Srila Nice but Dead-pada.
World’s largest karma vacuum cleaner,
but now his karma dust bag is full.
PANIC IN ISKCON’S MOLESTER’S NEST
They are dropping like flies. Who can replace the heavy mafia hitters like JPS? There is no one that I can think of. Shaky Subhag? At best New Vrndavana former henchman and murder accomplice Radhanath? Srila wasted pada Gopal Krishna swami, also on his last legs?
Clown show Mahavishnu, also very rusty antique? BB health club weight lifter fool Govinda, another antique relic? The ever crazy mad man Satsvarupa and his henchman Ravindra swarupa, also on their way out the door to being museum pieces?
It looks like Krishna has been weeding the field the whole time, and no one noticed! Until now, and they are panicking. Who will manage their living guru’s program, when they are all dead? Their pedophile legacy won’t stand, and the Prabhupadanugas will stand up and win over time.
COMMENT BY ARUNA DAS
Krishnas mercy, he became a vegetable, neither dead nor alive, just a fading away vegetable. That was his punishment for creating a molesters nest in the holy dham. Death was to good for him. He has to suffer his Karma already in this life, what to speak in the next. Yamaraja is awaiting him for the final punishment. On that day we will celebrate.
COMMENT BY LW:
I actually feel bad for Jayapataka. He had a lot of ambition, and it killed him. He wanted to be worshiped as good as God, but he was anything but … as good as God … what with all of his perverted molester friends. Now he will be known forever as the leader of a child beating and raping society … not the Krishna society.
He made Mayapura into a hell hole for children. He had all of us made into the enemy. And he has had unspeakable crimes committed … all to stay in office for another day.
And all for what? So he could sit in a big seat for a short time on a little Kali Yuga planet in the middle of nowhere of much importance in the universe. The demigods won’t even come here to pass urine. It is not a significant place for them either.
So he will have a samadhi along with all the other bogus people … but eventually people will wake up … and dig up those bogus samadhis and throw them into the trash. I already know some people who would do that now if they could.
It is all held together artificial with goonda enforcement. But after awhile … he is gone, his goondas are gone, and we come in and shovel their sh*t carcasses out of these samadhis and burn them as toxic material.
It won’t last. And it is not lasting as we speak, it is falling apart. They probably know that by now, their big plans turned into a sh*t show and everyone hates them and hopes they disappear.
And that is why he does not disappear. He knows when he goes, the hounds of hell will bite his behind all the way to Yamaraja’s planet … where he will have to answer for all this. He does all he can to continue here, and that is just a lot of suffering. When he departs the suffering really kicks in. So stay here and delay the court hearing.
It won’t save you sir, sorry to have to tell you. No one likes to see another soul suffering, and then we feel bad for him. But once you have made so many thousands of devotees suffer … you officially woke up the sleeping giant of karma, and it will come after you with a vengeance.
Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. And there is nothing that will save a person once that kicks in. Even partial vengeance he is getting now is a small sample of what happens next … And I feel bad for the poor guy … but nothing can save a maha-aparadhi leader of the Satanic child abuse cult … nothing and no one, his ride to glory will be over and it is all downhill from there …
His pics are too depressing! Like watching a corpse decompose. Like a clogged toilet that just will not flush, JPS refuses to disappear from the limelight and for anybody BS themselves into thinking of joining the Guru business, when you sell your soul, make sure your body isn’t included.
It is a race to the bottom in corporate IsKcon as they are competing with one another to see which can be the most vile, perverse, and evil – and get away with it. IsKcon simply has to crash and burn. You get NO REFORM without the crash and burn.
Obelix thought he had the potion,
poison Prabhupada was the notion,
wheelchair bound, no doc’ can fix,
should have been KC like Asterix!
He is still making more devotees than you, that’s what Srila Prabhupada wanted. Not to publicly blaspheme those who have dedicated their lives for propagating the holy name of the Lord (remember this?). ????
Spend more time in making devotees than criticizing others. Hare Krishna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
It is infinitely easier to cheat persons and take them to hell, than it is to get people to accept the truth, and this has been said by many previous Acharyas and also echoed by His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada himself! So your quantitative analysis is by definition an irrelevance!
One has be a Mahabhagavat (Uttama Adhikari) to deliver others from birth and death and from the punishment that awaits miscreants, poisoners and deviants. This individual is clearly being punished for poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, and overseeing a 40 year long regime of child rape, homo-sex and murder!
Anybody with half a brain can see that he is 95% already IN HELL! and only just hanging on by his finger-nails as the vultures are circling, all fighting to fill a vacuum when he descends into the dark abyss! I would be happy just to save ONE soul among the tens of thousands of unfortunate reprobates who will follow him TO HELL! JUST ONE! THAT’S ALL! BUT EVEN THAT IS A BIG ASK CONSIDERING THE LEVEL OF MASS STUPIDITY THAT SURROUNDS THIS KABBALIST JEW DEMON!
When criticism EXPOSES AND DEFEATS the demons then this is a validation of the truthful intent of such criticism. It is Lord Krishna who is PUNISHING however!
Does he not look like he is being punished? Is it not Lord Krishna Himself who is punishing him? Lord Krishna is not a sadist who punishes people for no reason!
Note: usually the Anti Ritvik people try and gag/manipulate from these type of discussions because THIS type of discussions EXPOSES their bogus stand. We had Gajanand Agarwal who also wanted to promote these bogus gurus as Uttama Adhikari.
76-09-22. Letter: Ayodhyapati
Your siddhanta is correct to the sastra and in this way go on reading books and have the correct perception and Krsna will help you. siddhanta baliya citte na kara alasa iha haite krsna lage sudrdha manasa. A SINCERE STUDENT SHOULD NOT NEGLECT THE DISCUSSION OF SUCH CONCLUSIONS, CONSIDERING THEM CONTROVERSIAL, FOR SUCH DISCUSSIONS SRENGTHEN THE MIND. THUS ONE’S MIND BECOMES ATTACHED TO SRI KRSNA.
YOU SHOULD BE ALWAYS ALERT IN UNDERSTANDING THE SASTRIC CONCLUSIONS THAT WILL HELP YOU, OTHERWISE WE CAN BE MISLED BY BOGUS PHILOSOPHIES. I am very pleased that you are studying the books. This will make you happy and successful.
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Note: this is from comments section.
Gajanand Agarwal: Good
only a uttam adikari can identify who is uttam adhikari
are u uttam adhikari to judge if Srila Prabhupada disciples are Uttam or not?
Who gives you authority to judge?
I will wait for reply
Mahesh: Prabhu, Hare Krsna!
Please do not get upset Just because this does not meet YOUR particular criteria.
Proof is Sastra. You can not speculate what YOU want.
The statement below is CLEAR indication of a devotee to BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE KANISTHA-ADHIKARI, MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI AND UTTAMA-ADHIKARI. It does not ask one to be Uttama adhikari first to identify Uttama Adhikari. Yet, another point made as a follow-up to back-up this statement is: SRILA BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS GIVEN SOME PRACTICAL HINTS TO THE EFFECT THAT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI VAISNAVA CAN BE RECOGNIZED BY HIS ABILITY TO CONVERT MANY FALLEN SOULS TO VAISNAVISM.
NoI 5 IN THIS VERSE SRILA RUPA GOSVAMI ADVISES THE DEVOTEE TO BE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE KANISTHA-ADHIKARI, MADHYAMA-ADHIKARI AND UTTAMA-ADHIKARI. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform. SRILA BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS GIVEN SOME PRACTICAL HINTS TO THE EFFECT THAT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI VAISNAVA CAN BE RECOGNIZED BY HIS ABILITY TO CONVERT MANY FALLEN SOULS TO VAISNAVISM. ONE SHOULD NOT BECOME A SPIRITUAL MASTER UNLESS HE HAS ATTAINED THE PLATFORM OF UTTAMA-ADHIKARI. A neophyte Vaisnava or a Vaisnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they cannot advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance. Therefore a disciple should be careful to accept an uttama-adhikari as a spiritual master.
ys mahesh
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
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Chowaniec, Alexandra: Spend more time in making devotees than criticizing others.
Mahesh: First of all get YOUR facts right, and do not try and gag/manipulate others from speaking the truth. It is not criticizing but pointing out THE TRUTH:
IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH.
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN IN A STRAIGHT AND FORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE FACTS ARE. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
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Prabhupäda: No, no. To criticize means… Of course, when you are preaching,
we have to show the real truth. And that is not criticizing. It is just like if you
call a thief a thief. If you point out, “This man is thief,” this is NOT criticizing. If
I warn that “Don’t mix with Gaurasundara; he is a thief,” and suppose he is a
thief, is it criticizing? We are saying that “This is the path of yoga system
Chowaniec, Alexandra: He is still making more devotees than you, that’s what Srila Prabhupada wanted.
Mahesh: Compare the indentical thinking of these two Anti Ritviks:Chowaniec, Alexandra and Gajanand Agarwal:
Gajanand Agarwal: As you mentioned uttam adhikari can convert fallen souls to vaishnavism
so each sanyasi disciple known to me has converted 1000+ people vaishnavs whom u are critisizing
how many souls did u convert?
Mahesh: They (sexyasis and sin-yasis) converted NOTHING. It is Srila Prabhupada’s books that is doing the converting.
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
BY: MAHESH RAJA
Dec 7, UK (SUN) — One who is accepting discipline from Srila Prabhupada is Srila Prabhupada’s disciple.
In ISKCON we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive instructions (DISCIPLINE) FROM Srila Prabhupada’s books. Even the most basic discipline, 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Mantra and four Regulative Principles are coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. Common sense — if you ARE being disciplined BY Srila Prabhupada then it follows you ARE Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. How can it be otherwise?
The MEANING of the word “disciple”
Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:
Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”
Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada. We are actually being disciplined by Srila Prabhupada. It is Srila Prabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat, fish or eggs; no intoxication (including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.
Srila Prabhupada’s books contain all the instructions, the guidance required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of material nature. In fact, Srila Prabhupada is personally present as his books.
Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1, Text 35:
“There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual masters instructions and the spiritual master himself.”
Since the instructions of the spiritual master and the spiritual master are not different, one can be the disciple of Srila Prabhupada by following his discipline and can be considered Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. Another point is he can be considered both direct disciple and not direct simultaneously, because Srila Prabhupada is still present in his instruction form (his books). The following example will illustrate the point.
Srila Krsnadasa kaviraja is the example of both direct and not direct disciple simultaneously. (THE PHILOSOPHY OF SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND DIFFERENCE).
Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1:
“A direct disciple of Srila Rupa Gosvami was Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, stands as the DIRECT DISCIPLE of Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was Srila Narottama dasa Thakura, who accepted Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti as his servitor. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji, who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila Gaurakishore dasa Babaji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja, the divine master of our humble self. Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta will contain nothing newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally eaten by the Lord Himself.”
Caitanya-caritamra, Antya 19.102:
Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was not actually a direct disciple of Srila Rupa Gosvami, but he FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given by Srila Rupa Gosvami in Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. He therefore ACTED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS of Rupa Gosvami and prayed in every chapter for his mercy.
Who is Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple?
Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, June 13, 1976, Detroit:
Prabhupada: “Who is my disciple? First of all let him FOLLOW STRICTLY THE DISCIPLINED RULES.
Devotee (2): As long as one is following, then he is…
Prabhupada: Then he is all right.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Bhaktijana, September 21, 1972:
“You do not require to worry as I shall never leave you, you are my disciple and I am your spiritual master, so there is no question, AS LONG AS you follow my instructions, that I shall ever leave you. Just remember under all circumstances to chant sixteen rounds of japa daily, offer your prasadam to Krsna, and do all of the things which you already know, as you are senior disciple. These things will protect you under all conditions, without any doubt.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, November 7, 1975:
“SO LONG AS one follows the principles, he continues to be my disciple.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tusta Krsna, November 9, 1975:
“SO LONG AS one continues to follow the rules and regulations, he continues to be my disciple wherever he may be.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter, July 9, 1969:
“Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed. That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of the Spiritual Master life after life.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Cidananda, November 25, 1973:
“Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BE TOGETHER. Just like I have written in the first publications of Srimad-Bhagavatam, “The spiritual Master lives forever by His divine instruction and the disciple lives with him.”, because I have always served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by the great acharya’s and in the end you will see.”
Who is NOT Srila Prabhupada’s disciple?
Initiation does not bear any meaning
Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 11, 1970:
“Regarding your question of an initiated person falling prey to the maya, the answer is that so long we are in this material world, there is always chance of being spoiled by Maya, so we must stick with vow to the Lotus Feet of Krishna. An initiated devotee is given the chance for becoming free from the entanglement of karma wheel. Initiated means beginning, not perfection. The Spiritual Master’s business is to guide him to the perfectional point. But if one does not strictly follow the guidance of a bonafide Spiritual Master HIS INITIATION DOES NOT BEAR ANY MEANING. The initiation performance is an agreement by the disciples to abide by the order of the Spiritual Master. Therefore, if the Spiritual Master is bonafide and the disciple is serious to abide by His order, then the success is sure.”
Otherwise they are NOT my disciples
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Raja Laksmi, February 17, 1976:
“My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLES.”
Against the principle
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dhrstaketu, July 17, 1976:
“Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that one with long hair is not my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can’t compromise. The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard, that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can’t eat a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then licked up. There are so many other rules also. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THAT THEY KEPT BEARD.”
There are many so-called Prabhupada disciples – but only in name. They in fact decline to follow Srila Prabhupada’s discipline hence they are Srila Prabhupada disciples in name only. They show superficial lip service to Srila Prabhupada.
Disciple in name only
Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, New York, July 10, 1976:
Prabhupada: And the Bon Maharaja is his follower. HE’S IN NAME a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, BUT HE’S A SERVANT OF Vivekananda.
Tamala Krsna: He’s very similar to him.
Prabhupada: He’s a great appreciator of Vivekananda. He has put in his curriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi philosophy. Rascal, what philosophy they have got?
STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA’S DISCIPLES, HIS PROPERTIES, FOR ONESELF (BECOMING SELF MADE GURU-BY BOGUS GBC APPOINTMENT OF 2/3 MAJORITY VOTES) HAS GRAVE CONSEQUENCES:
Krsna Book, Chapter 64 – The Story of King Nrga:
At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said, “Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana’s property, there is no remedy for the mistake. THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA’S COW, HE WAS CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A BRAHMANA.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) “IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER’S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”
Lord Krsna continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A SERPENT GIVES TROUBLE TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or curses you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
It has been a common practice among Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers to steal Srila Prabhupada’s disciples by trickery. Sridhara Maharaja and Puri Maharaja are also known to have re-initiated Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Narayana Maharaja is also a culprit in this deplorable un-Vaisnava, offensive, insulting conduct. This act proves they are conditioned souls.
From the letter below one can see that history repeats itself; because they are conditioned souls they ventured to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Thus, they were caught out as Srila Prabhupada clearly says of the action: “SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION.”
Srila Prabhupada Letter to Mukunda, March 26, 1968:
“In meantime, I have also received one letter which is very depressing from Hrsikesa. I understand that he has been induced by Bon Maharaja to be initiated by him for giving him shelter, and this foolish boy has accepted his inducement. This isn’t very happy news, and I have replied Hrsikesa’s letter in the following words, which please take note, and in the future, we shall be very cautious about them. “My Dear Hrsikesa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter of March 14, 1968, and I am greatly surprised. I AM GREATLY SURPRISED FOR BON MAHARAJA’S INITIATING YOU IN SPITE OF HIS KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY INITIATED BY ME. SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of my service unto you and you will always have my blessings, BUT YOU MUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTEE. A GREAT BLUNDER. I do not wish to discuss on this point more elaborately now, but if you are desirous to know further about it, I shall be glad to give you more enlightenment. Mukunda is not here. He has gone to L.A. Hope you are well.” If Hrsikesa writes you letter I think you may avoid reply. I DO NOT APPROVE BOTH HRSIKESA’S AND BON MAHARAJA’S THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. Hoping you are both well.”
In venturing to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples —they could not even have understood the philosophy properly. As It is clearly stated: A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN. For them to Initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples they would be falling into a trap of REJECTING Srila Prabhupada as the Initiating Guru—DIRECT INSULT-committed BOTH by the so-called disciple of Srila Prabhupada and their conditioned soul “gurus”.
Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1.35:
The Spiritual Masters
“The expert spiritual master knows well how to engage his disciple’s energy in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, and thus he engages a devotee in a specific devotional service according to his special tendency. A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN.”
ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAT DIKSA
AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!
HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE
HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE
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This stupid world is for the guru hoaxes because they are completely stupid and they already got the index of all their foolishness otherwise couldn’t be so stupid but krsna never forget what they done to HDG ACBSP and must suffering more because they deserve it.anyway everyone got the own rotten journey but the guru hoaxes got a super rotten journey here and it get worse when they get patala loka. Agtacbsp ys haribol
Chowaniec, Alexandra: He is still making more devotees than you, that’s what Srila Prabhupada wanted.
Mahesh: WHAT devotees???? Srila Prabhupada wanted the July 9th Ritvik 1977 Order OBEYED. Which is SPECIFIC that the initiated disciples are Srila Prabhupada’s NOT his. Atleast be HONEST. He is DEFYING Srila Prabhupada:
770719rc.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: And nobody is going to disturb you there. MAKE YOUR OWN FIELD AND CONTINUE TO BECOME RTTVIK AND ACT ON MY CHARGE. People are becoming sympathetic there. The place is very nice.
77-07-09.All Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. HIS DIVINE GRACE HAS SO FAR GIVEN A LIST OF ELEVEN DISCIPLES WHO WILL ACT IN THAT CAPACITY:
770528me.vrn Conversations
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
77-07-09.All Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, SRILA PRABHUPADA INDICATED THAT SOON HE WOULD APPOINT SOME OF HIS SENIOR DISCIPLES TO ACT AS “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives ARE NEAREST THEIR TEMPLE. AFTER CONSIDERING THE RECOMMENDATION, THESE REPRESENTATIVES MAY ACCEPT THE DEVOTEE AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA BY GIVING A SPIRITUAL NAME, OR IN THE CASE OF SECOND INITIATION, BY CHANTING ON THE GAYATRI THREAD, JUST AS SRILA PRABHUPADA HAS DONE. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, the above eleven senior devotees ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book
SB 4.5.7 S Frustration of the Sacrifice of Daksa
atha–at that time; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; yajamanah–the chief person performing the sacrifice (Daksa); sadasyah–all the persons assembled in the sacrificial arena; kakubhi udicyam–in the northern direction; prasamiksya–seeing; renum–the dust storm; tamah–darkness; kim–what; etat–this; kutah–from where; etat–this; rajah–dust; abhut–has come; iti–thus; dvijah–the brahmanas; dvija-patnyah–the wives of the brahmanas; ca–and; dadhyuh–began to speculate.
TRANSLATION
At that time, all the persons assembled in the sacrificial arena–the priests, the chief of the sacrificial performance, and the brahmanas and their wives–wondered where the darkness was coming from. Later they could understand that it was a dust storm, and all of them were full of anxiety.
SB 4.5.18 S Frustration of the Sacrifice of Daksa
sarve–all; eva–certainly; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; drstva–after seeing; sadasyah–all the members assembled in the sacrifice; sa-divaukasah–along with the demigods; taih–by those (stones); ardyamanah–being disturbed; su-bhrsam–very greatly; gravabhih–by stones; na ekadha–in different directions; adravan–began to disperse.
TRANSLATION
There was a continuous shower of stones, and all the priests and other members assembled at the sacrifice were put into immense misery. For fear of their lives, they dispersed in different directions.
SB 4.6.52 S Brahma Satisfies Lord Siva
devanam–of the demigods; bhagna-gatranam–whose limbs are badly broken; RTVIJAM–OF THE PRIESTS; ca–and; ayudha-asmabhih–by weapons and by stones; bhavata–by you; anugrhitanam–being favored; asu–at once; manyo–O Lord Siva (in an angry mood); astu–let there be; anaturam–recovery from injuries.
TRANSLATION
O Lord Siva, may the demigods and the priests whose limbs have been broken by your soldiers recover from the injuries by your grace.
SB 4.7.16 S The Sacrifice Performed by Daksa
maitreyah–the sage Maitreya; uvaca–said; ksama–forgiveness; apya–receiving; evam–thus; sah–King Daksa; midhvamsam–unto Lord Siva; brahmana–along with Lord Brahma; ca–also; anumantritah–being permitted; karma–the sacrifice; santanayam asa–began again; sa–along with; upadhyaya–learned sages; RTVIK–THE PRIESTS; adibhih–and others.
TRANSLATION
The great sage Maitreya said: Thus being pardoned by Lord Siva, King Daksa, with the permission of Lord Brahma, again began the performance of the yajna, along with the great learned sages, the priests and others.
SB 4.7.27 S The Sacrifice Performed by Daksa
RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; ucuh–began to say; tattvam–truth; na–not; te–of Your Lordship; vayam–all of us; ananjana–without material contamination; rudra–Lord Siva; sapat–by his curse; karmani–in fruitive activities; avagraha–being too much attached; dhiyah–of such intelligence; bhagavan–O Lord; vidamah–know; dharma–religion; upalaksanam–symbolized; idam–this; tri-vrt–the three departments of knowledge of the Vedas; adhvara–sacrifice; akhyam–of the name; jnatam–known to us; yat–that; artham–for the matter of; adhidaivam–for worshiping the demigods; adah–this; vyavasthah–arrangement.
TRANSLATION
The priests addressed the Lord, saying: O Lord, transcendental to material contamination, by the curse offered by Lord Siva’s men we have become attached to fruitive activities, and thus we are now fallen and therefore do not know anything about You. On the contrary, we are now involved in the injunctions of the three departments of the Vedic knowledge under the plea of executing rituals in the name of yajna. We know that You have made arrangements for distributing the respective shares of the demigods.
SB 4.7.45 S The Sacrifice Performed by Daksa
brahmanah–the brahmanas; ucuh–said; tvam–You; kratuh–sacrifice; tvam–You; havih–offering of clarified butter; tvam–You; huta-asah–fire; svayam–personified; tvam–You; hi–for; mantrah–the Vedic hymns; samit-darbha-patrani–the fuel, the kusa grass and the sacrificial pots; ca–and; tvam–You; sadasya–the members of the assembly; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; dampati–the chief person of the sacrifice and his wife; devata–demigods; agni-hotram–the sacred fire ceremony; svadha–the offering to the forefathers; somah–the soma plant; ajyam–the clarified butter; pasuh–the sacrificial animal.
TRANSLATION
The brahmanas said: Dear Lord, You are sacrifice personified. You are the offering of clarified butter, You are the fire, You are the chanting of Vedic hymns by which the sacrifice is conducted, You are the fuel, You are the flame, You are the kusa grass, and You are the sacrificial pots. You are the priests who perform the yajna, You are the demigods headed by Indra, and You are the sacrificial animal. Everything that is sacrificed is You or Your energy.
SB 4.13.26 S Description of the Descendants of Dhruva Maharaja
tam–unto King Anga; ucuh–said; vismitah–in wonder; tatra–there; yajamanam–to the institutor of the sacrifice; atha–then; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; havimsi–offerings of clarified butter; huyamanani–being offered; na–not; te–they; grhnanti–accept; devatah–the demigods.
TRANSLATION
The priests engaged in the sacrifice then informed King Anga: O King, we are properly offering the clarified butter in the sacrifice, but despite all our efforts the demigods do not accept it.
SB 4.19.27 S King Prthu’ s One Hundred Horse Sacrifices
tam–King Prthu; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; sakra-vadha–killing the King of heaven; abhisandhitam–thus preparing himself; vicaksya–having observed; duspreksyam–terrible to look at; asahya–unbearable; ramhasam–whose velocity; nivarayam asuh–they forbade; aho–oh; maha-mate–O great soul; na–not; yujyate–is worthy for you; atra–in this sacrificial arena; anya–others; vadhah–killing; pracoditat–from being so directed in the scriptures.
TRANSLATION
When the priests and all the others saw Maharaja Prthu very angry and prepared to kill Indra, they requested him: O great soul, do not kill him, for only sacrificial animals can be killed in a sacrifice. Such are the directions given by sastra.
SB 4.19.29 S King Prthu’ s One Hundred Horse Sacrifices
iti–thus; amantrya–after informing; kratu-patim–King Prthu, the master of the sacrifice; vidura–O Vidura; asya–of Prthu; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; rusa–in great anger; sruk-hastan–with the sacrificial ladle in hand; juhvatah–performing the fire sacrifice; abhyetya–having begun; svayambhuh–Lord Brahma; pratyasedhata–asked them to stop.
TRANSLATION
My dear Vidura, after giving the King this advice, the priests who had been engaged in performing the sacrifice called for Indra, the King of heaven, in a mood of great anger. When they were just ready to put the oblation in the fire, Lord Brahma appeared on the scene and forbade them to start the sacrifice.
SB 5.3.2 S Rsabhadeva’ s Appearance in the Womb of Merudevi, the Wife of King Nabhi
tasya–when he (Nabhi); ha vava–certainly; sraddhaya–with great faith and devotion; visuddha-bhavena–with a pure, uncontaminated mind; yajatah–was worshiping; pravargyesu–while the fruitive activities called pravargya; pracaratsu–were being performed; dravya–the ingredients; desa–place; kala–time; mantra–hymns; RTVIK–PRIESTS CONDUCTING THE CEREMONY; daksina–gifts to the priests; vidhana–regulative principles; yoga–and of the means; upapattya–by the performance; duradhigamah–not obtainable; api–although; bhagavan–the Supreme Personality of Godhead; bhagavata-vatsalyataya–because of His being very affectionate to His devotee; su-pratikah–possessing a very beautiful form; atmanam–Himself; aparajitam–not to be conquered by anyone; nija-jana–of His devotee; abhipreta-artha–the desire; vidhitsaya–to fulfill; grhita-hrdayah–His heart being attracted; hrdayangamam–captivating; manah-nayana-anandana–pleasing to the mind and eyes; avayava–by the limbs; abhiramam–beautiful; aviscakara–manifested.
TRANSLATION
In the performance of a sacrifice, there are seven transcendental means to obtain the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead: (1) by sacrificing valuable things or eatables, (2) by acting in terms of place, (3) by acting in terms of time, (4) by offering hymns, (5) by going through the priest, (6) by offering gifts to the priests and (7) by observing the regulative principles. However, one cannot always obtain the Supreme Lord through this paraphernalia. Nonetheless, the Lord is affectionate to His devotee; therefore when Maharaja Nabhi, who was a devotee, worshiped and offered prayers to the Lord with great faith and devotion and with a pure uncontaminated mind, superficially performing some yajna in the line of pravargya, the kind Supreme Personality of Godhead, due to His affection for His devotees, appeared before King Nabhi in His unconquerable and captivating form with four hands. In this way, to fulfill the desire of His devotee, the Supreme Personality of Godhead manifested Himself in His beautiful body before His devotee. This body pleases the mind and eyes of the devotees.
SB 5.3.3 S Rsabhadeva’ s Appearance in the Womb of Merudevi, the Wife of King Nabhi
atha–thereafter; ha–certainly; tam–Him; aviskrta-bhuja-yugala-dvayam–who manifested Himself with four arms; hiranmayam–very bright; purusa-visesam–the topmost of all living beings, Purusottama; kapisa-kauseya-ambara-dharam–wearing a yellow silk garment; urasi–on the chest; vilasat–beautiful; srivatsa–called Srivatsa; lalamam–possessing the mark; dara-vara–by a conchshell; vana-ruha–lotus flower; vana-mala–garland of forest flowers; acchuri–disc; amrta-mani–the Kaustubha gem; gada-adibhih–and by a club and other symbols; upalaksitam–symptomized; sphuta-kirana–radiant; pravara–excellent; mukuta–helmet; kundala–earrings; kataka–bracelets; kati-sutra–girdle; hara–necklace; keyura–armlets; nupura–ankle bells; adi–and so on; anga–of the body; bhusana–with ornaments; vibhusitam–decorated; RTVIK–THE PRIESTS; sadasya–associates; grha-patayah–and King Nabhi; adhanah–poor persons; iva–like; uttama-dhanam–a great treasure; upalabhya–having achieved; sa-bahu-manam–with great regard; arhanena–with ingredients for worship; avanata–bent; sirsanah–their heads; upatasthuh–worshiped.
TRANSLATION
Lord Visnu appeared before King Nabhi with four arms. He was very bright, and He appeared to be the best of all personalities. Around the lower portion of His body, He wore a yellow silken garment. On His chest was the mark of Srivatsa, which always displays beauty. He carried a conchshell, lotus flower, disc and club, and He wore a garland of forest flowers and the Kaustubha gem. He was beautifully decorated with a helmet, earrings, bangles, belt, pearl necklace, armlets, ankle bells and other bodily ornaments bedecked with radiant jewels. Seeing the Lord present before them, King Nabhi and his priests and associates felt just like poor people who have suddenly attained great riches. They received the Lord and respectfully bent their heads and offered Him things in worship.
SB 5.3.4-5 S Rsabhadeva’ s Appearance in the Womb of Merudevi, the Wife of King Nabhi
RTVIJAH UCUH–THE PRIESTS SAID; arhasi–please (accept); muhuh–again and again; arhat-tama–O most exalted, worshipable person; arhanam–offering of worship; asmakam–of us; anupathanam–who are Your servants; namah–respectful obeisances; namah–respectful obeisances; iti–thus; etavat–so far; sat–by exalted personalities; upasiksitam–instructed; kah–what; arhati–is able (to make); puman–man; prakrti–of material nature; guna–of the modes; vyatikara–in the transformations; matih–whose mind (is absorbed); anisah–who is most incapable; isvarasya–of the Supreme Personality of Godhead; parasya–beyond; prakrti-purusayoh–the jurisdiction of the three modes of material nature; arvaktanabhih–which do not reach up to, or which are of this material world; nama-rupa-akrtibhih–by names, forms and qualities; rupa–of Your nature or position; nirupanam–ascertainment, perception; sakala–all; jana-nikaya–of mankind; vrjina–sinful actions; nirasana–which wipe out; sivatama–most auspicious; pravara–excellent; guna-gana–of the transcendental qualities; eka-desa–one part; kathanat–by speaking; rte—except.
SB 5.4.17 S The Characteristics of Rsabhadeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead
dravya–the ingredients for performing yajna; desa–the particular place, a holy place or a temple; kala–the suitable time, such as springtime; vayah–the age, especially youth; sraddha–faith in goodness, not in passion and ignorance; RTVIK–THE PRIESTS; vividha-uddesa–worshiping different demigods for different purposes; upacitaih–enriched by; sarvaih–all kinds of; api–certainly; kratubhih–by sacrificial ceremonies; yatha-upadesam–according to the instruction; sata-krtvah–one hundred times; iyaja–He worshiped.
TRANSLATION
Lord Rsabhadeva performed all kinds of sacrifices one hundred times according to the instructions of the Vedic literatures. Thus He satisfied Lord Visnu in every respect. All the rituals were enriched by first-class ingredients. They were executed in holy places according to the proper time by priests who were all young and faithful. In this way Lord Visnu was worshiped, and the prasada was offered to all the demigods. Thus the functions and festivals were all successful.
SB 8.16.53 S Executing the Payo-vrata Process of Worship
acaryam–the spiritual master; jnana-sampannam–very advanced in spiritual knowledge; vastra-abharana-dhenubhih–with clothing, ornaments and many cows; tosayet–should satisfy; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS RECOMMENDED BY THE SPIRITUAL MASTER; ca eva–as well as; tat viddhi–try to understand that; aradhanam–worship; hareh–of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
TRANSLATION
One should satisfy the spiritual master [acarya], who is very learned in Vedic literature, and should satisfy his assistant priests [known as hota, udgata, adhvaryu and brahma]. One should please them by offering them clothing, ornaments and cows. This is the ceremony called visnu-aradhana, or worship of Lord Visnu.
SB 8.16.55 S Executing the Payo-vrata Process of Worship
daksinam–some contribution of money or gold; gurave–unto the spiritual master; dadyat–one should give; RTVIGBHYAH CA–and to the priests engaged by the spiritual master; yatha-arhatah–as far as possible; anna-adyena–by distributing prasada; asva-pakan–even to the candalas, persons habituated to eating the flesh of dogs; ca–also; prinayet–one should please; samupagatan–because they have assembled there for the ceremony.
TRANSLATION
One should satisfy the spiritual master and assistant priests by giving them cloth, ornaments, cows and also some monetary contribution. And by distributing prasada one should satisfy everyone assembled, including even the lowest of men, the candalas [eaters of dog flesh].
SB 8.18.22 S Lord Vamanadeva, the Dwarf Incarnation
te–all of them; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; yajamanah–as well as Bali Maharaja, who had engaged them in performing the yajna; sadasyah–all the members of the assembly; hata-tvisah–decreased in their bodily effulgence; vamana-tejasa–by the brilliant effulgence of Lord Vamana; nrpa–O King; suryah–the sun; kila–whether; ayati–is coming; uta va–either; vibhavasuh–the fire-god; sanat-kumarah–the Kumara known as Sanat-kumara; atha–either; didrksaya–with a desire to observe; kratoh–the sacrificial ceremony.
TRANSLATION
O King, because of Vamanadeva’s bright effulgence, the priests, along with Bali Maharaja and all the members of the assembly, were robbed of their splendor. Thus they began to ask one another whether the sun-god himself, Sanat-kumara or the fire-god had personally come to see the sacrificial ceremony.
SB 9.4.23 S Ambarisa Maharaja Offended by Durvasa Muni
yasya–of whom (Maharaja Ambarisa); kratusu–in sacrifices (performed by him); girvanaih–with the demigods; sadasyah–members for executing the sacrifice; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; janah–and other expert men; tulya-rupah–appearing exactly like; ca–and; animisah–with unblinking eyes like those of the demigods; vyadrsyanta–being seen; su-vasasah–well dressed with valuable garments.
TRANSLATION
In the sacrifice arranged by Maharaja Ambarisa, the members of the assembly and the priests [especially hota, udgata, brahma and adhvaryu] were gorgeously dressed, and they all looked exactly like demigods. They eagerly saw to the proper performance of the yajna.
SB 9.6.35-36 S The Downfall of Saubhari Muni
ije–he worshiped; ca–also; yajnam–the Lord of sacrifices; kratubhih–by great ritualistic performances; atma-vit–fully conscious by self-realization; bhuri-daksinaih–by giving large contributions to the brahmanas; sarva-deva-mayam–consisting of all the demigods; devam–the Lord; sarva-atmakam–the Supersoul of everyone; ati-indriyam–transcendentally situated; dravyam–ingredients; mantrah–chanting of the Vedic hymns; vidhih–regulative principles; yajnah–worshiping; yajamanah–the performer; tatha–with; RTVIJAH–THE PRIESTS; dharmah–religious principles; desah–the country; ca–and; kalah–the time; ca–also; sarvam–everything; etat–all these; yat–that which is; atmakam–favorable for self-realization.
TRANSLATION
The Supreme Personality of Godhead is not different from the auspicious aspects of great sacrifices, such as the ingredients of the sacrifice, the chanting of Vedic hymns, the regulative principles, the performer, the priests, the result of the sacrifice, the arena of sacrifice, and the time of sacrifice. Knowing the principles of self-realization, Mandhata worshiped that transcendentally situated Supreme Soul, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu, who comprises all the demigods. He also gave immense charity to the brahmanas, and thus he performed yajna to worship the Lord.
SB 9.13.3 S The Dynasty of Maharaja Nimi
nimih–Maharaja Nimi; calam–flickering, subject to end at any moment; idam–this (life); vidvan–being completely aware of this fact; satram–the sacrifice; arabhata–inaugurated; atmavan–self-realized person; RTVIGBHIH–BY PRIESTS; aparaih–other than Vasistha; tavat–for the time being; na–not; agamat–returned; yavata–so long; guruh–his spiritual master (Vasistha).
TRANSLATION
Maharaja Nimi, being a self-realized soul, considered that this life is flickering. Therefore, instead of waiting long for Vasistha, he began performing the sacrifice with other priests.
77-07-09.All Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION.
770528me.vrn Conversations
Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, we were all asked by the rest of the GBC to come to ask some questions. Most… These are the members of the original GBC as you first made it up. So our first question is about the GBC members. We want to know how long should they remain in office?
Prabhupada: They should remain for good.
Tamala Krsna: They should remain for good.
Prabhupada: Selected men are chosen, so they cannot be changed. Rather, if some competent man comes, he should be added. I shall recommend that Vasudeva become one of the GBC.
Tamala Krsna: Vasudeva is Deoji Punja. He’s the founder of our… He’s building the temple in Fiji.
Prabhupada: How many GBC’s are there already?
Tamala Krsna: Twenty-three.
Prabhupada: So add him. GBC is not to be changed.
Satsvarupa: But then, in the event that some present GBC member leaves, either leaves…
Prabhupada: Another should be elected.
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the…
Prabhupada: He’s guru. He’s guru.
Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order… Amara ajnaya guru hana. Be actually guru, but by my order.
Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?
Tamala Krsna: No, he’s asking that these rtvik-acaryas, they’re officiating, giving diksa. Their… The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they?
Prabhupada: They’re his disciple.
Tamala Krsna: They’re his disciple.
Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple.
Satsvarupa: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: That’s clear.
Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer…
Prabhupada: When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it
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The Ritvik System July 9th 1977 Order is set out by Srila Prabhupada of how he wanted this continued: Srila Prabhupada stated specifically in his WILL:..”PROVIDED THE NEW DIRECTOR is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books”
“The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, PROVIDED THE NEW DIRECTOR is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) exeutive directors acting at one time.”
Note: if they do not follow the WILL then HOW will they continue in future????
They can NOT disregard the WILL which clearly states: PROVIDED THE NEW DIRECTOR is MY INITIATED DISCIPLE following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books.
Note: Ritvik System is a System of management:… “THE SYSTEM OF MANAGEMENT WILL CONTINUE AS IT IS NOW AND THERE IS NO NEED OF ANY CHANGE. ”
2. Each temple will be an ISKCON property and will be managed by three executive directors. THE SYSTEM OF MANAGEMENT WILL CONTINUE AS IT IS NOW AND THERE IS NO NEED OF ANY CHANGE.
771008r2.vrn Conversations
Prabhupada: Don’t fight amongst yourselves. I HAVE GIVEN THE EXPLANATION, MY WILL. EXECUTE LIKE THAT.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
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Further readings:
ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
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WHEN I order
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46581
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
You cannot allow one side to force their beliefs upon the other. IsKcon or for that matter any organisation, enterprise or goverment can ONLY function when everyone benefits. As Lincoln said, united we stand, divided we fall. Unfortunately as seen in history the decline always starts which a few hands in the cookie jar.
Besides, if the goals of the management of Iskcon would really be the same goals that Srila Prabhupada had for Iskcon they wouldn’t need the veil of secrecy, would they?
ONLY SRILA PRABHUPADA IS THE GOLD STANDARD.
Let’s put it this way, conditioned souls posing as Gurus take the sinful karma of the souls they initiate. Since they are not pure devotees they don’t have the power to burn the sins of their followers, only a Pure Devotee like Jesus or Srila Prabhupada can do that. So, they take the sinful reactions of our backs and they have to suffer them. I appreciate that a lot, thanks.
The first time Hamsaduta das took some of our sins by initiating us, than Tamal took a second serving of karmic reactions by reinitiating us, WOW!!! Thank You Lord if that’s not hitting the jackpot. PLEASE, anybody else out there who wants to have a third serving?
Ever since these two have vacuumed up most of our sinful reactions life has been a ball and it is only getting better. Thanks guys!
Are we indebted to You Two for that? Nope, at the tender age of 20 plus we collected millions of Philippino Pesos and gave it ALL for the Manila and Cebu Temple. Unfortunately both have dissolved into thin air and the Cebu Temple, a beautiful place outside the city was sold to a Chinese and has his factory on the property now.
No hard feelings though, on the contrary without you guys having vacuumed up our sinful reactions we wouldn’t happily be at where we are now, thanks again.
It shows that the material world is temporary. Buildings, relationships and bodies exist temporarily for a certain time and the only thing we can carry with us at the end of this lifetime is knowledge of Kṛṣṇa and the Chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare – Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.
A lot learned, still a long way to go, but getting warmer…
Chowaniec, Alexandra: He is still making more devotees than you, that’s what Srila Prabhupada wanted.
Mahesh: QUALITY not quantity counts. What is the QUALITY value of these “devotees” if they do not even understand the MOST basic: that ONLY Maha-Bhagavat is Diksa Guru—- and Jayapataka who everyone practically KNOWS is a CONDITIONED soul AND THEREFORE—– NOT A DIKSA GURU:
Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
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Note:QUALITY, NOT THE QUANTITY
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Prabhupada: Many? What you…? Many followers…. The philosophy you present, it must be followed by everyone. That is wanted. YOU HAVE GOT, SAY, TEN THOUSAND FOLLOWERS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN SUCCESS. Everyone has got some followers. This…. What is that? Guruji Maharaja. He has got also so-called followers. The T.M., he has got also some followers. Everyone has got some followers. BUT WHAT KIND OF FOLLOWERS THEY HAVE? THAT IS QUALITY. EVERYTHING HAS QUALITY. SIMPLY QUANTITY IS NOT. THERE ARE MANY CHRISTIANS. EVEN UP TO DATE, SOME CHRISTIAN FAIR OR…. MANY MILLIONS WILL COME. WHAT IS THE QUALITY? QUALITY IS ALL MEAT-EATER. BUT CHRISTIAN MEANS HE SHOULD NOT KILL. WHERE IS THE CHRISTIAN? SO WE HAVE TO TEST BY THE QUALITY, FOLLOWERS. NOT MANY FOLLOWERS, THE QUALITY OF THE FOLLOWERS. MY GURU MAHARAJA USED TO SAY LIKE THAT, THAT “IF I GET AT LEAST ONE QUALITY DISCIPLE, THEN ALL MY LABOR WILL BE SUCCESS.” HE WAS SAYING LIKE THAT: QUALITY, NOT THE QUANTITY. By quantity if one is amazed, then he is also goru. By quality–what kind of followers? That is the…. From the very beginning my strictures are there, that “You have to follow this”–quality. If I were…, “No, you can do like Vivekananda. Yes, what you can, whatever you like,” then I think quantity would have been very, very big. But I don’t say. I make him promise before the fire, before the Deity, before guru. (break) That one moon is taken into account. Who takes account of the millions of stars? Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasah. Quality. So we should be quality devotee, not quantity devotee.