Krishna Balarama Swami’s witness account, how he was to be poisoned by Bhakti Charu
and put to death by Hansadutta fanatics Chakravarti das and his wife (Dinasarana dd)
My Mission (The Tip of the Iceberg)
Original account starts half ways down:
http://archived.krsna.org/MyMission
Krishna Balarama Swami (ACBSP):
People sometimes ask us to write something about our own personal life, so we have decided to include some of this information in this ‘My Mission‘….
When we were in our Guru’s movement, many of our godbrothers became very close friends with us, but when they found that some other godbrothers created problems for us, they immediately turned against us. For example, His Holiness Mahanidhi Swami, His Holiness Jayadvaita Swami, and many others became very bitter with us. Before turmoil began for us, they were very sweet with us and acted as friends and learnt many spiritual secrets and intricate spiritual philosophy, but when they saw we were facing some problem they suddenly turned against us. People with such natures are called artificial spiritualists and are condemned by the Vedic scriptures. The scriptures state that real friends come to aid at the time of difficulty. As it is stated in the Garuda Purana:
Apat-kate tu samprapte yan-mitram mitram eva tat
Brddhi-kale tu samprapte amitro’pi suhrda bhavet
“At the time of facing problems, any friend who remains a friend and comes to the aid of that friend is a real friend. But those who become friends and act as friends only during good times are not real friends because at good times even an enemy begins acting as a friend.”
Just around the time when our godbrothers began giving us problems, we went to see our father in Vrindaban, asking him what will happen to us in the future. As he was a perfect devotee and a realized astrologer as well, he replied, “Don’t worry, you will shine like the sun and there will only be one sun in the sky. Your Guru made only one true disciple who will carry his spiritual legacy further. Your facing problems right now is just to make you become spiritually disciplined and strong for the future. The disciplic succession of your Guru will stay with you. There will always be some people who will desperately act to destroy you, but at that time there will also be some people who will come to your aid and protect you. God will always be on your side, don’t worry.” We have first hand experience that many of his statements have come true.
For example, one time in the early eighties His Holiness Bhakti Charu Swami and Sarvabhavana Das had surprisingly fed us alone and sumptuously, along with sweet rasagullas in their apartment in Calcutta, India. A few hours after eating, we felt like knives were moving around inside our stomach. We were in Calcutta to catch our flight to California. In that condition we reached Berkley, California where we were admitted in the hospital. When we were in the hospital, even after many months and after many tests, the doctors could not find anything wrong in our body.
Seeing our situation, the GBC Guru of the Berkley temple at that time, His Holiness Hansaduta Swami, sent us to the Manila temple in the Philippines where Chakravarti das and his wife (Dinasarana dd) were living. We were very sick. Chakravarti and his wife took us to doctor Baskara and secretly told him to put us to sleep forever. Doctor Baskara, while injecting the lethal drug in us, told us to think about beautiful ocean waves and nice dancing girls on the beach, etc. Chakravarti das and his wife were both present next to our hospital bed in doctor Baskara’s hospital in Manila and were chanting the Hare Krsna Mahamantra loudly. We cannot remember what happened next. But Hansaduta Swami, a GBC leader and Guru for ISKCON, was in California and he phoned His Holiness Svarupa Damodara Swami, another GBC Guru for ISKCON, and told him that Krsna Balaram Swami was dead. Later, when His Holiness Svarupa Damodar Swami met us in Calcutta, India, he was shocked upon seeing that we were alive. He said, “Hansaduta told me that you were dead.”
Lord Krsna had other plans for us, that is why we survived this incident. The statement rakhe hari mare ke, “If Lord Krsna wants to protect someone, then who is there in this world that can kill that person?” is exactly true in our personal experience. Lord Krsna wanted us to work for Him and help in His mission, which is why He kept us alive. Later, we reached Vrindaban where, in due course of time, by consuming Ayurvedic medicines, we were cured. Our whole bodily color was like a yellow squash or the color of yellow lemon for several months. A person from Holland, who was not even a devotee at all, came to our aid in Manila and brought us there to Vrindaban, helping us in every way. This was our firsthand experience that when somebody wants to destroy us, there will always be somebody who wants to protect us.
Once, we were staying in a cabin in the forest of West Virginia, getting ready to publish our Vaisnava Kantha Hara book. One of our Caucasian godbrothers, Sriman Dharma das, was our secretary. Mr. Michael Richardson (now Mukunda das), had just joined us to become a devotee. Suddenly we heard guns shooting towards us. Dharma das became so frightened that he was shaking like a leaf on a tree in the wind. We prayed to Lord Krsna and suddenly Lord Nrsimhadeva came upon Michael Richardson and he ran towards those people who were shooting guns at our cabin, shouting at the top of his lungs, “You want to shoot a Vrajavasi Brahmana Sanyasi?!! You have to shoot me first, then you can shoot him!! You have to kill me first!!” Saying these words, he ran towards them and stopped them from shooting at us. He found out from them that an ISKCON GBC leader, Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu, told them to do this. Later, when we met Rupanuga in their Washington temple, we asked him the reason for him having them shoot guns at us. He replied that he wanted us to be scared and run from there. We told him we did not do anything against him in this life, why did he have to do this? He could not answer this question. Then we told him that this enmity must be from our past life. Hearing this, he put his head down and kept quiet. Devotees should not do such obnoxious deeds as Sriman Rupanuga Prabhu, or those who carried out his orders, did with us. Creating turmoil against another devotee is condemned by Lord Krsna in the twelfth chapter of the Bhagavad Gita. Now, Michael Richardson is spiritually initiated and, no matter what, he will never leave us in his entire life.
What we have mentioned in this “My Mission” is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many similar misbehaviors of ISKCON leaders that we cannot mention them all here. This shows how much envy they carry in their heart for a devotee whom they know is better than them. In our heart, we do not feel like this. Even after experiencing such undesirable treatment from them, we think, ‘they do not know better.’ May the Supreme Lord forgive them. We never think that they are our enemies. We never thought maliciously towards them. Nevertheless, to straighten a bent rod, hammering is required, therefore our statements may seem harsh, but they are just meant to straighten the rod-like people who are bent in the wrong direction by going astray from the spiritual path. Uncle Marich told Ravana, “If a Guru becomes scared of correcting the wrongs of others, he is allowing them to swiftly march to hell.” That is why Lord Krsna used the first word in the Sixteenth Chapter of the Bhagavad Gita, “abhayam”, meaning fearlessness is the quality of a real devotee, who is not afraid of correcting someone, in whatever way it takes, whom he thinks should go to the spiritual world.
One of the main qualities of a real devotee is to forgive and forget the past and carry on with devotional service. Even though we experienced such obnoxious treatment from ISKCON people, we still desire to help them to improve spiritually. Regardless of the scriptural statement, ‘a devotee may forgive one for committed offenses, but Lord Krsna does not,’ I pray for those who knowingly or unknowingly did damage to us that Lord Krsna may forgive them, thinking that Lord Krsna listens to His real devotee’s prayers.
At present, ISKCON has gone astray from the spiritual path. Those who live in ISKCON, those who follow ISKCON, and those who live outside of ISKCON but have an ISKCON style mentality, need to make changes in their spiritual path or else their time spent in the name of spiritual life will have been wasted. At present, ISKCON has gone totally wrong spiritually, including the rtvik section of ISKCON, which we have discussed in one of our previous My Missions. Neither the Gurus nor the disciples of ISKCON can prove that they can go back to Godhead, but we can prove with scriptural evidence that their degradation is certain after their death. So why waste time in the name of spiritual life under such degrading people? ISKCON leaders are determined to remain as they are but those who claim to be smart, sincere, and seriously desire to go back to Godhead should carefully consider changing and take the required necessary steps to obtain liberation from material existence. We are always open to extend our help to the sincere.
Quoted in original from: http://archived.krsna.org/MyMission
BHAKTI CHARU SWAMI IS NOW ANSWERING TO THIS.
Update by Krishna Balaram Swami
Haribol dear devotees and friends,
Today, Thursday July 16th, 2020, Ekadasi, I came to know that my godbrother Bhakti Charu Swami passed away, afflicted with the Coronavirus. Where everybody has to answer for their mistakes, this devotee (Bhakti Charu Swami) is there now answering as to why my Guru Maharaj was poisoned when He was under his personal care. He is also answering as to why he sided against the desire of my Guru Maharaj Srila Prabhupada in his final days when He had asked and insisted to go on Govardhana Parikrama (circumambulation). He is now answering why he sided against Srila Prabhupada’s will. Whatever mistakes we do we have to answer to them, if not here in this world, at least after death, we must answer.
Srila Prabhupada wanted to go do Govardhan Parikrama, but Bhavananda, Jayapataka, Tamal Krsna, Bhakti Charu, and many so-called big devotees all sided against Srila Prabhupada’s last will; while Hansadutta, Chitsukhananda, myself, and some other devotees stood to fulfill Srila Prabhupada’s last will. We all wanted Srila Prabhupada to go to Govardhana and do Parikrama. Srila Prabhupada wanted to go on a bullock cart, not by walking, to do Govardhan Parikrama.
To whomever Bhakti Charu is facing right now, he is also answering as to why he and Sarva Bhavana das poisoned me by feeding me rasagulas (sweet balls) in his room in his apartment in Kolkata. He is surely answering to this as well. He is now answering as to why, after I had collected money for him and brought him out the debt he had, that he together with Sarva Bhavana, fed me rasagula sweet balls alone in their room while talking very nicely so I would not distrust them. I got very sick on that same day, and the next day managed to fly to America and was then in hospitals for six months.
In those days I was working along with Hansadutta in his zone. So when Hansadutta saw me suffering in the hospitals with so much pain and problems and saw how my body had turned into a pale yellow color like a lemon, he decided to send me to the Philippines. Hansadutta then secretly instructed Chakravarti das (a german devotee) and his wife Dinasharanara Dasi, to put me to sleep permanently. The Philippines was Hansadutta’s zone at that time, where Chakravarti and his wife Dinasharana were staying. They are still alive, I believe.
So Chakravarti and Dinasharana took me to a hospital managed by Dr. Baskara, who injected something into my body. I remember how Chakravarti and Dina Sharana were chanting very loudly into my ears as this was happening, and I went unconscious soon after this. When this happened they immediately informed Hansadutta (who was in the USA), who then told Bhakti Swarupa Damodar that Krsna Balaram Swami was now dead. But after some time, I woke up, because by Krsna’s grace, that injection did not work and I survived.
Bhakti Charu is surely answering to all of this now. He is answering why Srila Prabhupada was poisoned when he was taking personal care of Him, and he is also answering why he poisoned a devotee, his godbrother.
We should be careful while doing devotional service, and serve Lord Krsna. A devotee is always careful, always careful, always careful.
Gaura Hari! Jay Sri Radhe!
Servant of the devotees,
Krsna Balaram Swami
From this statement ; ” Regardless of the scriptural statement, ‘a devotee may forgive one for committed offenses, but Lord Krsna does not,’ I pray for those who knowingly or unknowingly did damage to us that Lord Krsna may forgive them, thinking that Lord Krsna listens to His real devotee’s prayers.”
Does these words ” I pray for those …….. ” prove that the maker of the statement is indeed a Devotee ?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this Krishna Balaram Swami sounds like he has the PAD disease. He says:
” As he was a perfect devotee and a realized astrologer as well, he replied, “Don’t worry, you will shine like the sun and there will only be one sun in the sky. Your Guru made only one true disciple who will carry his spiritual legacy further”
I assume he is talking about himself here?
My understanding is that a genuine devotee sees himself as the most fallen and would never think this way.
Perhaps I have misunderstood this article?
Yes agreed Surananda prabhu and also in Srila Prabhupada’s Teachings of Lord Caitanya, he states..
“Lord Caitanya then introduced Candrasekhara and Tapanamisra to Sanatana, and Tapanamisra pleasantly invited Sanatana to dine with him. The Lord requested Candrasekhara to take Sanatana to a barber and make him “gentle”, for Sanatana had grown a long beard which Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not like. He not only asked Candrasekhara to provide Sanatana with a bath and clean shave, but with a change of clothes as well.”
Of course Sanatana had been travelling through the jungles with torn clothing and only his water pot in hand in his determination to meet Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Benares.
Even though his expensive looking clothes are probably washed by servants everyday, I think this ‘sannyasi’ should renounce the big crop of ‘stool’ emanating from the head area.
As far as this personality is concerned (KBS) I can only take such accounts (of poisoning) with a ‘pinch of salt’ (no pun intended!). Not that I find his accusations ‘far fetched’ as the FISKCON leadership were capable of administering poison to Srila Prabhupada (and such accounts came from the very lips of His Divine Grace himself) all CAUGHT ON TAPE! for everyone to hear. The GBC body has made it their “mission” to “poison” EVERYONE ELSE with their book changes, bogus “guru” worship, money screwing, slavery making, philosophical deviation and mendacity.
This (KBS) personality presents himself as the “successor” to Srila Prabhupada and also constantly compares himself to Jesus. His demeanor is full of self praise and sanctimony. When I read his full account (from the first link of the article) It became quite a nauseating experience to swat through it all and I immediately came to the conclusion that this is just another “self proclaiming bogus, corner-shop acharya”.
This also brings me to another point that “The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend!”
Also agree (as with Balaram Prabhu) with your understanding Sundarananda Prabhu that….a genuine devotee sees himself as the most fallen and would never think this way.
If you are running a “corner shop” you have to “advertise” to increase business! But I don’t think he will find many customers on this site!
Vaisnava Dasanudas
This boy seemed to start out nicely in KC, but somehow he too got infected with guruitis. (Must be something in the water!)
Response from Hansadutta Prabhu: I originally brought him to Germany and then America. He became implicated in an illicit sexual affair with one of the women in Berkeley and later on in Malaysia. I did meet his father in Vrindabin…. a strict Devotee, very old living very simply with a cow…… but he told me through his son that “Krishna Balaram ” was a rascal and a cheating person …. The father was very displeased with him.
I don’t know where you got the information in the article you sent but it is so bizarre and absurd.
Chakeavarty was my right-hand man and responsible for helping me publish books in Germany, Yugoslavia and eventually the 30 volume set of Srimad Bhagavatam- one vol Bhagavatam – one Vol CC – Bhagavad Gita in bible paper …..
It seems that this devotee is either become deranged or is deliberately broadcasting crazy dis information- or both…… there are many Devotie’s who can attest to his aberrant activities in the past.
His father was truly unique and a genuine devotee. Without saying directly he more or less disowned him.
Dear Anuttama Budd,
I am an ex-cow eater like you, but at least I believe in the real truth. I am a 63 year old caucasian and a 25-year initiated disciple of His Holiness Krsna Balaram Swami. I have lived with him that long and known him to be so sincere and a real devotee. I also lived for some years in ISKCON, but I have never seen a devotee like this one. For the last 25 years, Swamiji has spoken good things about Hansadutta at least 100 times and he feels obliged towards him and wants to help him spiritually. Swamiji told me that Hansadutta’s men misled him, that is why he ( Hansadutta ) acted in a non-Vaisnava manner. I read your post to Swamiji, and he said that Hansadutta cannot ever say that Swamiji had sex in Berkeley, because Swamiji said he did not have sex. It is so amazing that people in ISKCON wearing devotee dress and chanting Hare Krishna act like a dog’s tail which cannot be straightened, and no matter how much one tries, it goes back to being crooked. Swamiji emphatically says that Hansadutta told Svarupa Damodara Swami that Krsna Balaram Swami is dead, and Swamiji remembers that Chakravarti and his wife were chanting so loudly when the doctor was giving Swamiji a lethal injection. And this is all true, Swamiji said. Mr. Budd, did Hansadutta tell you that Swamiji had sex with any woman in Berkeley? One of Swamiji’s disciples asked one accuser of Swamiji to produce DNA proof when he accused Swamiji of having a half-Indian, half-white child in Los Angeles, or else he would take the accuser to court, and they immediately removed the article from their website because they could not produce the proof. Don’t you think about the legal and spiritual consequences of your statements? Swamiji adamantly says that if Hansadutta told you that Swamiji had sex in Berkeley, Hansadutta is surely going to hell, but honestly Swamiji wants to help Hansadutta spiritually. Swamiji said these devotees are not scared of going to hell, because they do not believe in heaven or hell or devotional service- they want to live only at the cost of others. I spoke to Krsna Balaram Swami, my Guru, about his father disowning him. He said this does not happen in India, what to speak of in Vrindavan and in Brahmana families, who Hansadutta glorifies. If this was so, then why was my Guru, Krsna Balaram Swami, the sole beneficiary of his father’s estate, even though he has other brothers and sisters? Many of my godbrothers met Swamiji’s father and actually stayed in Swamiji’s parents’ house. I myself only had the chance to meet Swamiji’s mother and I was amazed by her Vrindaban pureness. Does this sound like a disowning? You should research your statements before you post them. You are insulting a pure perfect devotee. I have also met a few others from Swamiji’s family and they are the purest, I repeat, the purest devotees in this universe. If only you could fathom the consequences of your post, You will meet Yamaraj and I feel sorry for you when you do. You are shameless, this disease is uncurable. Swamiji said he went to the Berkeley temple on several occasions in the last twenty years, looking for Hansadutta, wanting to help him spiritually. He sincerely desires to help him. He does not live in the past, thinking how he was given a euthanizing injection. He just sincerely wants to spiritually help as a devotee. We as westerners do not know, nor understand real devotees from Vrindavan. Our training is just to commit offense and not be scared of the consequences. That is why I see you as acting like a dog’s tail. I asked Swamiji, does he know you, and he said he does not know you and has not heard of you. Why do you talk about my Guru like this if you don’t personally know Him? Swamiji helped Hansadutta a lot. How much money Swamiji collected for Hansadutta, how many devotees he made for Hansadutta, how many lectures he gave in Hansadutta’s temples, how he kept everyone fired up and organized, ask Hansadutta. He sincerely wants to help Hansadutta.
I am quoting a Vedic verse written by Srila Vyasadeva which should be considered to avoid committing offense, in case you think even in your dreams that Swamiji is mistaken somewhere:
ASAMYATO DVIJAH PUJYO NA CA SUDRO JITENDRIYAH
KO DUSTAM GAM PARITYAJYA DUHYAC CHILAVATIM KHARIM
“Even a Brahmana whose senses are not under control is worshippable, but not a Sudra (low-born) even if his senses are under control. Where in the world is that person who milks a female donkey because she is gentle and leaves a cow because she is naughty and kicks?”
One of Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s favorite disciples, Srila Pabodhananda Sarasvati Thakura, stated the following in his Sri Vrindaban Mahimamrtam:
VARNANAM BRAHMANO GURUH BRAHMANANAM GURU SANYASI
SANYASINAM GURUH AVINASI AVINASINAM GURUH VRAJAVASI
“Traditional and pure Brahmana is the Guru of the four social orders (Brahmanas, Ksatriyas, Vaisyas, and Sudras), the Sanyasi is the Guru of the Brahmanas, the imperishable God is the Guru of the Sanyasis, and the Vrajavasi is the Guru of the imperishable God.”
It is amazing that we claim to be a devotee but we don’t believe the very first offense against the chanting of the holy name, where it says we should not criticize a real devotee who is dedicated to preach Krsna consciousness all over the world, because our background is so bad, we even make up so many bad things against a devotee because we can’t find actual faults in him.
Mukunda Das Prabhu,
From the quote in your writing, I find that there is difference between ;
” A Brahmana and pure Brahmana “.
A Brahmana is known to be born in the caste family of Brahmana whose senses are not under control is worshipable out of the social respect only. That is my understanding of the quote.
You need to write the source of the quote as a reference from which Shastras it comes from to validate it.
Whereas ” A Pure Brahmana ” aka Vaishnava devotee free from all material desire is the Guru of the four social Orders.
That is the difference between the TWO Brahmana.
Now you tell me please that is your guru KBS FREE FROM all Material Desire ?
If yes, why does he not follow the ORDER of his Guru Maharaja Srila Prabhupada who has not authorized any of his disciples to become his successor ?
I hope you take this simple question to your Guru KBS and post his reply asap.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada warned us about offending residents of Vrindabhan. There is a reason for this. All residents of krsna’s manifested resident are to be most respected. I am not a big ISKCON devotee but I was involved in the movement and had the luck to hear and see Srila Prabhupada on several occasions. I’ve I watched and listened to many of His videos and I love My Grandfather Guru very much. I’ve seen His mannerisms and know the way He talks ,and of all devotees I have met only His Holiness Krsna Balaram Swami has these exact mannerisms and way of speech and these traits are most natural.. My Guru is truly Prabhupadas perfect disciple. This is why I came to my Guru to begin with. My Guru has started His own movement.As Srila Prabhupada left his Guru’s movement and started his own movement. He was neither elected or selected by his Guru to be his successor Guru and my Guru followed the similar process. I do not think Lord Krsna or Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu would want Guru succession should stop with Srila Prabhupada. If anyone thinks this way they are offensive because this movement should last for the next ten thousand years.
This is hard for many to understand. Krsna Balaram Swami Maharaj loves His Guru more than most can understand. Just spend some time with Him and you will understand. His love is deep and pure for Srila Prabhupada. I don’t even want to imagine such a question as you have asked, but for your benefit I will only answer this once, without a doubt My Gurudev is pure and without material desires. As I have said My Gurudev is His Guru’s most perfect disciple. Jai Sri Radhe
“He was neither elected or selected by his Guru to be his successor …”
He was ordered which means selected, in this context.
Brahmananda: He’s asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: When my Guru Maharaja ordered me. This is the guru-parampara.
Indian man (1): Did he just…
Prabhupada: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he’s ordered by his guru. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
(Bhagavad-gita 7.2 — October 28, 1975, Nairobi)
Mukunda das : As Srila Prabhupada left his Guru’s movement and started his own movement. He was neither elected or selected by his Guru to be his successor Guru and my Guru followed the similar process.
Mahesh: Bogus!
Read this:
Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975
Brahmānanda: He’s asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: WHEN MY GURU MAHĀRĀJA ORDERED ME. This is the guru-paramparā.
Indian: Did it…
Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. THAT’S ALL. OTHERWISE NOBODY CAN BECOME GURU.
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http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094
Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
Note: MANIPULATIVE SLAVERY MAKING MONEY SCREWING Anti Ritviks make a cunning propaganda that they are Diksa Guru. Our point is WHERE is THAT ORDER from Srila Prabhupada that they have been NAMED as Diksa Guru AFTER 1977?
It was SPECIFICALLY IN 1977 Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order”. The word WHEN signifies FUTURE not PRESENT. What we ALL KNOW is that THIS order was NOT given. All Srila Prabhupada said was “WHEN”. This word “WHEN” does NOT translate to that he IS ordering NOW. “WHEN” means FUTURE. So – it NEVER happened.
ALL Srila Prabhupada did INSTEAD was gave them July 9th 1977 Ritvik Order – THAT IS ALL!!!!! Nothing more.
VERY Simple logic: IF there was an ORDER BEFORE 1977 WHAT was Satsvarupa asking Srila Prabhupada for:PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU’RE NO LONGER WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED.
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Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. THEN OUR NEXT QUESTION CONCERNS
INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU’RE NO LONGER
WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up,
I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
SB 3.15.24 P Description of the Kingdom of God
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE, BUT IN THE HUMAN FORM ONE SHOULD AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF LIFE AND BEGIN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS.
Note: It is NOT possible to go back to Godhead in ONE LIFE this is WHY we chant Janme Janme Prabhu sei — this means Srila Prabhupada is there with us in OTHER LIVES AFTER to finish OUR Jail term in this material world. HOW can one be LIBERATED Maha Bhagavata to deliver OTHERS if he HIMSELF is NOT delivered IN ONE LIFE:
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Devotee: If we don’t finish our Krsna consciousness in this life, how we come in contact with the guru in next life?
Prabhupada: Yes, that arrangement will be done, you go on with your business. We are singing this song daily. Why do you forget? Cakhu-dan dilo jei JANME JANME PRABHU SEI. ONE WHO HAS OPENED THE EYES, HE’LL REMAIN MY MASTER LIFE AFTER LIFE.
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Bhavananda: spiritual master. Then when he reaches a certain point, he lets go. What is? What becomes of Him? He is also Mayavadi.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is Mayavadi philosophy. (break) philosophy, cakhudana dilo yei janme JANME PRABHU SEI. NAROTTAMA DASA THAKURA SINGS THAT, “ONE WHO HAS OPENED MY EYES, MY SPIRITUAL MASTER, HE’S MY FATHER, LIFE AFTER LIFE.” SO HOW HE CAN, HE CAN SAY, “GO AWAY NOW”? THAT IS MAYAVADA PHILOSOPHY.
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. …When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note: The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
Note: what we KNOW is that they were NOT Maha-Bhagavata but CONDITIONED SOULS that is EVEN ADMITTED by Tamal Krsna so they can NOT give Diksa – FACT! this was in 1977 not before. In ADDITION Srila Prabhupada says, “I SHALL SAY, “NOW YOU BECOME ACARYA. YOU BECOME AUTHORIZED”. What we KNOW for a FACT is Srila Prabhupada DID NOT SAY THAT THEY WERE ACARYA.
INSTEAD he gave the Ritvik Order – BAS! That was ALL. COMMON SENSE: HOW can Srila Prabhupada give them Order to be Diksa guru KNOWING for a FACT that they ARE CONDITIONED SOULS. This is WHY we KNOW that they BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada. There is absolutely NO DOUBT that they BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada:
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Prabhupada: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?
Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples,
and it’s clear fact that WE ARE ALL CONDITIONED SOULS, SO WE CANNOT BE GURU.
Maybe one day it may be possible…
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: …but not now.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I SHALL SAY, “NOW YOU BECOME
ACARYA. YOU BECOME AUTHORIZED.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya.
I retire completely. But the training must be complete.
another spiritual master after you?
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Devotee 7: Prabhupada, when you leave this material world, will there be another spiritual master after you? Another pure soul?
Prabhupada: THEN THAT SPIRITUAL MASTER IS KRSNA HIMSELF. There is no need of education. Everyone is free. Everyone is full knowledge. There is no need of spiritual master.
From the year 1966 to 1977, Srila Prabhupada did NOT give ANY order to anyone SPECIFICALLY, “YOU become guru,” so HOW can you say that they are diksa Guru?
*****IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?******
Prabhupada:”WHEN I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)
“Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact. Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.”
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.”
(Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)
Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Further readings:
Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
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mukunda das Prabhu,
As you claim in your writing that you have watched and listened to many of Srila Prabhupada’s Videos, therefore, I ask you which Videos of Srila Prabhupada says this ; “.As Srila Prabhupada left his Guru’s movement and started his own movement.”
Is that your own statement or your guru KBS statement ?
Is that why your guru KBS started his own movement ?
Where does Srila Prabhupada says that Guru succession should stop with Him (Srila Prabhupada ) ?
As you wrote in your comments ; ” This is hard for many to understand. ”
Those who are motivated and thus, avoid accepting Srila Prabhupada’s VANI as it is indeed finds hard for many to understand what Srila Prabhupada instructs in his simple instructions to carry forward Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu’s movement for many Ten thousands of years to come.
Is Srila Prabhupada not present in His VANI ?
You need to remove the hat of your sentiments and start reading and understanding Srila Prabhupada’s VANI first and then, if you have any particular questions, please feel free to write.
Make NO mistake that NO body is offending any body BUT simply speaking in a straight forward manners based on Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
STOP comparing your guru KBS with Srila Prabhupada who started their own movement.
Your guru KBS started his own movement because he is very much desirous for name, fame and status against the instructions of his Guru Maharaja Srila Prabhupada. Your guru KBS denies Srila Prabhupada’s instructions which demands that all his Sanayasi including KBS himself follow Srila Prabhupada VANI. But KBS unfortunately did not follow and start his own movement being the GURU himself. UNbelievable ! That is why your guru KBS has been objected world wide simply defying Srila Prabhupada’s instructions.
Whereas Srila Prabhupada started and established ISKCON world wide very successfully under the guidance and instructions of His Guru Maharaja HDG. Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarsvati Gosvami Thakur.
That is why Srila Prabhupada has been accepted and well regarded world wide without any type of opposition from any one.
That is the difference, mukunda das.
Hope it helps you.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
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