The Acharya-Sampradaya methodology

Srila Prabhupada

Dear Prabhu’s.
Please accept my humble obeisances.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

In answer to SDG questions from dandavatas.com I had this text saved from Srimad Bhagavtam 10.2.31 which clearly expresses Srila Prabhupada’s directives for Future Devotees after He is no longer with us. Very elaborately explained and clear as day with no anomalies and paradoxes and with clear intent for Candidates and Devotees in the Future after Srila Prabhupada has Disappeared.

Hope you enjoy the read. I think its clearer than July 9 letter concerning the Future and with a clear vision of how it were to continue after Srila Prabhupada is no longer with us, which the July 9th letter did not include. Hope the attachment works!!

your servant,
Dusyanta dasa from Wales.

Srila Prabhupada’s: The Acharya-Sampradaya methodology.

“The question is sometimes asked, “Are we limiting Srila Prabhupada in saying that he cannot initiate followers after his disappearance?” But that’s not the real discussion. The question more is, “Did Srila Prabhupada teach in his books, lectures, or letters, that the ritvik system was what he wanted to establish after his disappearance?””

Excerpted from an article by H.H. Satsvarupa dasa Goswami on dandavats.com 22.07.2024.

In response and in answer to SDG questions he poses in his article there are several threads we can follow. Are we limiting Srila Prabhupada, and what are Srila Prabhupada’s teachings from His Books, lectures and letters, (and His Conversations). These two questions are aimed at what He wanted in the Future after His disappearance. Now another principle can also be posed within this discussion which is, why has the question concerning Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance been answered in a physically present Successional system by the GBC. The questions that the 1977 GBC were answering in the Zonal Acharya announcement of March 1978 at Mayapur were ones of Succession and Replacement. So, the question related to that is, why? And ever since this 1978 announcement, the whole debate has been about surrounding this question.

Within the questions that SDG has posed for us we find it is the same styled type of question. Either the questions are related to the physically present Diksha Guru theory (I call it a Theory because I don’t think it has been proven), or it is related to the Ritvik question. Why not ask exactly the same question but omit the Ritvik question, so now the question becomes, “Did Srila Prabhupada teach in His Books, lectures, or letters what He wanted to establish after His disappearance?” And was it the system as approved of by the GBC in 1978, and today?

So today I have had to respond in the form of this article because the allowed 2000 characters in a response comment box on dandavats.com is nowhere near enough to answer this question with respect and justice to SDG article, which is intense and lengthy.

As a lifelong Sceptic, and I mean that in the classical sense, not as a cynic but as a questioner, I question the original Zonal Acharya system, which I think has already been debunked, but also the concept of an exclusive pre-conceptualized Physically present Diksha Guru theory, that is present today.

Within the Srimad Bhagavatam there is the teaching of an alternative system called the “Acharya-sampradaya” methodology. I have never heard anyone in 45 years in Iskcon ever mention this system of the methodology for FUTURE devotees, devotees who will never have the chance of meeting Srila Prabhupada physically, which began on day 1 after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance in November 1977. And this is the question I think SDG is addressing, which I am attempting to answer.

“Thus, it is the duty of the ācārya to publish books that will help future candidates take up the method of service and become eligible to return home, back to Godhead, by the mercy of the Lord. In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, this same path is being prescribed and followed.”

Excerpted from Srimad Bhagavatam purport by Srila Prabhupada 10.2.31. My emphasis added.

Immediately, this purport evidence from Srila Prabhupada raises answers that many devotees have been searching for throughout their devotional service. We have had the GBC’s answers, with the pre-conceptualized physically present diksha guru theory almost thrust upon us that many devotees were not comfortable with, and also we have had the Ritvik-vada presented out of thin air, or so it seemed, with only The Final Order as any sort of published evidence, which only gathered momentum as time went by with more global debate. So now I am presenting a fresh new approach by illustrating from Srila Prabhupada’s Books directly what He wrote about for the Future candidates AND for the time AFTER He is no longer with us physically, as an answer to SDG questions.

Thus, we get a hint here of the methodology that Srila Prabhupada describes in this purport of the text 10.2.31. It’s interesting that Srila Prabhupada affirms that this same path of methodology is being prescribed and followed in OUR Krishna Consciousness movement. Here, I am translating that phrase as “Iskcon”. I don’t know what other movement exists as OUR Krishna Consciousness Movement. And I don’t know why the statement of intent called “Acharya-Sampradaya” is not familiar and banded about as common knowledge in Iskcon. Srila Prabhupada emphasises this methodology is prescribed and followed. So, who is following this, and why is it not popularly accepted and spoken about daily. This is a very important principle of methodology that we should all know about as Iskcon devotees and how it is followed. If we don’t know about this methodology how on earth can we follow it, and why are we not following it, and if we are why has nobody acknowledged this as common knowledge????? in all the 46years since Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, and throughout all those Guru Tattva debates, papers and Magazines. Why have the words “acharya-sampradaya” not become popularized in Iskcon and used as a daily word reference like “greeting of the Deities” and “Guru Puja” and “mangala Arati” and so on if we have been Instructed by Srila Prabhupada here in this 10.2.31 text that it is prescribed and followed.

(I have conducted a straw Poll amongst devotees living locally here in West Wales and NOT ONE devotee knew anything about this methodology and the phrase “acharya-sampradaya” , in fact most devotees looked in their faces bewildered, and wanted to know more.)

On to the text as it is, in Srimad Bhagavatam. I am only providing all of this in answer to SDG questions he has posed to the devotees in his published article “How all generations can stay with Srila Prabhupada”, and in the section called “Ritvik- a pragmatic approach?” that is found on dandavats.com. (22.07.24) So, SDG has posed some questions for us to answer. Some of the questions may be rhetoric but there is substance behind them. And what I am saying is firstly there are quite a few gems of Texts in Srila Prabhupada’s Books that relate to SDG questions. This text from Srimad Bhagavatam being one of them.

What makes this even more plausible for FUTURE candidates is that Lord Krishna HIMSELF accepts this methodology. So, we find the combination of the Acharya, Srila Prabhupada, and Lord Krishna both accept this methodology. And this methodology is specifically “left behind” after the disappearance of the Acharya for the future candidates. This methodology is specifically directed towards the Acharyas, so they publish BOOKS to help FUTURE candidates.

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Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31 :

O Lord, who resembles the shining sun, You are always ready to fulfil the desire of Your devotee, and therefore You are known as a desire tree [vāñchā-kalpataru]. When ācāryas completely take shelter under Your lotus feet in order to cross the fierce ocean of nescience, they leave behind on earth the method by which they cross, and because You are very merciful to Your other devotees, You accept this method to help them.

PURPORT

This statement reveals how the merciful ācāryas and the merciful Supreme Personality of Godhead together help the serious devotee who wants to return home, back to Godhead. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, in His teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī, said:

brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva
guru-kṛṣṇa-prasāde pāya bhakti-latā-bīja
(Cc. Madhya 19.151)

One can achieve the seed of bhakti-latā, devotional service, by the mercy of guru and Kṛṣṇa. The duty of the guru is to find the means, according to the time, the circumstances and the candidate, by which one can be induced to render devotional service, which Kṛṣṇa accepts from a candidate who wants to be successful in going back home, back to Godhead. After wandering throughout the universe, a fortunate person within this material world seeks shelter of such a guru, or ācārya, who trains the devotee in the suitable ways to render service according to the circumstances so that the Supreme Personality of Godhead will accept the service. This makes it easier for the candidate to reach the ultimate destination. The ācārya’s duty, therefore, is to find the means by which devotees may render service according to references from śāstra. Rūpa Gosvāmī, for example, in order to help subsequent devotees, published such devotional books as Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu. Thus it is the duty of the ācārya to publish books that will help future candidates take up the method of service and become eligible to return home, back to Godhead, by the mercy of the Lord. In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, this same path is being prescribed and followed. Thus the devotees have been advised to refrain from four sinful activities—illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling—and to chant sixteen rounds a day. These are bona fide instructions. Because in the Western countries constant chanting is not possible, one should not artificially imitate Haridāsa Ṭhākura, but should follow this method. Kṛṣṇa will accept a devotee who strictly follows the regulative principles and the method prescribed in the various books and literatures published by the authorities. The ācārya gives the suitable method for crossing the ocean of nescience by accepting the boat of the Lord’s lotus feet, and if this method is strictly followed, the followers will ultimately reach the destination, by the grace of the Lord. This method is called ācārya-sampradāya. It is therefore said, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ (Padma Purāṇa). The ācārya-sampradāya is strictly bona fide. Therefore one must accept the ācārya-sampradāya; otherwise one’s endeavor will be futile. Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura therefore sings:

tāṅdera caraṇa sevi bhakta sane vāsa
janame janame haya, ei abhilāṣa

One must worship the lotus feet of the ācārya and live within the society of devotees. Then one’s endeavor to cross over nescience will surely be successful.

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In the historical view when we look back at the March 1978 Mayapur GBC announcement of the Zonal Acharya methodology it’s easier to see in hindsight the mistakes that were made. But the same methodology seems to still be in place and the 10.2.31 text and statements seem to contradict exactly the system that is presently being followed. How does the “Acharya-Sampradaya” system and methodology follow what is being followed and authenticated in Iskcon today. How do future candidates worship the lotus feet of the sole founder-acharya, Srila Prabhupada, and follow the “Acharya-Sampradaya” methodology if they have other Diksha Gurus to follow.  Does this not create a conflict of interests? And is it not anti-shastric by accepting two Diksha Gurus? Because the “Acharya-Sampradaya” methodology is exclusively concerned with the Process of Diksha. And the actual text 10.2.31 illustrates that ALL  Sampradaya Acharyas (32) are subjected to this duty.

The concepts I am following for questioning is to understand what transpired when Srila Prabhupada disappeared in 1977. The GBC at that time came up with the question of Succession and Replacement, and a physically present succession at that, the GBC allowed there to be the time ( approx. 4 months) between Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance day (November 14th 1977) and the March 1978 Mayapur festival to deliberate on what the future held for devotees who had been queuing for Initiation from Srila Prabhupada, and future devotees who would never have the chance to meet Srila Prabhupada physically. They said that to be properly Initiated you must have a physically present Diksha Guru. But that seems to be just a theorized concept.

As the onus is on me to present other evidence to attempt to rebut the pre-conceptualized physically present diksha guru theory I have other gems of evidence to prove this. The next evidence is from Elevation to Krishna Consciousness chapter 4.

“This is the last word in prayer. Some people complain that when they pray to God, they do not feel His presence. We should know that this is due to our incapacities, not God’s. There are two conceptions of presence—the physical conception and the vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary, whereas the vibrational conception is eternal. When we enjoy or relish the vibration of Kṛṣṇa’s teachings in Bhagavad-gītā, or when we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, we should know that by those vibrations He is immediately present. He is absolute, and because of this His vibration is just as important as His physical presence. When we feel separation from Kṛṣṇa or the spiritual master, we should just try to remember their words of instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation. Such association with Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master should be association by vibration, not physical presence. That is real association. We put so much stress on seeing, but when Kṛṣṇa was present on this earth, so many people saw Him and did not realize that He is God; so what is the advantage of seeing? By seeing Kṛṣṇa, we will not understand Him, but by listening carefully to His teachings, we can come to the platform of understanding. We can touch Kṛṣṇa immediately by sound vibration; therefore, we should give more stress to the sound vibration of Kṛṣṇa and of the spiritual master—then we’ll feel happy and won’t feel separation.” Excerpted from Elevation to Krishna Consciousness by Srila Prabhupada chapter 4.

Now we should all know what Vani and Vapuh mean and their definitions. But this is a very well-presented definition of what Vani is and what Vapuh is. And these are Srila Prabhupada’s definitions and realizations so we can’t get any better ones. And they are clearly understood.

As we can see from the above the Vani is eternal and the Vapuh temporary therefore we give more stress on the sound vibrational presence. After the Spiritual master has disappeared then we only have the Vani to focus on, and for devotees and candidates who come after Srila Prabhupada has disappeared then they have the “Acharya-Sampradaya” methodology as authenticated in 10.2.31 by Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna. What we tune in on are the points that Srila Prabhupada writes about. He says the association between the devotee and Spiritual master are vibrational presences, and this is real association.

He also says there are two bona fide definitions of presence not one. So, we can find out from 10.2.31 and Elevation to Krishna Consciousness how these fit together for future candidates, for candidates who specifically come after Srila Prabhupada has disappeared. This disappearance is called Aprakata, non-manifest. This means by definition that the Spiritual Master is still present and accessible, and a relationship of Spiritual Master-Disciple is available. So that is the Diksha Guru relationship. The Diksha Guru -Disciple relationship is based on two definitions of presence not one. And both definitions of presence are accessible and available until the non-manifested presence of the Aprakata feature is achieved exclusively. This is exactly what the Acharya-Sampradaya methodology is talking about. Since the Acharya-Sampradaya methodology is talking about Future candidates connecting with an Acharya via His books that He has left behind after He has disappeared it means connecting via His Vani, and that via this methodology the future candidate receives the help of the Acharya and Lord Krishna Himself to go back home back to Godhead.

“, and because You are very merciful to Your other devotees, You accept this method to help them.”10.2.31 Text.

To the part of this text 10.2.31 of the very special benediction included within. That Lord Krishna Himself also accepts this methodology to help His other devotees. This infers the Bhakti-Lata-Bija is transferred by the Acharya via His Vani after He has disappeared. What makes this methodology so relevant is that it is prescribed and followed in Our Krishna Consciousness movement. This illustrates very clearly exceptional circumstances of this arrangement made by the Acharyas in conjunction with Lord Krishna because of the inherent merciful nature of Them. This is relevant because this methodology transpires and dilutes the Institutional and Organizational and Traditional circumstances. It’s almost like this special arrangement is a free ticket that is even beyond the concepts of recommendations, the formalities are superseded. And this is all based on the most inconceivable merciful aspects of the Acharya and Lord Krishna simultaneously to help the future candidates Back to Godhead.

“The ācārya gives the suitable method for crossing the ocean of nescience by accepting the boat of the Lord’s lotus feet, and if this method is strictly followed, the followers will ultimately reach the destination, by the grace of the Lord. This method is called ācārya-sampradāya. One must worship the lotus feet of the ācārya and live within the society of devotees. Then one’s endeavour to cross over nescience will surely be successful.” Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31. Purport by Srila Prabhupada.

And because this methodology is authentically defined by Srila Prabhupada in 10.2.31 it means we follow this methodology in our Krishna Consciousness Movement for future devotees and candidates. This is an exacting proof of evidence in Srila Prabhupada’s Books for what He wanted for the future in Iskcon as the Diksha Guru, the Founder-Acharya and the Current Link. This hopefully directly addresses SDG question concerning what Srila Prabhupada wanted to establish after His disappearance, found within Srila Prabhupada’s Books.

Here, it is also noted that the Acharya-Sampradaya methodology is given to the candidates through the merciful nature of the Acharya and Lord Krishna. There is no question of the Acharya rejecting any candidates who strictly follow because the Acharya and Lord Krishna are merciful, and the Acharya is duty bound to give the methodology. Therefore, the connection to the Acharya is assured via this Acharya-Sampradaya methodology through His Vani, which Srila Prabhupada describes as real association, which is different from that of Vapuh, physical association.

Now, there many more gems of knowledge available in Srila Prabhupada’s Vani but this partial side of knowledge that I have presented in answer to SDG points is dealing with the Diksha Guru side, which is what I think SDG was dealing with in his original questions on the Future. The other parts that I have not covered, and alluded to by SDG is the Initiation side. This whole subject is divided into two components. The receiving of the process of Diksha from the Diksha Guru and next the acceptance of Initiation process of the formality. There is no reason why a candidate accepts Diksha, but does not take Initiation. Taking Initiation is highly recommended but is not an axiomatic integrated part of going Back to Godhead.

Its easy to be in the society or community of devotees and follow the principles directly associated with Diksha. By chanting 16 rounds and following the 4 regulative principles means you have accepted, and you are following Srila Prabhupada’s direct methodology in the Acharya-Sampradaya. This can all be found in Srila Prabhupada’s Books after He has disappeared and via His eternal Vani. However, for Initiation the disciple needs recommendation which he may or may not engage in. If he receives recommendation for Initiation, then the whole style of Ritvik ceremony kicks in. As Initiation is a formality there has to be an ecclesiastical organisation to perform that 1st or 2nd Initiation. But with the knowledge that Srila Prabhupada is the Diksha Guru via His Vani and via the Acharya-Sampradaya methodology. That can all be resolved and referred to in 10.2.31.

And as far as I have found out it appears that the original question in that May 28th, 1977, conversation in Vrindavana that the then GBC members along with SDG asked Srila Prabhupada was not anything connected to the process and relationship of Diksha but exclusively about the Initiation Ceremonies. The original question only concerned the Ceremonies, not the Diksha Guru definition, access to, and availability. However, it must be said that the conversation with Srila Prabhupada on the 28th May 1977 did include the word “Diksha” but it was inappropriately used and was a misunderstanding from H.H.Tamala Krishna Goswami. He was under the impression that the Ritviks, the representatives of the Acharya, were giving the Diksha methodology themselves to the aspiring Initiates, but that was never the case. The Diksha methodology, in this case of using Ritvik representatives, is given by Srila Prabhupada, which is also the case of Acharya-sampradaya. The difference between then and now is the Vani and Vapuh definitions of presence of Srila Prabhupada. On this very point of association and relationship with Srila Prabhupada it appears that the Vani is easier to access, approach and engage with than the Vapuh relationship.  In fact, it was the case that many disciples did not meet Srila Prabhupada at all in His Vapuh presence. And some disciples failed to meet Him. And some were intimidated. But this did not disqualify them from being Srila Prabhupada’s Initiated disciples.

The dynamic of the Ritvik system as presented in the July 9th, 1977, letter to all Iskcon leaderships, the outline of what was defined, is approved by Srila Prabhupada. The whole approach in this letter was dealing with the Initiation ceremony and process.

Of course, that May 28th, 1977, conversation has been transliterated in several different ways. But what was clear was the first original question from SDG as follows.

Satsvarupa: “Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted.”

Prabhupada: “Yes; I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.”

Tamala Krsna: “Is that called ritvik-acharya?”

Prabhupada: “Ritvik yes.”

Excerpted from May 28th, 1977, conversation at Vrindavan illustrating the first original question was exclusively asking about the conducting of Initiation ceremonies. Srila Prabhupada’s direct answer illustrates that He was going to recommend some of His disciples to act as officiating acharyas, which are not related to the giving and receiving of the Diksha process or methodology.

None of this conversation refers to Srila Prabhupada’s definition of “Acharya-sampradaya” methodology from 10.2.31 and the two definitions of the presence of the Spiritual Master as Diksha Guru in Elevation to Krishna Consciousness, both being axiomatic components of the Guru Tattva subject.

AS far as other types of evidence that circumstantially support the Acharya-sampradaya methodology found in Srimad Bhagavatam 10.2.31. there is a mountain especially from Chaitanya Charitamrita Adi Lila Chapter 1 entitled The Spiritual Masters. I think that when we read Adi Lila Chapter 1 in the context of understanding the Acharya-Sampradaya methodology coupled with the two definitions of the Spiritual Masters presence that relate specifically to the Diksha Guru, the correlation becomes substantive and fits in carefully to the holistic Guru Tattva subject. This begins to explain the answer to SDG rhetoric questions. Yes, there are explanations and evidence in Srila Prabhupada’s Books that illustrate what He wanted for Future disciples and candidates after He has disappeared. In the context of 10.2.31 the specific words that Srila Prabhupada writes is aimed solely at Future sincere devotees who will never have the opportunity to meet Him physically, because the text says  “they leave behind on earth the method by which they cross” , for the future devotees and candidates. The phrase “leave behind…..” means they have disappeared, and they have left behind the method for future devotees.

The Acharya-Sampradaya methodology. From Srila Prabhupada’s Books.

Your servant, Dusyanta dasa, in Wales.

PS. This obviously is a condensed version of the Guru Tattva issue, there is so much more information and Transcendental Knowledge. Some of that knowledge is hard to contextualize until we read SB10.2.31 and applying the two presences of the Spiritual master as either the Diksha Guru or as the Shiksha Guru. And here we find one of the most hidden and unexplained and undebated Guru Tattva points viz-a-viz “The Vani presence of the Diksha Guru AFTER He has disappeared” and all the points related to that relationship, and there are many. There is still after all this time (46) years much to explore and debate for Iskcon devotees after 46 years of limited existentialism.

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  1. Mahesh Raja says:

    Dusyanta dasa: As Initiation is a formality there has to be an ecclesiastical organisation to perform that 1st or 2nd Initiation. But with the knowledge that Srila Prabhupada is the Diksha Guru via His Vani and via the Acharya-Sampradaya methodology.

    Mahesh: That Acharya-Sampradaya methodology of 1s and 2nd Initiation is already given in Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 24.330:

    In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaiṣṇava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. He is THEN recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brāhmaṇa.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/24/330

    Note the above usage of words carefully the EXACT words “OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE”. So the question is—– WHO is this REPRESENTATIVE of the Spiritual Master? The answer is VERY clear: “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION:

    77-07-09.All Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
    Letter: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
    Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
    Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, SRILA PRABHUPADA INDICATED THAT SOON HE WOULD APPOINT SOME OF HIS SENIOR DISCIPLES TO ACT AS “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION.

    His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:

    His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
    His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
    His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
    His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
    His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
    His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
    His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
    His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
    His Holiness Harikesa Swami
    His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
    His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari

    In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives ARE NEAREST THEIR TEMPLE. AFTER CONSIDERING THE RECOMMENDATION, THESE REPRESENTATIVES MAY ACCEPT THE DEVOTEE AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA BY GIVING A SPIRITUAL NAME, OR IN THE CASE OF SECOND INITIATION, BY CHANTING ON THE GAYATRI THREAD, JUST AS SRILA PRABHUPADA HAS DONE. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, the above eleven senior devotees ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book

    Note: this brings us to back to the EXACT qualification of the Spiritual Master giving DIKSA (DĪKṢITAḤ) :
    MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA

    MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA-śreṣṭho
    brāhmaṇo vai gurur nṛṇām
    sarveṣām eva lokānām
    asau pūjyo yathā hariḥ
    mahā-kula-prasūto ‘pi
    sarva-yajñeṣu DĪKṢITAḤ
    sahasra-śākhādhyāyī ca
    na guruḥ syād avaiṣṇavaḥ
    The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/24/330

    WHEN ONE HAS ATTAINED THE TOPMOST POSITION OF MAHĀ-BHĀGAVATA, HE IS TO BE ACCEPTED AS A GURU AND WORSHIPED EXACTLY LIKE HARI, THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/cc/madhya/24/330

    Note: no matter HOW one twists, turns, covers-up to AVOID the mention of Ritvik System ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada as per July 9th1977 they WILL fail. Take it for granted, one can give any any name to hide,cover-up the Ritvik Order—- BUT— THIS July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order WILL prevail. Why?
    BECAUSE —–IT IS Srila Prabhupada’s ORDER. Although the clouds sometimes cover-up the sun but we KNOW the sun is present by its source of its heat and light.

    nama om visnu padaya krsna presthaya bhutale 
    srimate bhaktivedanta swamin iti namine
    namaste sarasvate devam gauravani pracarine
    nirvisesa sunyavadi pascatya desa tarine 

    I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, 
    who is very dear to Lord Krsna, having taken shelter at His lotus feet. 

    Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, 
    servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly preaching the message
    of Lord Caitanyadeva and delivering the Western countries, 
    which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.
     
     
    We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.

  2. Balaram das says:

    “The formalities may be slightly changed…” eg ‘Initiation ceremonies’

    SB 4.8.54 Purport:
    Those who are not actually in the line of acaryas, or who personally have no knowledge of how to act in the role of acarya, unnecessarily criticize the activities of the ISKCON movement in countries outside of India. The fact is that such critics cannot do anything personally to spread Krsna consciousness.

    If someone does go and preach, taking all risks and allowing all considerations for time and place, it might be that there are changes in the manner of worship, but that is not at all faulty according to sastra.

    Srimad Viraraghava Acarya, an acarya in the disciplic succession of the Ramanuja-sampradaya, has remarked in his commentary that candalas, or conditioned souls who are born in lower than sudra families, can also be initiated according to circumstances. The formalities may be slightly changed here and there to make them Vaisnavas.

  3. Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

    Of course these 11 predominately ‘gender-inverted’ Freemason fakes have been an ‘irrelevance’ ever since the physical departure of His Divine Grace, so this ‘formality’ of ritvik initiation will need to be carried on by more qualified persons to fulfil Srila Prabhupada’s wishes.

    The ‘tit for tat’ banning of Russian and Ukrainian fake “diksha gooroos” is another example of what a farce ISKCON has become! ALL OF THESE PERSONS : Chaitanya Chandra Charan “das”, Bhakti Vijnana “Swami”, Niranjana “Swami”, Achyuta Priya “das” and Radha Govinda “das” ARE ALL FTM TRANSGENDERS! ALL FEM’-BOYS!

    THESE GENDER-INVERTED FAKE, GURUS AND THEIR ‘PREFERRED’ TRANNY DISCIPLES (THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THEM!) HAVE FLOODED INTO ISKCON! AS THEY HAVE A WARPED NOTION THAT LORD SRI CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU “IS AN ANDROGYNE!”

    • Mahesh Raja says:

      Note: those who deviate should be replaced: Prabhupāda: Anyone who is deviating, he can be replaced.

      Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Of course, if someone has a falldown, just like in the past some GBC men have fallen down…
      Prabhupāda: He should be replaced.
      Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then he should be replaced. But that’s a serious falldown, not some minor discrepancy.
      Prabhupāda: They must be all ideal ācārya-like. In the beginning we have done for working. Now we should be very cautious. Anyone who is deviating, he can be replaced.

      Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1977/may/gbc_meets_with_srila_prabhupada/vrndavana/may/28/1977

      • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

        It is actually Srila Prabhupada (and Prabhupadanugas) that have actually been replaced! and this is an ongoing process as FTM Tamal (and most of the persons in the link) were/are transgendered from birth as this ties into the Freemason transgender (and trans-human) ideology, which is global.

        One at least needs a basic understanding of Freemasonry and the trans-agenda to know what is going on with ISKCON! THIS IS A HIGHLY ORGANIZED CABAL! It is NOT just a handful of rogue individuals!

        • Mahesh Raja says:

          Sudarsana Das Vanacari : It is actually Srila Prabhupada (and Prabhupadanugas) that have actually been replaced!

          Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik System will go on for many generations yet to come AFTER those who put impediments have gone. Those who put impediments by usurping Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position,disciples and properties are GOING TO BECOME “INSECT IN STOOL” . Anti Ritviks are REPLACED for their nefarious deeds from human body—- AND— given lower life forms:

          KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
          At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said: “Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; BUT IF ONE DRINKS THE POISON OF TAKING A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THE MISTAKE. The perfect example was King Nrga. He was very powerful and very pious, but due to the small mistake of unknowingly usurping a brahmana’s cow, he was condemned to the abominable life of a lizard. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; but the arani fire ignited by the spiritual potency of a brahmana can burn to ashes the whole family of a person who provokes such a brahmana.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) “IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER’S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND FOR TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BE SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”
          Lord Krsna continued: “IF SOME FOOLISH KING WHO IS PUFFED UP BY HIS WEALTH, PRESTIGE AND POWER WANTS TO USURP A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT SUCH A KING IS CLEARING HIS PATH TO HELL; HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE HAS TO SUFFER FOR SUCH UNWISE ACTION. IF SOMEONE TAKES AWAY THE PROPERTY OF A VERY LIBERAL BRAHMANA WHO IS ENCUMBERED BY A LARGE DEPENDENT FAMILY, THEN SUCH A USURPER IS PUT INTO THE HELL KNOWN AS KUMBHIPAKA; NOT ONLY IS HE PUT INTO THIS HELL, BUT HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ALSO HAVE TO ACCEPT SUCH A MISERABLE CONDITION OF LIFE. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
          Thus Lord Krsna, who is always engaged in purifying the conditioned living entities, gave instruction not only to His family members and the inhabitants of Dvaraka, but to all the members of human society.

          Note: Just look at their deaths: Tamal Krsna ghostwami – he was in a sumo car which hit a tree and his head went thru windscreen (was covered-up during coffin show (crowned in glass) must have been EXTEREMELY painful. Bhakticaru was in top-notch USA Florida hospital – but – carcass was returned to India. And their followers planted the carcasses to be worshipped. Bhagavad Gita says:…” those in the mode of ignorance worship ghosts and spirits.”

          Men in the mode of goodness worship the demigods; those in the mode of passion worship the demons; and those in the mode of ignorance worship ghosts and spirits.

          Now, it is clearly described here that those who are in the mode of passion worship and create such gods, and those who are in the mode of ignorance, in darkness, worship dead spirits. Sometimes people worship at the tomb of some dead man.

          Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/17/4

          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
          A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.

          72-12-14. Letter: Tusta Krsna
          As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. THEN BOTH OF THEM WILL TO GO TO HELL, LIKE BLIND MEN LEADING THE BLIND.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          Note: those who are supporting the poison gang exploiting devotees—- are NOT getting away:

          …. for after death the result of an action is equally shared by its doer, its director and its supporter.

          “I request all the purehearted demigods, forefathers and saintly persons to support my proposal, for after death the result of an action is equally shared by its doer, its director and its supporter.” (SBhag. 4.21.26)

          • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

            Mahesh Raja Prabhu: Srila Prabhupada’s Ritvik System will go on for many generations yet to come AFTER those who put impediments have gone.

            What you say is true Mahesh Prabhu, but there will be plenty of ‘similar minded’ persons ready to fill their shoes when ‘those who put the impediments’ are gone! This we can already see as Maya is very strong and this world is the realm of the demoniac ….. THIS IS WHERE THEY COME BACK TO AS THEY DESIRE TO LIVE IN A WORLD OF LIES AND DECEPTION AND DUPLICITY.

            We should create our own ground and be more self sufficient, this will create resilience and fulfil Srila Prabhupada’s wish for future generations. ISKCON is a ‘revolving door’, so sincere persons will not stay there for long, and so by having an ‘alternate option, more to Srila Prabhupada’s’ vision’ they will not be left to fend for themselves in the big, bad karmi world.

          • Mahesh Prabhu: Bhakticaru was in top-notch USA Florida hospital – but – carcass was returned to India…

            Add:…after lying in a bodybag in the US for weeks and than another 2 weeks in the heat of a hangar at some Indian airport because it needed special clearance for “Contaminated cargo”. Hm, wonder what happened insight the bodybag, was probably about to start walking by itself. Yep, not much use for the salt anymore.

            *****

            On a more pleasant note. Does anyone know about His Grace Jayananda Prabhus remains?

            • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

              Homosex, millionaire “renunciant” Bhukti C had a severe obstruction of ‘Benjamin Franklins’ (in the hip region) which the doctors “successfully removed” (after open wallet surgery!) but by Lord Krishna’s arrangement, it was placed on a ventilator! At the time of the ‘scamdemic’ massive financial incentives were being offered “to follow concocted and dangerous protocols” and so the rest is ‘history’ and another demon ‘poisoner’ entered the jaws of death!

              I recall saying at the time they put it on a ‘vent’ “It is as good as dead!”, and sure enough they wheeled this dead demon into the morgue! Yes! the balloons were flying! the ‘poppers popping!’ and ‘streamers’ were flying all over the place at my house! .. even cracked open a nice bottle of (non-alchoholic) ‘bubbly!’ Yeh! just like another story from Krishna Book “Krishna Kills The Poisoner Demon!”

              JUST HOW GREAT IS LORD SRI KRISHNA? SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL BE AVENGED!

              This just goes to show that these pretender, scumbag, poisoners are the architects of their own
              descent to the hellish regions and there are thousands of duped, retarded and unfortunate creatures who are as keen as mustard to follow them!

            • Mahesh Raja says:

              Mohini: Add:…after lying in a bodybag in the US for weeks and than another 2 weeks in the heat of a hangar at some Indian airport because it needed special clearance for “Contaminated cargo”. Hm, wonder what happened insight the bodybag, was probably about to start walking by itself. Yep, not much use for the salt anymore.

              Mahesh: Salt also acts as BARRIER for poison giver and supporters rotten planted carcasses— from touching—– the Holy Dham. Lets take a look at how/ where some of these Anti Ritvik characters died:

              1) TKG accident with tree — died far from Holy Dham

              2) Bhakticaru vents hanging in Hospital—died far from Holy Dham

              3) Gopal Krishna —he was taken OUT of Vrindavan —-died far from Holy Dham

              4) Suhotra Swami —Mayapur TOILET, They later changed story said he had bead bags in hand. What????? In Toilet?

              5) Gopipranadhana ( final Srimad Bhagavatam manipulative changes – Partner of Hridayananda) he was found with TOILET door in Vrindavan locked from inside. Later they changed the story.

              So we can see even APPARENTLY in Vrindavan OR Mayapur dham BUT they go to die in TOILET.

              Note: Living in Holy Dham is NOT living in Holy Dham when their ACTUAL consciousness is absorbed in hell (NARAKA):
              710214SB.GOR Lectures
              Therefore those who are sahajiyas, they simply go to the pastimes of Lord Krsna with the gopis. Other things, “Oh, no, no. That is not Krsna’s pastimes. That is not Krsna’s pastimes.” That is, they differentiate the absolute activities of the Absolute. That is called sahajiya. The sahajiyas will never read Bhagavad-gita, will never read. (sarcastic:) Because they have been elevated to the mellows of conjugal love. Therefore they have no interest in Bhagavad-gita. They say… Or when you discuss Srimad-Bhagavatam on the philosophical point, janmady asya, they also do not attend. If you discuss on the philosophy of Upanisad and Vedanta, they’ll not attend. I have seen it. In Radha-kunda, sometime in 1934, my Guru Maharaja was living, and he was discussing Upanisad. He was discussing Upanisad regularly. And the babajis… There are many babajis in Radha-kunda. First of all, they came, that “Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura has come, such a learned scholar and the establisher of Gaudiya Matha.” So out of curiosity they came. And when they saw that he was discussing Upanisad, gradually they stopped coming. SO MY GURU MAHARAJA RECOMMENDED THAT “THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT LIVING IN RADHA-KUNDA. THEY ARE LIVING IN NARAKA-KUNDA.” I HAVE HEARD IT PERSONALLY.

              Note: If one looks at Gaudiya Math folks —-interesting thing was—–nobody even made videos of Narayan Maharaja or Sridhara Swami like we saw Srila Prabhupada surrounded by chanting Hare Krishna.

              • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

                Mahesh Raja Prabhu:

                “So we can see even APPARENTLY in Vrindavan OR Mayapur dham BUT they go to die in TOILET.”
                ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………

                Yes! the soul of demons exit the body through the anus!

                I haven’t researched Gopipranadhan, but Bhukti C was Homosex (not sure if FTM). Suhotra, Tamal and Gopal Krishna I have ‘transvestigated’ and it’s almost certain they were all FTM transgendered (97% 99% and 98% certainty respectively!)

                Krishna Balarama Swami with the long wavy white hair and long white beard, (who said ISKCON tried to poison!) who is brijabasi (and boasts about this!) is also FTM tranny (96% certainty) as was Gaudiya Math’s ”Swami” Bon (who gave trouble to SrilaPrabhupada!

                Most ISKCON Guru’s (GBC, SABHA, etc) are FTM trannys, even the ones in white (who are married to hijras!), BENGAL is still the home of boy-buggerers, shaktas and tantrics! who believe that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was an ANDROGYNE!

                • Mahesh Raja says:

                  Sudarsana Das Vanacari : I haven’t researched Gopipranadhan

                  Mahesh: here is HOW Gopiparanadhana dasa Adhikari, was ALSO the INVOLVED commentator with Hridayananda in MANIPULATING Srimad Bhagavatam:

                  The Case for Blind Uttama-adhikaris

                  BY: MAHESH RAJA

                  Jun 03, 2010 — UK (SUN) — Regarding the Sastric Advisory Council’s Gopiparanadhana dasa Adhikari, he was also the commentator with Hridayananda dasa in their corrupt Srimad Bhagavatam purports. A brief analysis to expose just HOW bogus their ‘sastric’ understanding on the position of uttama-adhikari is, is shown below. It appears they are looking for an EXCUSE to present the bogus GBC rubber-stamped “gurus” as uttama-adhikari — the kind of “uttama-adhikari” that can NOT see Krsna everywhere — to justify their existence. So they have chosen to present Narada, Vyasa and Sukadeva as their example role-models by stating they ALSO cannot be uttama-adhikari, because they cannot see Krsna everywhere.

                  So their TRICK is if Narada, Vyasa and Sukadeva are to be accepted as uttama-adhikari, who they are presuming don’t see Krsna everywhere, then there would be nothing wrong with accepting bogus GBC rubber-stamped “gurus” as uttama-adhikari (who are blind as bats because they DEFINITELY DON’T SEE KRSNA).

                  Good Trick?

                  Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 11, Chapter 2, Text 45:

                  The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust
                  Srimad Bhagavatam Translation and Editorial Board

                  Hridayananda das Goswami
                  Project Director, Translator, Commentator and Editor in Chief

                  Gopiparanadhana das Adhikari
                  Translator, Commentator and Sanskrit Editor

                  Dravida dasa Brahmacari
                  English Editor

                  Hridayananda dasa and Gopiparanadhana dasa’s CRICITICISM AGAINST THE FOLLOWING PURE DEVOTEES:

                  Canto 11, Chapter 2, Text 45 (on page 148), Hridayananda, Gopiparanadhana write:

                  “IF ONLY THOSE WHO CONSTANTLY SEE THE FORM OF KRSNA ARE TO BE CONSIDERED UTTAMA-ADHIKARIS,THEN NARADA, VYASA AND SUKADEVA CANNOT BE CONSIDERED TOPMOST DEVOTEES, SINCE THEY DO NOT ALWAYS SEE THE LORD EVERYWHERE”

                  I have presented the quotes from Srila Prabhupada’s books below, As It Is, and only HIGHLIGHTED particulars. This will enable the reader to compare what Srila Prabhupada writes.

                  Srimad Bhagavatam 4.31.8 Purport – Narada Instructs the Pracetas:

                  “In this verse bhagavan naradah indicates that NARADA IS ALWAYS ABSORBED IN THOUGHTS OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.”

                  Srimad Bhagavatam 1.6.33 – Conversation Between Narada and Vyasadeva:

                  “The Supreme Lord Sri Krsna, whose glories and activities are pleasing to hear, AT ONCE APPEARS ON THE SEAT OF MY HEART, AS IF CALLED FOR, AS SOON AS I BEGIN TO CHANT HIS HOLY ACTIVITIES.”

                  Srimad Bhagavatam 1.6.33 Purport – Conversation Between Narada and Vyasadeva:

                  “The Absolute Personality of Godhead is not different from His transcendental name, form, pastimes and the sound vibrations thereof. As soon as a pure devotee engages himself in the pure devotional service of hearing, chanting and remembering the name, fame and activities of the Lord, at once He becomes visible to the transcendental eyes of the pure devotee by reflecting Himself on the mirror of the heart by spiritual television. Therefore a pure devotee who is related with the Lord in loving transcendental service can experience the presence of the Lord at every moment. It is a natural psychology in every individual case that a person likes to hear and enjoy his personal glories enumerated by others. That is a natural instinct, and the Lord, being also an individual personality like others, is not an exception to this psychology because psychological characteristics visible in the individual souls are but reflections of the same psychology in the Absolute Lord. The only difference is that the Lord is the greatest personality of all and absolute in all His affairs. If, therefore, the Lord is attracted by the pure devotee’s chanting of His glories, there is nothing astonishing. Since He is absolute, He can appear Himself in the picture of His glorification, the two things being identical. Srila Narada chants the glorification of the Lord not for his personal benefit but because the glorifications are identical with the Lord. Narada Muni penetrates into the presence of the Lord by the transcendental chanting.”

                  Srimad Bhagavatam 1.18.16 Purport – Maharaja Pariksit Cursed by a Brahmana Boy:

                  “Maharaja Pariksit was such a maha-bhagavata devotee because he was initiated by a MAHA-BHAGAVATA DEVOTEE, SUKADEVA GOSVAMI.”

                  Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, May 27, 1974, Rome:

                  “So Sukadeva Gosvami learned from his father, VYASADEVA, MAHA-BHAGAVATA, and he realized it, svanubhavam.”

                  Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita, December 6, 1972, Ahmedabad:

                  “So the…, this is the set-up in the first chapter of the Bhagavad-gita. This is the summary. Now sanjaya uvaca. The Sanjaya is speaking to Dhrtarastra. Sanjaya is seeing the battlefield within his heart. That is another television. And by the grace of Vyasadeva, he learned the art, that he advanced… He was so much advanced that the… Just like we see television, relay from the battlefield, and he, Duryodhana, Dhrtarastra was blind. And his secretary, Sanjaya, he was speaking. He was seeing the activities in the battlefield.”

                  Srimad Bhagavatam 2.9.35 Purport – Answers by Citing the Lord’s Version:

                  “Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. The vision of the devotees is not ordinary; it is purified by the process of devotional service. In other words, as the universal elements are both within and without, similarly the Lord’s name, form, quality, pastimes, entourage, etc., as they are described in the revealed scriptures or as performed in the Vaikunthalokas, far, far beyond the material cosmic manifestation, are factually being televised in the heart of the devotee. The man with a poor fund of knowledge cannot understand, although by material science one can see things far away by means of television. Factually, the spiritually developed person is able to have the television of the kingdom of God always reflected within his heart. That is the mystery of knowledge of the Personality of Godhead.”

                  Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 8.274 – Talks Between Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Ramananda Raya:
                  sthavara-jangama dekhe, na dekhe tara murti
                  sarvatra haya nija ista-deva-sphurti

                  SYNONYMS
                  sthavara-jangama–movable and inert; dekhe–he sees; na–not; dekhe–sees; tara–its; murti–form; sarvatra–everywhere; haya–there is; nija–his own; ista-deva–worshipable Lord; sphurti–manifestation.

                  TRANSLATION
                  “The maha-bhagavata, the advanced devotee, certainly sees everything mobile and immobile, but he does not exactly see their forms. Rather, everywhere he immediately sees manifest the form of the Supreme Lord.

                  PURPORT
                  Due to his deep ecstatic love for Krsna, the maha-bhagavata sees Krsna everywhere and nothing else. This is confirmed in the Brahma-samhita (5.38): premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti.

                  As soon as a devotee sees something–be it movable or inert–he immediately remembers Krsna.”

                  In conclusion, Gopiparanadhana dasa and Hridayananda das are conditioned souls. They are NOT fit for giving commentaries on Srimad Bhagavatam.

                  Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, February 16, 1977, Mayapur:

                  Hari-sauri: “That man from Delhi said that he thought you were an incarnation of Vyasadeva.
                  Prabhupada: Yes. Any devotee in literary career, he is to be understood… Just like our Vrndavana dasa Thakura. He is described as incarnation of Vyasadeva because Vyasadeva wrote Bhagavatam and he wrote Caitanya-bhagavata.
                  Pradyumna: Vyasa-puja.
                  Prabhupada: Vyasa-puja. Vyasa-prasadam. Unless one is blessed by Vyasadeva, he cannot write transcendental literature.”

                  His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada is always consulting Krsna

                  Srila Prabhupada Interview, July 14, 1976, New York:

                  Bali-mardana: “In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge.
                  Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
                  Prabhupada: Yes, because a devotee always consults Krsna and He gives order.
                  Interviewer: It’s a more direct communication.
                  Prabhupada: Yes. And He gives order.
                  Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some…
                  Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
                  Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
                  Prabhupada: No, not necessarily, Krsna will tell directly. A devotee always consults Krsna and Krsna tells him, “do like this.” Not figuratively.
                  Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
                  Prabhupada: Everything. Because a devotee does not do anything without consulting Krsna. ”

                  His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada speaks as Krsna speaks.

                  Caitanya-caritamrta Antya 5.71:

                  “One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A spiritually advanced person who acts with authority, as the spiritual master, speaks as the Supreme Personality of Godhead dictates from within. Thus it is not he that is personally speaking. When a pure devotee or spiritual master speaks, what he says should be accepted as having been directly spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the parampara system.”

                  Caitanya-caritamrta Adi 8.39 – The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru:

                  “It is not possible for a common man to write books on bhakti, for his writings will not be effective. He may be a very great scholar and expert in presenting literature in flowery language, but this is not at all helpful in understanding transcendental literature. Even if transcendental literature is written in faulty language, it is acceptable if it is written by a devotee, whereas so-called transcendental literature written by a mundane scholar, even if it is a very highly polished literary presentation, cannot be accepted. The secret in a devotee’s writing is that when he writes about the pastimes of the lord, the lord helps him; he does not write himself. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita (10.10), dadami buddhi-yogam tam yena mam upayanti te. Since a devotee writes in service to the Lord, the Lord from within gives him so much intelligence that he sits down near the Lord and goes on writing books. Krsnadasa Kaviraja gosvami confirms that what Vrndavana dasa Thakura wrote was actually spoken by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and he simply repeated it”.

                  Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam, September 26, 1972, Los Angeles:

                  “So everything is there Srimad-Bhagavatam. That is the topmost knowledge. That is transcendental knowledge. That is not material knowledge. Material knowledge, if you write some book, it has no meaning, because it is defective. But Srimad-Bhagavatam is not ordinary knowledge. It is transcendental knowledge. There is no defect.”

                  https://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-10/editorials6158.htm

  4. Mahesh Raja says:

    Hare Krsna!

    Those who do NOT accept the Ritvik System (July9th 1977) as ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada are called SAHAJIYAS. Sahajiyas take everything CHEAP. This is why they MANUFACTURE their OWN version of Diksa Gurus instead of ACCEPTING the MAHA BHAGAVATA (Uttama Adhikari) Srila Prabhupada:

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    Sahajiya means persons who take things very easily, according to his sense perception, manufactured. They are called sahajiyas.

    72-06-15. Letter: Himavati
    Don’t try to do anything artificially. THAT IS SAHAJIYA, WHICH MEANS A CLASS OF MEN THAT TAKE EVERYTHING VERY CHEAP

    770124r2.bhu Conversations
    Prabhupada: My Guru Maharaja used to say, “When our men will be sahajiya, he will be more dangerous.”

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    Note: Why the ENVIOUS SAHAJIYAS refuse to accept the Ritvik System is because the Ritvik System ORDERED by Srila Prabhupada does NOT allow:
    1) worship of others as current Diksa Gurus in ISKCON except for Srila Prabhupada – this means they can not manufacture their own brand,
    2) ALL the disciples THEREFORE Initiated in the Ritvik System ARE Srila Prabhupada’s. This is a BIG thorn for the ENVIOUS Anti Ritviks because THEY want to be WORSHIPPED and claim the disciples are theirs not Srila Prabhupada’s. In the Bhagavad Gita such people are described as ASURAS (DEMONS):

    TEXT 4

    dambho darpo ‘bhimānaś ca

    krodhaḥ pāruṣyam eva ca

    ajñānaṁ cābhijātasya

    pārtha sampadam āsurīm

    SYNONYMS

    dambhaḥ—pride; darpaḥ—arrogance; abhimānaḥ—conceit; ca—and; krodaḥ—anger; pāruṣyam—harshness; eva—certainly; ca—and; ajñānam—ignorance; ca—and; abhijātasya—one who is born; pārtha—O son of Pṛthā; sampadam—nature; āsurīm—demoniac.

    TRANSLATION

    Arrogance, pride, anger, conceit, harshness and ignorance-these qualities belong to those of demonic nature, O son of Pṛthā.

    PURPORT

    In this verse, the royal road to hell is described. THE DEMONIAC WANT TO MAKE A SHOW OF RELIGION AND ADVANCEMENT IN SPIRITUAL SCIENCE, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES. They are always arrogant or proud in possessing some type of education or so much wealth. THEY DESIRE TO BE WORSHIPED BY OTHERS, AND DEMAND RESPECTABILITY, ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT COMMAND RESPECT. OVER TRIFLES THEY BECOME VERY ANGRY AND SPEAK HARSHLY, NOT GENTLY. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE DONE. THEY DO EVERYTHING WHIMSICALLY, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRE, AND THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY AUTHORITY. These demoniac qualities are taken on by them from the beginning of their bodies in the wombs of their mothers, and as they grow they manifest all these inauspicious qualities.
    Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/16/4

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    Note: even if we consider with some BASIC common-sense DISCIPLES belong to ONE GIVES DISCLIPINE TO THEM:

    Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple

    BY: MAHESH RAJA

    Dec 7, UK (SUN) — One who is accepting discipline from Srila Prabhupada is Srila Prabhupada’s disciple.

    In ISKCON we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive instructions (DISCIPLINE) FROM Srila Prabhupada’s books. Even the most basic discipline, 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Mantra and four Regulative Principles are coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. Common sense — if you ARE being disciplined BY Srila Prabhupada then it follows you ARE Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. How can it be otherwise?

    The MEANING of the word “disciple”

    Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:

    Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
    Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
    Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”

    Discipline comes from Srila Prabhupada. We are actually being disciplined by Srila Prabhupada. It is Srila Prabhupada who has given us the regulative principles of no meat, fish or eggs; no intoxication (including tea and coffee), no illicit sex, and no gambling. It is Srila Prabhupada who has made it a regulative principle for us to chant sixteen rounds on the beads HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE /HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE.

    Srila Prabhupada’s books contain all the instructions, the guidance required for us to get ourselves out of the clutches of the modes of material nature. In fact, Srila Prabhupada is personally present as his books.

    Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1, Text 35:

    “There is NO DIFFERENCE between the spiritual masters instructions and the spiritual master himself.”

    Since the instructions of the spiritual master and the spiritual master are not different, one can be the disciple of Srila Prabhupada by following his discipline and can be considered Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. Another point is he can be considered both direct disciple and not direct simultaneously, because Srila Prabhupada is still present in his instruction form (his books). The following example will illustrate the point.

    Srila Krsnadasa kaviraja is the example of both direct and not direct disciple simultaneously. (THE PHILOSOPHY OF SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND DIFFERENCE).

    Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1:

    “A direct disciple of Srila Rupa Gosvami was Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami, stands as the DIRECT DISCIPLE of Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami. The direct disciple of Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was Srila Narottama dasa Thakura, who accepted Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti as his servitor. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura accepted Srila Jagannatha dasa Babaji, who initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, who in turn initiated Srila Gaurakishore dasa Babaji, the spiritual master of Om Visnupada Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja, the divine master of our humble self. Since we belong to this chain of disciplic succession from Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, this edition of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta will contain nothing newly manufactured by our tiny brains, but only remnants of food originally eaten by the Lord Himself.”

    Caitanya-caritamra, Antya 19.102:

    Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami was not actually a direct disciple of Srila Rupa Gosvami, but he FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS given by Srila Rupa Gosvami in Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. He therefore ACTED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS of Rupa Gosvami and prayed in every chapter for his mercy.

    Who is Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple?

    Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, June 13, 1976, Detroit:

    Prabhupada: “Who is my disciple? First of all let him FOLLOW STRICTLY THE DISCIPLINED RULES.
    Devotee (2): As long as one is following, then he is…
    Prabhupada: Then he is all right.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Bhaktijana, September 21, 1972:

    “You do not require to worry as I shall never leave you, you are my disciple and I am your spiritual master, so there is no question, AS LONG AS you follow my instructions, that I shall ever leave you. Just remember under all circumstances to chant sixteen rounds of japa daily, offer your prasadam to Krsna, and do all of the things which you already know, as you are senior disciple. These things will protect you under all conditions, without any doubt.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Madhudvisa, November 7, 1975:

    “SO LONG AS one follows the principles, he continues to be my disciple.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tusta Krsna, November 9, 1975:

    “SO LONG AS one continues to follow the rules and regulations, he continues to be my disciple wherever he may be.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter, July 9, 1969:

    “Out of the ten kinds of offenses, the number one offense is to disobey the orders of the Spiritual Master. The instructions given to the disciple by the Spiritual Master at the time of initiation should be strictly followed. That will make one advance to the spiritual path. But if one deliberately defies such instructions, then his advancement is hampered from the very beginning. THIS DEFYING MEANS TO DISCONNECT THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ANYONE WHO DEFIES AND THEREFORE DISCONNECTS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SPIRITUAL MASTER can hardly expect the assistance of the Spiritual Master life after life.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Cidananda, November 25, 1973:

    “Please always try to REMEMBER ME BY MY TEACHINGS AND WE SHALL ALWAYS BE TOGETHER. Just like I have written in the first publications of Srimad-Bhagavatam, “The spiritual Master lives forever by His divine instruction and the disciple lives with him.”, because I have always served my Guru Maharaja and followed His teachings I am now even never separated from Him. Sometimes Maya may come and try to interfere but we must not falter, we must always follow the chalked out path layed down by the great acharya’s and in the end you will see.”

    Who is NOT Srila Prabhupada’s disciple?

    Initiation does not bear any meaning

    Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 11, 1970:

    “Regarding your question of an initiated person falling prey to the maya, the answer is that so long we are in this material world, there is always chance of being spoiled by Maya, so we must stick with vow to the Lotus Feet of Krishna. An initiated devotee is given the chance for becoming free from the entanglement of karma wheel. Initiated means beginning, not perfection. The Spiritual Master’s business is to guide him to the perfectional point. But if one does not strictly follow the guidance of a bonafide Spiritual Master HIS INITIATION DOES NOT BEAR ANY MEANING. The initiation performance is an agreement by the disciples to abide by the order of the Spiritual Master. Therefore, if the Spiritual Master is bonafide and the disciple is serious to abide by His order, then the success is sure.”

    Otherwise they are NOT my disciples

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Raja Laksmi, February 17, 1976:

    “My advise is always chant 16 rounds minimum and follow the four regulative principles. All of my disciples must agree on this point OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLES.”

    Against the principle

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Dhrstaketu, July 17, 1976:

    “Unless absolutely necessary, one should keep head shaven and not allow the hair to grow long. If absolutely necessary, one can dress like an American gentleman, with short hair, but long hair is prohibited. The reason that one with long hair is not my disciple is because he is AGAINST THE PRINCIPLE. Unless absolutely necessary one should keep hair short, and if necessary one can dress like an American gentleman with short hair. It is not expected that everyone will join. For that reason we can’t compromise. The tendency is there to be hippy. When the acaryas are seen with beard, that is during Caturmasya, July-September. If observed strictly there is not simply a beard. There are so many rules and regulations. One can’t eat a variety of foods. Only kitri prepared and poured on the floor, and then licked up. There are so many other rules also. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THAT THEY KEPT BEARD.”

    There are many so-called Prabhupada disciples – but only in name. They in fact decline to follow Srila Prabhupada’s discipline hence they are Srila Prabhupada disciples in name only. They show superficial lip service to Srila Prabhupada.

    Disciple in name only

    Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, New York, July 10, 1976:

    Prabhupada: And the Bon Maharaja is his follower. HE’S IN NAME a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, BUT HE’S A SERVANT OF Vivekananda.
    Tamala Krsna: He’s very similar to him.
    Prabhupada: He’s a great appreciator of Vivekananda. He has put in his curriculum Vivekananda philosophy, Gandhi philosophy. Rascal, what philosophy they have got?

    STEALING SRILA PRABHUPADA’S DISCIPLES, HIS PROPERTIES, FOR ONESELF (BECOMING SELF MADE GURU-BY BOGUS GBC APPOINTMENT OF 2/3 MAJORITY VOTES) HAS GRAVE CONSEQUENCES:

    Krsna Book, Chapter 64 – The Story of King Nrga:

    At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said, “Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves as the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana’s property, there is no remedy for the mistake. THE PERFECT EXAMPLE IS KING NRGA. HE WAS VERY POWERFUL AND VERY PIOUS, BUT DUE TO THE SMALL MISTAKE OF UNKNOWINGLY USURPING A BRAHMANA’S COW, HE WAS CONDEMNED TO THE ABOMINABLE LIFE OF A LIZARD. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; BUT THE ARANI FIRE IGNITED BY THE SPIRITUAL POTENCY OF A BRAHMANA CAN BURN TO ASHES THE WHOLE FAMILY OF A PERSON WHO PROVOKES SUCH A BRAHMANA.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) “IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER’S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BECOME SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava, or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”

    Lord Krsna continued: “If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A SERPENT GIVES TROUBLE TO ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or curses you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”

    It has been a common practice among Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers to steal Srila Prabhupada’s disciples by trickery. Sridhara Maharaja and Puri Maharaja are also known to have re-initiated Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Narayana Maharaja is also a culprit in this deplorable un-Vaisnava, offensive, insulting conduct. This act proves they are conditioned souls.

    From the letter below one can see that history repeats itself; because they are conditioned souls they ventured to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. Thus, they were caught out as Srila Prabhupada clearly says of the action: “SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION.”

    Srila Prabhupada Letter to Mukunda, March 26, 1968:

    “In meantime, I have also received one letter which is very depressing from Hrsikesa. I understand that he has been induced by Bon Maharaja to be initiated by him for giving him shelter, and this foolish boy has accepted his inducement. This isn’t very happy news, and I have replied Hrsikesa’s letter in the following words, which please take note, and in the future, we shall be very cautious about them. “My Dear Hrsikesa, Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter of March 14, 1968, and I am greatly surprised. I AM GREATLY SURPRISED FOR BON MAHARAJA’S INITIATING YOU IN SPITE OF HIS KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ALREADY INITIATED BY ME. SO IT IS DELIBERATE TRANSGRESSION OF VAISNAVA ETIQUETTES AND OTHERWISE A DELIBERATE INSULT TO ME. I DO NOT KNOW WHY HE HAS DONE LIKE THIS BUT NO VAISNAVA WILL APPROVE OF THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. I very much appreciate your acknowledgement of my service unto you and you will always have my blessings, BUT YOU MUST KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTEE. A GREAT BLUNDER. I do not wish to discuss on this point more elaborately now, but if you are desirous to know further about it, I shall be glad to give you more enlightenment. Mukunda is not here. He has gone to L.A. Hope you are well.” If Hrsikesa writes you letter I think you may avoid reply. I DO NOT APPROVE BOTH HRSIKESA’S AND BON MAHARAJA’S THIS OFFENSIVE ACTION. Hoping you are both well.”

    In venturing to initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples —they could not even have understood the philosophy properly. As It is clearly stated: A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN. For them to Initiate Srila Prabhupada’s disciples they would be falling into a trap of REJECTING Srila Prabhupada as the Initiating Guru—DIRECT INSULT-committed BOTH by the so-called disciple of Srila Prabhupada and their conditioned soul “gurus”.

    Caitanya-caritamra, Adi 1.35:

    The Spiritual Masters

    “The expert spiritual master knows well how to engage his disciple’s energy in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, and thus he engages a devotee in a specific devotional service according to his special tendency. A DEVOTEE MUST HAVE ONLY ONE INITIATING SPIRITUAL MASTER BECAUSE IN THE SCRIPTURES ACCEPTANCE OF MORE THAN ONE IS ALWAYS FORBIDDEN.”

    ALL GLORIES TO OUR BONAFIDE JAGAT DIKSA
    AND SIKSA GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!

    HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE
    HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

    https://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2265.htm

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    More here:

    ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet
    Reply to Rocana’s article “A Ritvik Smokescreen”
    By Mahesh Raja and Prabhupadanugas

    http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      Transgendered FTM Bon “swami” was the servant of Transgendered FTM Vivekananda as Srila Prabhupada has said, but also FTM Vivekananda was also a Freemason! … SO WE CAN DEDUCT FROM THIS THAT THE ‘SAME THING’ IS GOING ON IN ISKCON! WHY IS “swami’ Bon gender-inverted? …. MOST PROBABLY BECAUSE IT CAME FROM A FREEMASON, GENDER-INVERTED FAMILY!

      IF YOU ARE A SERVANT OF FREEMASONS THEN YOU ARE A SERVANT OF ANDROGYNOUS LUCIFER!

      JAYAPATAKA ALSO ADMITTED (TO HIS BODY-GUARD Nara Narayan Das) HE WAS A FREEMASON!
      This is the Freemasons plan TO HARVEST SOULS FOR LUCIFER!

      Lucifer is also goddess worship, Lucifer is Sofia, but also Isis, Venus, Brittania (UK), Marianne (Fr), Colombia, Ashtoreth, Inanna (Akkadian), Ishtah (Summerian) in the guise of the female but is an androgyne, a succubus …. THE WHORE OF BABYLON!

      Many pictures on the net of FTM Vivekananda IN FREEMASON DRESS! WHY ARE MOST OF THE “LEADERS” IN ISKCON AND GAUDIYA MATH GENDER-INVERTED? IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE SERVANTS OF ‘THE GREAT SINISTER MOVEMENT …… FREEMASONRY!

      THEY ARE A SECRET CABAL WHO HAVE INFILTRATED ISKCON, GAUDIYA MATH (AND EVERYTHING ELSE!). TO HARVEST SOULS FOR LUCIFER! ……. SRILA PRABHUPADA WASN’T A FREEMASON!, SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARAWATI THAKUR PRABHUPADA WASN’T A FREEMASON!, SRILA BHAKTIVINODE THAKUR WASN’T A FREEMASON! SRILA GAURA KISORA DAS BABAJI WASN’T A FREEMASON! THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE! FREEMASONRY FOLLOWS THE KABBALAH! THE KABBALIST DOCTRINE REQUIRES ONE TO HAVE A LIVING RABBI (GURU).

      ISN’T IT CLEAR THAT THESE ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS! MOST SAHAJIYAS (SAD GURU, GAURA GOPAL, JAYA SHETTY, VIVEKANANDA, INDRADYUMNA, RABBI RADHANNATH, BV NARAYAN ARE GENDER-INVERTED FREEMASON SAHAJIYAS! AND YES! THEY ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS! BUT ALSO DUPLICIOUS, ENVIOUS, MENDACIOUS AND EVIL!

      THIS IS ‘THE GREAT SINISTER MOVEMENT!’ WHICH SRILA PRABHULPADA REFERRED TO!

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      They admit to being Freemasons, and Freemasonry was created to promote Kabbalist doctrine of “living guru” and worship of ‘Occult Mysticism’ the Baphomet and Androgyny. So this is the REAL reason why they are ‘anti-ritvik’ and why they put ACBSP after their names, which is another concoction! (even though they do not follow ‘discipline’ of Srila Prabhupada!), which makes their claim of “disciple” NULL AND VOID!

      Srila Prabhupada IS NOT DEAD! as he is on the eternal transcendental platform! … something which is totally bewildering to those rascals and pretenders WHO DO NOT FOLLOW HIS DIVINE INSTRUCTIONS DUE TO THEM BEING SLAVES TO OCCULT-MYSTICISM (WHICH IS MATERIAL AND MUNDANE!).

      Saw a clip of FTM Vaisesika’s “vyasa puja’ of a few years back, where it is sitting on a throne and it’s MTF “drag-queen wife” (also seated on a throne!) is glorifying it’s gender-inverted partner! IT IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ANYONE VOMIT! AND THE MOST UNBELIEVEABLE THING IS ALL OF THESE RETARDED, BRAIN-WASHED MORONS ALL GOING ALONG WITH IT! ONE OF THE MOST CRINGEWORTHY SIGHTS I HAVE EVER WITNESSED! IT IS A JOKE AND A DISGRACE TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!

  5. Nobody gives Śrīla Prabhupāda credit. They all copy Him. But without Śrīla Prabhupāda they have nothing: No place to stay, Nothing to eat, No position, No money, Nobody cheering. They are stupid since they do not understand that what Śrīla Prabhupāda has done is essential for all of human society. These people want to pretend to be something they are not.

    They are playing japanese theatre where no words are spoken and all are hidden under 20kg costumes and 2 inch makeup. This way they can plagiarise Śrīla Prabhupāda and bathe in self-interest whilst the public cheers.

    Only an atheist, who does not believe in life after death, who shrugs off the existence of different hells would be so careless as to do what they are doing and not fear the resulting consequences.

    They do not even understand what makes Śrīla Prabhupāda a Pure Devotee. Otherwise why they keep changing His words?

    I wish more people would be honest and give Śrīla Prabhupāda the due credit, for that is the only way to steer through all this BS Illusion. One who changes Śrīla Prabhupāda’s words is not honest and because they are not honest they cannot be truthful and because they are not truthful they cannot be trusted.

    • Balaram das says:

      The reason the envious cretins do not give credit, is that they have no comprehension of the Divine Nature of His Divine Grace Tridandi Gosvami A C Bhaktivedanta Svami Maharaj Prabhupada, relegating him as a ‘past acarya’.

      They make a mockery of the ‘show’ of Srila Prabhupada’s murti on the Vyasasans, because if they actually knew that Srila Prabhupada is present in his murti, they would then know that His Divine Grace authorized the installation of his murti and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta’s, to accept the millions of disciples he stated he would have, through his system of ‘ritvik- representative of the Acarya’.

      “Srila Prabhupada made it perfectly clear to me that we are not his only disciples. His instruction was, “I have given you everything, don’t change anything… I will have millions of disciples.”.. Cyavana Swami, a very early Srila Prabhupada disciple.

      “After me, there will be no more acarya.” (Conversation, New York, 1968)

      “I will always be the spiritual master for the entire Krishna consciousness movement‐‐for anyone in
      this age willing to follow the principles I have taught for the benefit of everyone.” (Conversation,
      1975, Ookala, Hawaii.)

      “Only Lord Chaitanya can take my place. He will take care of the movement.” (November 2, 1977,
      Vrindaban)

      Ritviks… whoever is closest, if fallen to be removed, more can be added where necessary! Simple for the non-envious!

      BTW, Srila Prabhupada even taught us how to correctly clean our material bodies!

      Yfs, Balaram das

    • KRSNA, The Supreme Personality of Godhead – 1970 Edition > Volume 2 > KB 2-32 / Prayers by the Personified Vedas

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      “The instructions of a pure devotee to his disciple are also very simple. No one feels any difficulty in following in the footsteps of a pure devotee. Anyone who follows in disciplic succession from recognized devotees of the Lord, such as Lord Brahmā, Lord Śiva, the Kumāras, Manu, Kapila, King Prahlāda, King Janaka, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, Yamarāja, etc., very easily finds the door of liberation open. On the other hand, those who are not devotees but are engaged in uncertain processes of self-realization, such as jñāna, yoga and karma, are understood to be still contaminated. Such contaminated persons, although apparently advanced in self-realization, cannot even liberate themselves, not to speak of others who follow them. Such nondevotees are compared to chained animals, for they are not able to go beyond the jurisdiction of the formalities of a certain type of faith. In the Bhagavad-gītā they are condemned as veda-vādaḥ. They cannot understand that the Vedas deal with activities of the material modes of nature–goodness, passion and ignorance.“

      Philosophy of the Idiots:

      Why keep it simple when one can make it complicated? Sounds stupid? It is stupid! When stupid people take over that is what happens and with this incompetence, if not corrected right at the onset, they crash whatever they have undertaken. Business, politics, anything….(as seen vividly all over today)

      This is but another reason why present so–called Iskcon cannot stand at the end of the day. For the ´Free Lunch‘ it has been eaten alive from the inside out.

  6. Mahesh Raja says:

    NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
    The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.

    Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse

    MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
    brahmano vai gurur nrnam
    sarvesam eva lokanam
    asau pujyo yatha harih

    maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
    sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
    sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
    na guruh syad avaisnavah

    ((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.))

    Note: The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.

    75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
    The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.

    “I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)

    “Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
    (28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)

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