DIVINE OR DEMONIAC – SPIRITUAL MOVEMENTS AND THE ENEMIES WITHIN
PADA: Yes, ISKCON was attacked by an evil infiltration. Yes, Dhanesvara agrees, Srila Prabhupada says — just like Jesus was killed, they may kill me also. So the evil doers might have plotted and schemed to do just that. They maybe administered poison to Srila Prabhupada to “get him out of the way.” Then they could rob, pillage and rampage ISKCON, and bring it down into a criminal mayhem mess, as happened under their watch.
Dhanesvara made a live video about all this which I saw for only a few minutes, not sure if its still available since the link says “not available.” Anyway, he was saying that the movement has been attacked by evil people posing as devotees. And we can judge by the result, i.e. that demoniac thinking and activity produces demoniac results. Agreed.
I think we agree on a lot of issues, however he says that all the camps should join together on the basis of chanting the holy name. OK, but how will the people who worship the evil people be able to join with the people who want to worship Prabhupada? He really does not explain? He also says the ritvik idea is wrong, ok so who is going to be the living guru now? Again, no explanation.
Now we also have had the same type problem with some people posing as Prabhupadanugas. They are making a show of saying they want to fix things, meanwhile they are in favor of allowing the crimes like child molesting etc. to go on unchecked. Yes, they think that PADA should simply sit back, and allow all sorts of crimes to go on as they have been doing all along. OK, so they are posing as devotees, but they want the same agenda as the bogus GBC wants, to suppress our complaints about the criminal process.
Anyway, Dhanesvara is correct on a number of points, and that is helpful to at least clear away a few of the cobwebs here. I think he means well, he wants everyone to join together and have some sort of hunky dory kumbaya party, hee hee. Well maybe, but generally Krishna does not allow certain type folks to really enter into His realm just because they are externally chanting some mantra, He wants to see the real pure internal hearts of people.
So this is one good thing Dhanesvara repeats, we will know them by their fruits. And their fruits are self-evidently nasty. They may try to hide their real nature, but their real nature is exposed in time. Yep! So false gurus, false Prabhupadanugas, same thing, you guys posed as devotees, but never understood the real essence from square one. ys pd
Dravida Prabhu’s Guru Tattva Convoluted Mishmash
PADA: The spiritual master is a “rati keli siddha,” i.e. a person who is serving Radharani and the gopis. The GBC’s gurus are not on that level, but we should sing these songs to the GBC’s gurus anyway. Why? We should realize that eventually they might come to that platform. OK maybe. Post dated check?
Then what about the many who fell, and they went backwards? They are never coming to that platform, at least not for many more lifetimes. We should worship a conditioned soul person as an assistant of the gopis, because, he might eventually come to that platform?
I should buy a Volkswagen because it might eventually become a Cadillac?
And according to Dravida’s pal Jayadvaita swami, the GBC’s guru program contains — illicit sex with men, women and children, and this is morphed into — rati keli siddha? How can these platforms be merged together, material conditioning and spiritual perfection? This is a very convoluted explanation, fer sure. A devotee says Dravida also said at one time, he is not sure who we should meditate on during the singing of these guru songs? We are not sure who to meditate on? Is this mayavada? Word jugglery alert! ys pd
Puranjan das: He also says the ritvik idea is wrong, ok so who is going to be the living guru now? Again, no explanation.
Mahesh: Dhanesvara is ANTI RITVIK HYPOCRITE. These types are looking for some POWER POSITION within the gang structure and surface to the top try their luck. Their Gimmick is write some book, paper in order to make them look MR BIG and “IMPARTIAL”. It is all a CON TRICK.
All these people have one thing in common: they are after SLAVES (disciples) so they can live a life of LUXURY at others expense.
Unfortunately in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas, and Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says, kali-celā. He indicates that there is another Vaiṣṇava, a pseudoVaiṣṇava with tilaka on his nose and kaṇṭhī beads around his neck. Such a pseudoVaiṣṇava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaiṣṇavas. Although passing for a Vaiṣṇava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura therefore says that such a pseudoVaiṣṇava is not a Vaiṣṇava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an ācārya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaiṣṇava ācārya. A Vaiṣṇava ācārya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. A false ācārya may try to override a Vaiṣṇava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/1/220
Haribol , Dandavats to the true truth seekers
DIVINE OR DEMONIAC – SPIRITUAL MOVEMENTS AND THE ENEMIES WITHIN
Invite anyone to Bangalore India and personally see how weird both of the “ITS A CON” are that was taken over by the Hindus or the ultra rich western gurus/corrupt GBC here in INDIA and else where.
I would like to see a bunch of us kick out these leaders and water board a few for the truth than send them to caves in the Himalayans for purification
(after emptying their personal bank accounts)!
Speaking my mind THANKS.
Your lowly servant and warrior for Srila Prabhupada.
Simplicity and sincerity. Just try our best to represent Srila Prabhupada as honestly and sincerely as possible via his original instructions and books.Those we will encounter will be more attracted to that than anyone falsely posing as a great vaisnava or guru. That is real wealth and real power…for Krsna and Srila Prabhupada. We will always have the counter culture. It is a world of cheaters and cheated. With the original first printing Gita all questions are answered.
‘Srila Prabhupada is our leader, the holy name is our main weapon and the original Bhagavad Gita As It Is is our war plan.”
It is evident that all articles and reports in last 30 years are having an impact on many people…still there is a loggerheads between those who are Prabhupadanugas and those who are envious or misled. …so Dhaneswara Prabhu has been avoided the guru issue to some degree but he has approached the dilemna as devotees from a different perspective …..he has historically shown how our history happened by quoting Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Prabhupada on how infiltration is quite common…Even Christian scholars say the research is perfect.. hopefully discussion on the book including poison chapter will make a difference to remove the Kalichelas and bring full attention to Srila Prabhupadas as world acarya…Hare Krsna
dharma : Dhaneswara Prabhu has been avoided the guru issue to some degree but he has approached the dilemna as devotees from a different perspective …..he has historically shown how our history happened by quoting Srila Bhaktisiddhanta and Prabhupada on how infiltration is quite common…Even Christian scholars say the research is perfect.. hopefully discussion on the book including poison chapter will make a difference to remove the Kalichelas and bring full attention to Srila Prabhupadas as world acarya…Hare Krsna
Mahesh: Reality is – this avoidance on the guru issue by Dhaneswara is BECAUSE HE IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE ANTI RITVIK GANG who CONTROL the movement with his POISON giving buddies. Presenting the poison issues etc is just COSMETIC attempt to improve their OWN IMAGE.
Common-sense: the TRUTH IS OUT: they can NOT HIDE this ANY LONGER.
Everything is on INTERNET NOW—— SO there are lots of devotees who read and see EVEN WITHOUT his mentioning:
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/whispers.htm
http://gurupoison.tripod.com/support/pada.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943
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dharma :…. hopefully discussion on the book including poison chapter will make a difference to remove the Kalichelas and bring full attention to Srila Prabhupadas as world acarya
Mahesh: their BLUFF mission is: OLD set of ANTI RITVIK GOONS replace with NEW set of ANTI RITVIK GOONS. This is NOT going to change ANYTHING. This is just their CON TRICK to fool the devotees:
1) Are the POISON GANG who CONTROL the institution going to give up their hold on factory produced rubber-stamped SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING CONDITIONED SOUL bogus gurus and Institute Ritvik System as per Srila Prabhupada’s July 9th 1977 Order?
2) Are they going to institute Direction of Management (1970) as per Srila Prabhupada wishes?
3) Is Jayadvaita going and company going to give back the BBT AND PRINT ORIGINAL UNCHANGED BOOKS?
4) Are the Temple authorities going to stop the HUGH salaries they put into their OWN pockets?
Note: These ATHEISTIC ANTI RITVIK CROOKS will NOT change:
KB 1 Advent of Lord Krsna
When Vasudeva was returning home with his first-born child, although he was pleased by the behavior of Kamsa, HE COULD NOT BELIEVE IN HIM BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT KAMSA WAS UNCONTROLLED. AN ATHEISTIC PERSON CANNOT BE FIRM IN HIS WORD OF HONOR. ONE WHO CANNOT CONTROL THE SENSES CANNOT BE STEADY IN HIS DETERMINATION. The great politician, Canakya Pandita, said, “Never put your trust in a diplomat or in a woman.” THOSE WHO ARE ADDICTED TO UNRESTRICTED SENSE GRATIFICATION CAN NEVER BE TRUTHFUL, NOR CAN THEY BE TRUSTED WITH ANY FAITH.
Note: the BEST OPTION NOW is to follow:
NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42180
We the sincere devotees and followers of Srila Prabhupada take shelter of his original 1972 Bhagavad Gita. Those who do not are not our leaders nor our representatives. Therefore anything going on in this presented organization?…we are not part of, we know nothing of them and we deny ever knowing who ever these people are or were.
We deny them.
There is enough dirt now that the demons may keep representing themselves with crime after crime after crime after crime so that the action of the Hare Krsna movement becomes derailed by anxiety and fear. We did not engage in anything wrong, we did everything right because we were and are sincere in our actions. What ever comes about now and in the future is their problem. They cannot drag us down by their history because again, we deny them. We are free and we are liberated. We care only for those who are needing Srila Prabhupada’s help and we have no time for anymore of the false isKcon controversies. Anyone who wants to spend time in the demon kitchens digesting their meals of stool will be forever in fear and anxiety. We left their kitchens decades ago and do not care for anything to do with them in any way shape or form. We have taken shelter of the original Bhagavad Gita As It Is. Notice that there is no controversy about the original Gita and that is where we are, taking shelter with in it’s pages.
So I say in no uncertain terms to them regarding our lives. We should pay no more attention to them and their histories. Doing so is a complete waste of time.