousness, and therefore one must take shelter of a pure devotee. Thus one can become free from the clutches of matter.
Any chaste disciple of Srila Prabhupada would say that HDG is the person “pure devotee” mentioned above.
V.
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The organizers of the “As It Was” committee are myself, Partrikananda, Bhutatma, and Garuda. None of us are “anti-ritvik.” Any disagreement on points of the philosophy is just like ritviks who are also split amongst themselves in how they understand and practice the philosophy. A demagogue believes that they have a corner on the truth and everyone else is wrong. Our mood is that everyone has a right to their opinions, but they don’t have a right to represent Srila Prabhupada’s words that he never wrote nor change what he did write. Whatever our beliefs, we have a common goal to establish the preeminence of the original books. Prabhupada compared his movement to a military army. Often armies become allied against a common enemy. If you see us in terms of “enemies,” that’s your choice. Still, we can work together to win battles against the BBTI.
YS, Nrsimhananda das
Hare Krsna Dear Nrsimhananda prabhu,
Obeisances.. Jaya Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you for your support of Srila Prabhupada’s original published books and his instructions in the July 9th 1977 letter to All GBC & Temple Presidents, and also follow up instructions to Hamsadutta prabhu in letter the following day, 10th July.
Apart from other discussion on the merits of the proposed conference, I wish to humbly object to the commonly used term ‘post-humous’ (actually posthumous) in relation to the physical departure of His Divine Grace. I have noted that the conference title that used, viz ..“Post-humous Editing: The Case of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami’s Books” is in itself incorrect, what to speak of not being appropriate to Srila Prabhupada.
The Chambers Dictionary defines ‘humous’ as follows…
‘humous/humic’ adjective ..’see under humus’.
‘humus’ noun.. ‘decomposed organic matter in the soil’
So the hyphenated term ‘post-humous’ (not even appearing in the dictionary), would actually refer to ‘After- decomposed organic matter in the soil’. You would expect the scholars involved would have been aware of the correct English usage in this case.
The same dictionary defines ‘posthumous’ (no hyphen) as:
” adjective.. After death or published after the author’s or composer’s death”.
There are many terms appropriate for the departure of the Maha Bhagawata Uttama pure devotee from our physical presence, and IMHO post-humous, post-humus or posthumous are definitely not among. them and are inappropriate. Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur Maharaj gives as the absolute truth:
““He reasons ill who tells that Vaisnavas die When thou art living still in sound!
The Vaisnavas die to live, and living try To spread the holy name around!”
As Srila Prabhupada himself said, “I will never die. I will live forever in my books.” In the days and years to come, may everyone come to remember Srila Prabhupada in the same way that he remembered his spiritual master:
“He lives forever by his divine instructions, and the follower lives with him.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Murti form, non different from him, presides as the Founder AND Acarya in each ISKcon temple, but regrettably most do not recognize that truth, hence the past and current state of Prabhupada’s society.
Your very fallen servant
Balaram das.
Pranams.
It is a good idea for those interested in preserving Srila Prabhupada’s books and for me especially his 1972 edition of his Gita, to have them put on USB stick. That makes teaching much easier as Srila Prabhupada’s new students can have the Gita readily available for reference along with the Gita teaching guide and original book.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
Here are some nice Gita Goodies
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/glossary/glossary_1.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/glossary/glossary_Sanskrit.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-comments.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-gallery.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-pictures_en.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-reflections.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/gita/gita-english/Bg1.html
http://www.prabhupada-books.de/english-books.html
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/
Obeisances Prabhus.. all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Good idea re forum, this has become way too cumbersome.
However for mine, Hasti Gopal prabhu has nailed it*. The ‘book changes’ are the main part of the plot by the ‘great sinister movement’ to replace Srila Prabhupada as the Acarya of his ISKCON, and Diksa guru/current link in the Sri Brahma Madhva Gaudiya Sampradaya.
This is no accidental mistake or act of incompetence in rewriting Srila Prabhupada’s books (only proof reading was ever required for further printings), and now the plan to give the final say to the crew who called His Divine Grace a ”writer for hire” to illegally claim the copyrights for their BBT-I, which is NOT a Trust, it is a commercially registered incorporation… the ‘I’ in BBT-I stands for incorporation as I understand.
*“… The time for approaching the BBT (or GBC) for anything has long since past. They are not our teachers, Srila Prabhupada is. The vast majority within the BBT are not disciples of Srila Prabhupada and with ISKCON getting younger by the year are we to be continually answering to an organization that no longer accepts Srila Prabhupada as their diksa spiritual master or his first printing books as we do?…” (mine in blue print.)
Your fallen servant,
Balaram das
The Genie is already out of the bottle and cannot be stopped! This is ”mission accomplished” for Srila Prabhupada to complete all of these great literary works.
TOVP will eventually be swallowed up by Mother Ganga and all “samhadhi’s” of bogus rascal gooroos become public urinals! Great ”monuments” built by offenders and rascals will all be destroyed or become (as many are now!) mausoleums and tombs!
Instructions of Srila Prabhupada are not subject to a show of hands by “slaughterhouse educated” committees, or “rubber stamp” conferences of conditioned-souls and pseudo-intellectuals. If they want to hold conference then LET THEM PAY FOR IT! as they are overpaid Jewish, grihamedhi “college crud” and I for one would not grease their palm with on penny piece! Not only is the ‘outcome’ of such an endeavor ‘uncertain’ but also the likelihood of a “change of heart” towards reinstating Srila Prabhupada’s original books by the FISKCON ”brain damaged” GBC, highly unlikely!
To attempt to “Adjudicate” the instructions of the Acharya by mundane means is highly offensive as one is either is a follower of Srila Prabhupada’s instructions or one is not! FISKCON is a cult of parasites, thieves, liars and deviants or at best ”feckless, impotent. fence-sitters”, who have zero realization! and this is the result of DEFYING SRILA PRABHUPADA OVER MANY DECADES!
WHY NOT CREATE A ‘VIRTUAL’ TEMPLE?
The computer technology is already available
Thanks Prabhuji
You reminded me of an e mail I sent out the other day. Below. There may be some devotees doing this elsewhere but I have not had any feed back…yet. There really is no such thing as a VIRTUAL TEMPLE that is the beauty of Achintya-bhedabheda-tattva. Any conceived service to Srila Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya in whatever framed mediation is a REAL TEMPLE with REAL SERVICE. So the fun would be that some of the devotees would describe their service and other devotees would expand on that service while sharing real enthusiasm. What ever aspect shared, others may add to it with their written meditations as I describe below.
Of course an on line temple could be created and shared by all. Those creating this on line REAL temple would have to finance any costs for the rest of us unless we agreed to donate but I think most if not all would be reluctant to donate.
If someone or a team wanted to create this REAL temple on line then the rest of could engage with the temple by coming up with more ideas for service. Many would join the temple. It is a big grasp of the REAL ALTERNATIVE REALITY that most of the devotees may actually find somewhat ludicrous. But didn’t we at first find the story of a 7 year old boy lifting a 68,000 mile high hill with His little finger 5,000 years ago in India as ludicrous?
You can get anything you want at Krsna’s Restaurant.
I will share my entries of Temple of The Heart if you share your entries.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
PS Some of us have been trading our deity pictures with other small home temples so that we may also worship their deities and them ours. And having a great time doing that. Want me to share? You have to send me a photo of your deities or the one’s you worship in a local temple.
EMail sent out March 28th
Below is an excerpt from the story below that Srila Prabhupada talked about many times.
So any devotee can build their own temple facility and talk about their service inspiring everyone else. This service is NON DIFFERENT!
You could put it on FB and remind everyone that they can do any service they want regardless of complexity or cost to Srila Prabhupada and Krsna simply by mental meditation or by recording it though writing about it in real time or past time. Anywhere in the world! Those two forms of meditation are non different from the actual 3 D physical service. I have a note book that I am slowing adding this style of service meditations to. I call it Temple of The Heart. This style of service gets the servant all the spiritual benefits of the so called real service and it has no monetary cost at all or physical limitations. I have poor legs these days but in my Temple of The Heart service I can go downtown and do exciting Hari Nam. I try to do some service like this for 15 minutes each day and record it in my note book in real time…like a live report. This is REAL bona fide devotional service. Spread the word. I have to go now and give Their Lordships the giant Gardenias I have in the fridge.
Ys Hasti
Srila Prabhupada
“Although the Lord was present in Vaikuntha, He was present also in the heart of the brahmana when he was meditating on the worshiping process.
Thus, we can understand that things offered by the devotees even in meditation are accepted by the Lord, and they help one achieve the desired result.
The Lord is so merciful that even if one is not able to afford to get the prescribed paraphernalia, the Lord accepts the offerings that are made mentally.”
Story: Offering of sweet rice to Krishna through meditation!
Story: Offering of sweet rice to Krishna through meditation!
Once there lived a poor brahmana in the city of Pratishthanapura in South India.
He was a very sincere devotee of the Lord Krishna and was satisfied with whatever the Lord had given Him. He used to hear the glories of the Lord from realized souls.
At one such meeting, while he was very faithfully hearing about Vaishnava activities, he was informed that these activities can be performed even by meditation.
So daily he used to take bath in river Godavari and then started meditating on the Lord.
When he had fixed the form of the Lord in his mind, he began to imagine in his meditations that he was dressing the Lord very nicely in costly clothing, with ornaments, helmets and other paraphernalia.
Then he offered his respectful obeisances by bowing down before the Lord. After finishing the dressing, he began to imagine that he was cleaning the temple very nicely.
After cleansing the temple, he imagined that he had many water jugs made of gold and silver, and he took all those jugs to the river and filled them with the holy water.
Not only did he collect water from the Godavari, but he collected from the Ganges, Yamuna, Narmada and Kaveri.
He also imagined to physically collect all the required paraphernalia and offer them to the Lord mentally and performed arati.
He was doing this for years and one day he decided to offer sweet-rice for the Lord.
He was preparing it in his imagination but was not satisfied as it was very hot.
He wanted to make sure whether it has cool enough and so touched the pot and his finger was burnt.
In this way his meditation broke and he was surprised to find that his finger was actually burnt.
When he was thinking like this, in Vaikuntha, Lord Narayana began to smile humorously. He immediately sent an airplane that brought the brahmana to the Lord’s abode.
( Story told by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada in book “Nectar of Devotion” )
Moral of the story:
Although the Lord was present in Vaikuntha, He was present also in the heart of the brahmana when he was meditating on the worshiping process.
Thus, we can understand that things offered by the devotees even in meditation are accepted by the Lord, and they help one achieve the desired result.
The Lord is so merciful that even if one is not able to afford to get the prescribed paraphernalia, the Lord accepts the offerings that are made mentally.
Each and every form of devotional service in the form of shravanam,kirtnam,smaranam,vandanam,archanam,paada-sevanam,daasyam,saakhyam,aatma nivedanam is equally potent and would take us close to the Lord as long as we sincerely endeavor and engage ourselves whole heartedly in serving Him with love.
While giving the mantra “on namo bhagavathe vaasudevaaya” and instructing Dhruva Maharaj about how to worship the Supreme Lord, Narada Muni says in Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 chapter 8, verse 58
paricaryaa bhagavato yaavatyah purva-sevitaah
taa mantra-hrdayenaiva prayunjyaan mantra-murtaye
“One should follow in the footsteps of previous devotees regarding how to worship the Supreme Lord with the prescribed paraphernalia, or one should offer worship within the heart by reciting the mantra to the Personality of Godhead, who is nondifferent from the mantra.”
We can find from the above verse that how much simple is the process of devotional service.
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.
PS: I humbly request all the devotees to please forward and share this
moral / instructive stories they hear so that everyone can be benefited by hearing about Krishna and his dear devotees.
Pranams Anuttama D D and Assembled Devotees and followers
I have over the years experienced learned helplessness from my God brothers and God sisters
by their silence regarding anything I propose, articles I have written or any opinions I have.
I have experienced for some time now, learned comedy. Apparently Srila Bhaktissidhanta Swami Prabhupada said on time and I paraphrase.” If there is no one to preach too then preach to the wall.”
I am quite used to facing “the wall” on line and have learned from first hand sources that most if not all the Prabhupadanugas web sites are for devotees and close followers of Srila Prabhupada only. They are NOT interested in preaching and teaching from Srila Prabhupada’s books and from an on line temple style forum that can reach millions. So it is no wonder that you are having difficulty getting devotees and followers together to bring Srila Prabhupada’s books back.
What makes us think that we are qualified to stop this ongoing bastardization of Srila Prabhupada’s books just because we are devotees and followers?.
I would ask the Prabhupadanugas: Please state for the record the history of your Prabhupadahugas organization, what service you are presently engaged in collectively that is being adversely affected by your organizations present status and condition as a result of the actions of the BBT or BBTI?
I do not frankly see that we are qualified now to have the first printing books returned when we cannot even communicate in a one on one face to face devotee communication with a system that Srila Prabhpada would have loved to have been a part of back in the day.
Be careful what you wish for.
Good luck!
Ys Hasti Gopa;a dasa
The problem is not so much the availability of Srila Prabhupada’s books but in applying Srila Prabhupada’s instructions which are there in his purports. I have purchased some books from used book stores and the owners always tell me that they do not sell very quickly, which is understandable as most are not interested in spiritual subject matter (even less now than a few decades ago) and as the Kali Yuga becomes more materially contaminated this will only increase.
Many ”charity” shops sell used books but throw into the bin all ”religious type books and also paraphenalia”. The ”seemingly benign” Red Cross does this also as they want to appear ”secular” but really they are only interested in money. They are actually quite demonic and are based on the Satanic Knights Templar (as is The Order of St John). The German Red Cross murdered many “intellectually disabled and blind persons” under the Nazi’s (by lethal injection) and then informed relatives that they died from a disease outbreak.
The aspiring bhaktas will, at the present not have much difficulty in acquiring these books but very few will actually apply the many instructions laid down by Srila Prabhupada in order to gain sufficient realization to take a stand on principal and recognize the MANY pretenders, demons and sellouts who are only attracted to Lord Krishna (like a pedophile is attracted to a child). These Putana, pretetenders only want to enjoy Lord Krishna’s energy, and enslave it’s followers, solidifying their parasitical hegemony upon everyone else, sucking the blood out of everything that Srila Prabhupada has provided for the well-being of all. As they only give “lip-service” to Srila Prabhupada, BUT ALWAYS DEFY HIS AUTHORITY, BOOKS, INSTRUCTIONS AND DIRECTIONS, THEY HAVE ZERO REALIZATION! ZERO! (as this is only acquired through adherence to his direction).
THESE RASCALS HAVE ALIGNED THEMSELVES WITH WORST OF THE WORST………POLITICIANS, BANKERS (who are members of secret societies), BOGUS PSEUDO-SCIENCE, MAYAVADI’S, BOGUS “ENVIRONMENTAL CAUSES”, AGENDA 21 VEGANISM, “INTERFAITH” AND THE UN WHICH IS ALL BOGUS, DANGEROUS, SATANIC IDEOLOGY COMING FROM THE ILLUMINATI AND ROTHSCHILD.
Pranams
We must be seriously reminded that those who want to criticize anyone accepting Srila Prabhupada as their spiritual master in the heart or by formal initiation are not Srila Prabhupada disciples or followers. So we need not consider their opinions.. ISKCON has spread it’s influence by use of the franchise method. Or the right to be and exercise the powers of a corporation. That corporation is ISKCON now as it stands. Any worship that is done via Srila Prabhupada’s murti within ISKCON temples and their franchise is simply a feint. Or a customary tradition in a particular manner in order to deceive their society, members and the world that they serve Srila Prabhupada. Sure they will offer bhoga to him through Krsna with the relative prayers but that again is a simple custom to appease anyone doubting their sincerity. They have no faith in that that service is bona fide. Meanwhile their sinful activity abounds without cessation..
They are not Srila Prabhupada disciples, followers or our teachers. So simply get on with Srila Prabhupada’s instructions as sincerely as you can. That is all that he asks any of us. Ignore the riff-raff and know that you are connected to Srila Prabhupada and Krsna.
Regarding the latest message from THE BHAKTIVEDANTA LIVES IN SOUND SOCIETY
https://www.inbliss.org/home/why-are-the-original-books-changed
Sorry, not in the least bit interested. What is here no longer concerns me. I am only interested in what we can do to help the conditioned souls become Krsna conscious through direct personal association with Srila Prabhupada.
Ys Hasti Gopala dasa
Hasti Gopala dasa writes ; ” ……I am only interested in what we can do to help the conditioned souls become Krsna conscious through direct personal association with Srila Prabhupada.”
Yes, it is indeed an honest ” Intent and Purpose ” of all sincere and serious devotees / followers of our Jagat Guru His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada to follow through direct personal association with His VANI, and present the same As It Is to the conditioned souls without any deletion or addition in order to help innocent people to become Krsna Conscious unlike this Purujit dasa and his associates of this link ; https://www.inbliss.org/home/why-are-the-original-books-changed . blowing his own horn for their own personal agenda and certain Prathistha.
This Purujit has been told many times that he should leave Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS alone, and write his own books from the scratch for any type of commentary he wishes. But this idiot does not seem to understand and continues using Srila Prabhupada’s Name, Fame and Status and His Books for making a misleading commentary to satisfy his own whimsical desires. That’s all he and his associates are engaged to do all in the name of serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
Further, Shriman Sudarsana Das Vanacari Prabhu’s comment speaks volume in this regard ;
” THE SATANIC INFLUENCES THAT CREATED THE KING JAMES “BIBLE” ARE THE SAME INFLUENCES THAT “INSPIRE” JAYA ISRAEL TO BASTARDIZE SRILA PRABHUPADA’S TRANSCENDENTAL BOOKS. ”
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri:This Purujit has been told many times that he should leave Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS alone, and write his own books from the scratch for any type of commentary he wishes. But this idiot does not seem to understand and continues using Srila Prabhupada’s Name, Fame and Status and His Books for making a misleading commentary to satisfy his own whimsical desires. That’s all he and his associates are engaged to do all in the name of serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
Mahesh: Here is what Srila Prabhupada states:
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Prabhupāda: No, if you have got your own opinion, you can write your own book. But you cannot interpret on the Bhagavad-gītā.
Professor: Yes, that’s right. You are right.
Prabhupāda: Then the authority of Bhagavad-gītā is gone. But everyone is doing like that, even Dr. Radhakrishnan and others.
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Note: the consequences of offenses: brain paralysis
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As there are so many so-called scholars… When this verse is translated and commented upon by big scholar… I do not wish to utter his name. He is very big man. But now he is living dead. Because he has committed so many offenses, now he is living, but he has lost his memory. Very recently I went to see him. He cannot… He is like that. So all his intelligence is finished. So nature is so strong that you can malinterpret, but nature is so strong that one day he will make you forget everything, brain paralysis.
Hari Bol Mataji’s and Prabhuji’s!
I thank you for the replies. The thing is, there will be alot of confusion, especially for those who come into contact with Krishna Consciousness recently. Because of these different issues, like changes of books, I am reluctant to even meet devotees and always look with suspect. Both Jayadvaita but also others who want to edit should think about this.
We are new into Krishna Consciousness. This kind of behaviour has made people like me alienated from society. The thing is, I believe everything what Srila Prabhupada had said and written (I also listen to his lectures). I know that there are many pseudo-devotees acting like they are devotees and followers of Srila Prabhupada. This made me think about Kailasa Candra Dasa’s article called Priestcraft: https://therealexplanation.org/article/priestcraft.html
Can’t we agree atleast on the following:
Changing or editing any book, results in Bowdlerizing. So atleast do not touch those books from which Srila Prabhupada gave his lectures?
I’d say, all ORIGINAL books during Srila Prabhupada’s lifetime are not to be touched. Suppose one has some opinion about changing some things, do it on your own behalf. I mean, make a book on your own and put your own name on it. If it is genuine, Lord Krishna will appreciate and reaction will come in form of appreciation by the innocent masses and scholars.
Could you Mataji’s and Prabhuji’s read the summary comments by HG Govinda Dasi Mataji and give your view on what she says?
http://www.govindadasi.com/summary-comments-by-govinda-dasi-and-others-on-2003-meeting-with-jayadvaita-swami.html
Hare Krishna!
https://sites.google.com/view/backtogodhead
HG Govinda Dasi is against the book changes (as I understand it) but has also been brainwashed by the FISKCON hierarchy of bogus “gurus” and offenders of Srila Prabhupada, together with having false notions from the slaughter-house “education system” which is a tool of Freemasonry. The discussion about book-changes usually descends into a ‘he says, she says, he says etc without any understanding or research into the Freemason influence, which in essence is worship of dark forces (Jah-bul-on, Moloch, Satan, Baal etc) and an adversarial, envious and poisonous denial of God, morality and dharma.
She mentions Bowdler in her article (who was a Freemason) who is responsible for changing many things in The Bible and censorship of many other works) but mentions nothing about Freemasonry. Her friend seeks “clarification” about “Bowdlerism” so writes a letter to her former “professor”, John Trimble (who is also a Freemason), but mysteriously there is no mention of this either. She goes on to mention that his book “Writing with Style” and other similar works such as ”Elements of Style” by Strunk and White (also Freemasons) are a kind of standard issue for all who study the art of writing.
Bowdler is heavily promoted by The Smithsonian Institute (also founded by a Freemasons). The Smithsonian is also a promoter of pseudo-science, through NASA such as the “moon landing” which never happened! as all of the directors of NASA and “astronauts” are high level Freemasons!
Why Govinda Dasi would want to meet with a reprobate such as Jayadvaita is beyond me as such offenders of Srila Prabhupada should be avoided at all cost as they only produce venom, are psychopaths and can only be purified through pain. Jayadvaita (Jaya Israel) is a big promoter of “down style’ which in which he says “The editors of Chicago (magazine) urge a “down style” in the field of religion, as in others. Specifically they say that pronouns, referring to God or Christ, “are preferably NOT capitalized”
The owner of Chicago (Sam Zell) is a Zionist Jew and member of B’nai B’rith a powerful Freemason Illuminati lobby group and will recommend any process which MINIMIZES the authority of God and His pure representative! He is reportedly a disgusting individual that screams obscenities at his staff, who have also complained to authorities of sexual harassment and intimidation, so this is Jaya Israels “authority” it seems.
Jaya Israel’s other great “inspiration” is the heavily “MASONIZED AND BASTARDIZED” King James Bible. He says, “Does the use of ‘lower case’ imply an impious lack of regard for the Diety? The King James Bible also, that great work of awe and reverence, affords God a lower case as “he”. (for that matter so does the “book of mormon”). Firstly King James was a Freemason and a homosexual (10 years inducted into Freemasonry when the KJV was written) secondly it was mostly written by Francis Bacon (Freemason and Rosicrucian) and John Dee ( Black “Magician” and founder of British “Intelligence”).
So here lies all the “confusion” (and Govinda Dasi is also confused!) These are Jaya Israel’s “LITERARY AUTHORITIES” …… ZIONISTS, FREEMASONS, HOMOSEXUALS, BLACK MAGICIANS AND SPOOKS, ROSICRUCIANS and let’s not forget (in jaya Israel’s own words!) THE BOOK OF MORMON!
Mormonism was created by Freemasons in the mid 1800s after the murder of a Freemason in the USA (I think in 1867). Much publicity saw freemasonry numbers plummet, so Mormonism was born (re-badged Freemasonry) with all the similar rituals etc The founder was a convicted con artist and abuser of others wives which eventuated in his death by gunfire, from an angry mob!
THE SATANIC INFLUENCES THAT CREATED THE KING JAMES “BIBLE” ARE THE SAME INFLUENCES THAT “INSPIRE” JAYA ISRAEL TO BASTARDIZE SRILA PRABHUPADA’S TRANSCENDENTAL BOOKS.
When the KJB was first introduced it was soundly rejected by many religious leaders of the day, Puritan, Pilgrims etc because of the Satanic, masonic imagery and symbolism that they instantly recognised. Even Anglican leaders were very disturbed by this (who are supposed to be silent and compliant, accepting without a murmur) rebelled, refusing to replace their Geneva Bibles with these Masonic deviations filled with Satanic symbolism.
So in his Jaya Israel’s own words, praise and “awe and reverence” of homosexuals, Freemasons, Black Magicians and Spooks, Rosicrucians Mormons, and Zionists, these are the real “authorities” that “inspire” Jaya Israel (a high-school dropout!) to discard the words of a pure devotee Srila Prabhupada and replace them with his own! WHAT ARROGANCE! WHAT FOOLISHNESS! WHAT STUPIDITY!
Well that is my ‘take’ on it anyway! I hope this sheds a little light on the subject for you. Hare Krishna!
Correction:
The 1867 date I gave for the murder of Captain William Morgan of New York (a former Freemason whistle-blower) by Freemasons is incorrect. The date was in fact 1826 (just 4 years before the ‘Book of Mormon’ was written by Freemason con-man Joseph Smith with the help of his Freemason brother Hyrum. Their parents were also Freemasons.