Knowledge of Kṛṣṇa is such a great Gift that it is impossible to repay the Benefactor
Pṛthu Mahārāja continued: How can such persons, who have rendered unlimited service by explaining the path of self-realization in relation to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and whose explanations are given for our enlightenment with complete conviction and Vedic evidence, be repaid except by folded palms containing water for their satisfaction? Such great personalities can be satisfied only by their own activities, which are distributed amongst human society out of their unlimited mercy.
Great personalities of the material world are very eager to render welfare service to human society, but actually no one can render better service than one who distributes the knowledge of spiritual realization in relation with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. All living entities are within the clutches of the illusory energy. Forgetting their real identity, they hover in material existence, transmigrating from one body to another in search of a peaceful life. Since these living entities have very little knowledge of self-realization, they are not getting any relief, although they are very anxious to attain peace of mind and some substantial happiness.
Saintly persons like the Kumāras, Nārada, Prahlāda, Janaka, Śukadeva Gosvāmī and Kapiladeva, as well as the followers of such authorities as the Vaiṣṇava ācāryas and their servants, can render a valuable service to humanity by disseminating knowledge of the relationship between the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the living entity. Such knowledge is the perfect benediction for humanity.
Knowledge of Kṛṣṇa is such a great gift that it is impossible to repay the benefactor. Therefore Pṛthu Mahārāja requested the Kumāras to be satisfied by their own benevolent activities in delivering souls from the clutches of māyā. The King saw that there was no other way to satisfy them for their exalted activities.
The word vinoda-pātram can be divided into two words, vinā and uda-pātram, or can be understood as one word, vinoda-pātram, which means “joker.” A joker’s activities simply arouse laughter, and a person who tries to repay the spiritual master or teacher of the transcendental message of Kṛṣṇa becomes a laughingstock just like a joker because it is not possible to repay such a debt. The best friend and benefactor of all people is one who awakens humanity to its original Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Fourth Canto, Twenty-second Chapter, Text 47 of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam,entitled “Pṛthu Mahārāja’s Meeting With the Four Kumāras.”
HARE KRSNA , the gift of knowledge to someone is giving internally by the SUPERSOUL and externally by the acharyas but to get this gift takes many lives that’s when one get determined in krsna consciousness because almost all the sinful activities got burned by the fire of knowledge. this debt can be repay only by never leaving krsna consciousness ,then all the knowledge is within the MMHK I mean more one hear the holy name and more one do spiritual advancement through PUJANA SAKHIJANA ATMA NIVEDANA because only when one is completely surrender to SSGG one get free from all the debts to demigod to krsna etc…therefore the holy name is CINTAMANI THE REAL GEMSTONE that can make us eternally free from any debit.agtacbsp ys haribol
QUOTE : ” The best friend and benefactor of all people is one who awakens humanity to its original Kṛṣṇa consciousness.”
lava-mātra — even for a moment; sādhu-saṅge — by association with a devotee
‘sādhu-saṅga’, ‘sādhu-saṅga’ — sarva-śāstre kaya
lava-mātra sādhu-saṅge sarva-siddhi haya
sādhu-saṅga sādhu-saṅga — association with pure devotees; sarva-śāstre — all the revealed scriptures; kaya— say; lava-mātra — even for a moment; sādhu-saṅge — by association with a devotee; sarva-siddhi — all success; haya — there is
“The verdict of all revealed scriptures is that by even a moment’s association with a pure devotee, one can attain all success”
According to astronomical calculations, a lava is one eleventh of a second.
https://vedabase.io/en/library/cc/madhya/22/54/
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Narada Muni story from Bhagavata Kathamrta
Mahārāja Ambarīṣa had a brother who was very very sinful. Ambarīṣa
tried to preach to him, but with no success. So he asked Narada Muni to preach to his brother. Narada did not want to, but finally he reluctantly agreed.
When Narada came to see the sinful Raja, he was first greeted with respect, but upon hearing preaching words of Narada Muni, Raja started to scream and to throw wine’s bottles at Narada. So Narada had to escape, but from a distance he shouted to Papa-Raja (sinful king) “When you will be in front of Yamaraj (lord of death ), just ask him this one question –
“What is the result of having sadhu sanga for a lava-matra (a moment’s association with a pure devotee of God)”?
After death, Papa-Raja was certainly taken to Yamaraja’s court. Upon hearing from Citragupta about sins committed by Papa-raja, Yamaraja felt compassion and he said – “You will certainly be thrown to hell for an eternity, but I can fulfill your last request now, what do you want”?
Hearing such words, Papa – raja recollected Narada’s advice and said – “Could you tell me what is the result of having sadhu sanga for lava matra”?
Yamaraj became amazed. He said – “I’m sorry, but here we deal with sinners, not with sadhus, so i don’t know the answer, but since I’ve promised to fulfill your last desire, I’ll take you to Lord Brahma and he will answer your question.
And so they flew to Brahmaloka. Upon hearing such an elevated question, Lord Brahma said – “I’m sorry, I am too busy with my creation, and pure sadhus are not subject to the rules of my creation. You’ll have to go to see Lord Siva.”
When they arrived on Lord Siva’s planet, Siva, after hearing what was the matter, said – “How can I answer such question?, I am too busy with such ghastly creatures who follow me, I do not deal with sadhus, you will have to ask Lord Narayana himself.”
After that, they approached Lord Narayana in Vaikuntha. Hearing such a nice question the Lord smiled and said – “The result is — that one is delivered to Vaikuntha by all means. And because you have already brought him here, he will stay, and you my dear servants, can go back to do your duties. Thank you.”
Such is a result of lava matra sadhu sanga.
Thank you mataji, wonderful narration.
Srila Prabhupada gave the example that if a person is electrocuted and you touch them, the current will also electrocute you…
Similarly if a fortunate jiva comes in touch with the Maha Bhagavata prabhu, they will immediately be electrocuted with the spiritual potency. (SB class).
Ys,
Balarām das
Madhya 22.54 T The Process of Devotional Service
‘sadhu-sanga’, ‘sadhu-sanga’—-sarva-sastre kaya
lava-matra sadhu-sange sarva-siddhi haya
SYNONYMS
sadhu-sanga sadhu-sanga–association with pure devotees; sarva-sastre–all the revealed scriptures; kaya–say; lava-matra–even for a moment; sadhu-sange–by association with a devotee; sarva-siddhi–all success; haya–there is.
TRANSLATION
“The verdict of all revealed scriptures is that by even a moment’s association with a pure devotee, one can attain all success.
760311mw.may Conversations
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Acaryopasanam. That is in the Bhagavad-gita. Acaryopasanam. It is not self-aggrandizement. The acaryopasana goes to Krsna directly. Therefore it is needed. Not that it is a pompous thing. Acaryopasana. Krsna says. That is the way of knowledge. Yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau.
Pancadravida: HOW DOES THAT WORK, THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS THE ASSOCIATION OF A PURE DEVOTEE FOR ONLY A LAVA, ONE-ELEVENTH OF A SECOND, THAT HE ATTAINS ALL PERFECTION?
Prabhupada: IF HE IS SO SINCERE…. JUST LIKE DRIED WOOD IMMEDIATELY IGNITES. AND IF IT IS MOIST, IT DOES NOT. IT IS THE QUALITY OF THE WOOD. ONE TAKES THREE HUNDRED YEARS; ONE IN THREE MINUTES. THAT’S IT. (BREAK) ONE IS DRY FROM THE MATERIAL MOIST OF CONTAMINATION, HE BECOMES IMMEDIATELY IGNITED IN SPIRITUAL…
Tamala Krsna: What is that drying process?
Prabhupada: Drying process is for many, many years one has tried to become Krsna conscious, for many, many lives, bahunam janmanam ante. When he actually becomes man of knowledge he surrenders unto God. Otherwise he is lost. His drying process may take three minute or three millions years.
Guru-krpa: But that knowledge that Krsna is everything comes by Krsna’s mercy, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Krsna’s mercy is already there, but if you are not able to take it…
Pancadravida: Then you don’t even have to hear from a self-realized soul. Simply by seeing him you can become completely purified.
Prabhupada: Yes. Both required. The matches must be also all right, and the wood must be also. Then there is fire. If one of them is defective, then, it will not…. But when you go to the fire, you become dry. But willfully we put again water. This nonsense business makes us late. This process is already there, how to become dry. But instead of taking the process, we put water. Then how it will be ignited? THE RULES AND REGULATIONS IS THE DRYING PROCESS. BUT WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATION, IF YOU AGAIN BECOME A VICTIMIZED BY MAYA, THEN THERE IS WATER AND AGAIN DRY IT. SO THIS IS GOING ON, WATERING AND DRYING, WATERING AND DRYING. NO STAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS FOR DRYING. THAT WILL HELP. BUT DIFFICULTY IS THAT WE DRY AND AGAIN WATER.
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Himāvatī: In that same connection, the story of Ṭhākura Haridāsa and the harlot, that she began to chant and told him the reason that she was a prostitute, she was no good, and simply by that association she began to chant, or by previous association . . .
Prabhupāda: No, by association. By the influence of Haridāsa Ṭhākura. For three days, three days she associated.
Himāvatī: But Professor Sanyal was putting forward his theory that in previous lives she had had association, therefore she began to chant.
Prabhupāda: Why previous lives? That’s not very good reason.
Himāvatī: Subconscious, that she had subconsciously remembered.
Prabhupāda: No. No, no. That is not.
Himāvatī: In one of the Back to Godhead magazines, he wrote in some book.
Prabhupāda: That is not. He advocates that. Direct association with Haridāsa Ṭhākura. Why previously?
Himāvatī: (indistinct) . . . he wants to say that previously she had done some chanting, therefore . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: We don’t find any such thing. Professor Sanyal was not very much advanced. He committed so many blunders.
Himāvatī: You heard about that article?
Prabhupāda: No.
Himāvatī: That was the one that . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Well, if that sort of remark is given, it is not against the śāstra, but it was not necessarily previously. His direct association. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,
sādhu saṅga sādhu saṅga sarva śāstra kaya
lava mātra sādhu saṅge sarva siddhi haya
(CC Madhya 22.54)
“Even a moment’s association with a pure devotee—all success.” Not necessarily that one has to acquire it previous. No. Generally it is so, but sādhu sanga has got its effect. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, lavamatra sādhu sanga sarva siddhi haya. You have not read in the Sanātana-śikṣā in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya?
Revatīnandana: Does that also apply to reading the words of a pure devotee?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Revatīnandana: Even a little association with your books has the same effect?
Prabhupāda: Effect, of course, it requires both the things. One must be very eager to take it. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit heard Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and there are so many others, they are also reading Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So Mahārāja Parīkṣit was very serious. So both things should be serious. Just like the example: the husband and wife must be potent; then there is pregnancy. Otherwise there is no pregnancy. So sowing the seed, the field also must be fertile, or receptible, then the seed will fructify. It is reciprocal.
Revatīnandana: But if the seed starts to sprout and it lacks sufficient facilities, then it will die completely.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Revatīnandana: But if a spiritual seed starts to sprout, then whatever sprout is made is never lost. Right?
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is not lost, but it is checked. Sometimes he is checked.
Revatīnandana: Because the tendency to revive again.
Prabhupāda: In that way again one has to . . . that brings the question of previous life. One was advanced so much; it was checked by some reason; he again begins from that point. Just like Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura. Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura was advanced in his previous life up to bhava-bhakti.
Somehow or other, it was checked. But as soon as he heard the words from the prostitute, “Oh, you are so much after the flesh and similar, and bones and skin. If you had been so much eager for Kṛṣṇa, how you would have been disposed,” immediately he came to that point and immediately left. I’ll take . . . (devotees offer obeisances)
HARE KRSNA, that’s true lava matra sadhu sange sarva siddhi hoy but as we can see many people associate with SRILA PRABHUPADA BUT THEY DID NOT GET ANY PERFECTION because that association with SRILA PRABHUPADA in a fraction of a second is only for the YASYA DEVE PARA BHAKTI YATHA DEVE TATHA GURU ….PRAKASANTE MAHATMAMANAH for those devotees who got strong faith in guru and krsna all the secrets of the holy scriptures get fully revealed, I mean is not for everyone but for pious people only.so we can get all the perfections in a lava matra not fake guru and fake disciples, there’s not room for them left in our PARAMPARA SYSTEM. they are out from our iskcon while one must stay in the real iskcon then all the perfections get granted because one is free from whatever is fake…..agtacbsp ys haribol
acsd says: so we can get all the perfections in a lava matra not fake guru and fake disciples, there’s not room for them left in our PARAMPARA SYSTEM.
Mahesh: yes! very true, the bogus Anti Ritvik gurus and their so-called disciples have their destiny:
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
Isopanisad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. BECAUSE THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT, THEY ESCAPE PUNISHMENT BY THE LAW OF THE STATE. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.