John Mize, June 23, 1975, Los Angeles: When the soul was in the spiritual sky, it also had a mind and an intelligence like here?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Yes. Unless he has got mind, how he misuses intelligence?
John Mize: But he misused that intelligence in his freedom, his independence.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Mind is there also. That is spiritual mind. Everything is spiritual. There is nothing material. Body spiritual, mind spiritual, intelligence spiritual, he is spiritual, the land spiritual, water spiritual—everything is spiritual. That is spiritual world. Here in the material world, except the spirit soul, everything is material. And he is encumbered with this material atmosphere by twenty-seven stratas, layers.
The five elements, gross elements, then ten senses, and then three gunas… In this way there are twenty-seven layers. He is within, and he has to be taken out. That is called liberation. Just like if you are covered with twenty-seven layers of dirty things, so it is very difficult position. But there is process to clear the garbage and take him out. That is Krsna conscious movement, to take the soul out of the covering of twenty- seven layers of material atmosphere. That sloka is nasta-prayesu abhadresu: “almost cleansed.” Abhadra, abhadra means dirty things. So this clearing process going on. When it is almost cleansed the man feels, “Oh…” And that process: nityam bhagavata-sevaya [SB 1.2.18], constantly being engaged in the service of Bhagavata, grantha-Bhagavata and the person Bhagavata. Then it will be cleansed. And then, when he comes out, that is brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54], “Oh, I am now free.” Na socati na…, no more lamentation, no more greediness. Everything finished. Then he begins his real business as part and parcel of God. That is perfection.
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